Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress

2009-05-27 Thread Sharon Collier
Thank you. Very interesting. Looks like what I want is a caul with a decorated billiment. Does that sound like what they were wearing in 1570's? -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Jane Stockton Sent: Tuesday, May 26,

Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress

2009-05-27 Thread Melanie Schuessler
On May 27, 2009, at 2:59 AM, Sharon Collier wrote: Thank you. Very interesting. Looks like what I want is a caul with a decorated billiment. Does that sound like what they were wearing in 1570's? A caul on its own is more likely. Billiments generally appeared on the front of French

Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress

2009-05-27 Thread Cynthia J Ley
Try googling Elizabethan geek She's got a great website. Arlys On Tue, 26 May 2009 16:37:18 -0700 Sharon Collier sha...@collierfam.com writes: I am looking for a picture or instructions for a late Elizabethan headdress. I do not want the French hood that covers the ears, rather I am

[h-cost] question re: headkerchiefs

2009-05-27 Thread Cynthia J Ley
Hi all. My SCA persona's appr. time is 1312, England. A few months ago, I got my very long hair cut short; love it--no regrets. Made a sizable donation to Locks of Love, a charity I would encourage you to consider if you are getting your long hair cut. Anyway, the problem: My hair is

Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress

2009-05-27 Thread Susan Farmer
On May 27, 2009, at 2:59 AM, Sharon Collier wrote: Thank you. Very interesting. Looks like what I want is a caul with a decorated billiment. Does that sound like what they were wearing in 1570's? Have you looked here yet? http://www.extremecostuming.com/articles/howtowearthecoif.html

Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress

2009-05-27 Thread Melanie Schuessler
While I agree with Laura on how coifs were probably worn, there is some debate about who would have worn them and under what circumstances. In the 1570s, coifs were probably worn in public mostly by the middle and lower classes, not by the upper and noble classes. The very fancy ones

Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress

2009-05-27 Thread Sharon Collier
Yes, that looks very much like what I want to make. Is it a flat piece, like a french hood, or a decorated roll? -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sagittarius Uisce Beatha Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 7:30 PM To:

Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress

2009-05-27 Thread Alexandria Doyle
Just to make sure I understand this, there is a difference between coif and caul, isn't there? I've always thought the coif was the embroider (or not) little hat item that covers the top, side and back of the head, basically a shaped folded piece of cloth. A caul was more of a cap worn on the

Re: [h-cost] question re: headkerchiefs

2009-05-27 Thread Anne
Could you describe more fully what you are terming a coif and a headkerchief? The classic style for early 1300s is with the hair in knobs, loops or columns at the temples, with one piece of cloth (wimple?) round the throat, under the chin and pulled up to the temples and another (veil?)

Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress

2009-05-27 Thread Sharon Collier
I was going to make a caul, but was looking for something different to go over/with it, hence the decorated roll/billiment/whatever. I had a hat before, but found that it gets really hot, so was hoping to find something less. Sharon -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com

Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress

2009-05-27 Thread Sagittarius Uisce Beatha
From my understanding, it's constructed like a french hood except the base doesn't cover the ears but sits more like a headband with the crescent sitting on top. http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/270/Elizabeth-I-of-England-The-Darnley-Portrait-kings-and-queens-2710388-800-1170.jpg, If

Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress

2009-05-27 Thread Sagittarius Uisce Beatha
I think a caul would work with the later period french hood/billiment, especially in the heat. On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Sharon Collier sha...@collierfam.comwrote: I was going to make a caul, but was looking for something different to go over/with it, hence the decorated

Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress

2009-05-27 Thread Melanie Schuessler
On May 27, 2009, at 2:00 PM, Alexandria Doyle wrote: Just to make sure I understand this, there is a difference between coif and caul, isn't there? Yes. At least modern people make a distinction. I've always thought the coif was the embroider (or not) little hat item that covers the top,

Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress

2009-05-27 Thread Melanie Schuessler
It might be cooler, but if you are concerned with historical accuracy, be aware that this is a modern hybrid and not a historical style. What about putting a veil over it, as Elizabeth did? Melanie Schuessler On May 27, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Sagittarius Uisce Beatha wrote: I think a caul

Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress

2009-05-27 Thread Sagittarius Uisce Beatha
I'm going by what it looks like to me. http://elizabethangeek.com/costumereview/images/13.jpg in that picture the back shape looks like the QEI picture except this one covers the ears. According to the site that you just linked me to, it says later period french hoods are more often referred to as

Re: [h-cost] question re: headkerchiefs

2009-05-27 Thread Cynthia J Ley
On Wed, 27 May 2009 19:10:45 +0100 Anne anne.montgome...@googlemail.com writes: Could you describe more fully what you are terming a coif and a headkerchief? You bet! :-) Coif--the ubiquitous little cap-like thing everyone wore. Headkerchief--I suppose we'ld call them scarves nowadays. Take

Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress

2009-05-27 Thread Melanie Schuessler
On May 27, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Sagittarius Uisce Beatha wrote: I'm going by what it looks like to me. http://elizabethangeek.com/costumereview/images/13.jpg in that picture the back shape looks like the QEI picture except this one covers the ears. According to the site that you just linked me

Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress

2009-05-27 Thread Sharon Collier
What would the veil be made of? Silk? Linen? And what color? Sharon -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Melanie Schuessler Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:51 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] late

Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress

2009-05-27 Thread Sharon Collier
In the second picture, I don't see any type of veiling hanging from the back. Do you think it was a caul or just that the veil can't be seen? Sharon -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sagittarius Uisce Beatha Sent: