Re: [h-cost] Ye olde modern art WAS Research, Primary so on
There are lots of things wrong with the costumes - but who cares?! It looks like fun...though I'd have no idea how to play it. I didn't even know Ubisoft still existed... Sg (who misses Myst type games) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Professional Pleating Services -your experiences?
I have a large amout of fabric I want to get pleated for a particular project I am working on. Have any of you had any luck with a professional pleating service lately? http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/pleating/ Saragracer ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Fabric Pattern, what is it? Was: web pages
Sorry about the no subject email - I hate those! From: wickedf...@msn.com To: therenaissancetai...@yahoogroups.com; h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:10:54 -0700 I think these are reproductions out of Norris, Kohler or one of the books they copied from, but I do have a question about the gown (0br.9 Pánská houpelande )on this page: http://www.kostym.cz/Cesky/III_14_03.htm Does anyone recognize the original painting from which this might have been derived? I am interested in the pattern on the fabric which is reproduced up in the the left hand corner. I'd be curious to find out if it really existed in a painting somewhere. Sg To: therenaissancetai...@yahoogroups.com From: irena.prodelal...@post.cz Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:49:52 +0200 Subject: [TheRenTailor] web pages Hallo, there is interesting web pages with cutts etc. www.kostym.cz Irena ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Middle Eastern pant?
Hi all, I saw a pair of women's pants on someone who couldn't tell me much about them except that they were from a period pattern. They were close fitted from the waist to the hips (sort of yoke I guess). Then the rest which included the legs were like poofy like ballon pants. The bottom of the legs gathered into a button band. The extra fabric to make the legs big was pleated into the front (didnt' get to see the back), but the pleats were focused in about 10-12 inches of the middle lap. The lower leg, from just below the knee was made from a fancy patterned fabric, the rest was silk noil. Can anyone point me to what they might be...? Thanks! Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Middle Eastern pant?
I may have found my answer: http://www.nearseanaturals.com/item.php?id=2162 Sarouelles from India? From: wickedf...@msn.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:40:15 -0700 Subject: [h-cost] Middle Eastern pant? Hi all, I saw a pair of women's pants on someone who couldn't tell me much about them except that they were from a period pattern. They were close fitted from the waist to the hips (sort of yoke I guess). Then the rest which included the legs were like poofy like ballon pants. The bottom of the legs gathered into a button band. The extra fabric to make the legs big was pleated into the front (didnt' get to see the back), but the pleats were focused in about 10-12 inches of the middle lap. The lower leg, from just below the knee was made from a fancy patterned fabric, the rest was silk noil. Can anyone point me to what they might be...? Thanks! Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Middle Eastern pant?
Here are some free patterns: http://www.learnstitching.com/search?q=salwar http://www.learnstitching.com/search/label/CHURIDAR They both look the same at first, but scroll down. Oh and beware the obnoxious videos in the upper right hand corner. You have to turn it off every time you refresh. Sg Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:45:41 -0700 From: maggi...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Middle Eastern pant? Sounds like a modification of one of the Sorouelles from Folkwear. http://folkwear.com/caravan.html MaggiRos Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 Available at your favorite online bookseller See our gallery at http://www.zazzle.com/popinjaypress On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Saragrace Knauf wickedf...@msn.com wrote: Hi all, I saw a pair of women's pants on someone who couldn't tell me much about them except that they were from a period pattern. They were close fitted from the waist to the hips (sort of yoke I guess). Then the rest which included the legs were like poofy like ballon pants. The bottom of the legs gathered into a button band. The extra fabric to make the legs big was pleated into the front (didnt' get to see the back), but the pleats were focused in about 10-12 inches of the middle lap. The lower leg, from just below the knee was made from a fancy patterned fabric, the rest was silk noil. Can anyone point me to what they might be...? Thanks! Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What colors were used Charles du Blois Purpoint?
I wasn't very clear in my request. I have the sewing pattern. The pattern I was refereeing to was the fabric pattern, the colors in the photos are better than what I have. But usually on something this old, the colors now are not what they would have originally been. As to the buttons, if they were reversed, I might offer the idea that he might wear some sort of armor on top of it - the flat buttons being more comfortable than the round...but I have not a clue otherwise. Thanks, Sg Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 00:37:56 -0400 From: ail...@neo.rr.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What colors were used Charles du Blois Purpoint? The buttons down the front are mixed - the one at the very top is flat, the next bunch are balls as are the ones on the sleeves. The ones from about the waist to the bottom of the pourpoint are flat like the one at the top. I can't imagine why they're like that. Kate otsisto otsi...@socket.net wrote: http://tinyurl.com/mkzpm9 http://gambesons.com/design Interesting, this shows that the buttons down the front are not the same shape as the ones on the sleeve. http://tinyurl.com/mj4bws this has a pattern. De -Original Message- Now that I have some really great close ups of the fabric, does anyone now what color(s) it was supposed to be? Thanks, Sg From: wickedf...@msn.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Really close up of Charles du Blois Purpoint? Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:40:08 -0700 I was asked today to make one of these purpoints - given the recent discussion on reproduction prints, does anyone know of any really up close photos of the print on the fabric of this garment? It sure would be fun to recreate it that way! Thanks, Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What colors were used Charles du Blois Purpoint?
Thanks!
From: alt...@alfalfapress.com
To: h-cost...@indra.com; h-cost...@indra.com
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:08:51 -0500
Subject: Re: [h-cost] What colors were used Charles du Blois Purpoint?
My notes are at home, but I seem to remember that the pourpoint was made of
silk damask fabric. The woven pattern consists of a heraldic design with lions
and eagles (?) in roundels. The color was either red with gold thread or gold
with gold thread. I can check later today.
Althea
On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 05:48:13 -0700, Saragrace Knauf wrote
I wasn't very clear in my request. I have the sewing pattern. The
pattern I was refereeing to was the fabric pattern, the colors in
the photos are better than what I have. But usually on something
this old, the colors now are not what they would have originally been.
As to the buttons, if they were reversed, I might offer the idea
that he might wear some sort of armor on top of it - the flat
buttons being more comfortable than the round...but I have not a
clue otherwise.
Thanks,
Sg
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 00:37:56 -0400
From: ail...@neo.rr.com
To: h-cost...@indra.com
Subject: Re: [h-cost] What colors were used Charles du Blois Purpoint?
The buttons down the front are mixed - the one at the very top is flat,
the next bunch are balls as are the ones on the sleeves. The ones from about
the waist to the bottom of the pourpoint are flat like the one at the top. I
can't imagine why they're like that.
Kate
otsisto otsi...@socket.net wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/mkzpm9
http://gambesons.com/design
Interesting, this shows that the buttons down the front are not the same
shape as the ones on the sleeve.
http://tinyurl.com/mj4bws
this has a pattern.
De
-Original Message-
Now that I have some really great close ups of the fabric, does anyone
now
what color(s) it was supposed to be?
Thanks,
Sg
From: wickedf...@msn.com
To: h-cost...@indra.com
Subject: Really close up of Charles du Blois Purpoint?
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:40:08 -0700
I was asked today to make one of these purpoints - given the recent
discussion on reproduction prints, does anyone know of any really up
close
photos of the print on the fabric of this garment? It sure would be
fun
to recreate it that way!
Thanks,
Sg
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[h-cost] What colors were used Charles du Blois Purpoint?
Now that I have some really great close ups of the fabric, does anyone now what color(s) it was supposed to be? Thanks, Sg From: wickedf...@msn.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Really close up of Charles du Blois Purpoint? Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:40:08 -0700 I was asked today to make one of these purpoints - given the recent discussion on reproduction prints, does anyone know of any really up close photos of the print on the fabric of this garment? It sure would be fun to recreate it that way! Thanks, Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Tracking your projects
Cool! Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 18:24:44 -0700 From: maggi...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Tracking your projects Kimiko turned me on to this servicce the other day, and it's really great for getting organized. Also it's aimed specifically at historical costumers, so we're all in good company. Check it out! http://www.projectarchive.org/ MaggiRos Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html See our gallery at http://www.zazzle.com/popinjaypress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress
When you say Late Elizabethan, what do you mean by time period? And do you necessarily mean English? I have inserted a link below which is Italian, which is what was brought to my mind when you said fancy roll. Saragrace http://www.allposters.com/gallery.asp?aid=85097apnum=1347911LinkTypeID=1PosterTypeID=1DestType=7Referrer%20=http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/bacchiacca_francesco.html From: sha...@collierfam.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:37:18 -0700 Subject: [h-cost] late Elizabethan headdress I am looking for a picture or instructions for a late Elizabethan headdress. I do not want the French hood that covers the ears, rather I am looking for the fancy roll that sits further back on the head. I believe these were attached to a caul, but I'm not sure. Any advice/ideas/pictures/links would be appreciated. Sharon C. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] The meaning of hand position in art - OT?
