Dave Salt wrote:
problem still exists. With little or no exposure to mainframes they are
not easily understand anything being done that is actually interesting.
There is lots of boring grunt-work to give them, but that won't make
them want to stay.
Which is why you have to try to give
On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:22:49 -0600, Timothy Sipples
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...
There's really a simple and straightforward solution to this problem, one
which most of you on IBM-MAIN can execute: hire college interns. (IBM
certainly is.) That's what most directly impacts campus perceptions.
In a message dated 4/13/2006 3:35:59 P.M. Central Standard Time,
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problem still exists. With little or no exposure to mainframes they are
not easily understand anything being done that is actually interesting.
There is lots of boring grunt-work to give them, but
problem still exists. With little or no exposure to mainframes they are
not easily understand anything being done that is actually interesting.
There is lots of boring grunt-work to give them, but that won't make
them want to stay.
Which is why you have to try to give them interesting
A. Harry Williams wrote:
Let's see if I can get this past Darren's filters this time.
From: A. Harry Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: Marist College
Subject: Re: Kudos to IBM's promotion
X-LSVline1: On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:42:40 -0500 Mohammad Khan said:
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:42
In a message dated 4/11/2006 10:46:19 P.M. Central Standard Time,
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Universities that don't place graduates in jobs don't stay in business long.
If your place of employment cares about zSeries skills, it is important
to make that known to local colleges and
On Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Ed Finnell wrote:
So the exposure starts much younger and is continuous 'til they get to
'higher ed'. Now who's gonna opt for JCL and TSO after they've
been ICON'd and auto updated for a decade? The CS departments dropped ALC
and COBOL at least 12 years in favor of C++,
I think you hit the nail on the head here Steve. I volunteer to help with
Universities in Arizona for the IBM Academic Initiative. 2 of the 3
Universities have been approached in Arizona and the heads of the CS
departments have stopped IBM in their tracks saying mainframes are not a
In a message dated 4/12/2006 10:37:48 A.M. Central Standard Time,
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senior level programmers to do entry level jobs. IBM is actively
soliciting Universities to try to introduce more curriculum. So hopefully
its moving in the right direction. Unfortunately, its an
a
career in mainframes...and I think they still do!
Kristine M. Harper
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Subject: Re: Kudos to IBM's promotion
I think you
Justin Eastman wrote:
I think you hit the nail on the head here Steve. I volunteer to help with
Universities in Arizona for the IBM Academic Initiative. 2 of the 3
Universities have been approached in Arizona and the heads of the CS
departments have stopped IBM in their tracks saying
Kristine Harper wrote:
Justin,
That is interesting to hear! I just graduated from U of AZ last year
and ran into the exact same problems - they have no idea what power the
mainframe has and think it is something that won't have importance in
the future. Everyone thought I was pretty crazy for
But you have to have a two-pronged approach. It's nice
to have the universities offer z/OS-related training,
but you (IBM) still need to win the hearts and minds
of young techies and managers back to the values of the
platform, or they will never select or sustain it.
We've discussed this to
My esteemed colleague writes:
I think you hit the nail on the head here Steve. I volunteer to help
with
Universities in Arizona for the IBM Academic Initiative. 2 of the 3
Universities have been approached in Arizona and the heads of the CS
departments have stopped IBM in their tracks saying
Hi Tim
Here is one person who would like to learn but doesn't find any viable
options. The poster child of IBM education initiative, Marist College,
does not even reply to emails, the phone number listed on the web page
either does not work or leads to a fax machine. I can't just leave my job
an
Bruce Hewson wrote:
All I can say is the company I am working for still has much mainframe
growth, with mainframe processing marked as strategic and critical.
And we employed 5 new staff in the MVS team last year. Of which 4 had
received education and basic experience in MVS systems in The
In a message dated 4/10/2006 2:19:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
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One more sign that perhaps IBM doesn't really consider
z/OS strategic.
I became much wiser when I learned the sad truth about American businesses.
IBM is not in the computer business, or even the
Let's see if I can get this past Darren's filters this time.
From: A. Harry Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: Marist College
Subject: Re: Kudos to IBM's promotion
X-LSVline1: On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:42:40 -0500 Mohammad Khan said:
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:42:40 -0500 Mohammad Khan said
Joel Ewing posted a pointer to IBM's academic initiative page
for iSeries:
https://www-304.ibm.com/jct09002c/university/scholars/products/iseries/connect/participatinguniversities.html
There are over 250 schools there.
But on the left had side of the page is a link
to the zSeries program, which
So where is this all going.
If there aren't any new mainframe shops coming online where are all of these
new trainees going to find employment?
When there are openings in most mainframe shops it looks to me that the
positions is being filled from current employees who show interest
Howard Rifkind wrote:
So where is this all going.
If there aren't any new mainframe shops coming online where are all of these new trainees going to find employment?
When there are openings in most mainframe shops it looks to me that the positions is being filled from current
If there aren't any new mainframe shops coming online where are all
of
these new trainees going to find employment?
I asked a similar question to an IBM sales rep at a z990 promotion
meeting in the fall last year in Washington DC, with the added twist of
where are the _current_ sysprogs
there are no top-of-the-line US universities on the
list.
I got suspicious of the 'commitment' when I found my alma mater was not on the
list.
University of Waterloo.
They stopped teaching COBOL to co-ops in 1990 and all the Canadian Banks
dropped out of the programme.
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-teD
O-KAY! BLUE!
Wouldn't it best serve IBM to make it much more attractive for
smaller shops to get on board with, lets say, a z/890.
The bottom line is COST. Lower the entry cost of the hardware/
software and then you would have something.
I think you're actually talking about price (e.g. entry price). Have
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