Re: [h-cost] Corset at Manchester Galleries

2006-06-23 Thread michaela
I think there is a picture of the Manchester stays in Corsets and Crinolines, with a later date. I have a drawing from a student of the same stays, also dated later. I think that date given was 1670 - court dress of this time had the tops of the shoulders exposed. I just got out Cut of

Re: [h-cost] Corset at Manchester Galleries

2006-06-23 Thread Kate M Bunting
I was away when the original message was posted and, when I got back, couldn't access the page. Now I have seen the corset, I agree with what others have said. The long waist and dropped shoulders suggest to me the 1650s-60s. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor

Re: [h-cost] Corset at Manchester Galleries

2006-06-20 Thread Carmen Beaudry
Snip Though I do have a question, hopefully someone where has studied the art of making stays; why is it that before the 19thC strips of baleen used for the bulk of stays were so incredibly narrow? I'm sure you get more flexibility with it but still have a very supportive garment. But is the

Re: [h-cost] Corset at Manchester Galleries

2006-06-20 Thread Suzi Clarke
At 03:25 20/06/2006, you wrote: http://www.manchestergalleries.org/costume/object.php?irn=14962QueryPage=i n dex.phpthemeback=2CostumeTheme=costume%20sub-theme It is dated 1620 to 1640, but to my eye it looks a bit later. Does anyone on the list know anything about this garment, and

Re: [h-cost] Corset at Manchester Galleries

2006-06-20 Thread michaela
There has been talk of a set of stays being found in Wales, which are much earlier in date, and I believe Ian the Staymaker was invited to look at them. However, to the best of my knowledge, nothing has yet been published about them. Bjarne mentioned them in a post some time ago, I think. I

Re: [h-cost] Corset at Manchester Galleries

2006-06-20 Thread Carmen Beaudry
I think there is a picture of the Manchester stays in Corsets and Crinolines, with a later date. I have a drawing from a student of the same stays, also dated later. I think that date given was 1670 - court dress of this time had the tops of the shoulders exposed. Thank you, Suzi, this is

Re: [h-cost] Corset at Manchester Galleries

2006-06-20 Thread michaela
I think there is a picture of the Manchester stays in Corsets and Crinolines, with a later date. I have a drawing from a student of the same stays, also dated later. I think that date given was 1670 - court dress of this time had the tops of the shoulders exposed. Thank you, Suzi, this

Re: [h-cost] Corset at Manchester Galleries

2006-06-20 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 6/20/2006 7:46:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But is the benefit so great for so much more extra work? Was it down to the methods of cutting perhaps? When labor is cheaper than materials..who cares about extra

Re: [h-cost] Corset at Manchester Galleries

2006-06-20 Thread E House
I add my vote to the looks 1650s-70s to me group, but it's also worth mentioning that we have very, very little to go on. If this turned out to be a 1630s corset, I'd be a bit surprised based on the fashionable silhouette of the time and the extant boned bodices, but if it turned out to be

Re: [h-cost] Corset at Manchester Galleries

2006-06-19 Thread Sue Clemenger
It looks later to me, too, but the 17th century isn't my primary area. Heck, it almost looks 18th century-ish to me --Sue - Original Message - From: Carmen Beaudry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:32 PM Subject: [h-cost] Corset

Re: [h-cost] Corset at Manchester Galleries

2006-06-19 Thread michaela
http://www.manchestergalleries.org/costume/object.php?irn=14962QueryPage=i n dex.phpthemeback=2CostumeTheme=costume%20sub-theme It is dated 1620 to 1640, but to my eye it looks a bit later. Does anyone on the list know anything about this garment, and about how accurately it's dated?

Re: [h-cost] Corset at Manchester Galleries

2006-06-19 Thread Carmen Beaudry
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset at Manchester Galleries It looks later to me, too, but the 17th century isn't my primary area. Heck, it almost looks 18th century-ish to me --Sue They do look 17th cen., but later than the 1620-1640 date. They look very similar to other examples