Re: 3490E cartridges
Very well put! A happy customer is probably worth a lot. We used to have a CD reader at PH Mining when I first started in 1985. Oh wait - that was an 8 floppy reader. I'm not sure if CDs were invented then for data storage. I'm sure someone will know. I think the floppy reader was bus and tag connected though. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Schwarz, Barry A barry.a.schw...@boeing.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 1:48 PM Subject: Re: 3490E cartridges Of course. There are lots of technical solutions to the problem. Except for the fact it is, as you note, a political problem, not a technical one. And reasonableness is in the eye of the check-signer. While I personally agree that long term savings are a desirable goal, the customers I deal with are frequently MUCH MORE concerned with short term expenditures. In many cases, they will reduce the rate of delivery, extending the project for several years at significantly higher total cost, simply to contain the current year's cost. It might appear short-sighted but it's a fact of life. And after making all the recommendations I can, at the end of the day my real job is to give the customer what they paid for in a form they can use. We don't hide the fact it is costing them more in the long run. But a happy out of date customer is worth more than an up to date one annoyed that we forced them to upgrade. One of my best customers is still using OS/390 1.3 and we have no intention of dropping support. Anyone know of a bus and tag CD reader? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: This applies here too! Do's and Don't's
And we are enablers of the bad posting behavior described. Someone will always ask questions when there isn't enough to go on. Someone will try to answer questions that are broad and open ended. Maybe thats what makes this such a good list, and maybe not! Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: John McKown joa...@swbell.net Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:47 PM Subject: This applies here too! Do's and Don't's John Pape: Five ways to sabotage your chance of getting help from community forums. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/techjournal/0903_col_pape/0903_col_pape.html?S_TACT=105AGX01S_CMP=HP -- John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF COMMAND LINE ON BOTTOM OF PANEL
In my life over the last 2 years as a contractor, I've noticed that the settings for ISPF and SDSF seem to keep changing. Its like I will go into the settings and put the command line on the top every time I get into ISPF for the first couple of weeks when I start a new job. Then, finally the settings seem to stay in place. I know that if I don't get out of ISPF, and my session is cancelled or times out, that the settings don't get saved in the ISPF profile dataset, but I always log off. This has happened to me on z/OS 1.4, 1.7, and 1.9. It also seems to work on each Lpar. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Howard Rifkind rifki...@emigrant.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:57 PM Subject: Re: SDSF COMMAND LINE ON BOTTOM OF PANEL Thanks all, Did the settings for the ISPF panels and that worked but it didn't carry over to SDSF. In SDSF did what was suggested (settings) and all is O.k. now. thanks again. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM-MAIN Threads Posted To Twitter
I like looking at IBM-Main emails with just my Windows Mail that came with Windows. The last job I had had Notes. I didn't like it, and apparently neither did the University, as they were planning to replace Notes with something else. I put all the IBM-Main emails in a separate folder. When I have more than 20 or so, I just click on subject, and it puts them in order by thread. I know a lot of people hate anything to do with windows, but it works for me. I even use Windows Mail when I'm in a different area, like when I was in St Louis. I can get the emails, but because I am not on my Roadrunner network, I can't send them. Then I have to either cut and paste into the web interface, or go to the IBM-Main web site. Now that I'm home, I can reply using Windows Mail. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Lionel B Dyck lionel.b.d...@kp.org Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:22 AM Subject: Re: IBM-MAIN Threads Posted To Twitter I'll stick to Notes for following listservs as I have rules in place to put each listserv e-mail into its own respective folder. This makes following them very easy and with Notes (ND8.5 and possible earlier) you can have a thread view (show conversations). Lionel B. Dyck, Consultant/Specialist -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: O/S IP Question.
