Re: AUTOIPL (was Re: Health Check (IBMSVA,SVA_AUTOIPL_DEFINED)

2011-10-07 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In of57389144.a4f7a555-on85257922.0002ad82-85257922.00070...@us.ibm.com, on 10/06/2011 at 09:16 PM, Jim Mulder d10j...@us.ibm.com said: That require a bit more code in the AMDSADMP macro (in HLASM macro language, which is not my favorite programming language). Could you contract it out? I'm

Re: AUTOIPL (was Re: Health Check (IBMSVA,SVA_AUTOIPL_DEFINED)

2011-10-06 Thread Jim Mulder
AutoIPL processing is driven by the wait state code/reason code that ends up occurring, so the question is, what would that be in the situation you are describing? If the system is alive enough that XCF's status update task can get dispatched and read from the couple data set, then I would

Re: AUTOIPL (was Re: Health Check (IBMSVA,SVA_AUTOIPL_DEFINED)

2011-10-06 Thread Barbara Nitz
For restartable wait states which are not in the WSAT, no AutoIPL action is taken. For nonrestartable wait states which are not in the WSAT, the current AutoIPL action from DIAGxx is taken. 0A2-104 is nonrestartable. So your AutoIPL action will be taken. Ah. Then I misunderstood the WSAT.

Re: AUTOIPL (was Re: Health Check (IBMSVA,SVA_AUTOIPL_DEFINED)

2011-10-06 Thread Shane
On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 02:56:20 -0500 Barbara wrote: ... This will dump all paged out storage: DUMP=('DSP OF ASID(ALL) ALSO PAGETABLES OF DATASPACES X ALSO SP(ALL) IN ASID(ALL) X ALSO HIGH VIRTUAL IN ASID(ALL)'), X For performance/timing

Re: AUTOIPL (was Re: Health Check (IBMSVA,SVA_AUTOIPL_DEFINED)

2011-10-06 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 2447548503353976.wa.nitzibmgmx@bama.ua.edu, on 10/06/2011 at 02:56 AM, Barbara Nitz nitz-...@gmx.net said: Reminds me of the customer who complained after taking an sadump for a slip with a=wait that MVS wasn't restartable afterwards. :-) Well, if IBM hadn't killed DSS , ... *You*

Re: AUTOIPL (was Re: Health Check (IBMSVA,SVA_AUTOIPL_DEFINED)

2011-10-06 Thread Jim Mulder
If your specify CONSOLE=(SYSC) with no devices, the default console 01F is automatically added. That seems undesirable (and I have already received one customer complaint about it), but I am not at liberty to incompatibly change the behavior, even if it doesn't make sense. Yes, I saw the

Re: AUTOIPL (was Re: Health Check (IBMSVA,SVA_AUTOIPL_DEFINED)

2011-10-06 Thread Barbara Nitz
In the meantime, I recommend that you specify a device number which does not exist, or, if you are using all 65,536 device numbers, pick one which is unlikely to present an interrupt before you can click SEND on the HMC after you IPL SADMP. In our case unit=1f isn't defined, so the default is

Re: AUTOIPL (was Re: Health Check (IBMSVA,SVA_AUTOIPL_DEFINED)

2011-10-05 Thread Jim Mulder
When you IPL a new operating system via autoipl (does that work?), is there any gotcha other than to remember to always CLPA? When SADMP starts an IPL of MVS, it is essentially the same as if you did a Load Clear from the HMC. We don't know or care whether it is a new or old operating

Re: AUTOIPL (was Re: Health Check (IBMSVA,SVA_AUTOIPL_DEFINED)

2011-10-05 Thread Barbara Nitz
When SADMP starts an IPL of MVS, it is essentially the same as if you did a Load Clear from the HMC. We don't know or care whether it is a new or old operating system. Good to know. But Mark has a good point, too: But then I realized that the next person who went to the HMC to IPL (that

Re: AUTOIPL (was Re: Health Check (IBMSVA,SVA_AUTOIPL_DEFINED)

2011-10-04 Thread Skip Robinson
Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com From: Barbara Nitz nitz-...@gmx.net To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 10/03/2011 09:51 PM Subject:Re: AUTOIPL (was Re: Health Check (IBMSVA,SVA_AUTOIPL_DEFINED) Sent by:IBM

Re: AUTOIPL (was Re: Health Check (IBMSVA,SVA_AUTOIPL_DEFINED)

2011-10-04 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 4 Oct 2011 14:48:15 -0700, Skip Robinson jo.skip.robin...@sce.com wrote: When I run the AMDSADMP macro, I use options for zero operator intervention: ...CONSOLE=SYSC,REUSEDS=ALWAYS... This puts messages on the HMC operator console (no worry about device condition) and specifies that

Re: AUTOIPL (was Re: Health Check (IBMSVA,SVA_AUTOIPL_DEFINED)

2011-10-03 Thread Barbara Nitz
I'm not sure why Barbara is so opposed to AUTOIPL in principle, but I can see where critical production might be problematic. *I* am not opposed to the function at all, just the opposite. My teamleader is. It took quite some strongarming for me to get him to agree to even test this, much less

AUTOIPL (was Re: Health Check (IBMSVA,SVA_AUTOIPL_DEFINED)

2011-09-30 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 00:11:07 -0500, Barbara Nitz nitz-...@gmx.net wrote: Let's see if the rest of the autoipl function is as bad. Use it, love it. Long time coming... VM has had a reipl option forever. At first I tested without the SADMP option, but since the codes in the WSAT that say to

Re: AUTOIPL (was Re: Health Check (IBMSVA,SVA_AUTOIPL_DEFINED)

