Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress
Thank you. Very interesting. Looks like what I want is a caul with a decorated billiment. Does that sound like what they were wearing in 1570's? -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Jane Stockton Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 6:38 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress At 11:28 AM 27/05/2009, you wrote: Late Elizabethan, when ladies' hair was often (in portraits, at least) puffed at the front, and with a cap or something (hard to see because of course, it's on the back of the head). Often seemed to have quite a bit of jewelling/fancy work. Nothing in colour, but much better for getting structure - try my blog: http://plainattyre.blogspot.com/ You will have to scroll back, page by page, but you should be able to find several examples of what you are looking for. Cheers, Jane Jane Stockton - jane_stock...@webcon.net.au Barony of Mordenvale, Kingdom of Lochac Stocktons Historical Embroidery - http://stocktons.webcon.net.au/ (shop) In Prayse of the Needle - http://needleprayse.webcon.net.au/ (personal website) Historical Needlework Resources - http://medieval.webcon.net.au/ (resource website) The Needles' Excellency - http://laren.blogspot.com/ (blog) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress
On May 27, 2009, at 2:59 AM, Sharon Collier wrote: Thank you. Very interesting. Looks like what I want is a caul with a decorated billiment. Does that sound like what they were wearing in 1570's? A caul on its own is more likely. Billiments generally appeared on the front of French hoods. Images do appear of a billiment with a gathered bag on the back, like these: http://www.flickr.com/photos/52219...@n00/517628674/ http://www.artsmia.org/viewer/detail.php?v=12id=548 but they generally appear on children, not adults. The exception I've found is Christina of Denmark http://www.oberlin.edu/amam/images/coxcie_michiel_fi_000.jpg http://www.studio-international.co.uk/studio-images/holbein/ Christina_b.jpg but hers lacks a decorative billiment. This one http://www.englandhistory.com/sections/government/Monarchs/ ElizabethI.jpg looks like a decorated caul with a veil pinned so that the edge makes small scallops over the top. Melanie Schuessler ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress
Try googling Elizabethan geek She's got a great website. Arlys On Tue, 26 May 2009 16:37:18 -0700 Sharon Collier sha...@collierfam.com writes: I am looking for a picture or instructions for a late Elizabethan headdress. I do not want the French hood that covers the ears, rather I am looking for the fancy roll that sits further back on the head. I believe these were attached to a caul, but I'm not sure. Any advice/ideas/pictures/links would be appreciated. Sharon C. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Save on Security Cameras. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTGTDRYHSmaZjEmEWDhOOb3jtvldOzA1mtFBDRS4JS30EY3bt6Znck/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] question re: headkerchiefs
Hi all. My SCA persona's appr. time is 1312, England. A few months ago, I got my very long hair cut short; love it--no regrets. Made a sizable donation to Locks of Love, a charity I would encourage you to consider if you are getting your long hair cut. Anyway, the problem: My hair is naturally very wavy and has a lot of bounce. My summer coif isn't heavy enough to keep my hair down. Might anyone know if women of this period wore linen headkerchiefs? I'm trying to stay away from turbans--things like that give me headaches. Any links would be hugely appreciated! Much thanks, Arlys Click to slash your phone bill by up to 90%. Discounted VoIP service http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTHbpcVHL0mcLMjCTut6ywTiNxtMZaTFunpxiLvHyxY2gh1LKf0740/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress
On May 27, 2009, at 2:59 AM, Sharon Collier wrote: Thank you. Very interesting. Looks like what I want is a caul with a decorated billiment. Does that sound like what they were wearing in 1570's? Have you looked here yet? http://www.extremecostuming.com/articles/howtowearthecoif.html http://www.extremecostuming.com/reproductions/vacoift281975.html I suspect that this is what you want. jerusha/ susan - Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress
While I agree with Laura on how coifs were probably worn, there is some debate about who would have worn them and under what circumstances. In the 1570s, coifs were probably worn in public mostly by the middle and lower classes, not by the upper and noble classes. The very fancy ones that survive were probably home/ sleepwear. The only exception I can think of off-hand is Theophilia, wife of the 3rd Earl of Worcester (1567): http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/Theophila.jpg Please note that she's also wearing a forehead cloth. If you're doing an upper or noble class outfit, there is this one piece of evidence for coif-wearing, but you might be better served with a more formal type of headwear. Melanie Schuessler On May 27, 2009, at 11:11 AM, Susan Farmer wrote: On May 27, 2009, at 2:59 AM, Sharon Collier wrote: Thank you. Very interesting. Looks like what I want is a caul with a decorated billiment. Does that sound like what they were wearing in 1570's? Have you looked here yet? http://www.extremecostuming.com/articles/howtowearthecoif.html http://www.extremecostuming.com/reproductions/vacoift281975.html I suspect that this is what you want. jerusha/ susan - Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress
Yes, that looks very much like what I want to make. Is it a flat piece, like a french hood, or a decorated roll? -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sagittarius Uisce Beatha Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 7:30 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress Here's a picture of Queen Elizabeth I (1575) wearing what I think you're describing: http://www.englandhistory.com/sections/government/Monarchs/ElizabethI.jpg From my understanding, it's still essentially a french hood just a smaller version so all that can be seen of it is the crescent. http://www.elizabethancostume.net/headwear/frenchhood.html. If you scroll to the bottom there's a paragraph about french hoods of the later period that you seek. There's also another page that tells you how to construct a french hood, unfortunately the pattern for the later period isn't there but the earlier periods are. Maybe you can adapt the pattern to suit what you're looking for. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Sharon Collier sha...@collierfam.comwrote: Late Elizabethan, when ladies' hair was often (in portraits, at least) puffed at the front, and with a cap or something (hard to see because of course, it's on the back of the head). Often seemed to have quite a bit of jewelling/fancy work. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress
Just to make sure I understand this, there is a difference between coif and caul, isn't there? I've always thought the coif was the embroider (or not) little hat item that covers the top, side and back of the head, basically a shaped folded piece of cloth. A caul was more of a cap worn on the back of the head, covering the hair that was put back in a bun/braid. It would be highly decorated with beads, jewels and embroidery. there may or may not be a veil pinned to the caul as well. alex On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Sharon Collier sha...@collierfam.com wrote: If not a coif/caul, what? I don't want something to cover the ears. Did french hoods sit back farther on the head later in the century? I keep seeing pictures with what appears to be a jeweled or fancy fabric headband type of thing, but don't know how to make it. And have no idea what the back of such an item would look like. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Melanie Schuessler Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:11 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress While I agree with Laura on how coifs were probably worn, there is some debate about who would have worn them and under what circumstances. In the 1570s, coifs were probably worn in public mostly by the middle and lower classes, not by the upper and noble classes. The very fancy ones that survive were probably home/ sleepwear. The only exception I can think of off-hand is Theophilia, wife of the 3rd Earl of Worcester (1567): http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/Theophila.jpg Please note that she's also wearing a forehead cloth. If you're doing an upper or noble class outfit, there is this one piece of evidence for coif-wearing, but you might be better served with a more formal type of headwear. Melanie Schuessler On May 27, 2009, at 11:11 AM, Susan Farmer wrote: On May 27, 2009, at 2:59 AM, Sharon Collier wrote: Thank you. Very interesting. Looks like what I want is a caul with a decorated billiment. Does that sound like what they were wearing in 1570's? Have you looked here yet? http://www.extremecostuming.com/articles/howtowearthecoif.html http://www.extremecostuming.com/reproductions/vacoift281975.html I suspect that this is what you want. jerusha/ susan - Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- So much to do and so little attention span to get it done with… ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] question re: headkerchiefs
Could you describe more fully what you are terming a coif and a headkerchief? The classic style for early 1300s is with the hair in knobs, loops or columns at the temples, with one piece of cloth (wimple?) round the throat, under the chin and pulled up to the temples and another (veil?) draped over the top of the head. They would certainly be linen, but of whatever weight suits you best. (The hair can be false pieces on a headband, or omitted if necessary.) Jean Cynthia J Ley wrote: Hi all. My SCA persona's appr. time is 1312, England. A few months ago, I got my very long hair cut short; love it--no regrets. Made a sizable donation to Locks of Love, a charity I would encourage you to consider if you are getting your long hair cut. Anyway, the problem: My hair is naturally very wavy and has a lot of bounce. My summer coif isn't heavy enough to keep my hair down. Might anyone know if women of this period wore linen headkerchiefs? I'm trying to stay away from turbans--things like that give me headaches. Any links would be hugely appreciated! Much thanks, Arlys Click to slash your phone bill by up to 90%. Discounted VoIP service http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTHbpcVHL0mcLMjCTut6ywTiNxtMZaTFunpxiLvHyxY2gh1LKf0740/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress
I was going to make a caul, but was looking for something different to go over/with it, hence the decorated roll/billiment/whatever. I had a hat before, but found that it gets really hot, so was hoping to find something less. Sharon -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Alexandria Doyle Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:01 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress Just to make sure I understand this, there is a difference between coif and caul, isn't there? I've always thought the coif was the embroider (or not) little hat item that covers the top, side and back of the head, basically a shaped folded piece of cloth. A caul was more of a cap worn on the back of the head, covering the hair that was put back in a bun/braid. It would be highly decorated with beads, jewels and embroidery. there may or may not be a veil pinned to the caul as well. alex On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Sharon Collier sha...@collierfam.com wrote: If not a coif/caul, what? I don't want something to cover the ears. Did french hoods sit back farther on the head later in the century? I keep seeing pictures with what appears to be a jeweled or fancy fabric headband type of thing, but don't know how to make it. And have no idea what the back of such an item would look like. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Melanie Schuessler Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:11 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress While I agree with Laura on how coifs were probably worn, there is some debate about who would have worn them and under what circumstances. In the 1570s, coifs were probably worn in public mostly by the middle and lower classes, not by the upper and noble classes. The very fancy ones that survive were probably home/ sleepwear. The only exception I can think of off-hand is Theophilia, wife of the 3rd Earl of Worcester (1567): http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/Theophila.jpg Please note that she's also wearing a forehead cloth. If you're doing an upper or noble class outfit, there is this one piece of evidence for coif-wearing, but you might be better served with a more formal type of headwear. Melanie Schuessler On May 27, 2009, at 11:11 AM, Susan Farmer wrote: On May 27, 2009, at 2:59 AM, Sharon Collier wrote: Thank you. Very interesting. Looks like what I want is a caul with a decorated billiment. Does that sound like what they were wearing in 1570's? Have you looked here yet? http://www.extremecostuming.com/articles/howtowearthecoif.html http://www.extremecostuming.com/reproductions/vacoift281975.html I suspect that this is what you want. jerusha/ susan - Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- So much to do and so little attention span to get it done with ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress
From my understanding, it's constructed like a french hood except the base doesn't cover the ears but sits more like a headband with the crescent sitting on top. http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/270/Elizabeth-I-of-England-The-Darnley-Portrait-kings-and-queens-2710388-800-1170.jpg, If you look in that picture of QEI, you'll see that there's also still a veil attached as well. As for the very back, I couldn't say for sure if there is a bag there or not. Or if there is a coif made to fit under such a small hood. From the looks of it, you still have the flat piece that the crescent sits on, but the crescent basically takes it over. It's really hard to say for sure as the bouffant hair covers the detail of the base. On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Sharon Collier sha...@collierfam.comwrote: Yes, that looks very much like what I want to make. Is it a flat piece, like a french hood, or a decorated roll? -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sagittarius Uisce Beatha Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 7:30 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress Here's a picture of Queen Elizabeth I (1575) wearing what I think you're describing: http://www.englandhistory.com/sections/government/Monarchs/ElizabethI.jpg From my understanding, it's still essentially a french hood just a smaller version so all that can be seen of it is the crescent. http://www.elizabethancostume.net/headwear/frenchhood.html. If you scroll to the bottom there's a paragraph about french hoods of the later period that you seek. There's also another page that tells you how to construct a french hood, unfortunately the pattern for the later period isn't there but the earlier periods are. Maybe you can adapt the pattern to suit what you're looking for. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress
I think a caul would work with the later period french hood/billiment, especially in the heat. On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Sharon Collier sha...@collierfam.comwrote: I was going to make a caul, but was looking for something different to go over/with it, hence the decorated roll/billiment/whatever. I had a hat before, but found that it gets really hot, so was hoping to find something less. Sharon ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress
On May 27, 2009, at 2:00 PM, Alexandria Doyle wrote: Just to make sure I understand this, there is a difference between coif and caul, isn't there? Yes. At least modern people make a distinction. I've always thought the coif was the embroider (or not) little hat item that covers the top, side and back of the head, basically a shaped folded piece of cloth. It's sewn up at the top and gathered across the back of the neck. You can see images of coifs both flat and sewn up here: http://www.elizabethancostume.net/headwear/coifpics.html The distinguishing features of coifs are the shape when laid flat and the ground fabric, which was pretty much always white linen. Some are plain, some embroidered with blackwork, some with polychrome embroidery, and some even have gold thread and spangles on them. A caul was more of a cap worn on the back of the head, covering the hair that was put back in a bun/braid. It's basically a circle gathered and sewn to one side of a straight band whose short ends have been joined--at least, that is a construction that results in something that looks like what we see in the portraits. I don't know that we have any extant ones. The band is what you see in most portraits that show it, such as the one of Queen Elizabeth that has been referenced a few times in this thread. In 16th-century portraits, cauls (when the word is used to mean a cap and not a net) generally look like they are made of a fancier fabric (i.e., not white linen, and probably not linen at all) and are often decorated. Melanie Schuessler ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress
It might be cooler, but if you are concerned with historical accuracy, be aware that this is a modern hybrid and not a historical style. What about putting a veil over it, as Elizabeth did? Melanie Schuessler On May 27, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Sagittarius Uisce Beatha wrote: I think a caul would work with the later period french hood/billiment, especially in the heat. On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Sharon Collier sha...@collierfam.comwrote: I was going to make a caul, but was looking for something different to go over/with it, hence the decorated roll/billiment/whatever. I had a hat before, but found that it gets really hot, so was hoping to find something less. Sharon ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress
I'm going by what it looks like to me. http://elizabethangeek.com/costumereview/images/13.jpg in that picture the back shape looks like the QEI picture except this one covers the ears. According to the site that you just linked me to, it says later period french hoods are more often referred to as billiments because the hood itself had gotten so small. http://elizabethangeek.com/costumereview/images/48.jpg This one doesn't cover the ears and you can see the crescent nicely. It's pictures like that, that make me say french hood. On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Melanie Schuessler mela...@faucet.netwrote: I don't think this is any variety of French hood at all, but rather a caul or cap made of a circle gathered to a band. You can find diagrams and instructions on the top half of this page: http://www.elizabethancostume.net/headwear/caulmake.html I should amend my statement in my previous email about cauls not being made of linen--that was in reference to upper-class cauls. Clearly lower-class women did wear white linen cauls, as can be seen in many Flemish genre paintings. Melanie Schuessler ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] question re: headkerchiefs
On Wed, 27 May 2009 19:10:45 +0100 Anne anne.montgome...@googlemail.com writes: Could you describe more fully what you are terming a coif and a headkerchief? You bet! :-) Coif--the ubiquitous little cap-like thing everyone wore. Headkerchief--I suppose we'ld call them scarves nowadays. Take a square of fabric, fold it into a triangle, place on head, tie two points together in the back. Thanks! Arlys The classic style for early 1300s is with the hair in knobs, loops or columns at the temples, with one piece of cloth (wimple?) round the throat, under the chin and pulled up to the temples and another (veil?) draped over the top of the head. They would certainly be linen, but of whatever weight suits you best. (The hair can be false pieces on a headband, or omitted if necessary.) Jean Cynthia J Ley wrote: Hi all. My SCA persona's appr. time is 1312, England. A few months ago, I got my very long hair cut short; love it--no regrets. Made a sizable donation to Locks of Love, a charity I would encourage you to consider if you are getting your long hair cut. Anyway, the problem: My hair is naturally very wavy and has a lot of bounce. My summer coif isn't heavy enough to keep my hair down. Might anyone know if women of this period wore linen headkerchiefs? I'm trying to stay away from turbans--things like that give me headaches. Any links would be hugely appreciated! Much thanks, Arlys Click to slash your phone bill by up to 90%. Discounted VoIP service http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTHbpcVHL0mcLMjCTut6ywTi NxtMZaTFunpxiLvHyxY2gh1LKf0740/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress
On May 27, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Sagittarius Uisce Beatha wrote: I'm going by what it looks like to me. http://elizabethangeek.com/costumereview/images/13.jpg in that picture the back shape looks like the QEI picture except this one covers the ears. According to the site that you just linked me to, it says later period french hoods are more often referred to as billiments because the hood itself had gotten so small. http://elizabethangeek.com/costumereview/images/48.jpg This one doesn't cover the ears and you can see the crescent nicely. It's pictures like that, that make me say french hood. These are both definitely French hoods. The white crescent with gold on either side and black behind (the black is the hood) are a dead giveaway. Melanie Schuessler ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress
What would the veil be made of? Silk? Linen? And what color? Sharon -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Melanie Schuessler Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:51 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress It might be cooler, but if you are concerned with historical accuracy, be aware that this is a modern hybrid and not a historical style. What about putting a veil over it, as Elizabeth did? Melanie Schuessler On May 27, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Sagittarius Uisce Beatha wrote: I think a caul would work with the later period french hood/billiment, especially in the heat. On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Sharon Collier sha...@collierfam.comwrote: I was going to make a caul, but was looking for something different to go over/with it, hence the decorated roll/billiment/whatever. I had a hat before, but found that it gets really hot, so was hoping to find something less. Sharon ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress
In the second picture, I don't see any type of veiling hanging from the back. Do you think it was a caul or just that the veil can't be seen? Sharon -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sagittarius Uisce Beatha Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 2:15 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress I'm going by what it looks like to me. http://elizabethangeek.com/costumereview/images/13.jpg in that picture the back shape looks like the QEI picture except this one covers the ears. According to the site that you just linked me to, it says later period french hoods are more often referred to as billiments because the hood itself had gotten so small. http://elizabethangeek.com/costumereview/images/48.jpg This one doesn't cover the ears and you can see the crescent nicely. It's pictures like that, that make me say french hood. On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Melanie Schuessler mela...@faucet.netwrote: I don't think this is any variety of French hood at all, but rather a caul or cap made of a circle gathered to a band. You can find diagrams and instructions on the top half of this page: http://www.elizabethancostume.net/headwear/caulmake.html I should amend my statement in my previous email about cauls not being made of linen--that was in reference to upper-class cauls. Clearly lower-class women did wear white linen cauls, as can be seen in many Flemish genre paintings. Melanie Schuessler ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