Well, I guess this could be considered OT - or mannerisms are a part of fashion - I know someone here knows this...where or how do I find information on the hand positions in artwork??? These are a few links below for examples...the one I was really thinking of was where the hand is held up and the forefinger touches the thumbof course I can't find a picture of it right now. It seems to me that I remember it as a typical gesture in the paintings of Christ and/or the Madonna. http://www.viewbuildings.com/simages/isleham-full.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/Jan_van_Eyck_001.jpg Thanks in advance! Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] These are pretty cool!
http://www.costumecavalcade.co.uk/index.htm For such a small scale this lady has captured the essence of the periods.. Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Really close up of Charles du Blois Purpoint?
I have replied off list - Thank you very much! Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:12:40 -0500 To: h-cost...@indra.com From: bmat...@windstream.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Really close up of Charles du Blois Purpoint? Saragrace, I have some closeups that clearly show the textile. I can sent you (offlist) a full frontal at 3MB for the jpg or just a detail of the pattern unit as a much smaller file. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Really close up of Charles du Blois Purpoint?
I was asked today to make one of these purpoints - given the recent discussion on reproduction prints, does anyone know of any really up close photos of the print on the fabric of this garment? It sure would be fun to recreate it that way! Thanks, Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Wine! Was: - Dyeing linen wool blend
Now that is a cool idea!Thanks! From: sha...@collierfam.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:15:54 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] update - Dyeing linen wool blend Or try wine. Everyone complains that it is so hard to get out a wine stain, why not use that to your advantage? And on the pink, it might turn out really nice. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Dyeing linen wool blend
Aha! This is the kind of help I usually getthank you very much! I will look into this further...but I must admit the wine idea may be the simplest! :) From: joan.mielke.y...@comcast.net To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:44:51 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyeing linen wool blend I'm sorry to hear that Sg had such awful luck with Dharma customer service. I asked them the exact same question last year and this is the response that I got. Joan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Dyeing linen wool blend
Hi all, I bought this beutiful linen wool blend fabric (pale pink) with the intention of dyeing it a darker color. I use procion dyes on linen with great success, but am a little leery of using it on wool. I wrote dharma, who usually has great suggestions, but this time the customer rep wasn't encouraging: hello, thank your for contacting dharma trading co., procion w/ soda ash can roughen wool, but is still the best dye for linen. I would recommend that rather than idye for natural fibers, since idye can fade with every wash. there is always the danger of damaging a garment by dyeing it. I would only proceed if I was willing to risk ruining the garment. As I pasted this response, I realize I was reading it as - Don't try either method unless you are willing to risk ruining the garment but maybe what he meant was: use the procion, it is safe (though it may do funny things in the wool) but don't use idye products. What would you guys do??? Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] update - Dyeing linen wool blend
I was dyeing some linen today, so I decided to put a small piece of the pink wool/linen in with it (using procion). Not good news. It became very clear that the fabric is half wool half linen with the threads of both weft and warp made up of a strand of each. The linen absorbed the dye beautifully, the wool not at all. And it fulled up and left a fuzz of pink wool on the surface. So maybe the question is: what does one do with 8 yards of pretty pink fabricI know there is pink in pre 17th century stuff (which is what I do mostly) but not this shade. SighI will have to do further testing with different dyes... Thank you for your suggestions! If you have any more I am all ears! Sg Further more, it I hope the OP has enough yardage for sampling, because this is a prime case for it! I would dye swatches. Use cellulosic dye, acid dye (for protein) and something like Rit. And do all of them in several colors and strengths. Rit can be done successfully if you follow the directions closely and monitor the fabric throughout the process. It is also lightfast and wash fast in most colors (as much as any other dye) if the directions are followed carefully and the article is rinsed thoroughly. You might want to talk to a natural dyer and see about doing some samples in a natural dye bath - depending on what color you want in the end. The other factor is to determine if the linen/wool blend is the result of alternating yarns in the weave, or if it's a true blend of linen and wool fibers in the yarn that is uniform across the entire product. Each will give a slightly different look when dyed. Denise B Iowa ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Stitching on ruffs
This is curious - someone else mentioned to me the other day that they had read in Janet Arnold's new book, POF4 that the ruffs were never stitched to hold the folds in shape. (She cited the back part of the book where starching and shaping was described.) I reread that section and could see that the ruff they were working with, indeed was not sewn with stitches, but I didn't see anything that said they were never sewn. Are you citing something you have read? Sg Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 20:39:41 +0200 To: h-cost...@indra.com From: h.zickerm...@gmx.de Subject: [h-cost] Stitching on ruffs Hello, has anyone ever seen a ruff that really had the stitching along the outer edge to keep the 8s in shape? Period Costume for Stage and Screen even suggests embellishing the ruff with beads on top of these stitches, but I feel they are just a theatrical neccessity as the ruffs are not properly starched and must keep their shapes in nylon material. Or is there evidence that these stitches would have been used as a decorative feature as well and that they are documentable? Thank you, Hanna ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Stitching on ruffs
I'd agree with you here. It kinda makes sense that it would develop that way- Started out as just a frill on a cuff or neckband and then got increasingly more complicated. I have made them both ways - for very different looks. I made a reproduction of this gown http://www.phxart.org/slideshow/index.html#/COL/72157606055619396/2650051503/ and sewed the pleats into place. At the time I wondered if they would have done it that way - not sure how or if they would have laundered it. I also used horsehair braid in the edge to maintain the shape since it was made out of silk organza - I wouldn't count this approach out. Horsehair braid really was made out of horsehair at some point - (some interfacing still has goat hair in it.) And one of my favorite quotes from a professional historian is: If you thought of it, they probably did too!! (I also sprayed it with acrylic spray rather than starching it - it was going to the museum, and I figured it would be better from a dust standpoint) I think in the POF book they showed this type of ruff in one picture where there were two different methods used. One where the attachment to the neckband was cartridge pleated and butted up to the band, and one where it looked like the pleats were flattened and attached into the seam line. You could tell because the latter provided more space for the wearer. Sg Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:09:29 -0700 From: kay...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stitching on ruffs IMHO, they're not folded and stitched onto a wide neckband till the early 1600s. I cite as evidence those portraits of Mary, Queen of Scots, which show her ruff from two different angles. I think earlier ones are tightly gathered at the seam at the top of the neck band, heavily starched, and goffered into place with a hot iron. That's why the earlier ones are narrower at the neck edge, and why the later ones are so head on a plate. On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.dewrote: Not really read, but it´s the technique described in Period Patterns for Stage and Screen. I always liked the way the ruffs turned out, but I´m beginning to doubt the historical accuracy of the technique, so I thought I´d ask here. Hanna At 21:18 09.04.2009, you wrote: This is curious - someone else mentioned to me the other day that they had read in Janet Arnold's new book, POF4 that the ruffs were never stitched to hold the folds in shape. (She cited the back part of the book where starching and shaping was described.) I reread that section and could see that the ruff they were working with, indeed was not sewn with stitches, but I didn't see anything that said they were never sewn. Are you citing something you have read? Sg Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 20:39:41 +0200 To: h-cost...@indra.com From: h.zickerm...@gmx.de Subject: [h-cost] Stitching on ruffs Hello, has anyone ever seen a ruff that really had the stitching along the outer edge to keep the 8s in shape? Period Costume for Stage and Screen even suggests embellishing the ruff with beads on top of these stitches, but I feel they are just a theatrical neccessity as the ruffs are not properly starched and must keep their shapes in nylon material. Or is there evidence that these stitches would have been used as a decorative feature as well and that they are documentable? Thank you, Hanna ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- Blank paper is God's way of saying it ain't so easy being God. -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] State of: RE: New York fabric shopping
I haven't been to LA in a few years, but was in NY in 06 - and I was probably one of the people who echoed disappointment. I also recall saying that I liked LA better - What I found in NY was that each store had something a little different and some of it was really cool, but it took more time to grub around, and the prices weren't that great. I don't know what it was like before, but most of the stores are tiny shops crammed with fabric... The information kiosk for the garment district wasn't manned the whole time I was there. You need to plan for at least one business day besides a Friday, and be sure to check out when some of the ethnic holidays are. Many of the shops are closed on those days. Sg From: syl...@ntw.net Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 20:48:26 -0600 To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] New York fabric shopping I haven't been following this NY shopping thread, since I never go there, but it brings up a question for me. I heard a year or two back, that fabric shopping in the big cities isn't what it used to be. If I take on a new design job I've just been offered, I may have to travel to L.A. to shop for it. I recall someone saying that the garment district doesn't have all the good jobbers it used to. True or not? Sylvia R On Apr 3, 2009, at 8:42 PM, Susan Carroll-Clark wrote: Thanks everyone for all the suggestions so far. I'm getting psyched, and believe it or not, so is my husband (who was dubious about the time we allotted on the schedule for fabric shopping, until he realized there was stuff HE was looking for...) Susan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New York fabric shopping
I think this might be the store you are talking about: http://www.graylinelinen.com/ How'd I miss it when I was there? Sg Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:17:47 -0400 From: scarrollcl...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] New York fabric shopping Robin Betzhold wrote: My favorite stores are all the hole in the wall places on 39th between 7th and 8th. My personal favorite store has been having a going out of business sale for the past 3 years...there is one store that sells nothing but 100% linen and they have some neat finds. of business Susan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Russian Peasant dress prior to 17th century?
