Re: [hlcoders] Host_Error under Steam
We never did figure out why this error was happening, but I did manage to fix it. Tom is right, it was happening when a player was kicked off the server. The way I fixed it was by removing a UTIL_SayToAll (or whatever it's called), that was telling everyone that the player was being booted off the server. That seemed to fix it, though I have no idea why. That was quite awhile ago, and for some unknown reason, this error has seemed to come back again in a recent playtest build, so I have no idea what's happening. -Charlie -- Charlie Cleveland Game programmer and designer http://www.natural-selection.org http://overmind.org - Original Message - From: Tom Grim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Host_Error under Steam I'm one of NS playtesters, and if Charlie doesn't get back to you... I do believe it was part of his custom authentication code for handling the playtesting that was doing it. If a player who wasn't authenticated to play joined a server, he could get so far as the readyroom fine. But if he joined the team, the authentication would kick him. If I recall correctly, it was a bug in the authentication process where an unauthorized player joining would kick everyone. Tom Grim aka Elven Thief --- Ben Banfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just encountered this bug in the latest version of bg and am about to start debugging using the method botman prescribed in this thread. However I'm just wondering what you're findings were for ns on this bug. Was it a special ns message? Is there anything I can do to help narrow this down? And help is appreciated as I fear this could be a long sunday afternoon otherwise :/ Thanks Ben The Battle Grounds Lead Programmer Charlie Cleveland wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] We're running some NS playtests under Steam, and one of the big problems were having is something called a Host_Error. Suddenly, everyone on the server will get kicked off the server, and will be back in their Steam UI. Written to everyone's console is this ominous error message: Host_Error: UserMsg: Not Present on Client 57 Does anyone have any idea on what might be causing this, or how to fix it? -Charlie -- Charlie Cleveland Game programmer and designer http://www.natural-selection.org http://overmind.org -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Host_Error under Steam
Alright thanks. My logging attempts have got me nowhere so far bar a 127meg log file with no hits for msg57. Gonna have to have a few releases with this logging in place by the looks of it :( This request as to Valve : Would it possible for this error not to cause the client to be dropped unless they were running with -dev or a high developer cvar setting. This would allow us to continue tracking down this bug without whole chunks of one team being dropped at random while playing. Ben The Battle Grounds Lead Programmer Charlie Cleveland wrote: We never did figure out why this error was happening, but I did manage to fix it. Tom is right, it was happening when a player was kicked off the server. The way I fixed it was by removing a UTIL_SayToAll (or whatever it's called), that was telling everyone that the player was being booted off the server. That seemed to fix it, though I have no idea why. That was quite awhile ago, and for some unknown reason, this error has seemed to come back again in a recent playtest build, so I have no idea what's happening. -Charlie -- Charlie Cleveland Game programmer and designer http://www.natural-selection.org http://overmind.org I'm one of NS playtesters, and if Charlie doesn't get back to you... I do believe it was part of his custom authentication code for handling the playtesting that was doing it. If a player who wasn't authenticated to play joined a server, he could get so far as the readyroom fine. But if he joined the team, the authentication would kick him. If I recall correctly, it was a bug in the authentication process where an unauthorized player joining would kick everyone. Tom Grim aka Elven Thief --- Ben Banfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just encountered this bug in the latest version of bg and am about to start debugging using the method botman prescribed in this thread. However I'm just wondering what you're findings were for ns on this bug. Was it a special ns message? Is there anything I can do to help narrow this down? And help is appreciated as I fear this could be a long sunday afternoon otherwise :/ Thanks Ben The Battle Grounds Lead Programmer Charlie Cleveland wrote: We're running some NS playtests under Steam, and one of the big problems were having is something called a Host_Error. Suddenly, everyone on the server will get kicked off the server, and will be back in their Steam UI. Written to everyone's console is this ominous error message: Host_Error: UserMsg: Not Present on Client 57 Does anyone have any idea on what might be causing this, or how to fix it? -Charlie ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Host_Error under Steam
