Hi
I note that, following the link, Trac #6128 says:
There has been much discussion about how to achieve grouping in the journal,
and whether to move towards a hierarchical structure, like directories and
subdirectories on a normal file system. In the current design, tags are
intended to be
wolfram's mathematica page says:
Mathematica has been ported to the OLPC $100 laptop
Mathmatica has a licence fee, GeoGebra http://www.geogebra.org/ is free, (GNU
General Public License), and would be even more interesting to see on Sugar/XO
Tony
a lab session. Maybe there could be a
conference set that could be shipped round the world as required?
Tony Forster
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The awards for the Waveplace Carribean pilot are live at
http://www.waveplace.com/news/awards/ in 15 minutes
(if I can read my timezones correctly)
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On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 8:33 PM, David Van Assche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is a uniquely interesting site with content for the entire
British curriculum that has been put into a format importable in all
VLEs, with a concentration on Moodle.
Thanks David for this link. Lots of good
Sounds interesting.
Sugar/OLPC really needs a spreadsheet. Spreadsheets are powerful learning tools
which enable the manipulation and visualisation of data.
Why isn't the spreadsheet for Open Office included? Is it because its footprint
is too big or because its not sugarised?
In addition to
hi Donna and other Aussies,
Do you know the folks at Cybersource?
http://www.cyber.com.au/press/government_laptop_best_value_solution.html
hi Donna and other Aussies,
Do you know the folks at Cybersource?
http://www.cyber.com.au/press/government_laptop_best_value_solution.html
Con has
We had a similar thin client system in the computer lab of an education
conference recently. At least 2 of the sessions could not run as planned
because the workstations did not have the functionality of a normal PC. In my
case I needed 32M of video memory.
The same criticism though could be
Edward
With these arithmetic tiles and square root, I can do all of Euclidean
synthetic plane geometry and all of plane analytic geometry up to
You will still rapidly run into limitations with TA.
The canvas effectively limits the number of tiles you can have in your program,
scroll
Edward
Thanks. The code seems to contain many Magic Numbers, as in 'sqrt':
(('num',True,0,20),('num',False,42,20)),
Are they documented anywhere?
A little documentation on these magic numbers which specify docking coordinates
at http://sugarlabs.org/go/Modifying_Activities#tasetup.py
I view resume by default as a kind of ugly hack to paper over another
problem ... Resume by default discourages users from creating
new documents until such time as we can handle the volume of documents
they create.
Sugar should be low entry, wide walls and high ceiling That is, while
thanks for the comments
Tagging is good, but best for information which is impractical to
structure.
I doubt that there is consensus here on this question. Does anybody know of
any relevant empirical data?
I don't have anything empirical, I hope someone does.
I suspect you can run that
A trial of 10,000 take home netbooks at
netbooktrial.wikispaces.com
They come with Vista and a selection of proprietary and open source software.
Some interesting material for classroom activities and evaluation details
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1. Walter or someone with python knowledge, could you review the
Modifying Sugar chapter at
http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/ModifyingSugar?
Sorry a bit late with this suggestion. Also I am just about to be travelling
and can't help implement.
Modifying Activities
Another approach to third world networks is HF radio
http://www.peoplefirst.net.sb/general/PFnet.htm
People First Network is a rural networking project that promotes rural
development and peace building by enabling affordable and sustainable rural
connectivity and facilitating information
Noticed this Flash based logic simulator:
http://joshblog.net/projects/logic-gate-simulator/Logicly.html
Would be quite a simple sandbox activity to make (python, gtk+,
ciaro); but before I burn time (well add to my future todos list), do
teachers on this list think it is more
The below patch adds a clock device to the frame:
Thanks Martin, I have wanted a clock for a long time.
Can we please have an idiots guide for installation?
eg
remove the leading + symbols
save it as *.py
do what with it?
