Prof Sebastian Borges:
Therefore only Konkani schools should qualify for grants; I understand that
this is the custom that prevails in the rest of India.
Response:
In Maharashtra even English medium schools get government grants. However,
some years back, the government stopped giving grants
Dear FN,
I do not understand why you want to waste your time in futile discussion on the
motive of a person (neither of us knew personally) for doing a certain thing or
behaving in a certain way. Does it really matter today?
You had asked: Could you enlighten us on why Goembab started by writing
Dear Prof Borges, Thanks for your reply and pointing out to the book.
But, for the purpose of continuing this debate here, what would be
*your* reply? If take the debate from the online world to the printed
page, it wouldn't allow as many to participate. FN
On 5 May 2011 09:57, Sebastian Borges
Admin Noronha is right. Konknni is an Indo-Aryan language. It is also an
Indo-European and Indo-Iranian language because these are the supersets (i.e.
family and group, respectively) from which all Indo-Aryan languages have
descended. In fact, in the study of human cultural evolution Aryans is
Dear Goanneters,
I think that the problem of education has been politicized. 1. Konkani is
the language of Goans, the language of Goa State, it is part and parcel of Goan
identity. Then why grants are given also to regional languages? Why there
should not be only Konkani medium schools, not
So what would have been the language of Goa before the
Indo-Aryan/Indo-European/Indo-Iranian came to hold sway here? FN
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On 6 May 2011 07:07,
On Wed, 4 May 2011 00:43:10 +0530 Frederick Noronha
fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote:
(i) It would be helpful if someone shared this information online.
Maybe on the Shenoy Goembab Wikipedia page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenoi_Goembab
If you can do so, please do. If not, give me
Could someone point out the connection of FN's post with the two that he has
appended thereto? These two posts deal with mothertongue and medium of
instruction at the primary school level; they contain no mention of Indo-Aryan
language, banishment or anything of this sort. And FN's post has no
Konkani if derived from
Sanskrit, is not a an ‘Indo-Aryan’ language. Sanskrit is a ‘Indo-European”
language. :
http://www.indoaryans.org/
http://www.indhistory.com/aryan.html
Unless
one wants to say it has derived from Kannada, Tamil, Malayalam or Telegu.
Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis
http://www.ethnologue.com/show_family.asp?subid=1333-16
and
Konkani
A language of India
ISO 639-3: knn
Population 4,000,000 in India.
Population total all countries: 4,004,490.
Region North and central coastal strip of Maharashtra; Karnataka;
Dadra and Nagar Haveli; Kerala. Also in
On Wed, 4 May 2011 10:31:23 +0400 Eugene Correia eugene.corr...@gmail.com
wrote:
I just went through the Romi Lipient Konknni Boroughchi Promann Rit
(The Stadnard Orthography of Konknni in Roman Script), by Pratap Naik,
S. J., and published by the Dalgado Konknni
Akademi, Ponnji, Goy, in
2010.
On Thu, 05 May 2011 01:49:22 -0700 Frederick Noronha, wrote :
http://www.ethnologue.com/show_family.asp?subid=1333-16
And Konkani A language of India ISO 639-3: knn Population 4,000,000 in
India. Population total all countries: 4,004,490.
Region North and
central coastal strip of
My family in 2010. to the Udentichem Noketr and the word Konkani used
there was Concanim. Many Mumbai-based newspapers also used the word
Concani. It is with the graduation staandardization of the language
that the word Konkani is used. Isn't Konknni used too? The word
Goem was used earlier, but
--- On Tue, 5/3/11, Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote:
Konkani is an Indo-Aryan language. I guess you guys should take your logic
one step further and also work to banish all non-Indo-Aryans
out of Goa! If not, why not? FN
It would be hard to locate any non-Indo-Aryans in
[1] Frederick Noronha wrote: Konkani is an Indo-Aryan language.
RESPONSE: That 'thing' which is being bandied about, especially in the
Catholic churches, as Konkani is NOT a language - it is a awful
sounding nasal dialect of Marathi.
[2] Santosh Helekar wrote: It would be hard to locate any
J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com wrote:
In closing, a question for those who might know the answer: What is
the mother tongue of Goans?
