Re: Filling in the holes

2011-10-30 Thread glen herrmannsfeldt
Shmuel Metz , Seymour J. shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: (snip, I wrote) As I understand it, Fortran variables, and DS in assembler, generate holes in the object program (no TXT record for that position), and are filled in either by the linkage editor or program fetch. Not quite. The exact

Re: BPXI039I and SHRLIBRGNSIZE at 100%

2011-10-30 Thread Mike Schwab
http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21178068 If the shared library cache is not big enough, then z/OS will revert to normal storage use and the load module will be loaded into the broker address space. [That would mean multiple copies of the programs.]

Re: BPXI039I and SHRLIBRGNSIZE at 100%

2011-10-30 Thread John McKown
I'm ignorant of this. But did a search in IBMLink. It appears that there are shared libraries in z/OS UNIX which are loaded somewhere? (not documented where). The size of this area is specified in the SHRLIBRGNSIZE parameter. The load modules loaded into this area are .so UNIX dynamic subroutines

BPXI039I and SHRLIBRGNSIZE at 100%

2011-10-30 Thread John Gilmore
Lizette, Your current value, 64MiB, is the very conservative z/OS default. If you are 1) making significant use of Java and 2) have multiple CICS regions in which it is in use you may safely double it and then work back down by observing how much of it is in use over an interval of one or two

Re: Filling in the holes

2011-10-30 Thread glen herrmannsfeldt
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:38:33 -0500, John McKown wrote: As I recall the x'81' in the undefined area was a mod by SLAC to the Linkage Editor. I remember it well. Mainly because IBM had a bunch of DS (then someone else wrote) Hmmm. Would that tend to bloat load modules, or does the load module

Re: Filling in the holes

2011-10-30 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 00:15:38 -0700, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: If a DS happens to be at a load module record boundary then it isn't filled in by the linkage editor, otherwise it is. If I understand what you write: XCSECT DCC'A' YDS1000C'B' ... Y will likely

Re: BPXI039I and SHRLIBRGNSIZE at 100%

2011-10-30 Thread Lizette Koehler
John McKown Wrote: I'm ignorant of this. But did a search in IBMLink. It appears that there are shared libraries in z/OS UNIX which are loaded somewhere? (not documented where). The size of this area is specified in the SHRLIBRGNSIZE parameter. The load modules loaded into this area are

Re: BPXI039I and SHRLIBRGNSIZE at 100%

2011-10-30 Thread Mike Schwab
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com wrote: John and Mike Thanks.  I guess this is going to be an ETR to IBM.  I am not sure how to monitor or identify when more is better or if I can use less.  This happened after an IPL, so I am sure that there are new

Re: Information About Library Before and After Compress

2011-10-30 Thread Richard L Peurifoy
On 10/29/2011 3:55 AM, Ted MacNEIL wrote: Directory is 62 (or so) blocks (to take up the entire first track). 44 IIRC it is 45 for a 3390, and 46 for a 3380. -- Richard -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: Filling in the holes

2011-10-30 Thread Richard L Peurifoy
On 10/29/2011 5:44 PM, Shmuel Metz , Seymour J. wrote: In5296461027529388.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu, on 10/27/2011 at 06:53 PM, Paul Gilmartinpaulgboul...@aim.com said: I recall a computer, perhaps pre-360; perhaps non-IBM whose operator's console had a deeply recessed button

Re: As IBM CEO, Ginni Rometty will bring some Midwestern charm

2011-10-30 Thread Ed Gould
Shmuel, Hopefully it was the appropriate uniform for the time and place :) Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the

Re: Filling in the holes

2011-10-30 Thread Ed Gould
Paul with unknown stuff. Ed On Oct 30, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 00:15:38 -0700, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: If a DS happens to be at a load module record boundary then it isn't filled in by the linkage editor, otherwise it is. If

Re: Filling in the holes

2011-10-30 Thread Ed Gould
Glen, Long long ago and on a different continent, I was writing a FORTRAN F program and ran into a similar issue by accident. I was compiling the program the first time and I got a B37 on the object deck. I had initialized the large array with zero's after figuring out the issue it was easier

Re: STP and Time Change

2011-10-30 Thread Scott Ford
Yep, I know that I have never heard of STP, I dont use STP on z/OS , no real need. I have used the NTPD on various Unix platforms. Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com   From: Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net To:

Re: As IBM CEO, Ginni Rometty will bring some Midwestern charm

2011-10-30 Thread Scott Ford
Shmuel,   Absolutely, also home of Ft. Benjamin Harrison. My father worked out there for Unisys as a civilian, really nice ppl. Hoosiers are usually all pretty nice in general, as in most cases there are exceptions to the rule. Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com  

Re: Maintenance at two in the afternoon? On a Friday?

2011-10-30 Thread Uriel Carrasquilla
An obvious corollary is that system maintenance should be done when the local time is 0300 everywhere. Not a bad idea unless you happen to be the one doing the maintenance half awake. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: Maintenance at two in the afternoon? On a Friday?