Ah ha! Thank you. I had seen the Kennedy book in OLC, but bad, prejudiced me, I thought - Jackie Kennedy wrote anything worth reading??? Looking at Tilke right now - very cool. So far, there are pictures and hints that this type of dress was typical up to the 20th century...looks like I will have to dig further to see if I can find any hard evidence to show it actually existed before the 18th century. Thank you very much for the lead! Sg To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:35:47 + From: rmitch...@staff.washjeff.edu Subject: Re: [h-cost] Russian Peasant dress prior to 17th century? You might start with the Jackie Kennedy volume on Russian costume. It includes many photos of folk costume from Russian regions. I would also check Tilke for Russian regional dress. Kathleen -Original Message- From: K?the Barrows kay...@gmail.com Sent 3/31/2009 5:43:12 AM To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Russian Peasant dress prior to 17th century?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarafan I have made all the body parts and faces for this doll: http://www.smallwork.com/babayaga.html While I love the style, I'd like to dress her in clothing which is earlier than (what I understand) 18th and 19th century peasant costume is. I am having difficulty finding artwork and/or resources to do that with. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- Blank paper is God's way of saying it ain't so easy being God. -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-cost...@mail.indra.comhttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ?? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Russian Peasant dress prior to 17th century?
I will check her out. I was just able to purchase this: Max Tilke Folk Costume Patterns from Russa, Asia and the Greek Urals. I don't know how far back they go but the pictures were awesome! Thanks for all your suggestions! Sg To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:51:37 + From: rmitch...@staff.washjeff.edu Subject: Re: [h-cost] Russian Peasant dress prior to 17th century? Sara, have you seen any of Alessandra Thor's original work? She is a Russian dollmaker originally connected with the Seeley clan. I find her folk dolls to be awesome...and she often dresses them in Old Time garb. -Original Message- From: Saragrace Knauf wickedf...@msn.com Sent 3/31/2009 10:14:02 AM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Russian Peasant dress prior to 17th century?Ah ha! Thank you. I had seen the Kennedy book in OLC, but bad, prejudiced me, I thought - Jackie Kennedy wrote anything worth reading??? Looking at Tilke right now - very cool. So far, there are pictures and hints that this type of dress was typical up to the 20th century...looks like I will have to dig further to see if I can find any hard evidence to show it actually existed before the 18th century. Thank you very much for the lead! Sg To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:35:47 + From: rmitch...@staff.washjeff.edu Subject: Re: [h-cost] Russian Peasant dress prior to 17th century? You might start with the Jackie Kennedy volume on Russian costume. It includes many photos of folk costume from Russian regions. I would also check Tilke for Russian regional dress. Kathleen -Original Message- From: K?the Barrows kay...@gmail.com Sent 3/31/2009 5:43:12 AM To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Russian Peasant dress prior to 17th century?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarafan I have made all the body parts and faces for this doll: http://www.smallwork.com/babayaga.html While I love the style, I'd like to dress her in clothing which is earlier than (what I understand) 18th and 19th century peasant costume is. I am having difficulty finding artwork and/or resources to do that with. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- Blank paper is God's way of saying it ain't so easy being God. -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-cost...@mail.indra.comhttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ?? ___ h-costume mailing list h-cost...@mail.indra.comhttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ?? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Russian Peasant dress prior to 17th century?
I have made all the body parts and faces for this doll: http://www.smallwork.com/babayaga.html While I love the style, I'd like to dress her in clothing which is earlier than (what I understand) 18th and 19th century peasant costume is. I am having difficulty finding artwork and/or resources to do that with. I understand that secular art wasn't real big earlier...anyone got any pointers? I put Russian in quotes because I am open to anything that was part of that country or nearby. Thanks! Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] boning order, want to share?
I haven't done the math, but it might be less expensive for you to have one of us buy here and ship it to you...you probably won't have to buy so much! Sg Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:46:24 -0300 From: sjpater...@eastlink.ca To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] boning order, want to share? FYI I am not sure on shipping rates but we North American's have Greenberg Hammer that sell bones by the pound (rolls) as well as by the piece in rigid steel and spirals.. http://www.greenberg-hammer.com Sarah Paterson/ Bess Darnley - Original Message - Hi, I will be ordering these items from Wissner and wanted to know if any of you would like to share. I have to buy at least 200 meters of each boning type and I'm not sure if I can use it. plastic bones, endless, 7.0 x 1.0, 0,264eur/m (approx. $0.356/m) spiral steel bones, endless, 7 x 0.75, 0,40eur/m (approx. $0.54/m) spring steel bones, endless, 6.5 x 0.4, 0,42eur/m (approx. $0.57/m) maybe this (if someone wants to share this, well, I have to buy 2000 pieces): spiral wire end caps, 7mm, 0,0130eur/m The prices may get a bit higher as I'll have to pay the shipping, but I don't think that'll be such a big deal. The only problem is I am from Czech Republic, EU, so the shipping to UK or America will be somewhere between 10-25 dollars, depending on the weight of the package. The reason I'm ordering these bones is that I haven't found them anywhere else, at least not these widths and thicknesses (I'm speaking about the plastic and spring steel bones). In my experience, the 7mm bones are excellent for corset making, all the bones are stiff but still flexible (thicknesses 1mm for plastic and 0.4mm for spring steel are ideal). I'll be happy if I find some co-buyers:-) Zuzana ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Pointed front kirtle - 1435 ~ 1450??
I am looking at Hunnisett Medieval -1500 and wondering about her justification for having a pointed front kirtle. She seems to be using the Magdalene portrait as her example... www.navigo.com/wm/paint/auth/weyden/magdalen.jpg She uses these to images to justify that the skirt is cut separately from the bodice http://www.wga.hu/preview/w/weyden/rogier/05sevens/2sevens3.jpg http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/1/13/1231861275475/Gallery-prado-on-google-e-004.jpg - which I agree with. Has anyone seen images where a point is visible in the front of this type of dress? Thanks Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Need help with wool Was: Arnolfi gown - fabric
Sorry about the cross posts, and mildly inappropriate topic for some groups, but I need help with what to do with this wool - if I should use it etc. I have posted a journal entry which better describes the issue and has links to some pictures. http://wickedfrau.livejournal.com/1589.html Thanks in advance to anyone who can help! From: wickedf...@msn.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:59:35 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Arnolfi gown - fabric Hmmm, I think what I have is a very fine twill wool suiting. I just washed a four inch square and only got 7/8 shrinkage (only along the length). I am a little worried that it won't be fuzzy enoughit looks so soft in the picture. This, even when pinked maintains it's structure very well. I washed the sample in hot water and dried it on high heatI know its wool...I burn tested itbut it just wants to look very neat and modern... Ah! Sg I thought this dress demanded a very fine, rather lightweight material in order to make the pleating work. Cindy Abel ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Arnolfini Pleats/dagges WAS: Need help with wool
Wow, this is weird - I didn't send this message today - I was surprised to see it But anyway, I appreciate the feedback. I am waiting on several more swatches of other woolens...not sure yet what I will do about the fabric. But if you are interested, here is some stuff on the pleat mock ups. http://wickedfrau.livejournal.com/3806.html From: wickedf...@msn.com Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:04:29 -0700 Subject: [h-cost] Need help with wool Was: Arnolfi gown - fabric Sorry about the cross posts, and mildly inappropriate topic for some groups, but I need help with what to do with this wool - if I should use it etc. I have posted a journal entry which better describes the issue and has links to some pictures. http://wickedfrau.livejournal.com/1589.html Thanks in advance to anyone who can help! http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Arnolfi dags and pleats
Dear Rebecca, I see the SCA in your future: :) ...I started at Ren Fests too and am having about 100 times more fun there... Anyway - the pleats. I haven't done the mockup yet, but I will probably try Jean Hunnisetts method which is a series of strips (I think - she shows an example them cut in a strip and a pattern of how they attach) of box pleats. I am not entirely convinced yet, but I will start there and fiddle till I am happy - may be next year before I am happy. I think I will be going through a lot of wool in the mean time Sg From: zearti...@hotmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 18:35:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Arnolfi dags and pleats I looked at the picture for a while. Are these hanging from the sleeve like a thick fringe or sewn to some type of fabric and that hangs from the lower edge? I think that if it's just hanging there it might turn all which-a-way and not look right. I'm interested in how this is done. I know the site tells how to cut the effect but not how to attach it. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] link??? Was: Large family
What post was this in reply to??? I must have missed the link...but I would bet your are looking at some donor picture where they painted every kid they ever had - even if it died young. Sg From: la...@hotmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:11:00 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Large family (Was Mary I -- FOUND) There is the old saying that Bach had 20 children because his organ had no stops Laurie From: zearti...@hotmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 21:49:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mary I -- FOUND ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Large family-Original post
