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On 4/9/2011 9:26 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: You don't care about the pink version? ITYM salmon. I finally dug up some old reference cards/booklets, and you are correct - some of them are gray. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT --

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In <4d9ab46e.5060...@valley.net>, on 04/05/2011 at 02:19 AM, Gerhard Postpischil said: >You don't care about the pink version? ITYM salmon. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see We don't care. We don't hav

Re: mainframe fresher

Replying to an IBMVM post but information is applicable to readers of IBMMAIN and Linux390 > Przemyslaw commented... > It's unbelievably difficult to find a mainframe job with my current > professional experience so I decided to write this mail as my last try > to remain in the mainframe world

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On 04/04/2011 10:31 AM, McKown, John wrote: > We own too much historical data and processing. The cost to convert our VSAM > files to MS SQL files, convert the current CICS transactions and batch > programs to something runnable on Windows, and the cost to convert the batch > processes (JCL) has

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And that's one of the biggest reasons that my management is willing to spend a lot of money migrating everything we have off of the mainframe ... > But Corporate America is going to get a rude awaking when us 'dinosaurs' call > it > quits.these 30+ yr olds dont want to know about z/OS an

Re: Weird Reply Fragments (Was: Re: Mainframe Fresher)

:41:36 AM Subject: Re: Weird Reply Fragments (Was: Re: Mainframe Fresher) > I use YAHOO (.ca), and that has >> My first guess would be yahoo. > I use YAHOO (.ca), and that has never happened with my posts. I use yahoo.com, and I also see strange fragments when I reply to every ibm

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I know Yahoo may have had some other issue Hey stranger, hows life ? I know Yahoo may have had some other issues... Scott J Ford This is what I see on IBM-MAIN's web page. Sorry, Scott, but you are the only person with this fragments. Please tell the list which of the 6 lines (blank lines in

Re: Weird Reply Fragments (Was: Re: Mainframe Fresher)

> I use YAHOO (.ca), and that has >> My first guess would be yahoo. > I use YAHOO (.ca), and that has never happened with my posts. I use yahoo.com, and I also see strange fragments when I reply to every ibm-main post. One other problem I have occurs when I want to write to the listserv to, s

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quot;Steve Comstock" To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Monday, April 4, 2011 7:44:42 AM Subject: Re: mainframe fresher On 4/4/2011 7:20 AM, Przemyslaw Kupisz wrote: > Hello, > > It's unbelievably difficult to find a mainframe job with my current > professional experience so

Re: Weird Reply Fragments (Was: Re: Mainframe Fresher)

: Re: Mainframe Fresher) I've never seen this when you send e-mail directly to me, Scott. From: Scott Ford To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 7:09:08 PM Subject: Re: Weird Reply Fragments (Was: Re: Mainframe Fresher) Thanks Bob, I a

Re: Weird Reply Fragments (Was: Re: Mainframe Fresher)

>My first guess would be yahoo. I use YAHOO (.ca), and that has never happened with my posts. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu

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I've never seen this when you send e-mail directly to me, Scott. From: Scott Ford To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 7:09:08 PM Subject: Re: Weird Reply Fragments (Was: Re: Mainframe Fresher) Thanks Bob, I am not surprised, fr

Re: Weird Reply Fragments (Was: Re: Mainframe Fresher)

Thanks Bob, I am not surprised, frankly   Scott J Ford   From: Bob Rutledge To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 5:24:33 PM Subject: Re: Weird Reply Fragments (Was: Re: Mainframe Fresher) Edward Jaffe wrote: > On 4/4/2011 2:21 PM, Scott F

Re: Weird Reply Fragments (Was: Re: Mainframe Fresher)

Yes, I see what you see. Linda - Original Message - From: "Edward Jaffe" To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 2:02:13 PM Subject: Weird Reply Fragments (Was: Re: Mainframe Fresher) On 4/4/2011 2:21 PM, Scott Ford wrote: > I totally agree. This

Re: Weird Reply Fragments (Was: Re: Mainframe Fresher)

Edward Jaffe wrote: On 4/4/2011 2:21 PM, Scott Ford wrote: I totally agree. This situation has been shaping up for a long Steve: I totally agree. This situation has been shaping up for a long time. Apparently, the work 'plan' is a 4 letter word Scott J Ford Scott, Something strange i

Re: Weird Reply Fragments (Was: Re: Mainframe Fresher)

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 4:02 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Weird Reply Fragments (Was: Re: Mainframe Fresher) > > On 4/4/2011 2

