On Sat, 2007-03-10 at 14:26 +0800, Ron Hawkins wrote:
I'm talking companies that measure their profits in USD$ with 9 zeroes. I'm
talking 100s of Terrabytes. I'm talking Disaster Recovery of 1000s of km.
Phhht - you'd wonder why they'd bother.
I'm surprised companies that small can afford
: Outsourcing perils was Re: sysprog demand in USA
On Sat, 2007-03-10 at 14:26 +0800, Ron Hawkins wrote:
I'm talking companies that measure their profits in USD$ with 9 zeroes.
I'm
talking 100s of Terrabytes. I'm talking Disaster Recovery of 1000s of
km.
Phhht - you'd wonder why they'd
In a message dated 3/10/2007 4:20:33 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm anybody's for the right price. You can find me on a street cornet in
Fortitude Valley...
Reminds me of a sign (bumper sticker? cartoon?) I saw at a computer
conference in the early 1990s
On Mar 10, 2007, at 12:26 AM, Ron Hawkins wrote:
Ed,
I'm talking companies that measure their profits in USD$ with 9
zeroes. I'm
talking 100s of Terrabytes. I'm talking Disaster Recovery of 1000s
of km.
There are some itsy bitsy accounts mixed in with the larger ones,
but the
shared
Ed,
The companies I'm referring to are from USA, Europe and Australia, but my
experience with them outsourcing is in Australia and Asia.
Bruce Hewson's example is a very, very, very American company.
I think it has very little to do with nationalities, and a lot to do with
costs.
Ron
I
Howard,
How about keeping our business inside our country - which also
contains sizeable numbers of people who are a threat?
Well, just to be fair, how about taking any other country's business out of
your country.
The model that I come across for many outsourcing companies is that having
The model that I come across for many outsourcing companies is that having
many customers sharing the same site and infrastructure leads to a lower cost
that can be passed on to the customer.
Until (when/if) the service providers start cutting costs by getting rid of the
(expensive) SME's and
Ted,
Canada, right? Must be something peculiar going on in your part of the
Commonwealth.
I have seen companies from outsourced in Australia and Asia that have been
happily running that way for 10 years or more. This includes Banks, Finance
companies, retail stores, Telcos and Manufacturers. I
Canada, right? Must be something peculiar going on in your part of the
Commonwealth.
Actually, while I'm a Canadian, the company is head-officed in the States.
I can't go into too much detail, but our service provider is in the southern
states and they are dumbed-down.
Plus, we outsourced
On Mar 9, 2007, at 5:23 PM, Ron Hawkins wrote:
Ted,
Canada, right? Must be something peculiar going on in your part of the
Commonwealth.
I have seen companies from outsourced in Australia and Asia that
have been
happily running that way for 10 years or more. This includes Banks,
Finance
Ed,
I'm talking companies that measure their profits in USD$ with 9 zeroes. I'm
talking 100s of Terrabytes. I'm talking Disaster Recovery of 1000s of km.
There are some itsy bitsy accounts mixed in with the larger ones, but the
shared resources, premises and infrastructure improves the costs of
Steve_Thompson @ ibm-main.lst wrote:
I'm baffled at outsourcing to countries that are a security risk to the
USofA. Countries that have a sizeable number of Islamic radicals should not be
targets of outsourcing.
How about keeping our business inside our country - which also contains
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of David Day
The thing that has baffled me about outsourcing is how do
companies actually save money since now the outsourcer
includes in its costs marketing expenses and profits.
Salary for a programmer in
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bruce Hewson
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:54 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Outsourcing perils was Re: sysprog demand in USA
Hello Howard,
what our and we ?!?!
I work outside my
On 1 Mar 2007 21:57:44 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
Hello Howard,
what our and we ?!?!
I work outside my country of citizenship, in an Asian country, for a global
multi-national company, which happens to be headquartered in USA.
We run applications for my host country and also
On 1 Mar 2007 21:57:44 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Hewson)
wrote:
what our and we ?!?!
I was responding to someone objecting to outsourcing for security
reasons - I hope that my answer applies to a variable we.
In the example of defeating the USSR, it was the wealth of the West
that won -
The thing that has baffled me about outsourcing is how do companies
actually save money since now the outsourcer includes in its costs
marketing expenses and profits.
Salary for a programmer in India is about 10k per annum.
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Clark Morris
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 1:47 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Outsourcing perils was Re: sysprog demand in USA
snip
The thing that has baffled me about outsourcing is how
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clark Morris
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 1:47 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Outsourcing perils was Re: sysprog demand in USA
snip
The thing that has baffled me about
On 1 Mar 2007 12:59:52 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thompson,
Steve) wrote:
I'm baffled at outsourcing to countries that are a security risk to the
USofA. Countries that have a sizeable number of Islamic radicals should
not be targets of outsourcing.
How about keeping our business inside our
On Mar 1, 2007, at 1:46 PM, Clark Morris wrote:
On 1 Mar 2007 11:31:12 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
On Mar 1, 2007, at 11:08 AM, Rick Fochtman wrote:
---snip-
A friend made a very good point that many sysprogs lost their jobs
in OZ due
Hello Howard,
what our and we ?!?!
I work outside my country of citizenship, in an Asian country, for a global
multi-national company, which happens to be headquartered in USA.
We run applications for my host country and also other countries around the
world.
So I am an ex-pat working at an
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