Yes, there's the one-time retraining cost. But then there's the net present
value of the flow of recurring/subsequent training costs for that product.
Those subsequent training costs may vary! Thus the net present value may be
different, and that ought to factor into the business case, too.
Last year we converted several Compuware products to IBM PDTOOLS
replacements. Some brief comments:
File Manager:
* IBM's conversion took much longer than expected.
* Jobs which involved large files often ran longer and used more CPU (50% or
more) using File Manager than FileAid. This was
Jeff Holst wrote:
Last year we converted several Compuware products to IBM PDTOOLS
replacements. Some brief comments:
File Manager:
* IBM's conversion took much longer than expected.
* Jobs which involved large files often ran longer and used more CPU (50% or
more) using File Manager than
Ted MacNEIL writes:
I was talking about for the new product.
You do NOT continue training the same people
on the same product.
Perhaps your employer has that practice, but probably they ought to
continue training, in many/most cases. (And I think they do, whether they
know it or not.) See below
Perhaps your employer has that practice, but probably they ought to continue
training, in many/most cases. (And I think they do, whether they know it or
not.) See below for why.
This started as a discussion regarding a business case for replacing a product.
You got into a deep philisophical
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on 02/12/2010
at 01:30 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca said:
Training existing staff is a one-time cost.
Nonsense. Software changes over time, unless you never upgrade.
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Subject: Re: Compuware FileAid to IBM FileManager Conversion
Ted MacNeil writes:
Training existing staff is a one-time cost.
I disagree. It ought not be. It isn't for me, and it isn't for my employer.
And I think you make that point later on anyway, that there is indeed the
concept of recurring
Training existing staff is a one-time cost.
I disagree. It ought not be. It isn't for me, and it isn't for my employer.
I was talking about for the new product.
You do NOT continue training the same people on the same product.
I meant that as a replacement product, you only have to train
Ted MacNeil writes:
Training existing staff is a one-time cost.
I disagree. It ought not be. It isn't for me, and it isn't for my employer.
And I think you make that point later on anyway, that there is indeed the
concept of recurring training for current staff, but then you say that that
Ted MacNeil writes:
You're missing one that I've seen missed all the time.
Unless it's a work-alike, you have the (one-time) cost
of re-training.
I disagree (a little). I think retraining is not missed very often at all,
but it gets expressed (incorrectly, opaquely) as I don't ever want to
change
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* Any sensible business case analysis
And he would probably say, as I would, that training ought not be a one-time
cost.
Training existing staff is a one-time cost.
There is often continuing education, staff turnover, etc.
I would have that requirement, regardless of which product I would be using.
And, I might get lucky and hire
generalization It's a sad reality that many application programmers have
little interest in technology. For them, programming is merely a unpleasant
job that they have to endure until they are promoted higher up the ladder to
become analysts or managers. My advice to any sysprog who wants to
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02/10/2010
at 09:06 AM, John P Kalinich jkali...@csc.com said:
You can specify the compiler listing PDS names in the Fault Analyzer
PARMLIB member IDICNFxx,
Not ADATA?
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and
A few comments, in no particular order:
* At least for IBM's tools/utilities, if you haven't looked seriously at
them very recently, you're out of date. IBM has invested and is investing
heavily. They are fast moving targets. (Part of seriously allows IBM some
shots at responding to questions
* Any sensible business case analysis includes both functional and financial
considerations.
And ultimately the functional considerations should probably translate into
financial ones. (Examples: If feature X is
unavailable, that loss will cost us $5 per year.
If feature Y requires 5 more
I'd also be interested in any comments, as we're looking to do exactly the
same thing.
We're also considering replacing: -
Abend/AID Abend/AID CICS with Fault analyser
Xpediter TSO Xpediter CICS with Debug tool
Strobe iStrobe with Application performance analyser
Any other comments or
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Compuware FileAid to IBM FileManager Conversion
I'd also be interested in any comments, as we're looking to do exactly
the
same thing.