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Hi all,
for a presentation here in Vienna that's coming up at the end of the
week Tano (in CC) and myself are looking for videos (in English or with
English subtitles) of Sugar and XO in action.
you may find something at www.waveplace.com or search youtube for waveplace
Tony
[sorry, I am not on sugar-devel list]
Hi Tomeu
Two points expanded:
altering the filenames and extensions of email attachments
Could you please expand on this use case?
Using webmail, you save a mail attachment to the journal, the filename is not
preserved. Using webmail you retransmit
this mail got lost in the ether for 2 days, its old stuff and has been
discussed long ago:
[sorry, I am not on sugar-devel list]
Hi Tomeu
Two points expanded:
altering the filenames and extensions of email attachments
Could you please expand on this use case?
Using webmail,
Walter wrote
In Sugar, we bundle an IRC Activity that defaults to #sugar.
* Is there more we can do to encourage participation?
IRC can be a bit daunting for the beginner, both the technical aspects and the
etiquette. I have added a link to each team meeting page
Help:
Your links is daunting to the beginner, too. How do I get there?
oops, sorry, internal sugarlabs wiki link
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Contacts#IRC.2C_Internet_Relay_Chat
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Radia Perlman in the 70s when at student at MIT did extensive experiments
with preliterate children and the LOGO turtle and built a number of
interfaces for them. She also spent some time at Xerox PARC where we
duplicated her interfaces and did many similar experiments with chldren 3
Hi...
Has anyone out there in Sugarland been able to run Open Office on an XO? I
have someone doing a project that sounds like he may need a spreadsheet
program and a presentation program for.
I used to think that the lack of a spreadsheet was a serious deficiency but now
think that
I share Alan and Edward's concern that we are selling kids short, if physics
education is all about just getting the 'right' answers but want to break down
the question posed by Greg into some sub-questions:
1)Despite the limitations of education which focuses on getting the 'right'
answers,
Jim
I like the icon of the browser on the open book
To me it says: get a book from the internet
Unlike the other suggestions, it can be interpreted without any prior
knowledge, because it builds on the Browse and book reader icons which have
their meaning defined within Sugar by these
I like Physics, thanks for drawing my attention to it. A simple guide to
hacking Physics using Activities that normally come with a XO (Browse, Pippy
Terminal) at
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Modifying_Activities#Modifying_Physics
Currently all objects have the same material settings:
Bert
Here's the pseudocode:
Information about object: controller
Sprite: no sprite
Solid: false
Visible: true
Depth: 0
Persistent: false
Parent: no parent
Mask: same as sprite
Create Event:
set Alarm 0 to 7
set variable foodnumber to 0
set variable bugnumber to 0
execute code:
show_info()
set
We are hoping that the kids can create a US version of the Uruguay
geography/facts game. Any ideas on how to make that easy to do? The
vision is they will learn things in class then make them into questions
to put into the game. We will meet with the third grade on Thursday
afternoons.
See
Thanks Caroline/Mel/Walter for documenting this
They are useful observations
It may help to give some background:
year level
socio-economics
in school/lunchtime/holiday program?
prior experience (including Logo etc)
Should you introduce standard terminology and what about concepts which they
On idle thought #1: Give me a few icons to use as examples. Then I'll
try to find time to just point to it and ask the kids: what do you
think that does. The truth is that I'm not sure how they figured out
that the computer can talk! I'm guessing its from the Speak icon but
that's really an
Bill
I have been putting together a guide on reprogramming the Physics Activity
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Modifying_Activities#Modifying_Physics
because:
I like Physics, its good learning
The Python/Sugar 'wrapper' code is not too difficult to program
So another option is to modify the code
I'd imagine that the sound of the letter would vary depending on language,
right?
There is a dictionary for each language (eg. en_dict for English) which is
compiled from a rules file and a list file, you can find a description of the
syntax for these files in the dictionary documentation
We found out today that summer school ends a week sooner then we thought! It
ends next week.
We want to send the sticks home with the kids. We need to write a letter to
the parents explaining what the stick is. Does anyone have any suggestions
or sample letters?
What would be good, but
do any of the Activities requiring peripherals work with SoaS? For example,
what works with Measure? Can you use the temperature probe? Does the
oscilloscope work?
