Fran quoted me thus:
Copyright law focuses on publishing
... cutting off my sentence midstream. Then she added:
Actually, copyright literally covers making copies, and does
not only apply to distribution or sale of them.
However, if Fran had included the rest of my sentence, it would have
Robin Netherton wrote:
Certainly, copying a whole book is a violation. But I've occasionally
resorted to Xeroxing books that are technically in copyright, when
they're out of print or otherwise unavailable and I need to refer to
them longer than ILL will let me. In the one chance in a
Fran quoted me:
Certainly, copying a whole book is a violation. But I've occasionally
resorted to Xeroxing books that are technically in copyright, when
they're out of print or otherwise unavailable and I need to refer to
them longer than ILL will let me. In the one chance in a million that
Robin Netherton wrote:
Closer to the point here: I use slides of artwork in my lectures, as
many as 100 in a single lecture. Some come from books. Some come from
the artwork itself; of the latter, some of the photos were taken
under explicit agreements with the owning libraries/museums
So it sounds like I'm ok, since I work for an educational institution,
huh?
Sylrog
On Oct 3, 2007, at 11:14 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:
Likewise, educational use legally applies to education that takes
place within educational institutions, and not to an individual
reading any book he or she
Does anyone know where I can get Cotton Wool to stuff a period quilt??
If there is somewhere close to Norway that would even be better.
sorry, I just re-read the original question -- I skipped over the period
quilt part and was thinking you wanted raw cotton to stuff part of a
costume.
Thank you all in bringing some clarification to this murky issue.
Patty
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Subject: RE: [h-cost] costume photos
Fran quoted me
I agree. Can we not try to insult one another and start flame wars?
Sylrob
On Oct 4, 2007, at 8:36 AM, Rickard, Patty wrote:
Wow - that was harsh!
Patty
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I actually was looking for more of a Cotton fibrefill type something that is
loose fibres.
Thanks for trying
Brin Kendall
Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Edith Reardon wrote:
Does anyone know where I can get Cotton Wool to stuff a period quilt?? If
there is somewhere close to
I got an enormous roll of rough cotton batting from an upholstery
supplier. It wasn't cheap and the shipping was rather much too, IIRC.
But, I have enough of this stuff to make many, many quilts or quilted
garments. It's really thick, and can be peeled apart at the thickness
desired. It's messier
Robin wrote:
Copying pages or chunks here and there is something that happens
every day in every university library and Kinko's.
and Fran replied
Ah: So since every crime and violation of law happens every day,
somewhere, itÆs OK for you to commit any of them?
I don't know what Kinko's
Lavolta Press wrote:
Robin Netherton wrote:
Copying pages or chunks here and there is something that happens
every day in every university library and Kinko's.
Ah: So since every crime and violation of law happens every day,
somewhere, it’s OK for you to commit any of them?
And we're
There is a product for just such ocassions sold by Joann Fabrics called Warm
and Natural or Warm 'n Natural..it is unbleached cotton batting expressly for
100%natural quilting .
Iyou might try to see if they also sell it on line at joanns.com
hope this helps...
Bambi
Land of Oz [EMAIL
What about using designs that are hundreds of years old, but are in a new
publication. I teach a blackwork class to 4-5 graders (no fee, just part of
the Fines Arts Block at my son's school)and copy images for them to use on
their samplers, as it is easier than tracing each one individually.
Does anyone know where I can get Cotton Wool to stuff a period quilt?? If
there is somewhere close to Norway that would even be better.
Look for local suppliers to people who do hand-spinning. If you have no
local handspinners and handweavers supply, look on line. There are
thousands. You
Not sure what you mean by loose fibers. 100% cotton or wool batting will
have a much different appearance in a quilt than will the poly stuff. Cotton
and wool batting should be available at your local quilt store. If you want
raw cotton, see if there is a yarn shop in your area that sells
Linda Rice wrote:
I got an enormous roll of rough cotton batting from an upholstery
supplier.
