Trying to send the scans took down Outlook and crashed the computer
(Microsoft is blaming Norton, who's blaming Verizon, who's blaming
Microsoft, and so on). Everything is restored except for a few e-mails.
We're going to do this the old-fashioned way. If you want the scans,
send me your
Had a quick peek- looks like the blue front is a wide ribbon tracing an
ascending figure 8 path, with a bit of ease to make it look puffy, or
maybe it is lightly stuffed after/as it is sewn down? Mostly a guess on my
part- this dress is _so_ not my period.
HTH, Betsy
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She has the same shape my dolly does when i have the wheel farthingale and
outfit on her. I think it's just the style of the underpinnings
Kelly
An insolent reply from a polite person is a bad sign.
Hippocrates (c.460-c.370 bc), Greek physician
From: Saragrace Knauf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It looks to me like a stomacher, with the blue ribbon as an applied
decoration. The ribbon is not functional. The gown closes by
pinning it to the stomacher, and the ruching would hide the pins
nicely.
So to construct it, make a stomacher and noodle around with the
ribbon until it
Dear Helen/Aidan,
I would love any scans of the early 1800's.
I am sorry for your computer problems. I had a bout myself what with Norton
stashing emails in a previously undiscovered folder, and an ink cartridge
that insists that it's been improperly installed. Computers...they should
all be
She is not pregnant, as Kipar says, i have also seen many many fotos with
this fashion. It is simply the look wich was fashionable then.
Bjarne
I just sat down to start drafting the underpinnings for this gown
Hi,
Its the stomacher wich is unususually in shape, its longated with shaping to
lie over a padded roll wich goes all way round the waist.
Bjarne
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Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 2:41 AM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gack!
Quoting Carolyn Kayta Barrows [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Do you think she is pregnant?
Seems a little low for pregnancy.
I'd say she wasn't.
Since it might be useful to compare to a pregnant woman .
Here's a painting that's just a tad earlier where Margharite *is* pregnant
Hi
I think its just the ribbon wich has ben cut to pieces, then the ends is
turned back and its stitched in the middle of the ribbon to the stomacher.
Interresting with that blue collour!
Bjarne
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It could be that the wearer is pregnant and it looks like the stomacher
and maybe the bodice is cut to allow this. Probably laced so, which the
surcoat would cover any gaps in the stomacher/bodice lacing. Or it could
be she is wearing the latest fad in stomachers. During the 15th century,
there
Hi Helen/Aiden,
Yes, I agree with Marjorie on the computer stuff. Working from one
platform to another is often frustrating.
My first question when I read your message was, does she need postage. Do you?
My address:
Lynn Downward
442-48th Street #B
Oakland, CA 94609
On 12/13/06, Gilbert
Thank you, everyone. I had a brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] and said plastron and not
stomacher.
:P I think the ribbon in figure eights is what it probably is.
Bjarne, here is a painting of the woman's husband in the same blue.
http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/l/p-liotard3.htm
They're Swiss, so the
Hi,
I dunno about being pregnant. She has too long of a straight torso in
my opinion.
I am 7 months pregnant now... My roundness starts much higher under my
bosom than this ladies roundness
It could be my short body type... But I vote that this is the way the
long bodice is laying over the
Hi again,
His shirt buttons are even more interresting to me. Its dorset buttons (
linnen thread buttons). Wich i have on mine two.
Could this collour be a trick for the pastel collours. Its just the same
blue as the wifes, and its a very vivid blue.
Bjarne
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From:
Another portrait, similar in style, but a little later, She has the same
kind of bodice-peplum and stomacher, but the roll is not as big as the other
one posted. This is a replika from a larger portrait, where she is with 3 of
her daughters and a son, the girls wear same type of dress as the
On 12/13/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Another portrait, similar in style, but a little later, She has the same
kind of bodice-peplum and stomacher, but the roll is not as big as the
other
one posted. This is a replika from a larger portrait, where she is with 3
of
her
Hi Alex
Are you sure its the same picture?
I know a certain portrait from same period where the girls are holding dolls
in their hands, but its not the same portrait.
In this portrait they have no dolls.
http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/kirstenmunk.htm
Bjarne
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From:
It wasn't a painting that I was thinking of, but the so called fashion doll
in QEWU that I was thinking to be credited to one of Christian's daughters,
dated about 1598 iirc. I'll have to go look at that again, because if this
portrait is dated to 1620, then it's not these girl's toy... Maybe
I spent a space of time this AM trying again to grapple with the
problem...with QEWU and Hunnisette open before me...and the doll/maninqin
with the garment pieces . I understand what you suggest about the idea of
an open sleeveless robe. This was my first idea. After reading Hunnisette
and her
Hi Penny--
If you contact the publisher (Fairchild) and you are using the book as a
class text, they will send you the instructors CD and Quiz book. Most people
don't know about them, but I am here in NYC the Land of Fashion.
Periodically the publishers do a book fair at our school.
Monica
Watch? Isn't that a miniature (portrait)?
--Ruth Anne
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From: otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Dec 13, 2006 12:28 PM
To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [h-cost] construction ?
Thank you, everyone. I had a brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] and said plastron and
Re the possible use of a white gown (or parts) over red, Hunnisette does
give this as one explanation in her discussion of making this gown up for
ERI. For myself. I haven't seen any color copy that has the proper
resolution to make this same theory. I have been working with all the
photos
Someone mentioned that they knew they were tired when they thought the portrait
bracelet was a Mickey Mouse watch.
De
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Watch? Isn't that a miniature (portrait)?
--Ruth Anne
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They're Swiss, so the watch humor was even more humorous to me. :)
The period is just a passing interest so I don't know much about it but I
think I have seen this bright of blue in either an embroidery piece or a
piece of material from roughly that period but I can't remember where or
when. I have been focusing on ceramics of late and when searching the web I
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