Howard, I was just wondering why you changed the subject, and asked the question again, seeing as it was already answered! Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Howard Rifkind rifki...@emigrant.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 9:35 AM Subject: O/S IP Question. Sorry, bad subject name. Howard Rifkind rifki...@emigrant.com 3/13/2009 10:23 AM Greetings all, Is there a command I can key in to z/OS to determine if the O/S was assigned an I/P address? Thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: NEED SOME HELP WITH IEBCOPY
Howard, You probably want IEBGENER if the files are sequential. You only want IEBCOPY if the files are PDS's. Someone mentioned using DFDSS. If you have FDR, you can use FDRCOPY. To use IEBGENER, you just need a SYSUT1 DD for the input, SYSUT2 DD for the output, and a SYSPRINT for the messages. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Howard Rifkind rifki...@emigrant.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 4:17 PM Subject: NEED SOME HELP WITH IEBCOPY Need some help with IEBCOPY, I have a number of flat files which I want to copy to tape and then back down to DASD on another system. Would anyone out on the list have a sample job to do this which the are willing to share? Any help would be appreciated...Friday night and I would like to go home before midnight. Thanks. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Slow IBM Job Website
Has anyone applied at IBM's jobs website? They seem to be extremely slow. Also, it took me a couple of tries before I even got to the application part after displaying a job. One would think that for one of the biggest computer companies in the world, that they would have enough processing power to do things quickly on their web site. It took over a minute to go between several of the screens. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Slow IBM Job Website
I was at a site that had jobs.netmedia.com in it, but when I tried to go there later, it wouldn't come up. I got in through a search from CareerBuilder.com. To answer Richard Pace, I guess its not an IBM site, but as someone else said, they should have a service agreement. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: esst...@juno.com esst...@juno.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:21 PM Subject: Re: Slow IBM Job Website What is the URL for the IBM Job Website ? Im only familiar with ibmbluedirect.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMP/E RECEIVE ORDER: Prerequisites?
We had basic support when I was at Washington University. I know how that goes - they tried to cut as many costs as possible. I still think ordering tapes for maintenance is the best option. You have a free archive for the PTFs, and if you need it, IBM gets you the tape the next day, usually in the morning. I remember all the horror stories about the huge HFS file systems needed to receive the PTFs. Often, over double the size of the all of the PTFs. Is that still a problem? Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Chase, John jch...@ussco.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:04 PM Subject: Re: SMP/E RECEIVE ORDER: Prerequisites? I hope that's the case, and is what I'm trying to verify. Our shop is in serious cost-cutting mode, and toward that end we're evaluating downgrading from SoftwareXcel Extended to either Basic, or Resolve. Aside from ordering packaged service (RSU, etc.) via ShopzSeries (and now RECEIVE ORDER), we've found we don't use any of the other Extended features. This document http://www.vm.ibm.com/service/zmatrix.pdf is what's causing us confusion and consternation, for it seems to imply that if we downgrade from Extended (aka Enterprise Edition), we would lose our entitlement to order packaged service via ShopzSeries (and by extension, via RECEIVE ORDER), even though ShopzSeries is not mentioned by name in that document. Sometimes it appears that even IBM doesn't know what IBM is talking about. :-( -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMP/E RECEIVE ORDER: Prerequisites?
Huge depends on what you have available for DASD at the time. If most of your volumes are allocated, and there is little room for anything new, 2 3390 Mod 3s to hold the HFS (now probably ZFS) could be huge. At my last contract job, we just got a new Shark when I started, and at that time there was triple the amount of DASD space. They decided to flash everything as a test, which gave me a GREAT test sysplex - all dasd was copied and totally separate from the production sysplex. Every time they asked me to allocate another 5 Mod 9s for something, there was plenty of room. Contrast that to my last full time job where in 1996 they still had lots of real 3380s and 3390s in their newly built datacenter. The dasd to hold double the amount of data just to hold an order wasn't available. Of course, neither was ShopZ back then, but a lot of smaller shops are still in that kind of situation. DASD is a lot cheaper now, but adding more still costs real money that many shops are unwilling to spend. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Brian Peterson brian.peterson.ibm.m...@comcast.net Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:38 PM Subject: Re: SMP/E RECEIVE ORDER: Prerequisites? Yes, the HFS used for electronic delivery needs to be double or triple the size of the package being downloaded. Your characterization of this HFS as being huge and a problem are what I would disagree with. I just downloaded z/OS 1.10 plus four XML FMIDs, and it all fit in one zFS (appropriately sized). I don't think that HFS was huge. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMP/E RECEIVE ORDER: Prerequisites?
