Re: [h-cost] Re Brocade

2010-05-13 Thread Zuzana Kraemerova
Hi Sharon, Thanks! Yes we post to Australia. Then shipping would range from $20 to $30 per package. Sadly our system does not really work in English yet (you cannot place an order through the shopping cart), but we do all international orders through email. As I said, this should be fixed

Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint

2010-05-13 Thread Zuzana Kraemerova
I would be happy too! Please tell your friend my email. I would really like to contact the woman that did all the work. i know these people are always very nice and helpful because finally there is someone who appreciates what they have done. I have been very sucessful with karen Christie, who

[h-cost] Fees for use of images

2010-05-13 Thread AnnBWass
In a message dated 5/12/2010 7:05:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sha...@collierfam.com writes: Out of curiosity, how much might a copyright holder charge for permission to do this? That depends entirely on the copyright holder. Some might actually be gracious and not charge any fee at

[h-cost] Brocade and Fair Use

2010-05-13 Thread AnnBWass
Okay, let's try this one more time. Suppose someone bought a yard of your custom-produced brocade, and using technology (that admittedly probably doesn't exist yet) scanned it and starting producing their own brocade, in exactly the same pattern, and selling it. Would you regard that as

Re: [h-cost] Brocade and Fair Use

2010-05-13 Thread Beteena Paradise
I think in order to make your question more closely resemble the current issue, you need to add the words 700 years after your death. To the list in general and not specifically Ann (too lazy to do a seperate email): I left this list for a few years and have just recently returned. I witnessed

Re: [h-cost] Brocade and Fair Use

2010-05-13 Thread Schaeffer, Astrida
I would also like to point out that no one ever said anything about copying the drawing to create the brocade-- the drawing is merely a visual aid to interpret images of the actual fabric! Astrida ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com

Re: [h-cost] Brocade and Fair Use

2010-05-13 Thread Carol Kocian
There are two different issues here. One is copyright, regarding making a copy of part of a book. There are other ways to get the information, for example Inter Library Loan or looking at a friend's copy. Or asking the friend if the book contains a particular thing. If one is

Re: [h-cost] Brocade and Fair Usegalities

2010-05-13 Thread R Lloyd Mitchell
Coming late into this discussion, I have found myself wondering about how commercial companies (say Waverly) go about reproducing fabrics from the historical perspective (say Winterthur or Williamsburg). Permission to copy?? Permission to sell? Historical houses seem to go the reproduction

Re: [h-cost] copyright law thing...

2010-05-13 Thread Debloughcostumes
Not getting into the whole copyright issue, as I'm not a lawyer, and it's one of the most complex laws there is, because of the international agreements (it's automatic here, btw, in the uk)... ...also as I have read the first part of the thread However, purely for the sake of

Re: [h-cost] Brocade and Fair Usegalities

2010-05-13 Thread annbwass
I have found myself wondering about how ommercial companies (say Waverly) go about reproducing fabrics from the istorical perspective (say Winterthur or Williamsburg). Permission to copy?? ermission to sell As I mentioned in one of my posts--that is licensing. Winterthur and Williamsbug

Re: [h-cost] Brocade and Fair Usegalities

2010-05-13 Thread Carol Kocian
On May 13, 2010, at 3:08 PM, R Lloyd Mitchell wrote: Coming late into this discussion, I have found myself wondering about how commercial companies (say Waverly) go about reproducing fabrics from the historical perspective (say Winterthur or Williamsburg). Permission to copy?? Permission

Re: [h-cost] copyright law thing...

2010-05-13 Thread Elena House
I've had to learn way more about copyright law than I ever wanted because I got into producing royalty free stock illustrations for an international company. Dealing with the copyright side of my work often takes much more time than the actual work. Since it is a truly international company,

Re: [h-cost] Brocade and Fair Usegalities

2010-05-13 Thread Lavolta Press
On 5/13/2010 8:08 AM, R Lloyd Mitchell wrote: Coming late into this discussion, I have found myself wondering about how commercial companies (say Waverly) go about reproducing fabrics from the historical perspective (say Winterthur or Williamsburg). Permission to copy?? Permission to

Re: [h-cost] copyright law thing...

2010-05-13 Thread Lavolta Press
It makes me want to heave. But, as you've noted, the law is what you have to follow when using other people's work, not your personal standards. I have not noticed at all that art is being killed. Certainly, in terms of publications, there is a huge increase in the number of books

Re: [h-cost] Friday at Costume Con

2010-05-13 Thread Cactus
Where in Arizona??? Cactus - Original Message From: Pierre Sandy Pettinger costu...@radiks.net To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 10:28:51 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Friday at Costume Con Penny, Next year is in New Jersey.  2012 is in Arizona. Sandy

Re: [h-cost] copyright law thing...

2010-05-13 Thread Sharon Collier
I see the internet/emails/ h-costume list as a group of friends. Someone says,I have a book with an interesting picture. Someone else wants to borrow the book to look at the picture. If we were in the same town, the other person could just come to my house and look at the book, but since we live

Re: [h-cost] copyright law thing...

2010-05-13 Thread Lavolta Press
On 5/13/2010 11:29 AM, Sharon Collier wrote: I see the internet/emails/ h-costume list as a group of friends. Someone says,I have a book with an interesting picture. Someone else wants to borrow the book to look at the picture. If we were in the same town, the other person could just come to

Re: [h-cost] copyright law thing...