We're also considering replacing: -
Abend/AID Abend/AID CICS with Fault analyser
Xpediter TSO Xpediter CICS with Debug
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Subject: Re: Compuware FileAid to IBM FileManager Conversion
I am told by my sysprogs that Fault Analyzer requires the ADATA output
file of the compiler to be allocated in the production JCL in order to
analyze production abends the first time they occur. This is a
non-starter
to IBM FileManager Conversion
I'd also be interested in any comments, as we're looking to do exactly
the
same thing.
We're also considering replacing: -
Abend/AID Abend/AID CICS with Fault analyser
Xpediter TSO Xpediter CICS with Debug tool
Strobe iStrobe with Application
Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
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I'd also be interested in any comments, as we're looking to do exactly
the
same thing
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Peter Farley of the IBM Mainframe Discussion
Kalinich
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Peter Farley of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
wrote on 02/10/2010 08:26:27 AM:
I am told by my sysprogs that Fault Analyzer requires
or point to the wrong place in the source.
Peter
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Otto Shumacher of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
wrote on 02/10/2010 09:21:09 AM:
Do I understand correctly Fault analyzer software can eliminate the
need for Dumpmaster(Macro4) and/or the Abendaid products(Compuware)?
Is this also true for CICS and IMS online dumps?
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Peter Farley of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
wrote on 02/10/2010 08:26:27 AM:
I am told by my sysprogs that Fault Analyzer requires
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I am told by my sysprogs that Fault Analyzer requires the ADATA
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Schumacher, Otto
Do I understand correctly Fault analyzer software can eliminate the
need for Dumpmaster(Macro4) and/or
the Abendaid products(Compuware)? Is this also true for CICS and IMS
online dumps?
Fault
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From: IBM
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False. The location of the ADATA file needs to be known to Fault
Analyzer, but (in our shop, anyway), no modifications to any production
jobstreams were required to transition from Dumpmaster to
---snip--
I'd also be interested in any comments, as we're looking to do exactly
the same thing.
We're also considering replacing: -
Abend/AID Abend/AID CICS with Fault analyser
Xpediter TSO Xpediter CICS with Debug tool
Strobe
We did the same analysis and moved onto the IBM products with little
issues.
We did not move Strobe though. IBM's Application Performance Analyzer did
not meet our needs, either operationally or financially at the time.
However, you can point Strobe to the same compiler output files that
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From: bill.bis...@tema.toyota.com
Subject: Re: Compuware FileAid to IBM FileManager Conversion
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
We did the same analysis and moved onto the IBM products with little
issues.
We did not move Strobe though. IBM's Application Performance Analyzer did
not meet
DM is very flexible and one could have multiple DUMPFILE datasets.
Case in point, we define DM to capture just CICS dumps in one file and have
another one for SYSTEM dumps.
One could go further where each CICS Region could have its own DUMPFILE.
Abend/AID Abend/AID CICS with Fault analyser
Xpediter TSO Xpediter CICS with Debug tool
Strobe iStrobe with Application performance analyser
Back in 2004 (I think - it was version3 FA, FM and DT) we looked at migrating
to the IBM products from Compuware. We only migrated from AbendAid to FA.
From: Barbara Nitz nitz-...@gmx.net
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Sent: Thu, February 11, 2010 12:02:23 AM
Subject: Re: Compuware FileAid to IBM FileManager Conversion
--SNIP-Good Info-
Barbara:
I know its been ages but one
Hi,
Can anyone post their experiences with converting FileAid to FileManager?
How many jobs they had to convert? How long did it take them to do the
conversion? Were you running a scheduling product such as CA7? Did that
present any problems with the assessment tool? Was the JCL being
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Compuware FileAid to IBM FileManager Conversion
Hi,
Can anyone post their experiences with converting FileAid to FileManager?
How many jobs they had to convert? How long did it take them to do the
conversion? Were you running a scheduling product such as CA7
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