When it's made up and
washed it definitely has that lumpy bumpy look and feel that poly just
can't imitate.
Lumpy bumpy is a 20th century phenomena that only happens when quilts
get put
From Kate:
Robin wrote:
Copying pages or chunks here and there is something that
happens every day in every university library and Kinko's.
and Fran replied
Ah: So since every crime and violation of law happens every
day somewhere, it's OK for you to commit any of them?
Kate adds:
I
Ah: So you think anything you wish to do and that benefits you is
ethical as long as you don’t get caught?
Anyone who could take my extremely specific statement
above and make the subsequent sweeping (and very much incorrect)
inference is not worth engaging in conversation.
Fair use, people. Fair use.
http://www.utsystem.edu/OGC/IntellectualProperty/copypol2.htm#test
The general counsel of a major university system, writing in plain
English for folks who aren't lawyers. It's directed at the faculty in
his system.
Of course, if you do want a more generic (and
I'm bored with the medical, trademarks copyrights discussions. Any
chance we can return to our regularly scheduled topic?
Please?
What's your dressmakers dummy wearing?
--cin
Cynthia Barnes
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I think everyone gets your point. Too bad the point couldn't have been made in
a manner which was a bit less off-putting.
Lavolta Press [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The problem is that many people want to take _one_ criteria, such as
I'm not making any money from it or I work for an
Actually, instead of posting on a costuming list, what I'd recommend you
to do is this:
Go to the head of your department. Ask, What are the departmental
and/or university copyright guidelines for my use of this kind of
material, in this manner, in my lectures? Please give me a copy of
Do you have a delete key or email filters, by any chance?
Fran
Cin wrote:
I'm bored with the medical, trademarks copyrights discussions. Any
chance we can return to our regularly scheduled topic?
Please?
What's your dressmakers dummy wearing?
--cin
Cynthia Barnes
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No library determines US copyright law. What you are describing is
merely the policy of your particular library.
Fran
I don't know what Kinko's is, but in a university library copying of a section
of a book (1 chapter or 5%) for private study is perfectly legal.
Kate Bunting
Cataloguing
Heh ... Mardi Gras beads and a cat toy ... don't ask.
Chiara Francesca
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Cin
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:15 PM
To: h-cost
Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing?
I'm bored with the
My dressmaker's dummy is graced with a navy blue wool dress with a round red
neckline and (future) red cuffs, seams in progress of finishing with dark
green wool herringbone stitch on outside. It is a semi-fitted gored tunic
type dress. Future embroidery in Medici wool for collar, cuffs and
Currently two gothic fitted dresses. One long sleeved underdress and a short
sleeved overdress which is awaiting tippets. :)
Cin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm bored with the medical, trademarks
copyrights discussions. Any
chance we can return to our regularly scheduled topic?
Please?
What's
I second this,
Its so sad we have to have that disgussion so manny times!
My dummie is empty, but soon its going to wear a polonaise jacket wich i
plan to embroider.
Bjarne
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To: h-cost [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007
Cin wrote:
Please?
What's your dressmakers dummy wearing?
There's no room in my sewing room for such a thing but projects in
process include:
* goth-y gypsy skirt for a client
I ran out of black cotton for this and need to go shopping this weekend.
Fortunately Joann's is having a 50%
On Oct 4, 2007, at 12:02 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:
Fair use, people. Fair use.
http://www.utsystem.edu/OGC/IntellectualProperty/copypol2.htm#test
The general counsel of a major university system, writing in plain
English for folks who aren't lawyers. It's directed at the faculty
in his
My dummy is wearing an absolutely ugly synthetic cheap black Halloween
cape for my husband.
We bought it from Smiffys along with some other fun Halloween stuff.
He is going to be lord Dracula and I will be Corpse Bride.
I am having so much fun thinking of how I am going to decorate the house.
