Re: [h-cost] Costume Con

2011-02-01 Thread Lisa A Ashton
Dear Robin-- If you are planning on attending this year's Costume Con in NJ, would you be interested in doing a talk or two? I am the Programming Director for hte con. Your talks are always well-attended and very appreciated. Yours in cosutming, Lisa a On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 01:00:48 -0600

Re: [h-cost] Costume Con

2011-02-01 Thread Marjorie Wilser
My favorite memory of hall costuming. Kayta Barrows was a close friend of mine. She often judged something at . . . Oh gosh. Forgot the Con name! Memorial Day in San Jose: is that SiliCon? Kayta had been costuming longer than me, and often helped me fit my muslins, as I helped her fit

Re: [h-cost] Historical Wedding Dresses, Iowa

2011-02-01 Thread Land of Oz
Not that I'm aware of. There are teaching farms and similar types of locations. You may be thinking of another university. At any rate, there is only one Morrill Hall at ISU. Denise B Iowa On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:25:55 -0800 Ginni Morgan ginni.mor...@doj.ca.gov wrote: Are you referring to

Re: [h-cost] his blue coat

2011-02-01 Thread Emily Gilbert
I can't find the reference (which is going to drive me nuts!), but I seem to remember reading somewhere that it was because blue cloth was more expensive to manufacture, so wearing a blue coat told people that you could afford the best. Emily On 1/31/2011 7:53 PM, Hope Greenberg wrote:

Re: [h-cost] his blue coat

2011-02-01 Thread Marie Stewart
After a blistering trip to the Googles: Prussian Blue had been known as a painting pigment as early as 1704, but it was in 1752 the French chemist Pierre J. Macquerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_J._Macquer made the important step of showing the Prussian blue could be reduced to a salt of

Re: [h-cost] Costume Con

2011-02-01 Thread Cin
That would be BayCon. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Marjorie Wilser the3t...@gmail.com wrote: Kayta Barrows was a close friend of mine. She often judged something at  . . . Oh gosh. Forgot the Con name! Memorial Day in San Jose: is that SiliCon?

Re: [h-cost] his blue coat

2011-02-01 Thread AnnBWass
Actually, Prussian blue was discovered in the 18th century and it is a bright, greenish-blue. It is not an aniline dye. The aniline dyes were developed in the 1850s and 60s. Fine wool broadcloth was almost certainly dyed with indigo. It is true that it would take several dippings to

Re: [h-cost] Costume Con

2011-02-01 Thread Marjorie Wilser
How soon we (well, I!) forget! Thanks, Cin! == Marjorie On Feb 1, 2011, at 11:43 AM, Cin wrote: That would be BayCon. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Marjorie Wilser the3t...@gmail.com wrote: Kayta Barrows was a close friend of mine. She often

Re: [h-cost] his blue coat

2011-02-01 Thread Marie Stewart
Hi folks. I must, respectfully, disagree with Ann on a point about the color Prussian Blue Prussian Blue is defined as absorbing wavelengths about around 680 nm, causing it to appear in visible light as approximately 700 THz. Which is a lovely strong blue leaning towards the violet end of the

Re: [h-cost] his blue coat

2011-02-01 Thread michaeljdeib...@gmail.com
Sorry I ant include exact dates as I'm at work and it's a hassle to look it up on my phone! Indigo dyes were around for a long time. However, they were made from extracts of plants. This process was extremely costly for the plants themselves, it took multiple baths in the he in order to reach

Re: [h-cost] his blue coat

2011-02-01 Thread Ruth Anne Baumgartner
Not a vcry scientific or historical comment, but that Prussian Blue was my FAVORITE Crayola crayon, and I hated that it got re-named Midnight. So Wiki is probably right on this. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner On Feb 1, 2011, at 6:04 PM, Marie Stewart wrote: Hi folks. I must, respectfully,

Re: [h-cost] his blue coat

2011-02-01 Thread michaeljdeib...@gmail.com
Sorry, 1860's not 1760's! Michael Deibert OAS AAS LLS Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2011, at 18:04, Marie Stewart maric...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks. I must, respectfully, disagree with Ann on a point about the color Prussian Blue Prussian Blue is defined as absorbing wavelengths about