War stories has always been a part of IBM-Main, ever since I joined many years ago. I'm just saying that even if dasd is cheaper now, there are still accounts where a Mod3 or 2 is not available. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 7:22 AM Subject: Re: SMP/E RECEIVE ORDER: Prerequisites? On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:03:27 -0500, Eric Bielefeld wrote: Huge depends on what you have available for DASD at the time ... in 1996 ... 1996 was a long time ago. In 1996, I upgraded a year from a 750 MB hard drive to a whopping 4.2 GB. These ancient stories are irrelevant today. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMP/E RECEIVE ORDER: Prerequisites?
Thanks Bob. We had a 3590 base unit at my last job. I think the z/OS 1.9 order came on 3 tapes, which was nice. By the way, when I started there, they had 16 3490E drives, and a big area filled with tape racks. Over the 6 months I was there, they converted all the tapes to 3490s, got rid of the drives, and the tape racks. They hadn't installed the pool or ping pong tables yet though! Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Richards, Robert B. robert.richa...@opm.gov Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 4:53 AM Subject: Re: SMP/E RECEIVE ORDER: Prerequisites? Eric, About the tapes.see FLASH 10671, posted on Monday. http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebIndex/FLASH10671 Abstract: IBM plans to discontinue delivery of software on 3480, 3480 Compressed (3480C), and 3490E tape media. IBM's future software delivery enhancements will be focused on *Internet delivery*. Bob -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.7 upgrade to 1.10
Brian, Thank you for your well thought out post. I have to take issue with your comment below that (hopefully) will put this issue to rest. You know as well as I do that nothing is put to rest on IBM-Main. Like you said, this issue comes up every few months. Since this list has new people coming in all the time, it will probably continue to come up. (Note - this is meant more as humor, and not as being critical of you. I say that because sometimes email can be misinterpreted since you can't see facial expressions.) Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Brian Westerman brian_wester...@syzygyinc.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:53 AM Subject: Re: z/OS 1.7 upgrade to 1.10 This seems to come up every few months. I have agreed to present a session at the next share that (hopefully) will put this issue to rest. There is so much FUD about this particular issue that it gets funny. Major Snip Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A foolish consistancy or 3390 cyl/track architecture
Is the new format available in z/OS 1.11? That's what I gathered from some of the postings, but it didn't seem definitive. I should probably look at the announcement, but right now I'm feeling lazy. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Another Round Of IBM Layoffs
And IBM's stock probably went up when they announced the layoffs, like the stocks of so many companies do when they announce layoffs. Its the same principle in play when your local or state government asks for federal tax money to pay for a project. If your city of 50,000 can get a $1,000,000 grant, its spread amongst 200,000,000 taxpayers or so. If they do the project themselves, its spread among maybe 30,000 taxpayers. Of course every government body is going to the federal government for help, and our deficits are blossoming, but if your state can get more than the average, you come out ahead. If you get less, you pay for some other states projects which will benefit you 0%. (Well, maybe it isn't the same principle, but when I started writing this paragraph, it seemed like it). Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: larry macioce mace1...@gmail.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 7:47 AM Subject: Re: Another Round Of IBM Layoffs What I found amusing is IBM is going to help the unemployed from here in the US to obtain visas to work in the 3rd world ..,(I'll be politically correct) counties.Gosh why is th tax base falling?? mace -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Pushing Your Product
I've never had a problem with posters mentioning their products, and even promoting them on the list. If they post often and every time push their products, thats too much, but an occasional mention such as in this thread, is not offensive - and I think the majority of posters would agree. I also find it helpful, as I never heard of Xtinct before. Now I know that Xtinct is available if the company I work for needs a product like that. I know several have come down hard on a few people promoting their products, and they toned down and didn't mention their products except on rare occasion. Also, as in the posting below, I think it might help others to know about their products. I know some of the best answers to questions come from people who work for vendors, like the late Bruce Black, or some of the many IBM posters. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Daniel McLaughlin daniel_mclaugh...@us.crawco.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:18 PM Subject: Re: Data erase on stacked backend tapes. Why not a private solicitation off list? I've relegated one TPV to my trash bin for this. Daniel McLaughlin Z-Series Systems Programmer Information Communications Technology Crawford Company Larry Crilley larry.cril...@dino-software.com Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 03/27/2009 02:16 PM I don't like to advertise on the listserv, but since UHC is already a T-REX customer, you might want to check out our Xtinct product. It will wipe data (make it Xtinct!) on tape and/or disk. http://www.dino-software.com/products_xtinct_factsheet.php -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A foolish consistancy or 3390 cyl/track architecture
