On Monday 27 June 2005 15:45, Greg Woodhouse wrote:
A very general question: Is Extreme Programming (XP) an
appropriate model for open source?
A very general answer: Yes.
With all built in tests,
pair programming, and all that, is it even workable?
Only if everybody gives informed
Woodhouse
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A very general question: Is Extreme Programming
(XP) an appropriate
model for open source
By that do you mean XP (which is not really a life cycle model)?
I don't know that I've ever heard it claimed that rapid prototyping
*originated* with M, but I certainly agree that M is a language well
suited to rapid prototyping, and that it was one of the first languages
of this type.
--- A.
BTW, I'm intrigued that ASTM E-1340 incorporates a life cycle model.
Can you elaborate a bit on this? What is the rationale here? Why is the
life cycle model within scope for the standard? (I'm not saying it
shouldn't be.)
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Thats one Life Cycle Model useful
Yes, I was refrring to the XP LCM which has been under discussion. The
concept of Rapid Protoyping arose in the same time frame (late 1960s) as M
but the ASTM E-1340 arose in the mid 1980s after DHCP and the first X11.1
MUMPS std were already out but it arose specifically for guiding
I didn't quite read that book in one sitting. I picked it up one night
(just before going to bed) and finished it the next day.
--- David Sommers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm the proud owner of several Kent Beck's books and one in
particular
is Extreme Programming Explained.
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Gregory
All systems have a LIfe Cycle that embrace the key processes and
activities given in the IEEE/JTC1 SC7 standards for this area. Each
problem has a specific business case related to the particular system.
Depending upon the problem, the organization and use of the principles
will lead to the
I agree with you that there's a real irony here in that MUMPS is old
is rhetoric is becoming more common at the same time that rqapid
prototyping is coming (back) into vogue.
I am really of two minds when it comes to the relationship between life
cycle models and standards bodies. The main issue
Greg:
This is really a useful discussion for the M and VistA Community because
it probe's the idea of standard. At the 1989 MUG Meeting in Seattle we
had an extensive session on this. My work definition is
standards=common conventions (of all types). There are specifications
practices, guides
So, what do you think of the distinction between normative and
informative documents? Could a standard which is not a specification
(using your terminology) still be normative?
--- A. Forrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Consider the idea of a Standard Practice for Use of M in the System
Life
In general the terms Normative and informative are used in ISO
documents but their use, whereever they are used, implies conformity to
the type of standard that is published. Informative information (generally
in Appendices) is information which may change rather quickly but may be
an example
In the context of HL7, I'm used to seeing documents providing
background material, tutorials, and summaries of topics covered in
normative documents as informative.
--- A. Forrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In general the terms Normative and informative are used in ISO
documents but their use,
A very general question: Is Extreme Programming (XP) an appropriate
model for open source? With all built in tests, pair programming, and
all that, is it even workable? I have never tried consciously to adopt
XP as a practice, but many of the principles and practices in XP
resonate well with how I
What is extreme programming?
Jim Gray
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A very general question: Is Extreme Programming
(XP) an appropriate
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It's a programming methodology invented by Kent Beck. He speaks about
values like
- communication
- simplicity
- feedback
- courage
- respect
and principles describing how to put these values into practice. For
example, he recommends:
- having teams work together on an application traqding off
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A very general question: Is Extreme Programming
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Only sometimes. :-)
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Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but
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On Jun 27, 2005, at 8:35 PM, Nancy Anthracite wrote:
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