My dummy is currently naked, because the pink and black flamenco dress is
finally done and delivered to the customer. It's a gorgeous dress, with a
black taffeta bodice embroidered with shaded pink flowering vines, and the
ruffled sleeves and skirt ruffles done in alternating light and dark
Mine's nekkid*gasp*
I'm working on a doublet for my husband but I can't put in on my ladies
formthe girly bits get in the way.
What's your dressmakers dummy wearing?
--cin
Cynthia Barnes
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But you'll have a very hard time getting ANY published material copied at
Kinko's. Ten years or so ago they were the subject of a big copyright-violation
suit because they were helping/encouraging faculty to make their own
textbooks with photocopied materials, and neither the faculty nor
Look, I don't live for the approval of email lists, OK? I coule care
less if people think I'm nicey-nice.
Fran
Beteena Paradise wrote:
I think everyone gets your point. Too bad the point couldn't have been made in
a manner which was a bit less off-putting.
Congratulations on being close to the end of your project and stretching
yourself to do it (only an assumption, based on your saying it was your hardest
project).
Patty
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Lavolta Press
Sent: Thu 10/4/2007 4:39 PM
To:
Since you ask, what is going on in my life is that I'm finishing up the
biggest and in many ways, the hardest book project I've ever done. I
spend all day every day staring at a computer monitor. No juicy gossip
or room for speculation there, I'm afraid.
Nor am I being especially caustic.
The wool is cut, but the linen lining is not ready. I still need to pick
small applique flowers off several more yards before it is ready to use.
It cost me $2 a yard, because of that small inconvenience.
Dawn
Duh, I never thought of doing that.
Sharon Collier wrote:
What about using designs that are hundreds of years old, but are in a new
publication. I teach a blackwork class to 4-5 graders (no fee, just part of
the Fines Arts Block at my son's school)and copy images for them to use on
their samplers, as it is easier than tracing
I usually buy the stuff from the chemist shop. It is in plates and very nice
to work with.
Right now i am going to use it for the stuffing of a muff. I make a roll
from it, from 3-4 layers of the plates, graduating in size.
Bjarne
Leif og Bjarne Drews
www.my-drewscostumes.dk
Oooh - don't forget the pass the scary objects game. Blindfolded - pass
spaghetti (cooked), cooked (canned) plums, etc. with suitably lurid
descriptions.
BTW, my dummy is wearing her little cloth cover with two riding jackets (on
hangers) hanging off the top. (I haven't been riding for an
NO, not necessarily. It is NOT legal to make any use of material you
want just because you work for an educational institution. You have to
meet a group of fair use factors, not just one of them. See my previous
message, mentioning the factors of quantity of material used from one
work or by
And yet you argue against generalizations with more generalizations.
OK. Here I am with Richard Stim's _Getting Permission: How to License
Clear Copyrighted Materials Online Off, which I strongly recommend,
along with Stephem Fishman's _The Copyright Handbook. And dutifully
Hello Fran,
Is there something else going on in your life right now? I don't recall your
being so caustic before.
Patty
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Lavolta Press
Sent: Thu 10/4/2007 3:30 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your
Needing to make a new one...in the shape of my GFD.
hehehehe
Starr
Currently two gothic fitted dresses. One long sleeved underdress and a
short sleeved overdress which is awaiting tippets. :)
Cin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm bored with the medical, trademarks
copyrights discussions.
Rickard, Patty wrote:
Congratulations on being close to the end of your project
The end is relative, especially as a book printer will have it for at
least two months after I finish with it. I'll announce it on h-costume
when it is available for sale.
and stretching yourself to do it
Rickard, Patty wrote:
The wool is cut, but the linen lining is not ready. I still need to pick
small applique flowers off several more yards before it is ready to use.
It cost me $2 a yard, because of that small inconvenience.
Duh, I never thought of doing that.
