Re: [h-cost] Fabric suggestions - Marie Antoinette 1786 portrait

2009-08-13 Thread otsisto
You are looking at possibly an ecru silk chiffon lined with white linen or cotton. The shoulder region is not a different material from the sleeve, it is the two layers only flat. The edges of the ruffles seem to have either bia tape, ribbon or possibly embroidered edge.

Re: [h-cost] Fabric suggestions - Marie Antoinette 1786 portrait

2009-08-13 Thread annbwass
Yes, that is the infamous chemise gown and would have been made of lightweight linen or cotton--supposed Marie Antoinette adopted the style worn by the Creoles in the hot and steamy Caribbean.? It is possible that, during the time, an even more sheer linen or cotton was used for the ruffles,

Re: [h-cost] Fabric suggestions - Marie Antoinette 1786 portrait

2009-08-13 Thread Laurie Taylor
De, Thank you. You pretty much summed up what I thought, though I still can't help think that the silk chiffons that I've used in the past were to mushy to look like that. I had been looking at the edge treatment last night and wondering if it would be enough to make a mushy chiffon behave as

Re: [h-cost] Fabric suggestions - Marie Antoinette 1786 portrait

2009-08-13 Thread Laurie Taylor
Ann, Thanks for the information and perspective. I hadn't considered separately-cut ruffles. I do think that you're right that the sleeve ruffle is a continuation, but if I'm trying to make modern fabrics behave properly, cutting ruffles separately, in different fabrics, could work. Laurie T.

Re: [h-cost] Fabric suggestions - Marie Antoinette 1786 portrait

2009-08-13 Thread Melanie Schuessler
I wouldn't use silk chiffon. It has no body at all and will lay limp rather than in the soft ruffles shown, and silk organza is (as you say) too stiff. You'd be better off with a nice sheer cotton--back it with something more opaque for the body and sleeves. That way you'll get the airy

Re: [h-cost] comparison shopping - Tudor Shoes

2009-08-13 Thread A. Thurman
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:29 AM, h-costume-requ...@indra.com wrote: Message: 5 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:45:54 -0700 From: Sharon Collier sha...@collierfam.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] comparison shopping - Tudor Shoes To: 'Historical Costume' h-cost...@indra.com Message-ID:

Re: [h-cost] Fabric suggestions - Marie Antoinette 1786 portrait

2009-08-13 Thread Carol Kocian
On Aug 13, 2009, at 9:29 AM, annbw...@aol.com wrote: Yes, that is the infamous chemise gown and would have been made of lightweight linen or cotton--supposed Marie Antoinette adopted the style worn by the Creoles in the hot and steamy Caribbean. It is possible that, during the time, an

Re: [h-cost] Fabric suggestions - Marie Antoinette 1786 portrait

2009-08-13 Thread Sharon Collier
Very sheer, lightweight cotton. It drapes like the picture. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Taylor Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 6:34 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: [h-cost] Fabric suggestions - Marie

Re: [h-cost] comparison shopping - Tudor Shoes

2009-08-13 Thread Sharon Collier
Our group portrays Elizabeth's court around 1575. Our costumer is VERY particular and she approves these. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of A. Thurman Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:54 AM To: h-cost...@indra.com

Re: [h-cost] comparison shopping - Tudor Shoes

2009-08-13 Thread Melanie Schuessler
On Aug 13, 2009, at 3:52 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: Our group portrays Elizabeth's court around 1575. Our costumer is VERY particular and she approves these. [Soles Thru Time] I guess I'm more particular than your costumer! I don't care for these. First, they use the worst possible

Re: [h-cost] Shirone gown

2009-08-13 Thread appin1
When I first saw photos of the gown, I was puzzled since it didn't look like anything that came before or after it. Once I saw it in the museum, I was convinced that it's exhibited on a (really bad, lumpy) form that's too big for it. I made a small mockup of it based on the photo, closed it up

Re: [h-cost] Fabric suggestions - Marie Antoinette 1786 portrait

2009-08-13 Thread otsisto
I know that there is a very nice near sheer material out there that is a cotton linen blend, Jo Ann's used to carry it. Somewhere on line I had seen the sheer linen but is was $36 per. aprox. 1yd x 26 and it would have to be shipped from Europe to the states. Out of price, out of range so I didn't

Re: [h-cost] Fabric suggestions - Marie Antoinette 1786 portrait

2009-08-13 Thread Laurie Taylor
A cotton/linen blend sounds nice, and might have a bit more of the crispness that is evident in the chemise dress. I'm actually contemplating the cotton/silk blend from http://www.renaissancefabrics.net/cgi-bin/showAll.cgi?id=286, as I think that the silk would also give the crispness that makes

Re: [h-cost] Fabric suggestions - Marie Antoinette 1786 portrait

2009-08-13 Thread Betsy Marshall
Many moons ago I sprung for the Dharma trading collection of silk swatches- very informative! Good luck, Betsy -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Taylor Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:15 PM To: 'Historical

[h-cost] Intro and thanks

2009-08-13 Thread Marjorie Wilser
Greetings to the List! Thanks to Cin for her original query on my behalf about the Shinrone Gown. I have loved reading all your comments. It was just what I needed to enable me to take a better look at Kass's conclusions about the gown. Until further experience teaches me different, I am