Yes, you're taller than the pattern, IIRC. Get that engineer you live
w/ to help you redraft it to your proportions. I really disagreed w/
the sizing when I was building it for rather small creature that is
me.
It's pretty much based on Alcega, so if you want something different
than that, like
Be careful to match the notches on the sides. The pieces are easy to reverse
and then you end up with an oval farthingale instead of a round one. Match
the notches and you'll be fine :-)
Mine was a size 2 and it came out SUPER long. I had to take off at least 12
inches, and I'm not particularly
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Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale
Be careful to match the notches on the sides. The pieces are easy to reverse
and then you end up with an oval farthingale instead of a round one. Match
the notches and you'll be fine :-)
Mine was a size 2 and it came out SUPER long
Then match this side; the other one should be fine.
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Sharon Collier sha...@collierfam.comwrote:
There are only notches on one side of the side pieces. I'm going to go by
the way it shows in the instructions; hope it works!
Sharon
like
the one shown in the painting.
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I was interpreting her as wearing trousers, actually
Back to Salome again, but only briefly, as I am loaded with work and will not
be able to pursue this thread further (I spent way too much time online this
week).
Suzanne wrote (among many other things in a very thoughtful and helpful post):
I suggest that we break up the question into 2
I was interpreting her as wearing trousers, actually, though the size of the
webbed picture makes any firm conclusions on her outfit premature.
Ann in CT
--- On Thu, 6/12/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.oronoz.com/leefoto.php?referencia=15099
michaela de bruce wrote:
There's a nice book on Spanish costume, entitled [strangely enough]
Hispanic Costume 1480- 1530 by R. M. Anderson (1979), where the
author has pulled together artwork of the period and grouped it by
garment type to show the development of styles. It's a great
Claire Clarke wrote:
I couldn't help noticing in the early link with loads of images
(http://jessamynscloset.com/15thgallery.html) that the Salome
with outside hoops is from a Catalan picture, and the Salome
with hoops on the underskirt is from Madrid (not Catalan). Further
down there's
In a message dated 6/12/2008 8:12:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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http://www.oronoz.com/leefoto.php?referencia=15099
**
Did y'all notice the servant in the left corner with the horizontal lines on
her skirt, but no hoops?
I noticed that - she also appears to have a loose-fitting over-gown (brown)
with elbow-length sleeves and a slit neckline. Quite different from anyone
else.
Catherine
In a message dated 6/12/2008 11:03:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Low class copycat. There's always one. You get a great idea and then all the
hoi polloi want to ape their betters
Laurie(who is, in fact, the hoi polloi and apes her betters almost constantly)
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http
In a message dated 6/12/2008 11:51:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Low class copycat.
*
Really! Just look at her Moorish inspired headdress.
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2008.
Did y'all notice the servant in the left corner with the horizontal lines on
her skirt, but no hoops?
You know, when this discussion started, I looked at the pictures and thought
to myself, What if that isn't hoops on the outside but a tiered skirt with
banding at the hem of each tier?
In
There've been a number of intriguing comments on this thread. To go
back to the beginning, Emma asked about this picture, which she found
in a discussion concerning the development of the farthingale:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/
Image:Pedro_Garcia_de_Benabarre_St_John_Retable.jpg
Thank you, Michaela!! I haven't seen this image before. [Now, do I
know anyone going to Barcelona...?]
Suzanne
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Date: June 10, 2008 7:44:34 PM CDT
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Although this is another Biblical image, it does make me think that
perhaps the key is not simply real vs. biblical/historical/
allegorical, but also
Suzanne wrote:
Robin, I think you are pushing this argument too far.
Actually, I'm trying not to make an argument at all! My point is that you
can't look at images in isolation. You have to look at a lot of them -- in
context, and in combination.
As I've said several times, I don't know much
I was looking at the painting of Salome (top left,
http://www.elizabethancostume.net/farthingale/history.html ) that is
generally accepted as one of the earliest forms of
farthingale/virtugarde/verdugados. I've heard the Look, first the
hoops were worn on the outside, but very quickly they
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was looking at the painting of Salome (top left,
http://www.elizabethancostume.net/farthingale/history.html ) that is
generally accepted as one of the earliest forms of
farthingale/virtugarde/verdugados. I've heard the Look, first the
hoops were worn on the
The only place I have heard/seen of Salome dancing naked (near naked) is in
Hollywood pictures. Anyway, if you look at the two women behind her, they
are wearing the same type of hoop skirt so I am inclined to say that she is
not dressed only in her under garments.
I believe that there are more
In a message dated 6/10/2008 12:52:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If that's true, why are hoops also visible on the ladies behind her?
It is possible that by this point, the visible hoops had become code for
Salome and were picked up by other artists of the same
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Great painting, isn't it? I love all the hand gestures, denoting
astonishment(?)
Not to mention the bizarre non-perspective of the platter, and the dishes on
the table.
Talk about hand gestures (and facial expressions) -- see my absolute favorite
Salome here
for more images see:
Anderson, Ruth Matilda. Hispanic Costume, 1480-1530. Hispanic notes
monographs. New York: Hispanic Society of America,
1979. ISBN:0875351263 9780875351261 OCLC:4858873
http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=isbn%3A0875351263
Note that the shape is different from the later cone
http://tinyurl.com/4rk3xu
I knew I would find the site with the other farthingale styles.
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Re this picture:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Pedro_Garcia_de_Benabarre_St_John_Re
table.jpg
The farthingale worn on the outside is seen all over the place in Spanish
otsisto wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/4rk3xu
I knew I would find the site with the other farthingale styles.
Great collection. You can get a little information about the images by holding
the cursor over them, and some show you closeups (but not all, and not all the
linked ones work).
The
and grouped it by
garment type to show the development of styles. It's a great place
to get started if you're interested in this era.
Suzanne
Date: June 10, 2008 10:43:20 AM CDT
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Subject: [h-cost] Farthingale thoughts
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There's a nice book on Spanish costume, entitled [strangely enough]
Hispanic Costume 1480- 1530 by R. M. Anderson (1979), where the
author has pulled together artwork of the period and grouped it by
garment type to show the development of styles. It's a great place
to get started if
michaela de bruce wrote:
There's a nice book on Spanish costume, entitled [strangely enough]
Hispanic Costume 1480- 1530 by R. M. Anderson (1979), where the
author has pulled together artwork of the period and grouped it by
garment type to show the development of styles. It's a great
Sorry for the cross-posting, however, for anyone interested, I have
updated the Farthingale Calculator to allow you to choose the number of
boning rows. Additionally, the calculator has moved. To access it,
please go to http://www.margaretroedesigns.com/tools.html.
For anyone not familiar with
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