My recollection is that the audio input for data logging doesnt work on non XO
hardware but I could be wrong. Walter will
I tried Map on a XO
The map viewer and search worked OK. I didnt try to insert any material from
the Journal.
It starts zoomed in on Boston and I had to do a lot of pressing zoom out before
I could do any useful navigation. I did not see a zoom slider tool. It is
missing a lot of features of
Hi Nick
Map V3 reports as V2 in the home list view
Its still effectively twice as slow as google maps to go to a new location,
would be better if it started zoomed out
Does not display map/satellite/hybrid/terrain till you zoom (i think you
pointed that out)
sometimes measure takes its first
Alan
You ask whether Bill's Physics Activity suggestions have anything to do with
real science. You rightly point out that the Physics Activity is an imperfect
simulation of the real world and just as mysterious. Certainly playing with the
Physics Activity is not the best way to discover how
For some reason Browse on my XO is having difficulty getting anything from
activities.sugarlabs.org but my PC with Firefox is OK.
Its just activities.sugarlabs.org and its subdirectories
http://www.sugarlabs.org/ is ok
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/ is ok
can anyone confirm that there is a
Thanks Aleksey
(for the benefit of others we discussed this offlist last night my time)
Aleksey was able to access the site OK but it has been offline on my XO for 48
hours, there was a period last night of about an hour when it was offline on my
PC too. It appears to be a routing issue between
Its worth looking at http://www.edulists.com.au/
to see what help teachers ask for (see archived messages)
and what they share (click on a branch)
You will see that its mainly the ICT areas where there are contributions.
Some thoughts:
Its really only the ICT teachers that network, probably
I have tried to create on a 2GB stick and it fails: not enough space
Have tried the max allowed a bit over 1.5G, 1.5G and 1.4G
the iso is 379 MB
Tony
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 16:19, robertorobert...@gmail.com wrote:
hello
At GPA we will be working with the 4th grade. Their fall science topic
is Electricity
and magentism.
We have the GCompris activity: GCompris Electric 11
Any other suggestions?
http://tonyforster.blogspot.com/2009/03/xo-electricity-and-magnetism.html
This works on the XO but may not work on
Dave
After reserving 1GB, windows reports 1.87G total, 1.36G used, 0.526G free
The log below shows attempts ranging from 1.539GB to 1.05GB
In all cases it fails near the 99% point, on closer reading it was only 1.539GB
that reported insufficient space. My recollection is that the on screen
If you are redoing clean, I have found an inconsistency in TA63
clean clears the print display but the eraser icon does not
Good point. I'll look into adding the new block (probably not until
after feature freeze, alas).
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This article quotes the study of Romanian students which found that computers
lowered learning outcomes
I believe this study is flawed and its conclusions suspect
http://tonyforster.blogspot.com/2008/06/home-pcs-lower-education-results.html
Tony
This may have already come up in the 680
see http://wiki.laptop.org/images/f/fb/Literature_Review_040309.pdf
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Software Freedom Day, Melbourne, Sat 19th September
http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/melb
Squeak - Tansel Ersavas 12:30
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:24:56 -0400
From: Deborah Nicholson members...@fsf.org
Subject: [FSF] Turtles all the way down to the source
Gerald
I for one am interested. Can you make your research public? If so why not
upload to olpc or sugarlabs wiki?
Tony
This literature review is fantastic.
I am a middle school science teacher in Northern Westchester County, NY, and
am also a doctoral student at Pace University. My
I have received an inquiry on implementing constructionism from a high
official in the Bolivian government.
Since my opinion may be biased :-), I request you help us with clear,
simple and please objective answers (no vapor-stuff), if at all possible
Yamandu
The short answer is probably
Hi
Another consideration is the reading age of the books. This tip I found useful:
You can use the grammar checker of MS Word to find the Flesch-Kincaid reading
age of a text by just pasting a few paragraphs of the text into Word.
