Not necessarilly. I have seen front side, no seams and darts.
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I think it also needs another seam in the front,
doesn´t it? In my memory, most bodices have a
front side seam, similar to the one in the back
of the Butterick pattern. Am I wrong?
I don't know if this will help...
Nineteenth Century Fashion in Detail by Lucy Johnston, P.50 shows a 1827-29
Evening dress with similar skirt fullness as the Butterick's. The Evening
dress shape is the same as the drawing of the pattern and not the cone shape
in the picture. Through the book it
The only time I have heard that brides in Medieval times wore red (in a
vague broad brush way) was a Dear Abby letter that said the fashion designer
Edith Head had told the person who wrote the letter to Abby. There was
something about in Classical Roman times the bride wore orange/red veils
that
Just a note with the color red, most of us are used to brunettes, black,
blonds, and tone down reds as the norm and the only shades of hair in
period. Though your style is modern for female please do not assume that
your red is modern color as well (even if it is dyed). I have met redheads
that
I have a pinking blade but rarely use it.
De
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Am I the only one who has a pinking blade for my rotary cutter? Beats the H
out of pinking shears.
Kim
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On thier website it says contact on the left. You could email them and
ask.
I haven't tried the patterns.
De
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Does anyone know if there are discussion lists or forums devoted to the
books? I tried looking on yahoo groups but did not find one, though someone
had
The first picture is the one they call the longline bra as there is on the
left side fabric with lace holes going down past the picture. The second is
not a tie behind the neck bra, it's just how they laid it. This is the
breastbag style and they say that there was a back strap. Perhaps the style
Would love a source if you have one. I have someone that has drummed into
folks that patterned cloth only goes as far back as the Middle Ages. The
Iron Age article will dumbstrike her and further back will blow her away. :)
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Actually, patterned cloth is much older than
As was previously said, alcohol. You might try Carbona ink remover which you
can find at Jo Ann's and some WalMarts.
De
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Does anyone have advice as to what to do to remove the ink blots? I am so
upset that my new summer clothes are so messed up.
Penny Ladnier, owner
Small note, this is a gofalon and not a flag. This banner would have been
hung indoors or used in a parade.
Most gofalons were lined or same design on the other side depending on it's
use.
De
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I found this one a while ago:
Small note: the cone shape was area specific, not across Europe and the
British Isles. I understand your point though.
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Why wear tall cone shaped hats in the 1400's?
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Who is the artist and period?
De
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I was particularly interested to find a painting of a veiled Virgin Mary
where her veil is transparent enough that you can see her ears:
http://paternosters.blogspot.com/2007/12/blessed-christmas.html
I know of someone making roses for a dress out of them. This one is kool.
http://www.etsy.com/listing/70220199/the-princess-rock-zipper-bracelet?ref=p
r_shop
De
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a great way to use zipper tape!
http://www.etsy.com/listing/29084353/gold-stream-zipper-necklace
Fran, What kind of edging were you thinking of? On the edge or near the
edge, straight or fancy?
Most glass beads are washable but not all. You will have some problems with
the rochelle or metallic lined beads as the center lining over time can wash
out. With beads on hanks that feel gritty or
I found the MTV review site which pulls various reviews and the reviews are
mixed. The one you presented is there, another says something to the effect
that if you liked the first you will like the second. One trashes Robert
Downey's acting and another Ritches work. So reviews are not always
The Saxon gown by RH is Kass' interpretation of the construction. (just a
note)
Just in case you haven't seen these.
Max,Bi and Mary
http://www.flickr.com/photos/1way/712112063/
Bi /Germanic style
http://www.lessing-photo.com/p3/401302/40130245.jpg
Sorry been sick so I'll be jumping around.
RH has men's 1490 short doublet and hosen (NOT TIGHTS) The hosen do not fit
that tight. Also, the older the male the less likely he will just be wearing
the short doublet.
RH509 Florentine (as oppose to Venetian) This is the basic gown worn by all
Forgot, JoAnn's and other quilting store have printed Renaissance fabric. A
bit pricey but you may get sales and discounts. Also, JoAnn's stores have a
clearance area and sometimes you find material there.
De
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1880s pics
http://zingpat.com/images/1880s-hairstyle.jpg
http://www.worthpoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/dress5.jpg
http://wrvmuseum.org/journal/images/tintype04.jpg
http://www.milkywayjewels.com/vintagephotos/Victorian-Stag-M-Brooch.jpg
This one appears to use the back hair for bangs.