The trick is in
On Oct 4, 2007, at 1:31 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:
FACTOR 4: If this kind of use were widespread, what effect would
it have on the market for the original or for permissions?
It can have a great deal of effect. Bear in mind that the
copyright owner has a much better grasp of the effect on
Patty,
What type of riding jackets? Pictures, please?
I trail ride my Paso Fino, Oscar. We also do some sidesaddle riding.
That's a reason I am on this list - to learn about correct riding
clothing for various Time Periods.
Susan (NJ)
Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the
On Oct 4, 2007, at 2:38 PM, Dawn wrote:
There's a lot of embroidered linen out there that either has so
many motifs, or glued applique, that it probably isn't worth
bothering with.
If it's not bulky embellishment, it may still be good as lining or
interlining. I've got some ugly
Well I don't own one, yet...but my sewing table has a pair of stays
almost done, Cloth piled up to make 17th/18th cent skirts and the
muslin staring at me to do the mock ups for a set of 17th men's
breeches/pants/whatever G
Once the stay's are done it's a toss up as to what gets cut out
From: Chiara Francesca [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Heh ... Mardi Gras beads and a cat toy ... don't ask.
I dont think I can top that.
Euphrosnia is wearing a 1470s houppeland in beige silk brocaded
taffeta, the collar cuffs are dark chocolate brown velvet. It needs
sleeves, closures a hem.
Adonis is,
I'm sorry, but the UT test is not the only available information on
copyright. I am not obligated to consider it so. Why do you not
instead read circular 29, or Richard Stim's _Getting Permission_?
Fran
Andrew T Trembley wrote:
On Oct 4, 2007, at 1:31 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:
FACTOR 4:
1880s skirt with a blouse that I am hoping to fit into, soon!
Susan
Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel
too fast and you miss all you are traveling for. - Ride the Dark
Trail by Louis L'Amour
On Oct 4, 2007, at 6:06 PM, Cin wrote:
From: Chiara Francesca
If you're working for for a school or university that is a
subscriber, check out ARTstor.
http://www.artstor.org/
Alas, my employer isn't a participant.
andy
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I was kinda feeling the same but I realize that valid points were made all
around.
Pricilla is wearing a mock-up of a runway - fashionn show - gown for Aida.
Penny is wearing the beginning stages of 'Amneris's wedding gown and poor
Petula is once again in a man's costume - some sort of slave
Still the best book in my collection of sewing and fashion books is the 1940s
home dressmakers' book by Pocket Books. This little dynamo of 100-odd pages
from a time when a Pocket Book would still fit in a pocket shows a dozen
different stitches, odd techniques, clever cheats, and gives
Because I brought the analysis to the table, I said that it was the
foundation of my example, and you're taking the lazy way out by not
arguing on the points and positions.
Nope. It's quite as reasonable for me to run you around and waste your
time--or rather, act as an e-list
Thank you!
Hmmm... I just finished up my part in a WW1 dress for a friend. She took
it home this afternoon to hem and put the buttons on, to be ready to
wear this weekend.
Next up is a couple of sets of Viking pants and tunics. After that I
need to finally get around to doing a simple Colonial
For F---'s sake, can't you take this to email? Or just let it go already? This
is really getting ridiculous. And please do not tell me to create a filter
because, if I am not mistaken, the email group is called Historic Costume not
My copyright book is bigger than your copyright book or I need
If you want the discussion to end, don't post on it.
Fran
Beteena Paradise wrote:
For F---'s sake, can't you take this to email? Or just let it go already? This is really getting ridiculous.
And please do not tell me to create a filter because, if I am not mistaken, the email group is called
On Oct 4, 2007, at 4:06 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:
Because I brought the analysis to the table, I said that it was
the foundation of my example, and you're taking the lazy way out
by not arguing on the points and positions.
