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I know it's naalbinding/nalbinding but did not know what the Coptics called
it so I did not want to call it naalbinding. I guess I could have said a
form of needle knitting that the Scandinavians refer to as naalbinding :)
De
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The Coptic's had a form of needle
At 12:04 PM 1/2/2007, you wrote:
The Coptic's had a form of needle knitting and to my understanding a form of
macramé' was known in Egypt. They also knew how to dye their fabrics.
This is a start.
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/fabrics.htm
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I'm late checking my email. I would love to have any books that needs a
good home especially garments from the 15th century up.
Lady Von
Hope I am not to late!
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From: Helen Pinto
To: Historical Costume
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 11:18 PM
See, for me, it wouldn't have been convincing at all, given the (to me)
obvious visual clues. We'll all pick up on different things, depending on
our levels of interest/expertise, etc. I'm betting that most people in the
intended audience of the movies discussed earlier in the thread would have
In a message dated 1/2/2007 3:09:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What makes you think that they were so primitive as to not know how to dye
fabrics?
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I don't think that is what the poster meant. I think it was a reference to
all the white
On Jan 2, 2007, at 5:00 AM, Sue Clemenger wrote:
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] movie costumes
In the one about Joseph, Potiphar and his wife look fantastic! If I
remembershe was in
Did I *ever* say, or intimate that Egyptians were primitive? Huh? Wherever
did you get *that* idea? I asked if there was any evidence of *linens* being
dyed *at that time.* Linens are notoriously difficult to dye using natural
dyes.
Good grief.
--Sue
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From:
Two programmes on British TV over Christmas showed Victorian brides in
sleeveless dresses. One was the film of Nicholas Nickleby, the other a
version of Dracula. Dammit, you wear DAY clothes to a wedding! (or used to.)
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century reenactor
What is the correct name of the medieval hat commonly referred to as the coffee
filter hat? It looks like a sailor's hat without any crown and usually
involves a chin strap and a hair net.
I finished one over the holidays. Looks pretty good but I don't know what to
call it so I can turn it
Nalbinding, the sort that looks like crossed-loop
knitting, can be told from knitting by the way it
increases and decreases.
Dorothy Burnham wrote an excellent article where she
analyzed 'ancient Egyptian knitting' and traced the
thread path to prove all extant pieces she analyzed to
be
You mean nalbinding? I don't believe there's any evidence of it being used
for larger items of clothing, such as dresses. I know of socks, and a hat.
No dresses.
--Sue
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From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
barbette and fillet?
In a message dated 03/01/2007 14:24:07 GMT Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 16:47:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [h-cost] name of a hat?
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DunnoI've always heard them referred to in informal terms--coffee filter
hat, pie-crust hat, etc., depending on the particular style. You might look
at the hat section in Cynthia Virtue's website--I recall seeing hat-ish
stuff there in the past.
--Sue
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From: Julie
When did this evidence about Egyptian beaded net dresses surface? I
never heard of it before nor is it in my old costume history books.
It's been decades since I studied the history of costume, but since I'm
going to be teaching it this January I'd really like to keep up on
recent
A beaded/netted overgown? How cool is that? ;o) I hadn't heard of that
intriguing garment, so thanks to you and the other poster who mentioned it.
I can see now why the designers of AlbertCat's movie might have tried to
imitate it.
--Sue
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From: Heather Rose Jones
I have a question for you 19th century types, born out of completely idle
curiosity. This Christmas, I was given a lovely bracelet comprising
different buttons from the 1870s. They are all about 1/2 inch in diameter,
and have surprisingly complex and lovely designs in them. They are made of
cut
Having been up for 5 minutes, my brain isn't working yet, but you might
google 'Cynthia Virtue website'--she has a bunch of info on them and
other period hats, incl. how to make them.
Arlys
On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 16:47:34 -0800 (PST) Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
What is the correct name of the
These sound like typical bodice buttons for a woman's dress. And there wold
have been a lot of them used--think of a row of small buttons all down the
front.
A Victorian bodice was a substantial garment, with at least 2 layers of
fabric, plus boning.