2011-10-30 Thread Scott Ford
Lol, I used to have system time(test) at 4:00am ...in NYC ... Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com   From: Uriel Carrasquilla uriel.carrasqui...@mail.mcgill.ca To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 2:36 PM Subject: Re:

Re: filling in the holes

2011-10-30 Thread John Gilmore
Paul Gilmartin's question is a curious one. As the HLASM LR makes clear repeatedly, DS nominal values are optional, and nothing is ever assembled into the space they map or reserve. The binder has an option, FILL, that permits any character, x'00' through x'ff', to be specified for use in

Re: CRLF in Unix being translated on Mainframe to x'25'

2011-10-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 2944060858263639.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu, on 10/29/2011 at 03:51 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: What's really LF? Move to the same column of the next line, of course. What else could it be? 0x0A? That makes no sense in the context of data where LF really means

Re: filling in the holes

2011-10-30 Thread Jim Thomas
Sir, Forgive me ... but a question if I may ... DS has inherently been used for nothing more than to define an area that was initialized during 'housekeeping' .. From the last few threads, am I to take it that DS act's like a DC in some circumstances ??. Please acknowledge and advise.

Re: filling in the holes

2011-10-30 Thread John Gilmore
Jim, I'm not sure that I fully understand your question. DS defines or maps storage. In a CSECT or RSECT it defines the extent and makeup of storage WITHOUT initializing it. In a DSECT it merely maps storage, provides one of perhaps several alternative interpretations of the data type or data

Re: filling in the holes

2011-10-30 Thread Jim Thomas
Sir, No you are not being dumb ... I think I just misunderstood a few words (terminology) ... AFAIK, DS fields, quite unlike DC fields, were never 'automatically' initialized. Kind Regards. Kind Regards Jim Thomas 617-233-4130 (mobile) 636-294-1014(res)

Re: Maintenance at two in the afternoon? On a Friday?

2011-10-30 Thread Ed Gould
John, Way back in the '70's I used to work on a online savings system. At that time all banks were closed on weekends. It was great as we had test time a plenty. We ran into a time crunch was every quarter we had to calculate interest before 8 AM. We had zero allowance for problems. From close

Re: filling in the holes

2011-10-30 Thread glen herrmannsfeldt
Continuing, DC generates object code TXT data, and DS doesn't. That requires a new card for each change. If you write: X CSECT DC X'1' DS X DC X'1' DS X DC X'1' DS X DC X'1' DS X DC X'1' DS X DC X'1' DS X DC X'1' END Then the assembler

Re: filling in the holes

2011-10-30 Thread Mike Schwab
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v1r11/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.zos.r11.e0zm100/chbeget.htm SYS1.PARMLIB(DIAGxx) value VSM USEZOSV1R9RULES(NO) is old allocation method, YES is new allocation method. Yes is default for z/OS 1.9 only. Quote: Enable changed GETMAIN and STORAGE OBTAIN

Re: Maintenance at two in the afternoon? On a Friday?

2011-10-30 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
ps2...@yahoo.com (Ed Gould) writes: John, Way back in the '70's I used to work on a online savings system. At that time all banks were closed on weekends. It was great as we had test time a plenty. We ran into a time crunch was every quarter we had to calculate interest before 8 AM. We had

Re: CRLF in Unix being translated on Mainframe to x'25'

2011-10-30 Thread John McKown
On Sat, 2011-10-29 at 19:28 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In 2944060858263639.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu, on 10/29/2011 at 03:51 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: What's really LF? Move to the same column of the next line, of course. What else could it be?

Re: CRLF in Unix being translated on Mainframe to x'25'

2011-10-30 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
joa...@swbell.net (John McKown) writes: Depends on the printer. 0x0A on many DecWriters did both a CR and an LF function. That's why UNIX defaulted that way, from what I was told. No need to do any character translation or additions if you just did a cp to the device. Of course, Windows via

Re: Testing g RTM routine

2011-10-30 Thread David Cole
At 10/28/2011 11:43 AM, Bill Fairchild wrote: After following the advice in all the other previous answers, sooner or later you will still need to know how to test your SRB and its recovery routine. You probably won't be able to instruction-step or trace either very easily with TSOTEST or

Re: Maintenance at two in the afternoon? On a Friday?

2011-10-30 Thread Ed Gould
Anne, I do not remember specifics. As it's been 40 years but we had a nasty sort issue one quarter the software group had installed a new sort that we found out that wouldn't allow us to sort on a half byte (4 bits). We had a system that didn't have the sign on numerical fields (packed

Re: Maintenance at two in the afternoon? On a Friday?

2011-10-30 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 17:52 -0400 on 10/29/2011, John Gilmore wrote about Re: Maintenance at two in the afternoon? On a Friday?: There is a piece of police lore which has it that 0300 local time, when almost everyone is asleep, is the best time to arrest someone in his home. I remember a movie set in France

ECSA usage - Clarification

2011-10-30 Thread Jake anderson
Hi All, My RMF workflow/exception monitorning Snap Shot showed the below information. -- Exceptions - Name ReasonCritical val. Possible cause or action *ECSA* SECS% 70 73.3 % System ECSA usage 73 %.