Oh yeah - donor picture I'd bet. It really isn't as unusual as it sounds. My own great grand mother had 18 kids - I think they all survived too! From: la...@hotmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:40:30 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Large family-Original post Sorry Saragrace, I guess I trimmed too much... Laurie From: zearti...@hotmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 21:49:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mary I -- FOUND WOW what a family! Do you think they are all the main couple's kids or some of the married children's kids included. I don't know anything about this portrait. I count 20 kids but not sure. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Period Impressions 411 Lucy
Which dress, where??? Sg Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:40:20 +1100 From: aylwe...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Period Impressions 411 Lucy Has anyone here made this dress?I am looking for finished examples, and it is NOT reviewed at http://www.gbacg.org/great-pattern-review/period-impressions.html Any comments to share before I cut the fabric? Bye for now, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academy music ~ dancing ~ sewing ~ patterns ~ books 1480s - 1890s : Renaissance to Victorian http://www.earthlydelights.com.au ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Need input on pleat size WAS: Need help with wool
I have posted pictures and a journal entry here: http://wickedfrau.livejournal.com/1966.html http://pics.livejournal.com/wickedfrau/pic/3fze/g8 (Picture is here) I am wondering how big those dags and pleats areHunnisett thinks they are only 2 square. What do you think? Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Arnolfi dags and pleats
This is cool - another alternative to Hunnisett's method. From: zearti...@hotmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:29:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Arnolfi dags and pleats Didn't know what dagging was so I looked it up. Found lots about the painting but only this one on the technique: http://jauncourt.i8.com/dagges/index.htm Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Flemish Dress
I interlined my under dress down to about the hip level with sturdy canvas - I also have done this with cotouil. I also interlined the outer gown bodice and put pieces of sprung steel boning down the front edgesworked great! http://www.saragrace.net/saragraceUS/2A_Cost_by_sg.htm Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:13:48 -0500 From: jaur...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flemish Dress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Arnolfi gown - Hunnisett
I have this book and have looked at it for reference. I am fiddling right now with the box pleat decorations...wish me luck! I wonder how many deep there are. That sleeve looks wicked heavy and the wool I have, though fine, is heavy already. Sg From: viv.watk...@virgin.net To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:46:58 + Subject: Re: [h-cost] What kind of fur would you use for this? I looked up Jean Hunnisett because I remember her saying she had made the Arnolfini dress. She includes the dress in Period Costume for Stage and Screen: Medieval - 1500 but doesn't say what fur she used. You might be interested in her comments, bearing in mind (as she always said) that her costumes are for stage and TV. Viv. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Breast Cancer Awareness: Quilted Bras
It'll be history some day! Its is very cool - what fun! Thanks for sharing! From: vm...@cox.net To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:28:35 -0500 Subject: [h-cost] Breast Cancer Awareness: Quilted Bras This was sent to me by a friend, and I thought you guys would appreciate it as well. Not exactly historical (sorry!) but certainly important and worth sharing. ::Linda:: Members of Quilters of South Carolina have created one-of-a-kind bras for Breast Cancer Awareness. The exhibit consists of 49 original works of art which are unique, entertaining, humorous, and beautiful to make the public aware of breast cancer, to memorialize those lost to the disease, and to honor survivors. Be sure to click on page 2 to see the entire collection. http://www.quiltersofsc.org/artfullbras/artfullbras.htm ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Arnolfi gown - fabric
Hmmm, I think what I have is a very fine twill wool suiting. I just washed a four inch square and only got 7/8 shrinkage (only along the length). I am a little worried that it won't be fuzzy enoughit looks so soft in the picture. This, even when pinked maintains it's structure very well. I washed the sample in hot water and dried it on high heatI know its wool...I burn tested itbut it just wants to look very neat and modern... Ah! Sg I thought this dress demanded a very fine, rather lightweight material in order to make the pleating work. Cindy Abel ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] [TheRenTailor] Image piracy - Anyone know who this is?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Muslin-Bum-Roll-Bustle-Renaissance-Fair-Pirate-SCA-SALE_W0QQitemZ330311003999QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item330311003999_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=72:1205|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318|301:1|293:1|294:50 Or go to ebay and search on 330311003999 She has taken mine down now and has taken someone else's image. I have contacted that company and am exchanging emails with Ebays security stuff. Sg To: h-cost...@indra.com; therenaissancetai...@yahoogroups.com From: wickedf...@msn.com Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:23:07 -0700 Subject: [TheRenTailor] Image piracy - Anyone know who this is? Anyone know who this is? She is using photos from various historic costuming sites (including mine) without permission. I and several others have reported her to ebay and she has been extreeemly nasty about it. Saragrace __._,_.___ This egroup is based on the website http://www.vertetsable.com - more commonly known as The Renaissance Tailor; Recreating 16th and 17th Century Clothing. Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] What kind of fur would you use for this?
I am about to embark on a Arnolfi Wedding dress. http://tinyurl.com/creey OR http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/cgi-bin/WebObjects.dll/CollectionPublisher.woa/wa/work?workNumber=NG186 I have 12 yards of the bright green woolit weighs a ton! It looks like that will just barely squeeze by as enough. What kind of fur does it look like to you? I am pretty sure I can't afford that much Ermineif that is what it is. Unless it is REALLY good faux fur, I don't want to use it. I am almost more inclined to use a natural color of velvet --thinking rayon/silk What would you do? Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What kind of fur would you use for this?
Really? It looks white to mewhat am I missing? I'd definately only be trimming...too frickin' hot otherwise. I think she's wearing gris, or, the gray backs of squirrel with the white trimmed off. Squirrel is a fairly low-pile fur, shorter than rabbit. An actual squirrel skin is about $5 or so. Me myself I'd just trim with it and not line the entire garment (although it almost certainly *is* fully lined with fur) and line the rest of the garment with lightweight linen or something along those lines. Jen/pixel/Margaret ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Rabbit - was: What kind of fur would you use for this?
Someone told me that rabbit (and cat) are one of the few furs that sheds and is a terrible mess? Anyone have that experience? Sg From: be...@softwareinnovation.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:17:56 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] What kind of fur would you use for this? I had a look with the zoom feature- you can almost see the links in the necklace and the stitches in that 4-layer head veil, but the fur is curiously fuzzy- I would think a pale type of beaver? Or if you could lay your hands on actual german angora bunny pelts, that might be a close approximation without the expense of winter weasel fur(with or without tails) Just my .02 Lira, Betsy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Image piracy - Anyone know who this is?
Well, she did take it down! I also had sent her an email telling her to take it down and that I had reported her to Ebay. She hasn't responded to me at all. She has a different image now up - wonder if it belongs to her or not. Sg Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 05:08:06 -0500 From: cvir...@thibault.org To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Image piracy - Anyone know who this is? Got a response! I asked: *Dear witchesbrewha,* The red one looks rather different than the other picture; are the green and white ones for sale also? And received: *Dear C,* smaller ones are for sale, I will remove the picture is is confusing people. - witchesbrewha ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Mary I ???
http://z.about.com/d/womenshistory/1/0/Y/Q/2/mary_i_tudor_holbein_001a.jpg Anyone seen this one before - the image name indicates it is a Holbein?? Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Image piracy - Anyone know who this is?
Anyone know who this is? She is using photos from various historic costuming sites (including mine) without permission. I and several others have reported her to ebay and she has been extreeemly nasty about it. Saragrace ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Image piracy - Anyone know who this is?
Oops - www.ebay.com Ebay Item number : 330311003999 The second picture is a crop of mine: http://saragrace.net/images/Elizabeth/Farthingale/images/BumrollProgression.jpg Yesterday it had the full image. Sg Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:42:50 -0500 From: cvir...@thibault.org To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Image piracy - Anyone know who this is? Saragrace Knauf wrote: Anyone know who this is? She is using photos from various historic costuming sites (including mine) without permission. I and several others have reported her to ebay and she has been extreeemly nasty about it. Alas, the link or attached example was lost -- could you resend? (Am now very curious!) -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Rustic vacation cottage for summer rent on the shore of Maine! http://www.virtue.to/cottages ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT-Equus heads and hooves
My dad did a production of this many years ago. I probably won't be able to explain it well. The heads and hooves were made from metal rod. They looked like cages - all the rods running vertically - no squares. The hoof parts fit the foot like a pair of skates and were at least a foot tall and were heavy enough that they could stomp them. The actors wore all black. If I remember correctly the eyes glowed - otherwise the metal was all black. Eeery - perfect! Sg From: pinn...@mccc.edu To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:34:05 -0500 Subject: [h-cost] OT-Equus heads and hooves Anyone have good sources/instructions/suggestions for making the heads and hooves for the horses in Equus? I think I can probably figure out the heads. It's the hooves that I worry about. When you do chopines, how do you keep them on your feet? --that's kind of what the hooves are? Kate ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Image piracy - Anyone know who this is?