2011-09-30 Thread Edward Jaffe
On 9/30/2011 10:17 AM, Mark Zelden wrote: On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 00:11:07 -0500, Barbara Nitznitz-...@gmx.net wrote: Let's see if the rest of the autoipl function is as bad. Use it, love it. Long time coming... VM has had a reipl option forever. Just to clarify: although the results

Re: AUTOIPL (was Re: Health Check (IBMSVA,SVA_AUTOIPL_DEFINED)

2011-09-30 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 10:41:13 -0700, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote: On 9/30/2011 10:17 AM, Mark Zelden wrote: On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 00:11:07 -0500, Barbara Nitznitz-...@gmx.net wrote: Let's see if the rest of the autoipl function is as bad. Use it, love it. Long time

Re: AUTOIPL (was Re: Health Check (IBMSVA,SVA_AUTOIPL_DEFINED)

2011-09-30 Thread Skip Robinson
323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com From: Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 09/30/2011 10:42 AM Subject:Re: AUTOIPL (was Re: Health Check (IBMSVA,SVA_AUTOIPL_DEFINED) Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN

Re: AUTOIPL (was Re: Health Check (IBMSVA,SVA_AUTOIPL_DEFINED)

2011-09-30 Thread Jim Mulder
Also to clarify: there is a REIPL option on the VARY XCF OFF command. This is very useful when you just want to bounce a system for whatever reason. No delay, no switching sysres volume. This option is totally separate from AUTOIPL, which is intended to repair a sick system while getting

Re: AUTOIPL (was Re: Health Check (IBMSVA,SVA_AUTOIPL_DEFINED)

2011-09-30 Thread Edward Jaffe
On 9/30/2011 11:29 AM, Skip Robinson wrote: Also to clarify: there is a REIPL option on the VARY XCF OFF command. This is very useful when you just want to bounce a system for whatever reason. No delay, no switching sysres volume. This option is totally separate from AUTOIPL, which is intended

Re: AUTOIPL (was Re: Health Check (IBMSVA,SVA_AUTOIPL_DEFINED)

2011-09-30 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 11:29:22 -0700, Skip Robinson jo.skip.robin...@sce.com wrote: Also to clarify: there is a REIPL option on the VARY XCF OFF command. This is very useful when you just want to bounce a system for whatever reason. No delay, no switching sysres volume. This option is totally

Re: AUTOIPL (was Re: Health Check (IBMSVA,SVA_AUTOIPL_DEFINED)

2011-09-30 Thread Skip Robinson
Subject:Re: AUTOIPL (was Re: Health Check (IBMSVA,SVA_AUTOIPL_DEFINED) Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 11:29:22 -0700, Skip Robinson jo.skip.robin...@sce.com wrote: Also to clarify: there is a REIPL option on the VARY XCF OFF

Re: AUTOIPL (was Re: Health Check (IBMSVA,SVA_AUTOIPL_DEFINED)

2011-09-30 Thread Edward Jaffe
On 9/30/2011 12:41 PM, Skip Robinson wrote: However there is obviously a difference. A vanilla VARY XCF OFF does not invoke automatic IPL because AUTOIPL is not triggered by WAIT 0A2. 'REIPL' must override that exception. 0A2 with reason=4 is in the WSAT: IBM Documentation 6.4.1 Wait state

Re: AUTOIPL (was Re: Health Check (IBMSVA,SVA_AUTOIPL_DEFINED)

2011-09-30 Thread Edward Jaffe
On 9/30/2011 12:54 PM, Edward Jaffe wrote: Oops. It's the x17C reason that performs the reIPL: X'40A2' X'1017C0A2' --- Right Here! X'201800A2' X'301840A2' X'200010B5' X'200020B5' X'A001' X'A007' X'A008' X'A009' X'A010' X'A037'

Re: AUTOIPL (was Re: Health Check (IBMSVA,SVA_AUTOIPL_DEFINED)

2011-09-30 Thread Jim Mulder
On 9/30/2011 12:41 PM, Skip Robinson wrote: However there is obviously a difference. A vanilla VARY XCF OFF does not invoke automatic IPL because AUTOIPL is not triggered by WAIT 0A2. 'REIPL' must override that exception. 0A2 with reason=4 is in the WSAT: IBM Documentation 6.4.1

Re: AUTOIPL (was Re: Health Check (IBMSVA,SVA_AUTOIPL_DEFINED)

2011-09-30 Thread Edward Jaffe
On 9/30/2011 1:04 PM, Jim Mulder wrote: 17C Operator requested partitioning with the VARY XCF command and REIPL AutoIPL option specified. 180 Operator requested partitioning with the VARY XCF command and SADMP AutoIPL option specified. 184 Operator requested partitioning with the VARY XCF

Re: AUTOIPL (was Re: Health Check (IBMSVA,SVA_AUTOIPL_DEFINED)

2011-09-30 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 12:41:25 -0700, Skip Robinson jo.skip.robin...@sce.com wrote: OK, I stand corrected on the 'separateness' issue. I remember now trying REIPL without having AUTOIPL set up. It didn't work at all. However there is obviously a difference. A vanilla VARY XCF OFF does not invoke

Re: AUTOIPL (was Re: Health Check (IBMSVA,SVA_AUTOIPL_DEFINED)

2011-09-30 Thread Skip Robinson
/30/2011 01:35 PM Subject:Re: AUTOIPL (was Re: Health Check (IBMSVA,SVA_AUTOIPL_DEFINED) Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 12:41:25 -0700, Skip Robinson jo.skip.robin...@sce.com wrote: OK, I stand corrected on the 'separateness