Wish I had the button jar your bracelet came
In a message dated 1/3/2007 9:17:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
have a Metropolitan Museum of
Art Bulletin from back in the days when they sent members these glossy
books every quarter. It's from the costume collection and contains large,
high-quality
There is one at the MFA in Boston, it was conserved several years ago,
when I worked there or just before. I might have a picture somewhere
in an old bulletin. It was beautiful beads in blues mostly as I
recall.
Katy
On 1/3/07, Sylvia Rognstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When did this evidence
In a message dated 1/3/2007 10:16:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A beaded/netted overgown? How cool is that? ;o)
***
I thought so. I mean it's better than Liz Taylor or Claudette Colbert
[though their costumes for their Cleopatras have their own
In a message dated 1/3/2007 10:22:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What on earth would something like that have been used on? The garment
fabric would have to be pretty substantial to not deform or tear from the
weight
They might go down the front of one of
In addition to other comments:
I've also found these buttons on garments made of lighter weight fabrics such
as
silk tafffeta. In many instances, the buttons are not sewn on. The shank is
inserted through a hand-sewn eyelet and the button is secured on the wrong side
with a clip, a long piece
I got an answer from Cynthia herself on the Milliner's list:
Heh. I think that one is my fault, at least partially. They really do
look like coffee filters, don't they?
Fillet is one term, toque is good if you subscribe to the closed-top
version, and I don't know what the medievals
Hi and we want to wish you all the very, very best for the New Year!
I thought of you specifically Bjarne, but I don't doubt there's enough people
on this list who will appreciate these too!
http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_80.htm
Chris R.
As for historical costumes
The catalogue is gone, but if you send me your mailing address, I'll send
you a CD-Rom of the scans of all the pages.
-Helen/Aidan
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From: Voncile W. Dudley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12,
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From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2007 OT on this subject
Hi and we want to wish you all the very, very best for the New Year!
I thought of you specifically
Just went and checked and it is a barbette and fillet - the round bit with
no crown being the barbette, and the fillet being the bit that goes under the
chin (although have seen them without that in pics).
don't have any nfo on what the hair net part is called though.
debs
Might it be a toque?
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Oh Jeeze, eh? Thats the knit thing you wear on your head in Canada eh? (pass
the back bacon...) ;0)
Sheridan in 'Northern' Ontario...
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/01/03 Wed AM 11:03:26 EST
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [h-cost] name of a hat?
Might it be a toque?
I think the chin-strap is a barbette, the hat part is a fillet the
net, a caul.
Patty
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Julie
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:48 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [h-cost] name of a hat?
What is the
I suppose this is going to be a Rorshach -- I don't see an angel with
a gun, but a spotted dog standing guard (the structure being dog
house/guard house?) with a gun. But then, one man's angel could be
another woman's spotted dog, I suppose...
Lauren M. Walker
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Jan 3,
Mine was a simple question. How I read your question, it seemed to imply
that you did not think that they were capable of dyeing fabric during that
era, thus it seemed to me to imply primitive. Perhaps I should have used the
word ignorant or something better to ask why you thought the Egyptians
It looks to me like a border guard or castle guard at a small
guardhouse. Lovely helmet. Halt!
Happy new year, everyone!
--Ruth Anne Baumgartner
scholar gypsy and amateur costumer
On Jan 3, 2007, at 3:12 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote:
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In a message dated 1/3/2007 11:33:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This technique provides much more support and less
strain on the bodice.
Not to mention easy removal for the cleaning of the garment. And easy
replacement.
debs wrote:
don't have any nfo on what the hair net part is called though.
Probably crespine.
-Helen/Aidan
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Wouldn't barbette be derived from the root meaning beard and
therefore logically be the part that goes under the chin?
--Ruth Anne
On Jan 3, 2007, at 10:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just went and checked and it is a barbette and fillet - the round
bit with
no crown being the barbette,
Greetings--
Julie wrote:
I got an answer from Cynthia herself on the Milliner's list:
Heh. I think that one is my fault, at least partially. They really do
look like coffee filters, don't they?