Tony
I made a (very) little survey:
- the Alice in wonderland
There is a description of Mime at
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar.mime#Who_decides_the_default_activity_for_opening_files_of_different_mime_types.3F
and more at
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Journal_entry_bundles
You can specify the Mime if using copy-to-journal from the command line
eg
Speak has editable dictionaries which control the sound, for each language
there is a rules and list file
It should be possible to edit them to make the sounds of individual letters,
its certainly possible to do the opposite, sound the name of the letters in
abbreviations eg. OLPC
Bernie
I have added Logo material at
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Presentations#Presentations_on_Logo_Like_Languages
Tony
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Dear Walter,
the education technology lead at Paraguay Educa, Pacita, is looking for
some good papers about the benefits of LOGO and similar
Maria has posted a recording of the webinar at
http://mathfuture.wikispaces.com/Math+Games+Framework
Tony
This is a part of the Math 2.0 Interest Group series of weekly open
webinars. We will discuss a few game design books, see what game mechanics
correspond to math ideas, and look at
Pythagoras video at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTuAq5OeWhY
could be done in Turtle Art or Etoys
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thanks to an article on eschoolnews.com
(http://www.eschoolnews.com/2010/02/16/11-programs-only-as-good-as-their-teachers/)
I stumbled across a special edition of the Journal of Technology, Learning
and Assessment (JTLA) which focuses on Educational Outcomes and Research
from 1:1
Here is an SVG of the simplest proof of the Pythagorean theorem I
know, by dissection of a large square into five pieces that fit
together into two smaller squares side by side.
Thanks Edward
Not an easy task to do in Game Maker because you would need to generate the
triangles in both the
Thanks Tony I had missed that when I skimmed it. There is lots of evidence,
including common sense, for the importance of increased learning time.
Sugar on a Stick people, this is important to us too, we need sticks that
work outside the school. :)
Caroline
just found another study:
Which brings us back to the
point that symbolism is not the same as algebra.
Maria Droujkova
Maria,
Can you please expand that point
Lemke would, I think, argue that mathematics is a set of symbols for
communicating with and thinking with
http://www.schools.ash.org.au/litweb/page500.html
What about multimedia objects in a ta project?
I'm not even sure how to transfer a project between two computers with
associated multimedia . Manually copy all relevant journal entries? Are
entrynames preserved?
Tony
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I am developing an activity for XO laptop. Through which child can learn
about the various mode of transpiration. Can any body suggest me which
software I can use to develop the activity.
Maybe Etoys or Turtle Art? Both are powerful programming languages, they also
allow students to look
You know, of course, that under the View toolbar in Turtle Art, the
coordinates of the Turtle are displayed. :) Any feedback re TA-83
would be very welcome.
-walter
Wow - This is great work! This was something I was missing in class
sometimes, as I have already told you ;D This
Caroline
Thanks for bring this to my attention, you have done a good video presentation
of it. Testing (and tailoring instruction as a response) is coming back into
fashion in Australia. Australia seems to lag the US in this.
The US has had the No Child Left Behind for a while now, which has
I have been unable to install Bernie's OS67 or Steven Parrish's os12,
Bernie and I have been discussing this off list. If anybody has the same
problem please let us know.
Detailed instructions on the installation process are at
Bernie
Build 115 looks good thanks. I was able to run TurtleArt under both Sugar and
Gnome. That was fun.
Touchpad seems jumpier but that may just be coincidence.
Only problem is that the XO will not boot unless a USB is plugged in with a
devkey. This is probably why I was unable to use your
This was posted to mobile-devel-l...@gnome.org by Stormy. I figure,
while not directly gnome mobile sugar uses alot of the gnome mobile
stack. Someone from San Francisco might be interested or able to do a
combined sugar and gnome-mobile event.