You guys are the best! Tee Hee! From: ricka...@muc.edu To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:23:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Image piracy - Anyone know who this is? I was about to do the same thing. Let me know what she says. ;-) Patty From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cynthia Virtue [cvir...@thibault.org] Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 4:19 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Image piracy - Anyone know who this is? Oh, my! Yes, that is quite a difference. I in all innocence asked her about the difference between the two images; I'll tell you if she says anything. ;) cv ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic?
No problem - I ended up going back to some of my own research which meshes very nicely with some of the stuff in the links you sent. Sg Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:54:17 -0800 From: reginalaws...@gmail.com To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic? I'm sorry. I didn't mean to be snarky. I hit send before I realized I didn't finish the thought. The combo of garments suggests a generic medieval feel. There is a great resource of extant garments at http://www.kostym.cz/. I have to work up a outfit for my guy soon, and I will be using this site to help guide me to authentic styles and patterns, as it is right out of my period of study. Regina in L.A. Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:49:21 -0800 That is S.C.A. A.D.2000, actually. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic?
Yes, I understand that - I posted the original image link. I was looking for someone who could tell me what the attempted period, country was so that I could research it further. Thanks Sg Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:49:21 -0800 From: reginalaws...@gmail.com To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic? That is S.C.A. A.D.2000, actually. The picture is from an SCA Photo Album web page. http://sca.berkeley.edu/album/2003_00_and_previous_years/imagelist.html Ever, Regina in L.A. Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:11:36 -0700 From: Saragrace Knauf wickedf...@msn.com Subject: [h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic? Can anyone tell me what the guy in the blue tunic is wearing? I guess that would be Rahim ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic?
Ah ha! That was what I thought - thank you. One of the details I am interested in is the side kick pleat The baggy trousers and boots might imply the wearer is aiming for Russ Viking, but a Russ tunic would have wide skirts rather than a split. http://tinyurl.com/cjb8dt Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:33:15 + From: anne.montgome...@googlemail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Gore training: was: What period/country etc is this tunic ?
No, not at all! I appreciated all the help I can get! Sg From: seamst...@juno.com Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 21:44:58 + To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gore training: was: What period/country etc is this tunic ? I find that putting simple gores in the sides of tunics tends to create the look without any effort on my part. The type of fabrics used in this style tends to have alot of body and the front and back pieces maintain their shape (relativley speaking) whihc forces the gores to sort of fold up and look 'pleaty'. Am I getting too technical? :) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Gore training: was: What period/country etc is this tunic?
Oh thank you! That is very helpful - both the link to Marc's pages and the ifurther information on construction. I am not sure I understand this sentence: When you make a centre-split tunic, you just miss out the front and back gores. Thank you for the pointers! Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 21:38:00 + From: anne.montgome...@googlemail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gore training: was: What period/country etc is this tunic? I think it has just fallen into a pleat because of the way he has hiked the tunic up into his belt, and the fact that the trim looks to be stiffer than the main fabric, so it folds rather than gathering or rippling. It might also have a fold in the trim from how he has kept it in the cupboard! The standard pattern for an early medieval tunic or dress (exactly the same except for length) is a four-gore t-tunic, like the Nockert Type 1 on Marc Carlson's pages http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/cloth/tunics.html (be warned, some of the links on these pages no longer work). When you make a centre-split tunic, you just miss out the front and back gores. And it's really hard to make the split hang straight. You need the side gores for movement, but when he stands still, the centre either crosses or hangs open. Tweaking it with the belt is the only option, and if the front goes right, the sides will go wrong. Jean Saragrace Knauf wrote: Hmm, I can see what you are saying. You'd have to train the gore to lie like that right? I mean when I put a gore in it usually doesn't fold up on itself like that. This looks like it comes to a point on the outside and the underlying fabric is tucked back underneath it like a pleat almost creating a facing for the slit/point. Now, on the other hand, I recently draped some wool where it did just this. The only reason I am pushing the point, is I like the look but am suspicious of the authenticity of the way it is made/looks. Sg From: seamst...@juno.com Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:07:21 + To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic? That wouldnt be a 'kick pleat'. The tunic probably has a gore(s) set into the side seam. When it's hanging down, it can give the appearanced of a pleat. Karen Seamstrix -- Saragrace Knauf wickedf...@msn.com wrote: Ah ha! That was what I thought - thank you. One of the details I am interested in is the side kick pleat The baggy trousers and boots might imply the wearer is aiming for Russ Viking, but a Russ tunic would have wide skirts rather than a split. http://tinyurl.com/cjb8dt Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:33:15 + From: anne.montgome...@googlemail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Click to learn about options trading and get the latest information. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIzQaa3eDfz0DZR7g3rroygQeciFEEjpy6u49XElEmyuWNwp6GTcc/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic?
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you! I was beginning to believe I wasn't going to get an answer! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic?
Can anyone tell me what the guy in the blue tunic is wearing? I guess that would be Rahim http://tinyurl.com/brvg4j http://sca.berkeley.edu/album/2003_00_and_previous_years/2000_Spring_-__Tabling_on_Sproul_Plaza_-_From_left_to_right_Sarah__Moshe__Faisal__Rahim__H_Sm.jpg.3.html Thanks Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Ikat - Was: Vietnamese loom
And it even is period in Europe - I am on my way out of town - I'll have to look for the pictures when I get home. Seems I have a picture somewhere of a young boy in it in the 15th or 16th century Europeand of course later in the 18th/19th. Sg Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 02:09:22 -0500 To: h-cost...@indra.com From: webwar...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vietnamese loom At Sat, 7 Feb 2009 11:47:37 +1100, stils...@netspace.net.au wrote: ...You can vary the thread for colour as you go but, amazingly in Bali, I saw thread pre-dyed at various points so as to create a regular pattern. I would give twenty zillion dollars for my brane to remember the term for this technique but it is 115 degrees here and I am not about to go thinking. Still, the pattern is fantastic, a little blurred at the edges due to the in-exact way the pattern comes out. I believe that technique is called ikat. Brenda webwar...@earthlink.net Help support a cure for diabetes -- visit my JDRF walk page at http://walk.jdrf.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=extranet.personalpageconfirmid=87065186 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Elephant's Breath and London Smoke Now Available
Through Amazon.com...but you better hurry. I only see two copies so far!
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[h-cost] Yahoo group: WAS: Pics of taffeta:
Okay, I am a rock. I can't find the group on Yahoocan someone point me there? Thanks, Sg Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 20:44:07 -0600 From: ro...@netherton.net To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pics of taffeta: ladybeanofbun...@aol.com wrote: I went onto the yahoo group that was recommended, the one which has been established for h-list members to use for posting and am still awaiting a confirmation or approval to the group so... ready when they are to start loading the pics there so I can then email the links here. I heard from Danielle today; she noticed the influx of membership requests. I expect she has everyone approved by now. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] White/gold plaid taffeta:
I think I am not getting most of the related emails either...pooh. Sg From: ricka...@muc.edu To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 08:51:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] White/gold plaid taffeta: I'm not getting pictures with any of these. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Google Earth and art museums
Were you able to get it to work? I tried the google earth link but just got the roof of the the prado. BTW, I couldn't get to it just using prado museum. You have to add Spain to the search. Sg Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:25:13 -0800 From: mary_m_haselba...@yahoo.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Google Earth and art museums I saw this today and it sounds like it would be cool for historical costume research based on paintings. So far it is only 1 museum and 14 paintings but the article implies they'll add more eventually. http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20090113/ap_on_hi_te/eu_spain_google_art Spain's Prado Museum has teamed up with Google Earth for a project that allows people to zoom in on the gallery's main works — even on details not immediately discernible to the human eye. Cheers, Mary / Slaine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Google Earth and art museums
I was able to get a super zoom by going to the Prado Museum's websitecheck out those pleats on Durer's self portrait. Sg From: wickedf...@msn.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:44:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Google Earth and art museums Were you able to get it to work? I tried the google earth link but just got the roof of the the prado. BTW, I couldn't get to it just using prado museum. You have to add Spain to the search. Sg Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:25:13 -0800 From: mary_m_haselba...@yahoo.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Google Earth and art museums I saw this today and it sounds like it would be cool for historical costume research based on paintings. So far it is only 1 museum and 14 paintings but the article implies they'll add more eventually. http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20090113/ap_on_hi_te/eu_spain_google_art Spain's Prado Museum has teamed up with Google Earth for a project that allows people to zoom in on the gallery's main works — even on details not immediately discernible to the human eye. Cheers, Mary / Slaine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] More black ruffs?
Thank you Margaret - if the other pictures are also just edged then these are fine. I am going to pull my hair out...I know I've seen at least one - but where? Strong's book is so great - I used to have access to a copy - but have to get it through ILL - pain in the butt these days - just can't keep it long enough! Sg Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:08:06 -0800 From: mlys...@yahoo.com To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] More black ruffs? I just happened to borrow Strong's English Icon, so I thumbed through it looking for black ruffs. There aren't any all-black ruffs, but there are a few edged in black and a few more that are heavily embroidered with blackwork. I could only find three online: http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/ThomasHoward1.jpg http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/FrancisSidney.jpg http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/blackmary.jpg If you'd like more pictures, email me privately and I'll see if I can get them scanned. Margaret Roe ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Beading cord for lacing?