Fillet is one term, toque is good if you subscribe to the closed-top
version, and I
Nice!
short version of url
http://tinyurl.com/ydjm4p
De
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This might help...
http://www.petrie.ucl.ac.uk/detail/details/index_no_login.php?objectid=UC177
43accesscheck=%2Fdetail%2Fdetails%2Findex.php
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My package from Diane arrived today! She sent me a nice pair of scrubby gloves
which will be great for getting rid of dry winter skin, several candles which I
love, a small spiral notebook, two foot-fizzers for sore feet, a small
pincushion, and a string of rice pearls and some beading
I agree, I couldn't quite figure it out myself, but for such small work and
with chenille thread...Yikes!
I love this site and go there to drool often! Someday maybe I'll treat
myself to something too...after I win the lottery ;)
Lauren Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I suppose this
On Jan 3, 2007, at 7:24 AM, Sue Clemenger wrote:
A beaded/netted overgown? How cool is that? ;o) I hadn't heard of that
intriguing garment, so thanks to you and the other poster who
mentioned it.
I can see now why the designers of AlbertCat's movie might have
tried to
imitate it.
--Sue
On Jan 3, 2007, at 7:16 AM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote:
When did this evidence about Egyptian beaded net dresses surface?
I never heard of it before nor is it in my old costume history
books. It's been decades since I studied the history of costume,
but since I'm going to be teaching it this
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 10:16 am, Sylvia Rognstad wrote:
When did this evidence about Egyptian beaded net dresses surface? I
never heard of it before nor is it in my old costume history books.
It's been decades since I studied the history of costume, but since I'm
going to be teaching it
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 9:34 pm, Heather Rose Jones wrote:
On Jan 3, 2007, at 7:24 AM, Sue Clemenger wrote:
A beaded/netted overgown? How cool is that? ;o) I hadn't heard of that
intriguing garment, so thanks to you and the other poster who
mentioned it.
I can see now why the
Helen/Aidan, I happily received the CD-ROM just after Christmas!
Thank you for the disc!
Happy Happy dance...
Elena/Gia
-- Original message --
From: Helen Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The catalogue is gone, but if you send me your mailing address, I'll send
you a
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 10:19 pm, Sylvia Rognstad wrote:
Funny you should mention that book. I just so happen to have made a
photocopy on it in its entirety when I ran across it for the first time
a few years ago in a small town library. Since it was written in 1920,
I've wondered ever
You may want to check the Cambridge online resources. I seem to remember
that they had a few publications covering Mesopotamian textile impressions
and some possible textile items.
When I was in college oh low those many years ago one of the classes that
was required for my degree was one
Katy,
I am coming in late on the topic. Is this a 1920s Egyptian style beaded
gown? Those were fashionable then. I haven't seen an ancient Egyptian
beaded dress.
I couldn't get this webpage link to work:
http://www.thekeep.org/~kunoichi/kunoichi/themestream/sexuality.html
Penny Ladnier,
Two programmes on British TV over Christmas showed Victorian
brides in sleeveless dresses. One was the film of Nicholas
Nickleby, the other a version of Dracula. Dammit, you wear
DAY clothes to a wedding! (or used to.)
I thought that too, however in my most recent research project
Okay, I caught up on the topic... I'm sorry for my stupid question.
I am wondering if these Egyptian dresses that were found in the 1920s were
what made beaded dresses in the 1920s so fashionable. From my research,
they appear in fashion around the same time as the dates of the beaded
Two programmes on British TV over Christmas showed Victorian
brides in sleeveless dresses. One was the film of Nicholas
Nickleby, the other a version of Dracula. Dammit, you wear
DAY clothes to a wedding! (or used to.)
I thought that too, however in my most recent research project
I have a question for you 19th century types, born out of
completely idle curiosity. This Christmas, I was given a
lovely bracelet comprising different buttons from the 1870s.
They are all about 1/2 inch in diameter, and have
surprisingly complex and lovely designs in them. They are
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