Saturday night fever (1977) and Gunne Sax. The Mel Torme pastel tux.
http://www.promtacular.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/tangiblehope-1976.jpg
http://blog.repeatpossessions.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Prom-386x550.jp
g
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5042/5352276759_4e566fa0d3.jpg
Bad Fran, now I have to clean the drool of my key board.
De
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http://www.trimfabric.com/
Fran
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One would think that since the flower existed before the edge that the edge
would have been named after the flower. :\
De
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Taking a trip through the OED It seems that the origins of the
words pink for the flower and pinking for the jagged edge are
uncertain. Their
Perhap the edge reminded them of Zeus' lightning bolts.
De
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the flower is also called Dianthus.
BTW... Dianthus means flower of Zeus in Greek.
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I wonder if pockets were not earlier as you can find on some 14th century
outer garments with slits on the sides, sometimes embroidered. I was once
told that they were for warming the hands but because of the cuffs that
extended on some of the garments I am inclined to believe that the slits
were
This isn't the Yule gown but the color is similar.
De
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How about this -
Good large picture, especially fabric and sleeve cuff -
http://www.cinematicwallpaper.com/movie-pictures/Harry_Potter_7_wallpaper/Ha
rry_Potter7_mcgonagall
Best wishes
Viv
Your right it does, shoulder points and twin tail collar. Difference is the
whole gown is simple brocade, nothing fancy like the pintucking on the Yule
gown.
De
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And it looks like the same pattern.
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This isn't the Yule gown but the color is
Once upon a time those in Texas found a recipe that got their woman chosen.
One ingredient was the rhinestone bodice. So, I think folks just keep on
going with what worked the last time with a little variation.
Note: Those do not look like what I saw for evening wear. They appear to be
what won
I have seen a pair in one of the online museum sites. As 1800s is not my
focus I do not have it saved somewhere.
De
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Yes, we found another pair of split drawers in the the vast Reed Homestead
(Townsend Historical Society) collection. They definitely belonged to an
Not the same. They are are not undergarments, they worn over the
chemise/shift and petticoat.
De
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I don't offhand see any mention of what these sacques are made of. Are
they white linen?
If so, as a medievalist, of course my reflex would be to simply consider
these as
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At 12:59 PM 9/14/2011, you wrote:
Victorian women NEEDED split drawers. They wore a long chemise over the top
of the drawers, and a corset laced up tightly on top of that, so the only
way to drop a penny was to have the drawers split. You just couldn't get
at them to
You can find drawers in the late 1500s and forward. For the ladies with meat
on their thighs it is a chaffing matter. For most it is underwear.
De
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You'll find drawers starting to creep into women's clothing starting in the
1840's and 50's. They really really started to
Good attempt. Color and the sleeves were not quite on the mark but still
good. The under gown's sleeve on the movie outfit appears to be a tight
cothardie sleeve with lots of buttons running up the sleeve.
De
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So the new shoe fashion is kamikaze platforms?
They are already tall why add the height? Definitely a carnival or Vegas
feel. A lot of retro hair. What's with the white?
Albania - simple, yet elegant.
Angola - very theatrical.
Argentina - ?? prom?
Aruba, Bahamas, Brazil, Cayman Islands,
The hat I have seen in a museum, usually of woven grasses. She appears to be
wearing traditional tribal attire.
De
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Poor Miss Nigeria.
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First time I heard of them but their 2521 Edwardian gown looks just like a
Big 3 costume pattern that showed up after the Titanic movie became a hit. I
have the pattern somewhere.
After looking more at the site, you seem to be right about the Hollywood
inspired. The Masquerade Ball Gown looks like
Miss Australia's costume on youtube. explains a wee bit. Something about the
beach.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjn2Nigs4V0feature=related
De
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OMG! The Romanian costume is Dracula themed.
The close up shows a skeletal hand with red nails on one of her shoulders
and the other a bat.
De
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The chemise/camicia/hemd looks like it could pass for 1500s except for the
eyelet embroidery.
http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/wardrobe/CARIANISeduction.JPG
http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/wardrobe/VenetianLovers.JPG
The style of painting looks to be early 1900s, definitely modern. The
clothing style looks to be a blend of German and Italian.
The hat is German in style.
The hair would be in a caul with this type of hat.
The camicia/hemd style is seen both in Germany and Northern Italy in the
early Ren.
The
That's alright. It helps me not feel so much like a dunce when I do it. :)
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I am sorry De for repeating your links.
Penny Ladnier, owner
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Sadly, this is an Algonquin (specifically Wappanoag) word that means matron,
that a young Iroquoian woman decided was an English bastardization of an
Iroquois word that mean vagina.