I came across some beading cord that looked like a great idea for lacing. Anyone used it before? What was your experience? Sorry for the crossposts. Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] More black ruffs?
I was almost sure I had seen a discussion on this before, but am unable to find it in the archives of either list. I have scanned QEW but not seen anything...so I figured I'd ask you. I am looking for pictorial or inventory evidence of black ruffs -black lace would be nice. 1500~1600. I found this quote from http://www.thelacemuseum.org/education/lacetypes.html The portrait of Anne of Denmark shows delicate Flemish lace in considerable detail1. A painting of Eleanor of Austria (1498 – 1558) by Thomas de Leu shows a tight bodice edged with a border of very simple black bobbin lace,2 and one painted by Hilliard in 1575 shows Queen Elizabeth wearing a shift edged in black needle lace to match her ruff. Ruffs made of pulled metal of silver and gold were fashionable in this period but a heavy black needle lace was often used instead. I am not sure if these are the pictures: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Anne_of_Denmark_Gheeraerts.jpg http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~buckley/elizabeth1.jpg Thanks, Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] More black ruffs?
Actually any of the below. I have pictures of black lace trim on rebattos - on cuffs too. I have pictures of black and saffron colored lace (a little later) but it is only on a neckline border and cuffs. I am pretty sure I have seen a whole black ruff - I just can't find it! Sg From: wan...@hevanet.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:11:52 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] More black ruffs? Sorry, I'm confused. Are you looking for entire ruffs that are black. Made from black fabric? Or are you looking for a ruff (colored or white) with black edging? The edging would seem to be not uncommon, I just have never seen portraits of anyone wearing a black ruff for the basis. What an interesting find if you do! Please be sure and share. Regina -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com]on Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:45 PM To: therenaissancetai...@yahoogroups.com; h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] More black ruffs? I was almost sure I had seen a discussion on this before, but am unable to find it in the archives of either list. I have scanned QEW but not seen anything...so I figured I'd ask you. I am looking for pictorial or inventory evidence of black ruffs -black lace would be nice. 1500~1600. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Phrygian cap pattern?
This may be superfluous, but it seems to me that there was a pretty extensive discussion about this hat and the rosette on it a few years ago. If you are interested, you can probably search the archives. Sg Happy New Years to you all! Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:33:31 + To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: s...@suziclarke.co.uk Subject: [h-cost] Phrygian cap pattern? Happy New Year to all. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Movie costumes
Is it out on video yet? I could capture images - I can rent it from netflix. BTW - where are you in Iowa - I was born and raised (for awhile) in Iowa City. Sg From: lando...@netins.net To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 07:27:54 -0600 Subject: [h-cost] Movie costumes Any tips on a photo, detailed illustration or inside knowledge of a pending pattern publication would be appreciated. My daughter is playing with the idea of making it for a prom dress. Denise Iowa ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Italian sleeve question
Wow, I have never seen this picture before. Very cool. I think the cartridge pleating approach would workthat is a lot of work to embroider firstI wonder if you could paint a pattern of fabric?? As for the chemise, a pleater would make that easy work Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Martial Arts/Yoga Pant pattern?
I am looking for a pant pattern to go with Folkwear Pattern 114 - I am making these for a friend who will use them for Thai Chiany suggestions for a pant pattern? I am considering these: http://www.folkwear.com/112.html Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Straw Helmet
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/expl/ho_32.132.htm# Browsing the met stuff, found this. Too cool! Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cyclopedia of costume
My mistake, I was looking at this page:http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=cyclopedia%20costume and read ...commencement of the Christian era to the accession of George the Third (Volume 2, Pt.1) My eyes and brain read Third Volume Sg Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:59:15 -0600 From: ro...@netherton.net To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cyclopedia of costume Saragrace Knauf wrote: The online version lists at least 3 volumes Sg What am I missing? I downloaded a 30MB .pdf. It ends abruptly at p.272 midsentence. The title page says IN TWO VOLUMES. VOL. I. THE DICTIONARY. That's consistent with WorldCat listings that say Vol. 1 is the dictionary and Vol. 2 is a general history. A few pages later, there's a note to subscribers (presumably people who would have paid in advance and received the work in sections) noting that they should save the illustrations for binding with the General History, for the illustration of which they were specially designed. However, for those who prefer dividing the plates, there's a suggested placement for eight of the illustrations within the Dictionary. The last of them is to go across from p. 499, so obviously I'm missing almost half of the book, or more. Did I miss downloading another file? --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Cyclopdedia of costume
http://www.archive.org/details/p1cyclopediaofco01planuoft I was reading the OED word of the day and saw this reference. You can tell from the archive that it has been downloaded ~ 300 times, so I am sure some of you have already seen it. But it was new to me and has some really fun drawings in itlike check out the drawing of the liripipe hood. Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cyclopedia of costume
The online version lists at least 3 volumes Sg Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:55:43 -0600 From: ro...@netherton.net To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cyclopedia of costume Chiara Francesca wrote: This is one of my favorite costuming book collections! Thanks for the heads up. I have been trying for years to save up enough for all 4 volumes. :) Are you certain you're thinking of the same book? Every edition I've seen of Planche's Cyclopedia is two volumes (sometimes rebound as one volume). I still find this on open stacks sometimes, esp. at old city or college libraries. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What can I do with this fabric?
I missed a few posts. I am not sure which era you are looking for for examples; but here is one: http://saragrace.net/html/Arabella/Arabella.htm This has been a favorite of mine for years. I will make it someday!!! There is the dress described in 'Costume in detail 1730-1930' as being a Purple-black satin with matching gauze overdress, dating from the 1830's, and Currently in the Snowshill collection. That's quite a lovely dress (imnsho). There's also (and this is from memory as it's been a while since I looked at a Copy) a mention in 'The Cut of Women's Clothes' about a short trend in the 1660's For women to wear 'sheers' over their gowns (it was memorable for the quote from Charles II saying that he would be quite happy for the ladies to wear nothing Else). I've never seen any other evidence for this, particularly pictorial evidence, And I've always been quite curious as to whether it was true or not, and what such A thing might look like, given that the style of the time was quite rigid and structured. Claire ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What can I do with this fabric?
Is it really stiff - could the stiffness be washed out? And is it a deep violet? I wonder if you couldn't do something from the Directoire/Empire/Regency period with it. I worked on an extant one that was bright saffron! Some of those gowns had trains, which I am sure could be made to be removable if you didn't want to be dragging that around all the time. Sg From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:28:24 +1100 Subject: [h-cost] What can I do with this fabric? Hi everyone, I've been trying to cull some stuff from my fabric stash and I've hit a fabric that I love and would like to keep but I can't think of a use for it. It's a silk/cotton blend voile (it basically looks and behaves like cotton voile I think it's about 20% silk) in violet. From memory it's 130cm (52) wide and I have about 8-10 metres (I can't remember exactly how much but I remember I bought the remainder of the roll and I thought it would be enough for a decent gown). Anyway, my original plan was a Victorian (probably 1850s-60s) sheer dress but I so far I haven't seen evidence for a solid colours (not counting white) in sheer cotton dresses of that period. So what would you do with this? I'm open to just about any pre 1900 suggestions but I don't want to have to stretch the historic accuracy too much and I'd prefer to use the whole piece in one project (little fiddly projects are the reason I've never been tempted to try quilting). Elizabeth --- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra, Australia http://magpiecostumer.110mb.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Layering in pursuit of the Holbein Look....Costume Journal Vol 42...
Much as I'd love to share, it is a no, no. You could probably order a copy of the article through interlibrary loan. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [h-cost] Layering in pursuit of the Holbein LookCostume Journal Vol 42... Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 10:41:16 -0700 Unfortunately for some of us we do not have that journal in our hands. Is there any way to share the images she refers to? ♫ Chiara Francesca ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Layering in pursuit of the Holbein Look....Costume Journal Vol 42...
