Re: CF usage at DR location

2006-03-16 Thread TISLER Zaromil
- snip - I have a full test this weekend, so hopefully will have some of this ironed out. I am going with a newly formatted CFRM dataset and retaining all the other COUPLE datasets. If I use a new CFRM dataset, where is the CF policy information stored? I was thinking it was stored in the

Re: CF usage at DR location

2006-03-16 Thread Skip Robinson
You should probably *not* use the DSN/VOL parameters for normal production policies. By default the system will find and use the active CFRM couple data set. But whenever you need to put a policy into *another* couple data set, that's where the parameters come into play. You only need to put

Re: CF usage at DR location

2006-03-15 Thread Pat Schlehuber
I have a full test this weekend, so hopefully will have some of this ironed out. I am going with a newly formatted CFRM dataset and retaining all the other COUPLE datasets. If I use a new CFRM dataset, where is the CF policy information stored? I was thinking it was stored in the XCF COUPLE

Re: CF usage at DR location

2006-03-15 Thread Skip Robinson
When you create/reformat the CFRM couple data set, there is no CFRM policy. It must be (re)created from a driver system before the first DR IPL. (You could kludge it with multiple IPLs of the DR system, but you really don't want to go there.) On the driver system, (re)create the CFRM policy

Re: CF usage at DR location

2006-03-14 Thread TISLER Zaromil
- snip - We were early users of XRC circa 1998. In our first few tests, we had lingering problems because, with mirrored CFRM data set, the newly IPLed systems could never get over the loss of the two CFs left back in the smoking hole. They were convinced that some magic would bring the

Re: CF usage at DR location

2006-03-14 Thread Skip Robinson
Migrating to a new CF is different from recovering in a DR environment. In migrating, you move structures from one CF to another in a controlled fashion. Once all structures have been moved out, the CFRM couple data set knows that the old CF is no longer in use. It can be left ready for

Re: CF usage at DR location

2006-03-13 Thread Skip Robinson
We were early users of XRC circa 1998. In our first few tests, we had lingering problems because, with mirrored CFRM data set, the newly IPLed systems could never get over the loss of the two CFs left back in the smoking hole. They were convinced that some magic would bring the lost CFs back

Re: CF usage at DR location

2006-03-13 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 3/13/2006 4:33:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They can still be in the (composite) CFRM policy, but now they're simply unreachable in DR just as the DR CFs are unreachable in production. No more problem. Paolo is right. Welcome back, you

Re: CF usage at DR location

2006-03-13 Thread Skip Robinson
SHARE in Seattle was very fine. ;-) Thanks for asking about ESCON cards: the question motivated me to inquire and actually make a plan. Cards are coming out this weekend; we need a POR to force SAP reallocation. Stay tuned... . . JO.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company SHARE MVS

Re: CF usage at DR location

2006-03-13 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 3/13/2006 5:18:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and actually make a plan. Cards are coming out this weekend; we need a POR to force SAP reallocation. Stay tuned... Thanks for update...

Re: CF usage at DR location

2006-03-08 Thread Paolo Cacciari
Pat, believe me or not... there's no way to restart a Parallel Sysplex on a D/R site and with a one shot IPL operation, unless you have an empty XCF Couple Dataset and a COUPLExx parameter for D/R purposes. XCF couple datasets have an administrative section, generally not accessible by customer

Re: CF usage at DR location

2006-03-07 Thread Paolo Cacciari
Patrich, that can work provided thet you have defined and initialized a new XCF couple dataset and a DR copy of your COUPLExx member of PARMLIB, pointing to this XCF CDS and containing the CFRMPOL parameter, related to the CDRM policy name you want to start at the DR site. In this case, your

Re: CF usage at DR location

2006-03-07 Thread Pat Schlehuber
I was hoping to use the existing COUPLE dataset and the existing policy. Since these datasets will be PPRC mirrored I was hoping to find a way to not maintain 2 separate policy definitions so that the day-to-day policy definitions would be automatically used at the DR location.

Re: CF usage at DR location

2006-03-07 Thread Paolo Cacciari
Pat, as I wrote, you actually CAN mantain your CFRM couple datasets, with your policy, provided that your policy comprises both primary and DR CF; what you need to have for DR purposes only, is an empty and initialized XCF COUPLE dataset (easy to do once and to forget) and a PARMLIB COUPLExx

Re: CF usage at DR location

2006-03-07 Thread TISLER Zaromil
- snip - as I wrote, you actually CAN mantain your CFRM couple datasets, with your policy, provided that your policy comprises both primary and DR CF; what you need to have for DR purposes only, is an empty and initialized XCF COUPLE dataset (easy to do once and to forget) and a

Re: CF usage at DR location

2006-03-07 Thread Ted MacNEIL
these datasets will be PPRC mirrored One of the two sets of datasets IBM recommends to not mirror is the CDS set. The other is PAGE. I have another set that I never mirror'd: SCRATCH. The overhead of synchronous mirroring kills the first two, for sure. - -teD I’m an enthusiastic proselytiser

Re: CF usage at DR location

2006-03-07 Thread TISLER Zaromil
- snip - these datasets will be PPRC mirrored One of the two sets of datasets IBM recommends to not mirror is the CDS set. The other is PAGE. I have another set that I never mirror'd: SCRATCH. The overhead of synchronous mirroring kills the first two, for sure. - snip - The

Re: CF usage at DR location

2006-03-07 Thread Ted MacNEIL
The GDPS hyperswap is impossible without mirroring the PAGE datasets. When I got downsized from IGS, hyperswap hadn't been invented. I am now in a non-GDPS environment, so I haven't been keeping up with it all. I was just recalling from the manual we used as part of the GDPS service. Thanks for

Re: CF usage at DR location

2006-03-07 Thread Pat Schlehuber
On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:51:26 +0100, TISLER Zaromil [EMAIL PROTECTED] AUSTRIA.COM wrote: - snip - these datasets will be PPRC mirrored One of the two sets of datasets IBM recommends to not mirror is the CDS set. The other is PAGE. I have another set that I never mirror'd: SCRATCH. The

Re: CF usage at DR location

2006-03-07 Thread John Ticic
--- snip --- - snip - these datasets will be PPRC mirrored One of the two sets of datasets IBM recommends to not mirror is the CDS set. The other is PAGE. I have another set that I never mirror'd: SCRATCH. The overhead of synchronous mirroring kills the first two, for sure. - snip

CF usage at DR location

2006-03-06 Thread Schlehuber, Patrick
We are in the process of setting up a new Disaster Recovery scenario using PPRC DASD and a Hot Stand-by datacenter (z9 CBU processor) I have a question concerning how others have dealt with using a Coupling Facility in this scenario. At our DR site we will have one ICF configured on the same

Re: CF usage at DR location

2006-03-06 Thread Neubert, Kevin (DIS)
Though not recovering in the exact manner you are planning your PREFLIST proposal looks good to me. With a PREFLIST consisting of ICFXXA, ICFXXB and ICFXXD here are some syslog messages for your review. ICFXXD does not exist at home. At home: IXC517I SYSTEM ABLE TO USE COUPLING