Its certainly worth considering making Sugar
âyou cannot edit projects on the phone. The authoring UI would have to
be completely redesigned. For serious work it's just too small, you at least
need a screen size like the XO hasâ
Thanks Bert Cherry
What would a good learning app for a phone look like? It need not be a visual
block
Fwd: OECD releases a new report on technology use and educational
performance in PISA
Dear all,
The OECD Centre for Educational Research and Innovation, in cooperation
with the OECD Directorate for Science, Technology and Industry and with
the support of the Norwegian Ministry of
you probably have all this but:
A: a floppy
B: the second floppy
C: the hard drive
D: etc additional drives in the time order windows discovered them
To eject, click on the remove hardware icon at the bottom right
left click is less confusing than right click
you get a list of removable drives,
Looks like it might be part of the Oxford Reading Tree
http://fds.oup.com/www0.oup.com/ort/2/intro.html
Tony
I've been following your comments on this. Am I the only one who
finds this charming but at the same time strangely disturbing
If you mean the intrusion of the outside world into their idyllic
lifestyle - no
If you mean the interviewee talking about Darwinian social evolution - yes
On
Caryl
A little more research by me
the interviewed social Darwinist is Robert Wright, the author of Nonzero
http://www.nonzero.org/
The filmmaker is Righteous Pictures http://righteouspictures.com/
Wright seems to believe that there is a higher purpose to biological
and social evolution,
Hi Dinko
A Pippy example of reading data from the microphone input would be good. See
Measure and Turtle Art experimental fork for code.
It would be good if the samples you create could also be used in the Turtle
Blocks programmable Python block
Tony
Hello everyone,
I'm Dinko and I'll
Quoting Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com:
Caryl
Open the Log activity and see if you are generating any error messages
You will find a lot of warnings already in the logs but you may see
some new error messages, particularly in the log for write after you
paste
Tony
Hi Folks...
A
my recollection it is except for the name scratch and the cat.
that is, you can create a fork if you dont call it scratch and you dont use the
cat graphic
tony
Is Scratch free software now? I believe it didn't used to be. The
license page in ASLO is empty:
Also about Scratch variations..I came across panther
http://scratch.wikia.com/wiki/Panther
Thanks Rafael for finding Panther. Looking at the dates its only just been
released.
Its a strong endorsement of Sugar's educational philosophy, open source, low
entry, high ceiling (or Turtles all
Yes, please, all meetings listed in UTC.
There are now proposals for Deployment and Community meetings. What are the
scope of the two meetings? Is there overlap? Are both going ahead?
Attending meetings is a big commitment from Australia/NZ, they are typically
4am local time, we understand
This study seems to make a powerful argument in favor of ramping up the
quantity of e-book content on school servers.
Books in the home as important as parents� education level
http://www.unr.edu/nevadanews/templates/details.aspx?articleid=5450zoneid=8
Thank Chris
Even more interesting
Video of Australian OLPC deployment at http://7pmproject.com.au/video.htm
Select full episodes on RHS, Tuesday 25 May, Missing children's day; One Laptop
Per Child
Video starts after advertisement, after missing children's day, a little over
halfway through the video
Quoting Raul Gutierrez Segales r...@rieder.net.py:
Yes, thanks all and specially Raul and Tabitha. When is the next meeting?
How about next Wed (Jun 9th)?
What time?
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East coast Australia is UTC +10, (NZ I think is +12)
For me, avoid UTC 14 to UTC UTC 19
Tony
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:32, Tabitha Roder tabi...@tabitha.net.nz wrote:
Do we have a time yet for our next deployments meeting? Last message I have
is that we said Wednesday 9 June.
What time
Ian
Do you think that the solution is to create a new and more narrow list which
meets the needs of deployers and teachers or to narrow the scope of IAEP and
moderate it to keep it within scope?
My understanding if IAEP is thats its a catch all, if you only follow one
list, its the one to
http://www.seaton-olpc-ug.org/?q=node/227
Hi
Can some of you send me some links to sites with free ebooks/digital
textbooks suitable for use in primary schools... English is ok. Need to be
culturally unbiased if possible. I need these for for folks doing
Contributors Program
Hi
I ran the introduction as Python code with Pippy
this was probably not what you intended yet
but it looks good
I added run() to the end of the file
it gave errors for .lowercase() so i deleted them
Lines of text break in the middle of words
it is good how you respond if students type
maybe print zero decimal places if they have followed your instructions but
print a float (maybe with an explanation) if it evaluates to not a whole number
Hi Tony,
thanks for the suggestions. I've been thinking about some of those things
myself already.