Hi guys...I sent this to another group in hopes of having a discussion on it, but haven't heard a peep from anyone thereso sorry for the cross posts From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Layering in pursuit of the Holbein LookCostume Journal Vol 42... Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 09:52:25 -0700 Hi all, I was just reading the article in The Journal of the Costume Society, Vol 42, 2008. I am hoping to generate some discussion but also hoping to hear from the authors...Jane Malcolm-Davies, Caroline Johnson and Ninya Mikhaila. My first question is from Figure 6 on page 27. I just want to confirm what I think I see. I think the wearer is wearing in this (order) a smock, then a kirtle (no stiffening?) then a partially boned pair of bodies which looks like an 'un-strapped' version of the Pfalzgrafin Dorothea Sabina Von Neuberg's corset which is cut off (just at?) the nipple. My second question, is how does one differentiate between a petticoat and a kirtle, (assuming both have attached bodices). Is it just that the kirtle is 'done' in a fashion fabric? Thanks! Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] hongreline
This is interesting! I tried to look the word up in the Grimm German Etymological dictionary and didn't find a thing...then it occurred to me that it probably wasn't spelled the same...as the German word for Hungary is Ungarn. Still no luck The line part of the word is probably a derivation of lein which is a diminutive. So something like little Hungarian [Jacket]. (Like brüstlein is the one word for corset/stays) I will forward the question on to my German costuming list because there are several people there with better resources than I. (I am assuming that will be okay - if not, you can yell at me :).) I will also attempt to find it in Max Von Boehn's works since I have them in German. Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] hongreline
The dictionary just happens to be a BIG project the Grimm brothers worked on. It is still the standard for German etymology. No connection to the fairy tales. I am not sure there is a connection between the line/lein endings...I just thought there might be because someone said that it was brought back (from Hungary) by the Germans Sometimes you can actually find the connection between the languages because of the similartity. Kind of like verdingale and farthingale. Here is what my buddy Katherine had to say from the German list: (If you would like the line drawings from the dictionary, I am sure Katherine would oblige) Not German, French! Hongreline (s.f.) La hongreline fut une sorte de surtout porté au début du XVIIe siécle par-dessus le pourpoint. Elle était à peu près ajustée; d'abord les manches, non cousues aux entournures, y étaient liées par des aiguillettes, puis elles firent corps avec le vêtement d'hiver, bordé et même doublé de fourrure. Les femmes portérent jusque sous Louis XIV, des hongrelines à manches et à basques, mais non fourrées. [Hongreline (feminine) The hongreline was a sort of overdress worn at the beginning of the 17th century over the pourpoint. It was a little tailored, mostly in the sleeves, which were not sewn into the armholes, and were tied in with aglets, added to the body of the garment for winter wear, bordered or even lined with fur. Women wore this into the reign of Louis XIV, with sleeves and skirts, but not furred.] (translation mine) From: Dictionnaire du costume et de ses accessoires, des armes et des étoffes, des origines à nos jours. Achevé et réalisé sous la direction de André Dupuis. Préf. de G.G.-Toudouze. Author: Leloir, Maurice, 1853-1940. Publication: Paris, Gründ [1961, c1951] The Dictionary has some line drawings that will help the person with the query. The garment is similar to: http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/BRGPOD/259768~Constantijn-Huygens-Posters.jpg The red garments here are also similar: http://www.artsmia.org/mia/e_images/10/mia_10450e.jpg SG, drop me a note off line if you want more details. Katherine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] sewing machine woes - OT
I am glad to see that I am not the only one that :1.) Sews on vintage machines (almost exclusively)2.) Can't get dates straight3.) Always over committed when it comes to costuming.4.) Can justify one more book or butt load of fabric.I just had a vintage machine revelation - I bought a 1960's vintage Kenmore a few years back because it was very much like the one my dad taught me to sew on. It is a solid workhorse.Problem was it had a removable piece on the throat plate which allowed you to sew with just a hole straight stitching or a slot for zig zagging. The thing rattled around and I broke tons of pins and needles, and finally just knocked the whole machine out of whack. (After I had just brought it home from the shop for its annual maintenance.)I joined a sewing machine repair yahoo group hoping for someone to tell me there was a solid throat plate replacement. All I got back was a bunch of admonishment for sewing over pins. G.Then today, some blessed p! erson wrote me privately to inform me that that I had the removable plate in upside downand that once I turned it over, I could sew over pins without a problem!!! I have been vindicated Sew Yes I understand you perfectly Alex!! We are two peas in a pod!Sg Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:06:10 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] sewing machine woes Just because I know that most of you will understand I am whining here. Earlier this year on my 1952 vinatage Pfaff sewing machine I noted the belt was separating, not surprising when you consider it was last replaced prior to 1980, if ever. I looked up a place on line and ordered a replacement, and my separating belt continued to work in the meantime. I installed the new wone when it arrived and everything was good without a break in usage. This weekend when I was pressed for time when I found the four piece ensemble for my son's renn faire excursion was due next wee! kend, not next month as I had thought, and I have a another s! uch ensemble for a friend's halloween costume, and there's an SCA event between here and there that I need to put together a few things and ...and... That's when I noticed that the replacement belt had bits of the outer plastic crumbling off. I continued through the shirt and found I was having trouble getting the machine to work, the belt wasn't able to maintain the tension needed to run the machine. uuurggg Fortunately, the local shop believes they have the belt I need in stock and my son has the time off to go and take the picture of the machine and the bad belt in to get the right replacement, so everything should work out just fine. It's just that I had a belt that lasted for at least 25 years, probably 55 years and a simple replacement only lasted 8 months. And those 8 months weren't heavy usuage months either. alex taking a deep breath and getting ready to finish that Waffenrock tonight, so everything should be fine... -- I'm buy! ing this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday... ;) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] sewing machine woes - OT
Sorry about the previous postit ran everything together. I know I wouldn't have read it that way! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [h-cost] sewing machine woes - OT Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:22:23 -0700 I am glad to see that I am not the only one that : Sews on vintage machines (almost exclusively) Can't get dates straight Always over committed when it comes to costuming.Can justify one more book or butt load of fabric. I just had a vintage machine revelation - I bought a 1960's vintage Kenmore a few years back because it was very much like the one my dad taught me to sew on. It is a solid workhorse. Problem was it had a removable piece on the throat plate which allowed you to sew with just a hole straight stitching or a slot for zig zagging. The thing rattled around and I broke tons of pins and needles, and finally just knocked the whole machine out of whack. (After I had just brought it home from the shop for its annual maintenance.) I joined a sewing machine repair yahoo group hoping for someone to tell me there was a solid throat plate replacement. All I got back was a bunch of admonishment for sewing over pins. G. Then today, some blessed person wrote me privately to inform me that that I had the removable plate in upside downand that once I turned it over, I could sew over pins without a problem!!! I have been vindicated Sew Yes I understand you perfectly Alex!! We are two peas in a pod! Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Double-sided velveteen
Bad girl Joan! My fingers are starting to twitch towards my credit card. Looks loverly! The colors are goregeous. I'd order a swatch, or a small piece and wash it in the wash machine...it makes a BIG difference with 100% velvet/teen. Sg Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 21:35:05 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Double-sided velveteen I just received my regular email from fabric.com. They are having a sale on double-sided velveteen. Here's the URL: http://www.fabric.com/CategoryDetail.aspx?CategoryID=f77efb13-f39f-4057-949e-6aaef12352be It might well be too heavy for clothes, though. Has anyone used this fabric before? Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Looking for bad examples of costuming...
Okay, this is weird request I know. I have someone who wants me to make her a sort of accurate gown - This is an example of what she is looking for: http://www.azacdesign.com/items/clothing/custom-special-order-clothing/lady-versailles-gown-lvg-detail.htm Problem is, is she is a size 28, and doesn't want to wear corsetry due to a medical condition. I have explained the whole - it isn't going to look right without the right undergarmentsbut I was looking for some examples I might show her. So I am looking for pictures of larger women who may not be wearing proper undergarments. Even if the style isn't the same - I showed her this as an example of a larger woman who was wearing proper undergarments: http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/exhibitions/past/holbein_400.htm Thanks, Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Looking for bad examples of costuming...
I am looking for pictures to persuade her it is a bad idea. I would really like to distance myself from doing anything that is that grossly wrong - but she seems interested in learning how to sew --- so I don't want to dissuade her. I should have said also, that I understand someone not posting a link publicly...if you have something you would like to share, feel free to contact me off-list. Thanks, Saragrace From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:45:08 + Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for bad examples of costuming... sorry to be dense, but are you looking for pictures to persuade her it is a bad idea, or pictures to work from to try to accede to her request? You might get by with partially boning the bodice of the dress itself or something. Darn -- Moresca.com has taken its site down for repairs; I remember them as having pictures of women both in and out of corsetry in both large and small bodies. Good luck! Lauren -- Original message -- From: Saragrace Knauf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Okay, this is weird request I know. I have someone who wants me to make her a sort of accurate gown - This is an example of what she is looking for: http://www.azacdesign.com/items/clothing/custom-special-order-clothing/lady-vers ailles-gown-lvg-detail.htm Problem is, is she is a size 28, and doesn't want to wear corsetry due to a medical condition. I have explained the whole - it isn't going to look right without the right undergarmentsbut I was looking for some examples I might show her. So I am looking for pictures of larger women who may not be wearing proper undergarments. Even if the style isn't the same - I showed her this as an example of a larger woman who was wearing proper undergarments: http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/exhibitions/past/holbein_400.htm Thanks, Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues (was Looking for bad examples)
Yes, I have explained that to to her. I have suggested just a firm under bodice (ala' Elenora of Toledo). We will see where that goes. She has a gastritis problem that plagues her... I really appreciate all the folks who have explained some of their issues. It really kicks me in the hiney, to remember that there are lots of legitimate reasons for wanting to dress up with some limitations... Sg From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 22:56:26 + Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues (was Looking for bad examples) Oh, Kate, I am so sorry! Your situation, though, also leads to another question for me: If Saragrace's client cannot wear a corset for any of these reasons, how uncomfortable is she going to be in the gown she's chosen without one? For me, the corsetry is helpful in *supporting* that kind of skirtage; without it, you've got a ton of skirt pulling on you. My main corset problems are asthma/allergies and fat. On a bad day -- humid, smoky, moldy, polleny -- it can just be one thing too many to fight against the stays to breathe. The better the stays fit the less of a problem it is. Saragrace -- I assume you have the whole, stays are not that uncomfortable, and before the 19th century tight-lacing was not the point song and dance by heart? I know some large women who surprise themselves by *liking* stays. Lauren -- Original message -- From: Ailith [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can no longer wear my beloved Italian gowns because I simply can't bear the constriction of a corset. I have nerve damage due to Guillain-Barre Syndrome. Just wearing a bra is torturous for me. :-( I'd give a lot to be able to wear my gowns again. Kate http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing?