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Sounds like someone watching to many Old Westerns. Blue for the dark blue
jeans and the rust colored gingham.
De
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Our local square dance festival has a theme every year, and this year it is
Rollin' Down the River, so the committee are going overboard with those
made-up
Oh surely they can see that one has rows and the other scallops. :)(that's
spelled s-a-r-c-a-s-m)
De
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Completely different, eh? Not to the casual observer!
Denise
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The sad thing is that there is so much that one can do in a design with
ruffles and none of the gowns seem to try that route. it's either rows or
scallops. :P I wonder if any of them ever considered pleating the ruffle
(probably because it's more difficult then gathering). If I was to be a ATM
and
Are there any docs. to cotehardies being laced in the back?
I very vaguely remember something to a yes and I think I may have seen pics.
but my ADD isn't letting my brain find it on my mental shelf.
De
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I would recommend the shoe repair offered first since the boots are 50 years
old and you don't have that much experience with shoe repair. If budget
doesn't allow it, then the Shoe Goo which can be found at most Wal-Marts or
the like stores. I have not used the Barge glue as I have not seen it and
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I have one of her patterns,
http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/products/rh606-early-tudor-common-mans-
outfit-1,
which I am planning on using to make the hosen, but as far as I can
tell,it looks like it needs to be tied to stay up. I was hoping for tips
on getting
Would these help
http://tinyurl.com/3j2vzgh
http://tinyurl.com/3uh7h7p
De
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Cabbage is old term used in Elizabethan era. Modern is scrap.
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Why are they scraps called cabbage? That's new to me but then I don't know
all the terms for costuming or garb technology.
Sincerely,
Rebecca Rautine
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I purchased #1726,1894 outing/traveling outfit (skirt and jacket) with the
intention of seeing what the pattern pieces look like and try to find
something from the big 3 that comes closest and then adapt because I am a
size 24-26.
#1726 gives a diagram for the pattern pieces but there are pieces
Today I received a pattern from Patterns of Time, this is the second time I
received the pattern folded and stuffed in an envelope. They also, at least
on the clothing patterns place their labels on top of print or design,
instead of off to the side. I know they are capable of doing this as the
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he kirtle evidence sounds interesting. Do you remember which list you
saw it on? (I'd love to check back to find the source.)
--
Cathy Raymond
ca...@thyrsus.com
This would have been about 6-8 years ago. I am not sure which list. I was
going to say 12th century yahoo
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On 02/12/2011 02:34 PM, Beteena Paradise wrote:
It isn't exactly what she said as she insisted that it had to be 1/4 inch
cotton
twill tape as that is what was used then, but at least there is support for
silk
binding. Thank you so much!
I greatly doubt it was
If a ceremonial robe is long that it trails on the ground behind the person,
the robe is said to have a train. That which attach and detach from the
waistline and trails the ground behind the gown is a train. A long veil that
trails past the gown is said to have a train. Same with a gown's skirt
Country? Age of child? under 5 seem to have worn knee length T-tunics and
under 2 seem to not have underwear.
You could briefly join the 12th century yahoo group to ask questions
12thcenturygarb-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
De
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Dear List
I have friend looking for a 12th
Found the black and white beaded on a list that shows the original Worth's
design.
http://thedreamstress.com/2010/02/rate-the-dress-queen-maud-of-norway-in-wor
th/
De
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Had to see what you all were talking about: Maybe this was obvious but I
didn't know who Maud was or
Pictures of Maud
http://www.staylace.com/gallery/gallery05/index_maud.html
youtube of pics, gowns and info
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr4EBismOLg
De
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It would seem that was an oversight. All of the women's patterns are TV, I
guess she doesn't do men's. :)
De
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Just fyi, the TV patterns listed on that link are Laughing Moon patterns.
K.
From: otsisto otsi...@socket.net
http://trulyvictorian.com/catalog/menscat.html
Truly Victorian
I have heard the patterns are good. Limited on men's patterns.
I just got their 1873 polonaise.
De
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Don't know if I actually have time to still get this by Xmas, BUT! Himself
re-iterated interest in a
If you are not familiar with steampunk, then you might want to watch The
Adventures of the League of STEAM (Supernatural and Troublesome Ectoplasmic
Apparition Management) on youtube
http://tinyurl.com/39dqbef
Costume and equipment ideas
De
Been toying with ideas for Archon. Something
Cutwork and the technique used on the doilies is used on clothing from
Bishop's garments to aprons and is pretty old technique. I have seen
Christmas decorations become part of a costume and parts of a costume become
X-mas decorations.