I have only one comment:
On
I have been using OS258py
It is unsigned and requires that the XO's be unlocked but that's not too hard
to do for a small deployment
Later py builds are even better but I havent tried them
The main advantage is having Gnome. If you get stuck trying to do something in
Sugar, you drop briefly
Soren
I hope a non-Sugar anecdote is OK.
I had a year 6 (aprox. 11year old) student in my class programming in a
TurtleArt/Etoys/Scratch like drag and drop programming language with top end
extensibility through a scripting language.
He found a strategy game with quite complex coding in the
What a depressing talk... Did anyone see any learning happening?
-walter
Walter
I presume you refer to the student achievements being at the lower end of
Bloom's Taxonomy: internet search and data retrieval with little evidence of
having thought about the information on the way?
In one
While I am asking, is there a reason why the files for the XO-1 for 852 are
.img and fs.zip while those for Dextrose are .img and .crc?
Think its the difference between signed and unsigned builds, to use the crc one
you need to be unlocked.
Thats if I have it right.
*Tony* - *Having a FOSS culture means that lots of smaller design
decisions are made which empower the learner*
Soren
I find it a bit strange being asked to explain FOSS culture. I run Windows on
my computer and see myself as a little bit of an outsider.
It is, I guess, difficult to define
Hola
El problema de pizza se ha discutido en este hilo, que tiene
exactamente 920 pesos y pizzas costo 160 y 120, ¿cuántos puede comprar?
Turtle Art pueden resolver problemas complejos, sólo por diversión,
aquí es una solución
The pizza problem has been discussed in this thread, you have
Interesting
More on visual and text programming languages
http://www98.griffith.edu.au/dspace/bitstream/10072/24250/1/52212_1.pdf
Tony
Quoting K. K. Subramaniam kksubbu...@gmail.com:
On Tuesday 28 Sep 2010 2:59:57 am Dr. Gerald Ardito wrote:
The 5th graders took pretty well to Etoys. It is
As to be expected - based on my own experiences while I was in Peru as
well as talking to a lot of people who've worked there in the past -
these first results aren't particularly great.
Thanks Christoph
Is there an English language version, Google Translate is a bit of a mess.
Some of the
Quoting Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com:
I have a partial draft of a textbook on the subject at
http://www.booki.cc/discovering-discovery/ It encourages XO owners to
explore on their own and find out what questions they have before we
give them answers.
I like the idea. It encourages users
Hi
You might get some ideas from
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter#Libre_Planet_talk
or
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Tonyforster#Software_Freedom_Day_Melbourne_2010
Tony
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Here's a Start, just add yours to the list:
Getting to BIOS
eeePC 701 F2
eeePC 900 Esc
Dell Inspiron F12
Award Bios Del
LanParty bios ctrl alt esc
Instructions are usually displayed on the screen but you have to be a fast
reader
Advice from a 17 year old: just press
Scott
Thanks for your comments. As this is now more a discussion on
education, I have copied to IAEP.
Background for the IAEP list:
Suggested experiments for using TurtleArt with external sensors are at
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/TurtleArt/Using_Turtle_Art_Sensors
The
Carlos,
translating:
The book is
Mindstorms, Children, Computers and Powerful Ideas Mindstorms
Children, Computers and Powerful Ideas
http://www.amazon.com/Mindstorms-Children-Computers-Powerful-Ideas/dp/0465046746
Caryl
I am interested in hearing more of your project,
what would the math games look like?
What is the skill level of the programmers?
How was Scratch inadequate for their needs?
Two alternatives to consider are Turtle Art and Pippy/Pygame.
Turtle Art, like Scratch is very 'low entry', its
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