Mace Windu outfit for my 9 year old nephew and furry lion for my 4.5 year old nephew.on the back burner - schaube. Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Great site!
Sorry for the cross posts. I just came across this site and thought the work was really wonderful.http://www.in-nova-corpora.ch/index.htm ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Historic Textiles Examination from Burgos Cathedral, Madrid Spain
http://www.middelaldercentret.dk/pdf/burgosrapport.pdf My friend Camilla Louise Dahl sent this link to me to share. Enjoy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Fwd: 16th-century Mechanical doll
That is really cool. I'd sure like to see more detailed pictures. Sg To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:37:39 -0400 Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: 16th-century Mechanical doll Begin forwarded message: From: Jocelyn Hinkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was browsing the Kunsthistoriches Museum collection and ran across this mechanical doll http://www.khm.at/staticE/page1808.html Mid 16th century ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Fwd: 16th-century Mechanical doll
It seemed familiar to me, but I don't know that I remember it being an automaton... The fabric seems to be in excellent shape. Sg Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:42:01 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: 16th-century Mechanical doll This lady shows up in some of the doll histories, but the photo and blurb posted are about all that's included - if that much alex On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Saragrace Knauf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is really cool. I'd sure like to see more detailed pictures. Sg To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:37:39 -0400 Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: 16th-century Mechanical doll ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Fwd: technique used?
Probably, but in this case I think you'd have problems with the serger seam showing through on the bottom. The pin tucks appear larger than those made by specialized feet on most machines But the seam itself could be done with a straight stitch...(but not too tight-might be too stiff)...and then pulled into the scallop shape by hand Sg From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:55:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: technique used? For those of us into modern techniques, I understand these Heirloom Sewing Effects can be done by serger. Susan Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness Carol H. On Aug 11, 08, at 12:09 AM, Chiara Francesca wrote: It is called Pin Tucking. Now a day's though if you want to find a book on it they call it fabric origami. :) Remember those cushions grandma had in her house? That be what this is, pin tucking. Very beautiful. I have one costume where the sleeves are made from a scrap of fabric that was meticulously folded into a beautiful pattern. When I tracked the fabric down for more it was something like 30/yard. ♫ Chiara Francesca -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:h-costume- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maggie Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 7:51 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: technique used? I've always had the idea it was pressing. Otherwise, I have no idea MaggiRos 2008/8/10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] I saw this painting at the National Gallery of Art today and was intrigued by the ridging on the under dress with it's parallel, wavy lines. Was this done by stitching, and if so, how? _A Young Woman and Her Little Boy - Image_ (http://www.nga.gov/fcgi-bin/timage_f?object=1143image=2109c=gg21) -- Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback or your favorite online bookseller ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] wrapping turbans
Hey! There are a bunch of 'em! This one goes through several kindshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbUyw3X1TcMNR=1 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:49:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] wrapping turbans I'm reading week-old mail, so my appolgies if this has been linked already: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkpuxcNdGc0 video of wrapping a turban. There is another called 'how to tie a turban' that I didn't watch. Denise ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] wrapping turbans [was:Curious about headdress - Arabic?]
Oh, I am glad to hear there is more coming from the YWU article. I read it last night and didn't see anywhere to find instructions on how to wrap it. Sg Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:31:13 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] wrapping turbans [was:Curious about headdress - Arabic?] Lynn McMasters is working on a series of articles for the online publication Your Wardrobe Unlock'd about wrapping turbans for Regency wear. I don't have a subscription yet, so can't comment on the articles, but I saw Lynn over the weekend at Costume College (where she taught turban wrapping) wearing a huge turban, and it looked great. I was lame and didn't get a photo. I hope somebody did. http://yourwardrobeunlockd.com/ I'd like to point out that how an Arab and how a Sikh (the two cultures I can think of off the top of my head that commonly wear turbans) would wrap a turban is probably different. Sikh turbans for men are, to my knowledge, two layers and can be very large (for boys it's just the under turban; I don't know what it's really called). They also tend to be bulky towards the front of the head, where the top-knot of hair sits. I don't know anything about Arab turbans, but if you see a larger turban with a lot of forward bulk, you're probably looking at a Sikh (a steel bangle and certain styles of facial hair would also be a giveaway). Claudine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze or Queen Elizabeth?
My vote would be QEW. It meets your requirements and has just great fundamental knowledge that seems to be becoming the standard. The other book is lovely too, but if I had to pick it would be QEW. Sg Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 06:07:56 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze or Queen Elizabeth? Hi, I am planning to spend some money and I have a real dilemma. I am hesitating between Moda a Firenze and Queen Elizabeth's wardrobe unlocked. I've heard very good reference on both. I do not have any special area of interest, so Florence or England are both interesting to me, but I would welcome a detailed study with lots of large, quality photographs and also some tips on reconstruction (patterns or details - fastenings etc.) If you could boy only one, which one would you choose? Thanks, Zuzana ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Curious about headdress - Arabic?
Thanks to all who have responded and Sheridan I would really like to see your process. I remember vaguely reading the article in TI...have to look that up again. I wish I could have recorded and shown you which turban i was particularly interested in. It was white and it almost looked like the fabric had been pleated into neat rows around the head. Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Looking for Amsterdam museums events
Read this book http://www.randomhouse.com/vintage/dunnett/niccolo/rising.html and take a trip to Brugge. It takes place there, and if you love historical fiction (and lots of characters and plot twists) you'll love it. There is a description of how the locks work (in the canals) and you can actually go there and see it take place...I there are some windmills there too. Brugge is cool just by itself, but also the home and chapel of Anselm Adorne is open to the public - beautiful and very interesting. Right next door is a lace museum. Sg At 21:37 26/07/2008, you wrote: Ladies Gents, H-costume archives doesnt have much on this question, so I'll pose it directly: What's to do in Amsterdam nearby? I'm going to be in Amsterdam for a vacation next week and maybe a bit after, and as usual I'm looking for ideas of where to go with an extended family group. I'm mostly in to high fashion historic costuming, social dance history from the early Renn up to and including the 19th century. We're also interested in more than just wearable stuff: castles, living history events. My husband, bro-in-law, sis in law I are all engineers and some of the teenage nephews are headed that way so ships, airplanes, how a wind mill works, science tech museums are good fun. If you have any ideas for family friendly events (the family runs ages 10-70+), we'd like those, too. We'll have cars, so sites 1-2 hrs out of town are also accessible. Got any great suggestions? Got any out there suggestions? Thanks for the help, --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's a very long time since I was in Amsterdam, but the city itself is walkable if you are fit and healthy - mostly flat. Most people travel by bike or by tram(?). The Rijksmuseum is one of the great museums of the Western world. I saw nowhere near a 10th of it I think. They have an excellent zoo, and somewhere near, there are, I believe, diamond cutting demonstrations. (And of course there is the Red Light district, but I think they have toned down the area!) Best I can do, I'm afraid. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Historic Textiles Examination from Burgos Cathedral, Madrid Spain
http://www.middelaldercentret.dk/pdf/burgosrapport.pdf My friend Camilla Louise Dahl sent this link to me to share. Enjoy Sg Sorry if this is a repeat - it didn't appear to come through on H-costume. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Journal of the Costume Society
A wedding dress worn by Princess Sophia Magdalena in 1766 in Costume, London, new series, #1, 1967, pp 17 - 21. Bjarne this comes from here: Someone posted this source awhile back...can't remember who... http://www.ravensgard.org/gerekr/arnold.html Sg From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:06:57 +0200 Subject: [h-cost] Journal of the Costume Society Can anybody help me with the informations about an article by Janet Arnold. She wrote in Costume about the wedding dress of Sophia Magdalena in 1766. I only have a photocopyed page of the article with the pattern cut. What i need is the year of the publikation. Thankyou... Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