Jeffrey botman Broome wrote: I don't think you'll ever see any pfnMessageBegin() calls with messages IDs below 64. The engine uses IDs 1-63 for internal stuff to the client. The only messages you will see going from the MOD code to the engine (via pfnMessageBegin) will be the ones the MOD registered (via REG_USER_MSG) and the first one the MOD registers will be 64 and go up from there. You get some under 64 which can be sent by the mod. 51 is the director message and 23 is the temp entity one. Nothing for 57 though. Back in the good ol' days you could run your MOD on a LAN and put a network sniffer inline capturing the network packets and look at those un-encrypted (since WON didn't authenticate and give you a encryption hash), but nowadays the LAN packets are encryped and you won't be able to decipher anything from them either. Your best bet is to start commenting out HUGH chunks of code and eliminating features one-by-one until the problem goes away and then you know what area to concentrate your investigations in. Other than that, your up the proverbial creek without a paddle. If I'm not actually sending a message with id 57, then what is going on. I find it pretty strange to think that two widly different mods have come up with the same error when in steam. It also begs the question why haven't we seen this in won. I don't know about NS, but I've never encountered this in won. I guess I better start paddling then. -- Jeffrey botman Broome Ben The Battle Grounds Lead Programmer. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Host_Error under Steam
I have just encountered this bug in the latest version of bg and am about to start debugging using the method botman prescribed in this thread. However I'm just wondering what you're findings were for ns on this bug. Was it a special ns message? Is there anything I can do to help narrow this down? And help is appreciated as I fear this could be a long sunday afternoon otherwise :/ Thanks Ben The Battle Grounds Lead Programmer Charlie Cleveland wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] We're running some NS playtests under Steam, and one of the big problems were having is something called a Host_Error. Suddenly, everyone on the server will get kicked off the server, and will be back in their Steam UI. Written to everyone's console is this ominous error message: Host_Error: UserMsg: Not Present on Client 57 Does anyone have any idea on what might be causing this, or how to fix it? -Charlie -- Charlie Cleveland Game programmer and designer http://www.natural-selection.org http://overmind.org -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Host_Error under Steam
I'm one of NS playtesters, and if Charlie doesn't get back to you... I do believe it was part of his custom authentication code for handling the playtesting that was doing it. If a player who wasn't authenticated to play joined a server, he could get so far as the readyroom fine. But if he joined the team, the authentication would kick him. If I recall correctly, it was a bug in the authentication process where an unauthorized player joining would kick everyone. Tom Grim aka Elven Thief --- Ben Banfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just encountered this bug in the latest version of bg and am about to start debugging using the method botman prescribed in this thread. However I'm just wondering what you're findings were for ns on this bug. Was it a special ns message? Is there anything I can do to help narrow this down? And help is appreciated as I fear this could be a long sunday afternoon otherwise :/ Thanks Ben The Battle Grounds Lead Programmer Charlie Cleveland wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] We're running some NS playtests under Steam, and one of the big problems were having is something called a Host_Error. Suddenly, everyone on the server will get kicked off the server, and will be back in their Steam UI. Written to everyone's console is this ominous error message: Host_Error: UserMsg: Not Present on Client 57 Does anyone have any idea on what might be causing this, or how to fix it? -Charlie -- Charlie Cleveland Game programmer and designer http://www.natural-selection.org http://overmind.org -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Host_Error under Steam
We're running some NS playtests under Steam, and one of the big problems were having is something called a Host_Error. Suddenly, everyone on the server will get kicked off the server, and will be back in their Steam UI. Written to everyone's console is this ominous error message: Host_Error: UserMsg: Not Present on Client 57 Does anyone have any idea on what might be causing this, or how to fix it? -Charlie I'm not a HL-code, but there was a post about some command that doesn't work any longer. Can you track the error down to a special command somewhere? What was everyone doing when the server crashed? And something a bit off topic: I just read about Steam bugs interrupting the playtests in the NS mapping forum and someone asked what the deadline for new co_maps will be. It's urgent because he sais he will not go to school just to get his map finished in time :O. A 'not before' date would be sufficient. Thx. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Host_Error under Steam
Hello Charlie, CC We're running some NS playtests under Steam, and one of the big problems were having is something called a Host_Error. Suddenly, everyone on the server will get kicked off the server, and will be CC back in their Steam UI. Written to everyone's console is this ominous error message: CC Host_Error: UserMsg: Not Present on Client 57 CC Does anyone have any idea on what might be causing this, or how to fix it? A HOST_ERROR is a server problem, a unexpected problem that result the game need to end (can't continue). But its not fatal as SYS_ERROR, a sys error is a engine crash, and end has a Messagebox. Well.. something bad occur, unexpected, not able to fix or ignore by engine interpreter. The error message show as is something related with UserMsg, and about some data that is not here (client with id 57?) maybe at a client_state_t struct, or something similar. Maybe the engine expect some user will exist and is actually removed from the structures data for some reason. Maybe the no of clients o index of client is not correct. Its Client 57 the 57th entity? I guess 0 is the world, 1 is the first player.. but maybe not, I know very littel about Half-Life. Good Luck! CC -Charlie CC -- CC Charlie Cleveland CC Game programmer and designer CC http://www.natural-selection.org CC http://overmind.org CC -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] Host_Error under Steam