And probably, especially if it was originally a skirt and
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OFF TOPIC
This might not be historic or vintage needlework but I found a beautiful
cut-work embroidered Christmas runner last summer in an antique store. The
embroidery is machine made.
http://www.costumegallery.com/runner.jpg
Will this help?
Durer/self-portraits
http://tinyurl.com/2dlrjx3
http://tinyurl.com/2f37qck
Also: large pic. detail of your pic.
http://tinyurl.com/383wj6d
more pics. from the period
http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/wardrobe/men/VenMenGall1.htm
De
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I am trying
Someone was questioning plaid or check, though not a garment, it shows that
such a pattern was created in fabric.
http://tinyurl.com/2uqfbsl
De
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Closer picture shows it to be a plaid.
http://tinyurl.com/3325vl4
De
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if it is allegorical or religious then the artist made up the garment. My
feeling is that if this were true then all medieval and renaissance artists
were fashion designers.
The Manesse drawings are simplistic and the artist does not have a full
grasp of fabric pattern draping.
The patterns can
Perhaps you can get swashes for Dharma
http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/1667492-AA.shtml
De
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Pics:
Cotton bubble gauze (or as i call it pain in the arse to sew fabric)
http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/3479-AA.shtml?lnav=fabric_cotton.html
http://tinyurl.com/2eoarrh
Cotton voile
http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/3501-AA.shtml?lnav=fabric_cotton.html
http://tinyurl.com/23awt58
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Butterick 4486 looks a LOT like his shirt,
De: the lacing and the ruffles of this pattern is not pre1600s. Here are
men's Italian extant shirts
http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/workbox/extmencam.htm
Likewise,
Simplicity 3758 is probably only somewhat close
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But the shirt that he already has is 100% cotton -
I know - not period - but very comfy and again, he likes it.
De: Going by memory, I believe that someone on the Italian list that i am on
said that in the late 1500s you do find some shirts and shifts made of
cotton
This is good to know as my Shire has a large pavilion tent refered to as
the barracks and some have been wondering How it would work for the kids
at camping events. We do have curtains to divide the interior but it sounds
as if, especially with special needs children, that curtains may not help.
Just curious, how is it not meeting the troops needs?
De
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I know that many of you travel to SCA and other re-enactment events and
thought you might be interested in the pavilion we are selling on E-Bay.
About 6 years ago we bought a Panther Primitive, 16 x 16, Regent
There are examples of the camicia/chemise with a quasy raglan sleeve but
they have gussets.
Smocking and gathering was done. A ruler and blue chalk to mark the stitches
or if in a hurry, a basting stitch on your sewing machine will help give
even gatherings for pleating. If you have patience you
Their use of regalia is that they are putting on their finest clothing,
they are regaling themselves. It is believed that the word costume is for
garments worn for Halloween. The dance regalia is something different then a
dress up and pretend piece of clothing. The use of regalia instead of
Bjarne posted it long ago and I knew I didn't have the funds then or have it
in the future so I didn't save it.
I think it was in Copenhagan and actually I think it was $65 and not $45.
Also I vaguely remember someone mentioning a European fabric store that
specialized in Catholic fabrics that had
Usually it does. Most Norse reinactors when saying kit usually means
clothing, knives, shoes, belt...etc.
De
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the term kit a lot.
I like kit because, to me, it implies all the other stuff one takes along
besides actual clothes.
Ann Wass
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In
I only know of one rumored drawstring camacia/chemise, all others are
pleated, gathered and flat.
The cuffs are not drawstringed either.
Realm of Venus is a good place to look for Venetian.
http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/
Wardrobe takes you to the paintings.
Library is research
Workbox
The style of Katherina is a Saxony gown
http://tinyurl.com/23qtw64
The white around the neck is mostlikely a partlet but may be the
chemise/hemd.
A Robe belonging to Luther
http://tinyurl.com/2c7agup
More pics of Luther.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther
More pics of Katherina
My apologies, I had a duh moment when I asked. I have the book from when I
use to do illumination and kept it for costume use. :P
Yes, it clearly is not a red beaded edge sheer cape.
De
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Could you direct me to an online pic of this? I have come across through
browsing some 1400s Italian paintings with sheer material layer over fabric
of the over gown. Most were by the same artist but one w/embroidery by
another artist from an earlier period.
All but one are allegorical and the
Have you tried Dawn soap and a scotch brite pan scrubber? This is assuming
you don't mind scratches on the scissors.
WD40 it then scrub with a scotch brite or vinegar and salt rub.
It depends on how bad the rust is.