2010-05-13 Thread Lavolta Press
Oh yes, then you're using the willful confusion argument. Looking and reading are not the same as copying. Copyright law literally governs the right to make copies. Again, all I see here is people who don't want to bother paying for material or asking permission (pirates and parasites), so

Re: [h-cost] copyright law thing...

2010-05-13 Thread Lavolta Press
Again, all I see here is people who don't want to bother paying for material or asking permission (pirates and parasites), so they go round, and round, and round, and round, and round with arguments about why they personally shouldn't. Sorry, your feelings and your personal convenience do not

Re: [h-cost] copyright law thing...

2010-05-13 Thread Chris Laning
Fran, it sounds like you are saying that legally there is no such thing as fair use. If that's not the case, could you explain what constitutes fair use? OChris Laning clan...@igc.org - Davis, California +

Re: [h-cost] copyright law thing...

2010-05-13 Thread Lavolta Press
No Chris, I am not going to get run around on this one yet again, diligently looking up stuff for people who say they are confused and who then go round and round being yet more confused, all to the end of asserting they can do whatever they feel like. Read some books on copyright law. Fran

Re: [h-cost] copyright law thing...

2010-05-13 Thread Daniel Fenwick
For everyone who is terribly confused, here is a place to start. http://www.copyright.gov/ Understand that copyright violation can cost you huge sums of money in damages plus attorney's fees (which also tend to be large for those kinds of cases.) It's usually best to stick with a conservative

Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 150

2010-05-13 Thread Janine Crocker
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Re: [h-cost] copyright law thing...

2010-05-13 Thread Sharon Collier
I was just curious. Is it infringement if it's just to one person? For an exchange of information? -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 11:37 AM To: Historical Costume Subject:

Re: [h-cost] copyright law thing...

2010-05-13 Thread Daniel Fenwick
Simple answer, yes. Although you might manage to dig through copyright law and find an exception, I wouldn't know where. I was just curious. Is it infringement if it's just to one person? For an exchange of information? ___ h-costume mailing list

Re: [h-cost] Brocade and Fair Usegalities

2010-05-13 Thread R Lloyd Mitchell
thank you Anne.In conversation with a Museum Grad student this afternoon, she agreed that the 'Use factor would be factored into the license contract and other modifications would also have to be delt with as the occasion occurred. -Original Message- From: annbw...@aol.com Sent 5/13/2010

Re: [h-cost] copyright law thing...

2010-05-13 Thread R Lloyd Mitchell
Such clarity. Your thoughtful explanation is of great interest to me...one of those independents who strives to do Art with originality as well as craft. The laws that have been developed are suppose to be safe=guards... -Original Message- From: Elena House exst...@gmail.com Sent

Re: [h-cost] Brocade and Fair Use

2010-05-13 Thread Penny Ladnier
Ann, Actually the technology does exist. They showed something similar on Project Runway this season. Virginia Commonwealth University had a massive machine that did this when I taught there in 2007. The instructor scanned a textile and reproduced it in no time flat. Penny Ladnier Owner,

Re: [h-cost] Brocade and Fair Usegalities

2010-05-13 Thread R Lloyd Mitchell
Having been at this in one way or another my working lifetime, I do 'Ask' and give credit where required when using another's research or product. I consider this approach to be not only polite or facing legalities, but a way of giving credit (praise?) to the artist, scholar, merchant for

Re: [h-cost] Brocade and Fair Usegalities

2010-05-13 Thread Penny Ladnier
If you are not familiar with licensing agreements, I do suggest obtaining a lawyer. There are lawyers who specialize in this area of contracts. Licensing agreements should not be taken lightly. You might check your local Small Business Administration for advice. They offer classes for a low

Re: [h-cost] copyright law thing...

2010-05-13 Thread Lavolta Press
On 5/13/2010 2:30 PM, R Lloyd Mitchell wrote: Such clarity. Your thoughtful explanation is of great interest to me...one of those independents who strives to do Art with originality as well as craft. The laws that have been developed are suppose to be safe=guards... And they are. There is

Re: [h-cost] Friday at Costume Con

2010-05-13 Thread Patricia Dunham
Next year is in New Jersey. 2012 is in Arizona. maybe, eh? let's hope Papers, Please is sorted (to the garbage heap!) soon ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume

Re: [h-cost] book sharing, was: copyright law thing...

2010-05-13 Thread Carol Kocian
On May 13, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: I see the internet/emails/ h-costume list as a group of friends. Whenever I see something about an e-mail list being a group of friends, I imagine sending a party invitation to the entire list... No, not quite. :-) I see many

Re: [h-cost] Friday at Costume Con

2010-05-13 Thread Cactus
Being from Arizona, I just wish people would get their facts straight before prostesting.  And that's all I'm gonna say!  :) Cactus - Original Message From: Patricia Dunham chim...@ravensgard.org To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 4:49:04 PM Subject:

[h-cost] Inappropriate discussion

2010-05-13 Thread annbwass
As my husband said once on an avocational list he belongs to--I don't know the politics of most of the people on this list and I prefer to keep it that way. Let's please keep the discussion on this list to costume-related topics. Ann Wass -Original Message- From: Patricia Dunham

Re: [h-cost] book sharing, was: copyright law thing...

2010-05-13 Thread Lavolta Press
Or you could get on Skype and hold it up to your web cam for your long-distance friend to see. That way someone can look without making a copy for them. Or you can just give them the title and explain why you think it's such a good book, and let them look up reviews and bookstores on the