Nope. It's quite as reasonable for me to run you around and waste
Regardless, someone who plays a game where they insist _they_ are
setting all the rules for a public discussion, and offers no
contribution except references to a website they did not write, and then
insists that a specific person who does not write essays on the subject
at their command using
Hi Susan,
Just modern, I'm afraid. I lost my dressage partner last December (33 yr.old
Trakehner - actually, he'd been a lawn ornament for a while), so my jackets
were just lower level show jackets. I did get a sidesaddle habit was looking
for a sidesaddle for a while, but he and I seemed to
Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote:
I usually buy the stuff from the chemist shop. It is in plates and
very nice to work with.
Right now i am going to use it for the stuffing of a muff. I make a
roll from it, from 3-4 layers of the plates, graduating in size.
I favour cotton quilt batting for the
I think this list needs a moderator to keep things from getting out of
hand as they are now. Insults should be posted privately, I think.
Let's all try to be as polite as we would be in person--assuming we
are! ;-)
Sylrog
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What great ideas - where was my brain? I've passed up lots of that stuff.
Patty
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Andrew T Trembley
Sent: Thu 10/4/2007 5:46 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: repurposed fabric... Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers
I'm perfectly willing to drop the subject if everyone else is. In this
case, troll is not an insult, but I think a very accurate description.
As I've already said, I'm not falling for it.
So, instead of the satisfaction of getting me punished by a moderator
when I've already dropped a
Lavolta Press wrote:
As for pictures, not only are they usually complete in themselves, bear
in mind that under US law (I understand that the laws of some foreign
countries are different, but do not know the details for each country)
photographs of paintings and other works of art have their
What's your dressmakers dummy wearing?
A few pins.
Now my other dummy, my full length these are my curves (OMGargh!)
dummy is wearing a non historical item that is still in the process of
being made. And no I can't say what that is. Suffice to say she is
practically nekkid at this point
I took Fran's advice earlier to delete the costume photos subject lines
rather than slog through it all, but this came thru as I was reading 'what's on
your dress dummy'.
For a minute I wondered what I was missing that could have led to the below
quote, but then I realized that the god of
The students are 9-11 yrs. old and we only have 6 45 min. classes. I don't
think I can ask them to buy a book for that.
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Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:54 AM
To: Historical Costume
On Thursday 04 October 2007, Cin wrote:
I'm bored with the medical, trademarks copyrights discussions. Any
chance we can return to our regularly scheduled topic?
Please?
What's your dressmakers dummy wearing?
My purely notional dummy is wearing nothing at the moment, but will soon sport
It's layered at the moment because I've got two projects in play:
1) a PVC version of a leather vest from the tv show Firefly that is
currently on hold until I find the right buckles and other notions to
complete it.
2) Over it is a white linen 16th c. shift which I am working on (along
with a
Thanks! I never thought of Dover.
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Behalf Of Catherine Olanich Raymond
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:02 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume photos
On Thursday 04 October 2007, Sharon Collier
On Oct 4, 2007, at 12:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But you'll have a very hard time getting ANY published material
copied at Kinko's. Ten years or so ago they were the subject of a
big copyright-violation suit because they were helping/encouraging
faculty to make their own textbooks
For $2 a yd. 100% linen medium weight. White with black appliqued linen
flowers. Took the flowers off and now I have a solid white linen material. I
plan on attaching the flowers together to make a long vest, may line it with
another color or fancy crochet/needle work bettween the flowers.
For $1
And if they are, we all giggle about the wonderful design on them.
Hey, I saw a gown hand done 2 years ago at the Laurel's challenge with DUCKY
cotton broadcloth lining. Was wonderful to pick up the hem and see that. Not
to mention it was the talk of the challenge.
Starr
And the extra
Lavolta Press wrote:
So, my first assignment for YOU is for YOU to go buy Richard Stim's
_Getting Permissions: How to License Clear Copyrighted Materials
Online Off._ It's readily available on the Nolo Press website, on
Amazon.com, and probably in libraries. It contains an extensive
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