The first and second works on medium rust and the latter works on light
rust.
De
What is the purpose of the contest?
De
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Thank you to everyone who went and viewed the photos. If you haven't viewed
the photos, please go and view the photos that I entered into the photo
contest. It has the most views of all the other contestants and is listed on
the
I found this
Period Impressions
4412 Talmage Mayo Rd
Harrodsburg, KY 40330-9419
Phone: (859) 366-0312
no known website or email address
De
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Does anyone know if the people who produce Period Impressions patterns are
still in business? If so, I would appreciate
I'm not awake.:P
What is the word or phrase and time period and I can swing this by the
Italian list I am on.
De
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This is actually costume related. I was asked if I knew anyone who
spoke/wrote Italian. The reason is someone wants to write something in
Italian on a
Since this is an out of print pattern, for those who want to see what is
being talked about here is a pic.
http://tinyurl.com/29gmx2p
Personally I would go with the undergarment pattern that goes with this
gown. Not so much that it would be period in look but because the gown will
look more like
The best that I can say, as I am still learning.
It appears that the red is a doublet/pourpoint/farcetto. The black without
seeing it's actual form could be a man's version of a woman's giornea.
http://tinyurl.com/325yc8l
Because there is a skirt or peplum to the black it is not a plackett(sp?)
Here is more statues under his real name
http://tinyurl.com/3af9hrj
It sounds like your looking for a travelers cloak. One that Mercury is
usually depicted in wearing besides the traditional hat.
De
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The hooded Gallo-Roman garment that gave the Emperor Caracalla his
Which gown? There are at least 4 types.
http://tinyurl.com/2by2jej
Are you speaking of the burial gown?
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/155/413141744_784f44dc14_o.jpg
http://tinyurl.com/278vn6n
Side find: Eleanora's stays
http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/workbox/extwomclo3.htm
Personal
What actually is it that you are looking for? I'm finding several things
called caracalla.
For example Emperor Caracalla
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Caracalla.jpg
There are the baths of Caracalla and the story of Caracalla Geta
Here are the google images
http://tinyurl.com/323dt8a
De
The wine was not the woman choice. You will have to consider the types of
cakes that they had during that period and she may have wrapped the chicken
in a kerchief or something to separate the chicken from the cakes.
De
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Secondly, who in their right mind would put them
You also need to consider that at that time in some countries a woman of
upper class had to give the illusion of delicacy and was expected to eat
tiny portions (I believe Q. Victoria told women to eat small portions, among
other advise she gave) and therefore would have secreted food for later
Is it possible that in this case the pocket is actually a purse or pouch and
not what we consider a pocket? Example: pocketbook.
18th century pocketbooks
http://tinyurl.com/2ehf9ud
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:18th_century_purses
19th
I have seen this style in the 70s, mid to late 80s and I think mid 90s. This
is nothing new. I used to own a blouse that was patchwork lace and doilies.
Tiered skirts, jackets, pants...most of these were of country western design
or ol' west.
De
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On 5/22/2010 6:06 PM,
I have the pattern somewhere but they have the back envelope information on
the website.
CONTRAST
45* 2 7/8
60* 2
http://tinyurl.com/32o24cp
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http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art55487.asp
might help
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I am thinking about embroidering a spencer with silk ribbon.
I tried several years ago to document the use of silk ribbon embroidery in
Regency times and didn't have any luck. It may be that it originated in
Hard to tell, not a spencer
http://tinyurl.com/29z9f47
http://tinyurl.com/23xn7gd
Though not an expert, I have not seen either the spencer jacket or the light
weight spencer jacket with ribbon embroidery but if it was done and no
extent currently found, I would say cuff area is one location and
I am thinking by your description that it may be something to do with making
lace but not bobbin lace. Or it could be a pin puller.
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I have the piece you describe above and the 'sewing' item is nothing like
it. VT Country Store still stocks the hair item.
?My 'racket' is
It may not be the same thing but I have seen something similar to it. One
was used for the mouth of a yarn bag. The other use was for sewing but I
can't remeber what specifically for and I had the impression that it was an
adaptation to what it's original purpose was.
Sorry,
De
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The running joke is Steampunk is what happens when goths discover brown.
Lots of grey in there too.
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Carolyn Kayta Barrows
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hmmm...grey matter...interesting.
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It looks like a modern goth variation of the Pirates of the Caribean
costume pattern
http://www.simplicity.com/p-2098-costumes.aspx
Simplicity #40?? (For some reason, ever since Simplicity up graded there
website my computer periodical freezes up when I try to browse their site.
So I wasn't able
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