Weird Reply Fragments (Was: Re: Mainframe Fresher)

On 4/4/2011 2:21 PM, Scott Ford wrote: I totally agree. This situation has been shaping up for a long Steve: I totally agree. This situation has been shaping up for a long time. Apparently, the work 'plan' is a 4 letter word Scott J Ford Scott, Something strange is going on, either wit

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W dniu 2011-04-05 08:46, R Hey pisze: I find it very hard to believe that: "we use MVS/MF only because we have old APPL which wd be expensive to convert to Win/Linx/Ux" It has taken 20+ years to develope& improve all the Online/Trnx/Batch/Monitor/Tool/Plex/HSM/SMS/DB for MF, because they were

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On 5/04/2011 5:08 AM, Tony Harminc wrote: On 4 April 2011 16:27, Jim Mulder wrote: Perhaps naturally, the attitudes of our own support people and developers follow to some extent. These attitudes clash when one of our components that runs on z/OS UNIX is in the picture. With my MVS roots, I

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I find it very hard to believe that: "we use MVS/MF only because we have old APPL which wd be expensive to convert to Win/Linx/Ux" It has taken 20+ years to develope & improve all the Online/Trnx/Batch/Monitor/Tool/Plex/HSM/SMS/DB for MF, because they were needed to run IT. Are all these avai

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>You don't care about the pink version? Oh Gerhard! Barbara -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http

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On 4/4/2011 4:40 PM, Dan Skomsky, PSTI wrote: "I'll give you my green/yellow/white card when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!" You don't care about the pink version? Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT -- For IBM-MAIN subsc

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Hello, It's unbelievably difficult to find a mainframe job with my current professional experience so I decided to write this mail as my last try to remain in the mainframe world. Same here in the US. do not feel alone. I know some guys that have been looking for 8 years. If you are looking a

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In <75588.66904...@web65513.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>, on 04/04/2011 at 01:32 PM, Scott Ford said: >But like someone pointed out on z/OS its a different world to do >debugging, sorry came from the z/OS - VM - VSE  DUMP/TRACE world.. It's a mixed bag. The mainframe world has better tools for dump r

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st...@trainersfriend.com (Steve Comstock) writes: > But I am curious as to why the mainframe doesn't just go > away: there must be one or more z/OS applications that the > Windows folks just can't beat. Can you describe what applications > are keeping the mainframe around? And why Windows folks can

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April 4, 2011 5:08:34 PM Subject: Re: Mainframe Fresher On 4 April 2011 16:27, Jim Mulder wrote: > On the other hand, for problems which occur intermittently in > production environments and are not reproducible in the development > environment, how do the debugging facilities availa

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ama.ua.edu Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 4:57:41 PM Subject: Re: Mainframe Fresher On 4/4/2011 2:35 PM, Scott Ford wrote: > Oh, yes, but people seem to forgot a lot of corporate data is kept on z/OS > and probably in Cobol/Assembler/PL/1 > And a lot of these big corporate giants arent going to

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> We helped kill a z/OS to Windows conversion meeting with some simple > questions. > > Q. "This batch process takes 4 hours to run on z/OS. How long would you > estimate your converted process would take?" > A. "About the same amount of time." > Q. "Suppose the process terminates abnormally for

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On 4 April 2011 16:27, Jim Mulder wrote: > On the other hand, for problems which occur intermittently in > production environments and are not reproducible in the development > environment, how do the debugging facilities available on Windows, > Java and Unix in general compare to those facilitie

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ience. From: "Givens, Dennis W." To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 4:29:30 PM Subject: Re: Mainframe Fresher That is the second item I hear frequently when talks come around to platform selection. 1) Very expensive 2) Can find JAVA pr

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> -Original Message- > > On the other hand, for problems which occur intermittently in > production environments and are not reproducible in the development > environment, how do the debugging facilities available on Windows, > Java and Unix in general compare to those facilities on z/O

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"I'll give you my green/yellow/white card when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!" -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Scott Ford Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 3:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Ma

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S/360 S/370 limits forced CICS / IMS applications to be pseudo conversational On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Steve Comstock wrote: > > John, > > But I am curious as to why the mainframe doesn't just go > away: there must be one or more z/OS applications that the > Windows folks just can't beat.