Re: [h-cost] his blue coat

2011-02-01 Thread Sharon Collier
I don't know if this has any thing to do with it, but woad was the blue used before the discovery of indigo. It smelled so bad that in Elizabethan times, woad dyers had to be located outside of town. Woad is interesting in that in the dye bath, it appears a muddy yellow-green, but when the dyed

Re: [h-cost] Costume Con

2011-02-01 Thread Robin Netherton
On 2/1/2011 6:48 AM, Lisa A Ashton wrote: If you are planning on attending this year's Costume Con in NJ, would you be interested in doing a talk or two? I am the Programming Director for hte con. Your talks are always well-attended and very appreciated. Can't make it that far; so sorry! I

Re: [h-cost] his blue coat

2011-02-01 Thread AnnBWass
By the 18th century, indigo blue was one of the most ubiquitous colors. All kinds of working clothes were solid blue, or blue and white checks or stripes. I grant that the very dark blues may have been a tad more expensive, though, as they had to be dipped several times. And yes, indigo

Re: [h-cost] his blue coat

2011-02-01 Thread AnnBWass
The dyestuff in woad is chemically very similar (in fact, it might be identical, but I can't verify that off-hand) to that in indigo, but woad doesn't contain as much, and, naturally enough, European woad dyers resisted the new fangled indigo. Both woad and indigo are vat dyes--the blue

Re: [h-cost] his blue coat

2011-02-01 Thread michaeljdeib...@gmail.com
Of course there were all shades of blue, but i didn't think they were indigo. Or perhaps is it that while the dye was called indigo, it was only common in shades of blue because a blue hue is more a washed out version of true indigo (which is more violet than blue)? Obviously the rich could

Re: [h-cost] his blue coat

2011-02-01 Thread Land of Oz
All of this is also true about indigo. And no, the color didn't turn back to yellow green when wet, and AFAIK once thoroughly washed the fabric would no longer stink. It is a chemical reaction that when finished is ... finished. Denise On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 15:34:45 -0800 Sharon Collier

Re: [h-cost] his blue coat

2011-02-01 Thread Land of Oz
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 21:54:12 -0500 michaeljdeib...@gmail.com michaeljdeib...@gmail.com wrote: Of course there were all shades of blue, but i didn't think they were indigo. Or perhaps is it that while the dye was called indigo, it was only common in shades of blue because a blue hue is more a

Re: [h-cost] his blue coat

2011-02-01 Thread Lavolta Press
I've always assumed that Lydia merely wanted to know if Wickham would wear military or civilian dress to the wedding (with a preference for civilian). As an army officer he may not have had many civilian suits, since he did not need them that often and did not have much spare cash. Lydia

Re: [h-cost] his blue coat

2011-02-01 Thread Lavolta Press
Of course there were all shades of blue, but i didn't think they were indigo. Or perhaps is it that while the dye was called indigo, it was only common in shades of blue because a blue hue is more a washed out version of true indigo (which is more violet than blue)? Obviously the rich could

Re: [h-cost] his blue coat

2011-02-01 Thread Ann Catelli
Indigo-the-dye-molecule is the main coloring matter extracted from indigo-the-plant and from woad-the-plant. Blue jeans fade, not due to any problems with indigo, but because their blue threads are dipped very quickly into the dye bath out again, so their coloring is all on the outside.

Re: [h-cost] his blue coat

2011-02-01 Thread Marjorie Wilser
I remember a friend talking about dyeing the exactly right color for a historic camel saddle cloth from Afghanistan, a brilliant red that resisted duplication, until *somebody* figured out they had used camel urine for the mordant. Yeh, they had to go collect some. == Marjorie Wilser

[h-cost] Eau de indigo

2011-02-01 Thread Vicki Betts
There's a great little story that comes out from the beginning of the American Civil War, when wearing homespun was the height of Confederate patriotism: The young ladies were all preparing for a grand ball, that was soon to be given, and four of them were going to wear homespun dresses. . . The

Re: [h-cost] his blue coat

2011-02-01 Thread Sharon Collier
And I thought milking a cow was hard. Sharon C. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Marjorie Wilser Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 8:11 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] his blue coat I remember a