The client 57 a sent a message that doesn't exist. -EvilGrin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charlie Cleveland Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 5:48 AM To: hlcoder Subject: [hlcoders] Host_Error under Steam This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] We're running some NS playtests under Steam, and one of the big problems were having is something called a Host_Error. Suddenly, everyone on the server will get kicked off the server, and will be back in their Steam UI. Written to everyone's console is this ominous error message: Host_Error: UserMsg: Not Present on Client 57 Does anyone have any idea on what might be causing this, or how to fix it? -Charlie -- Charlie Cleveland Game programmer and designer http://www.natural-selection.org http://overmind.org -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 23/09/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 23/09/2003 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Host_Error under Steam
Charlie Cleveland wrote: Host_Error: UserMsg: Not Present on Client 57 I might be wrong, but this 57 could be the message number. Try to find out what REG_USER_MSG() returns 57, maybe then you can find the message that causes that problem... Rockefeller ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Host_Error under Steam
Message 57 is initialized by the engine, as the first mod-level message I register is gmsgSelAmmo, which returns a message ID of 66. Is there a way to find out what a messageID is named? -Charlie -- Charlie Cleveland Game programmer and designer http://www.natural-selection.org http://overmind.org - Original Message - From: Michael Shimmins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:23 AM Subject: RE: [hlcoders] Host_Error under Steam Why would the occurrence of this error message be caused by anything different to every other time this message appears? The server sent a message to every client (I say every client since everyone gets kicked off at the same time), which the client code doesn't have the appropriate message receiver for. If this is occurring since the introduction of steam, I assume this would be a message steam is sending. Michael Shimmins Sesechial Software Phone: +613 9504 3665 Fax: +613 9504 3488 Mobile: 0407 643 414 ___ Important - This email and any attachments may be confidential. If received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using attachments, check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files our liability is limited to resupplying any affected attachments. Any representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender, and not necessarily those of Sesechial Software. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rockefeller Sent: Friday, 3 October 2003 1:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charlie Cleveland wrote: Host_Error: UserMsg: Not Present on Client 57 I might be wrong, but this 57 could be the message number. Try to find out what REG_USER_MSG() returns 57, maybe then you can find the message that causes that problem... Rockefeller ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Host_Error under Steam
Message 57 is initialized by the engine, as the first mod-level message I register is gmsgSelAmmo, which returns a message ID of 66. Is there a way to find out what a messageID is named? I don't believe there is a way to determine the original message name from the message ID given by the REG_USER_MSG() engine function. Like you have noticed, all message IDs below 64 are reserved for the engine and these are created internally in the engine (they don't use REG_USER_MSG to get created and you can't intercept them since the MOD code is not the one registering it). Internal engine messages are also not interceptable on the client side since the client-side engine will filter out any messages that it is supposed to process (for example all of the TE_xxx messages). I would think the only way for someone who doesn't have access to the engine source to track down what's causing the problem is to log EACH AND EVERY network message that gets sent to ALL clients (i.e. put a hook in MESSAGE_BEGIN and write out to a text file all the parameters). Make SURE you flush() the output file after every message so that when the engine crashes, you won't have stuff stuck in a memory buffer waiting to be written to disk. Then when the engine crashes, take a look at the last thing to be written to disk and that should be the one that caused the engine to crash. Good Luck. Jeffrey botman Broome ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
[hlcoders] Host_Error under Steam
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] We're running some NS playtests under Steam, and one of the big problems were having is something called a Host_Error. Suddenly, everyone on the server will get kicked off the server, and will be back in their Steam UI. Written to everyone's console is this ominous error message: Host_Error: UserMsg: Not Present on Client 57 Does anyone have any idea on what might be causing this, or how to fix it? -Charlie -- Charlie Cleveland Game programmer and designer http://www.natural-selection.org http://overmind.org -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