This question has been ducked by the 'paper nationalists' who are
surely smart enough to recognise that there is a follow up
From: goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org
On Behalf Of Sebastian Borges
___
J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com wrote:
In closing, a question for those who might know the answer: What is
the mother tongue of Goans?
This question has been ducked by the 'paper nationalists'
Dear Prof Borges, This is interesting information. Thanks for taking
the trouble to compile it.
If I could add a comment and a query:
(i) It would be helpful if someone shared this information online.
Maybe on the Shenoy Goembab Wikipedia page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenoi_Goembab
If you
Konkani is an Indo-Aryan language. I guess you guys should take your
logic one step further and also work to banish all non-Indo-Aryans
out of Goa! If not, why not? FN
On 3 May 2011 21:10, icso...@bsnl.in wrote:
Dear JC,
You seem to have read my mind. Just yesterday, I have sent to Sunaparant
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Konkani before 1961
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
Shenoi Goembab wrote 7 books in the Roman Script and 22 in
Devanagiri. This included short stories, dramas novels, poetry,
essays, linguistics, philosophy history.
http://en.wikipedia.org
Sebastian Borges wrote:
[1] As often happens, FN has gone off on a handle,
[2] But FN has introduced an unforgiveable untruth into the internet database.
[3] One should not bring in one's ignorance as fact. When unsure, ask!
Dear Prof Borges,
As one who knows very little - in general, I find
Santosh Helekar wrote: The word Concanim is no more accurate than the
word Concani, as far as usage before 1961 is concerned. Both words were
used in the Portuguese language before 1961. For example, a book entitled
Grammatica Da Lingua Concani was published in 1859
RESPONSE:
My dear
noronha goanet
fredericknoro...@gmail.com
Cc: goa...@goanet.org goa...@goanet.org
Sent: Sunday, 1 May 2011 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Konkani before 1961
Sebastian Borges wrote:
[1] As often happens, FN has gone off on a handle,
[2] But FN has introduced an unforgiveable untruth
Dear Prof. Borges,
You are quite correct. Gone off on a handle is indeed not a
recognised expression in the English language, neither is 'went on a
wrong track' (went on THE wrong track).
All this to suggest that we all make errors and we should not IMHO
deem the non-malicious errors of
: [Goanet] Konkani before 1961
Dear Prof. Borges,
You are quite correct. Gone off on a handle is indeed not a
recognised expression in the English language, neither is 'went on a
wrong track' (went on THE wrong track).
All this to suggest that we all make errors and we should not IMHO
deem
On Sun, 1 May 2011 17:43:18 +0530
Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote:
Shenoi Goembab wrote 7 books in the Roman Script and 22 in
Devanagiri. This included short stories, dramas novels, poetry,
essays, linguistics, philosophy history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenoi_Goembab
Sebastian Borges s_m_bor...@yahoo.com wrote:
[1]: Thanks for the corrections. I had in fact typed THE but reasoned
that this would imply yhat only one wrong track was available; hence
changed it to A. But on checking find that neither of these is found
in the book of Idioms that I possess. This
As often happens, FN has gone off on a handle, unnecessarily bringing in
dialect and script when neither Santosh nor Dr. Ferdinando had referred to
these. Moreover, in the Konkani-English dictionary and grammar that Santosh
refers to, the Konkani was written in the Kannada script. Even the
Shenoi Goembab wrote 7 books in the Roman Script and 22 in
Devanagiri. This included short stories, dramas novels, poetry,
essays, linguistics, philosophy history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenoi_Goembab
Please could you give a list of the books, the script and the year of
publication? Many
On 1 May 2011 Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote:
Konkani is another spelling for Concani or more accurately Concanim
(the former probably used more in English usage, and the latter more
in Portugese).
The word Concanim is no more accurate than the word Concani, as far as
There were several Konkani books published much before 1961. The word
Konkani, as opposed to Concani was in use since at least 1882 or 1883 when
Fr. Maffei published a Konkani-English dictionary and a book on Konkani grammar
in Mangalore. The Konkani Bhasha Mandal was founded in Bombay in 1935.
Konkani is another spelling for Concani or more accurately Concanim
(the former probably used more in English usage, and the latter more
in Portugese). If one is referring to different dialects and different
scripts, then that would need to be specified. Even the
Konknni-Konkani-Concani descriptor
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