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  From: "Givens, Dennis W." To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 4:29:30 PM Subject: Re: Mainframe Fresher That is the second item I hear frequently when talks come around to platform selection. 1) Very expensive 2) Can find JAVA program

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> >  On the other hand, for problems which occur intermittently in > production environments and are not reproducible in the development > environment, how do the debugging facilities available on Windows, > Java and Unix in general compare to those facilities on z/OS? > > Jim Mulder   z/OS Syste

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the z/OS - VM - VSE  DUMP/TRACE world..   Scott J Ford   From: Sam Siegel To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 4:29:17 PM Subject: Re: Mainframe Fresher On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Scott Ford wrote: > Yep, I agree with Sam and John, been

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> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Comstock > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 3:06 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Mainframe Fresher > > > John, > > Based on the abo

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OS and IBM ... I completely agree with this! > > > Scott J Ford > > > > > > > From: "Knutson, Sam" > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 4:20:47 PM > Subject: Re: Mainframe Fresher > > It is usu

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, April 04, 2011 3:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Mainframe Fresher But Corporate America is going to get a rude awaking wh Amen, Sam. But Corporate America is going to get a rude awaking when us 'dinosaurs' call it quits.these 30+ yr olds dont want to know about z/

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or write the application. > > > I dont know about everyone else, no one handed the work I do to me on a silver > platter, I came up through the ranks.. > > Scott J Ford > > > > > > > From: Sam Siegel > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.

Re: Mainframe Fresher

IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 04/04/2011 03:56:12 PM: > > But typing COBOL code in ISPF is literally slower for me than > typing Java code in Netbeans. Due in part to Netbean's intelligent > auto-completion. When I start typing a variable name, about 80%+ of > the time, Netbeans has

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ot;Knutson, Sam" To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 4:20:47 PM Subject: Re: Mainframe Fresher It is usually where some significant corporate data lives.  The cost to rip and replace everything is usually prohibitive and would be very disruptive so layer after layer of appli

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> John, > > Based on the above, and what you have shared with us about > the general IT and corporate atmosphere and your health > issues, it must be damned difficult to keep your spirits > up. I don't know, perhaps you don't. > > But I am curious as to why the mainframe doesn't just go > away: t

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Of Steve Comstock Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 4:06 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Mainframe Fresher But I am curious as to why the mainframe doesn't just go away: there must be one or more z/OS applications that the Windows folks just can't beat. Can you describe what applicat

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: Mon, April 4, 2011 3:56:12 PM Subject: Re: Mainframe Fresher > But typing COBOL code in ISPF is literally slower for me than typing Java > code >in Netbeans. Due in part to Netbean's intelligent auto-completion. When I >start >typing a variable name, about 80%+ of the time

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ications are keeping the mainframe around? And why Windows folks can't make it go away? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Comstock Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 1:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re:

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> But typing COBOL code in ISPF is literally slower for me than typing Java > code in Netbeans. Due in part to Netbean's intelligent auto-completion. When > I start typing a variable name, about 80%+ of the time, Netbeans has a "in > line" suggestion which I can select with a simple press of t

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> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Clifford McNeill > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 2:26 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Mainframe Fresher > > ==> 'we will need to incre

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mes? Just too darn expensive. ==> 'but Windows and Linux development is much faster due to superior IDEs. ' Or is it less testing? Cliff McNeill > Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 13:47:11 -0500 > From: john.mck...@healthmarkets.com > Subject: Re: Mainframe Fresher > To: IBM-MAIN@

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ance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Comstock > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 1:11 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > S

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software. An _excellent_ suggestion! Maybe someone in Partnerworld is listening. But, no, we just buy bigger PC's and off into that 'other world'. Graham Hobbs - Original Message - From: "john gilmore" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: Sent: Monday, A

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On 4/4/2011 9:52 AM, john gilmore wrote: Steve Comstock writes: He looks like a bright young man, the kind we want to sustain our favorite platform - but he can't find a job. And we on this list know he is not alone. This is the kind of reality we face if we don't, collectively and individual

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uy bigger PC's and off into that 'other world'. Graham Hobbs - Original Message - From: "john gilmore" Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 11:52 AM Subject: Re: Mainframe Fresher Steve Comstock writes: He looks like a bright

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Steve Comstock writes: He looks like a bright young man, the kind we want to sustain our favorite platform - but he can't find a job. And we on this list know he is not alone. This is the kind of reality we face if we don't, collectively and individually, take positive actions. Promote z

Re: mainframe fresher

On 4/4/2011 7:20 AM, Przemyslaw Kupisz wrote: Hello, It's unbelievably difficult to find a mainframe job with my current professional experience so I decided to write this mail as my last try to remain in the mainframe world. If you are looking a guy with my skills and knowledge please write me

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