Ron, Thanks for clearing up how the current drives actually work. It just seems like IBM could get away from the track and cylinder stuff, which artificially restricts the amount of storage you use. If you use short blocksizes, or long ones that just go over 1/2 track, you waste an awfull lot of space. Of course, well written SMS routines can correct that, but it still makes things a lot more complicated than it should be. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Ron Hawkins ron.hawkins1...@sbcglobal.net Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:31 AM Subject: Re: A foolish consistancy or 3390 cyl/track architecture Perhaps there is more to the emulation of CKD than the thread touches on. Disk Drives stopped recording in CYLS some time ago because the time for head switching is greater than the minimum seek time. Drives today record in a serpentine method across the platters, doing a switch-back (best word I can think of) to the next head at intervals defined by the HDD designers. The whole idea of tracks and CYLS is really dead and buried as far as the real hardware is concerned. Ron -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A foolish consistancy or 3390 cyl/track architecture
You may be right, but from your reply you apparently don't know for sure whether bad blocksizes actually take up more dasd or not. Does anyone know whether this affects the total amount of dasd or not that can be used? I would think that since you have to define the dasd on a new box, that once it is defined and all used, that you would have the potential for so many TB, but the actual data that you store would still be affected by blocksizes. I know when I was at Washington University, we got a new Shark that had 15TB (I think), and was triple the capacity of the old one. I know we defined all the dasd that we had defined on the old one, and then set up a whole new copy of everything. We then flashed everything (5TB), which took less than a minute, although the under the cover copying took a lot longer. We still had 5TB left, which they were using up for DB2 stuff when my contract ended. I suspect that once another 2.5TB was defined, and its mirror image to be flashed was defined, that no more dasd could be defined, but I don't know that for sure. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Patrick O'Keefe patrick.oke...@wamu.net Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 2:22 PM Subject: Re: A foolish consistancy or 3390 cyl/track architecture On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:50:16 -0500, Eric Bielefeld eric- ibmm...@wi.rr.com wrote: ... It just seems like IBM could get away from the track and cylinder stuff, which artificially restricts the amount of storage you use. If you use short blocksizes, or long ones that just go over 1/2 track, you waste an awfull lot of space. ... ... it still makes things a lot more complicated than it should be. I think that logic may not apply. It all depends on how the emulation works. The wasted track space may not take any space on the real hardware. We may be protected from our old stupidity (but I'm sure there is lots of new stupidity to make up for that). It's still complicated. Now you have to know which old guideleines still hold, which can be discarded, and what new guidelines are needed. Pat O'Keefe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A foolish consistancy or 3390 cyl/track architecture
Tom, I don't think you answered my question. I remember a year or two before we built our datacenter that opened in 1996, we looked at getting the STC box (Now STK). I read a lot about it the time, but in the end we didn't get one. What you wrote below I remember, especially the compression, and writing all new and updated data in a new location. BUT, you define so many volumes. Once you have them defined, and all of the space is allocated, you can't add volumes because they are blocked better, or delete volumes because you just wrote a couple huge files blocked at 150 bytes per block. That just doesn't make sense. (I hope this makes sense!) When we built the PH datacenter, we added a bunch of 3380 and 3390 strings. I never quite understood why we didn't go with the new technowlogy, but they were cheap - at least the purchase price. I don't know if they saved any money after maintenance though. We totally filled up the datacenter with all the dasd. Later, when we got a Hitachi box, and replaced the 3090S with a MP3000, we had a good sized ballroom available. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 5:23 PM Subject: Re: A foolish consistancy or 3390 cyl/track architecture On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:54:09 -0500, Eric Bielefeld wrote: You may be right, but from your reply you apparently don't know for sure whether bad blocksizes actually take up more dasd or not. Does anyone know whether this affects the total amount of dasd or not that can be used? When I worked at Wayne State University in Detroit, we bought an RVA. That was IBM's re-branded Iceberg. AFAIK, Sun also sells it as the SVA. On that box, all data stored on disk was compressed. Because any new data written to a track may not fit in the same location, every time data on a track was written, the track was written to a new location, and only the disk space required for the compressed data was used. There was a special utility used to report on how much of the back-end disk storage was used. IIRC, it was called Net Capacity Load. Allocating another volume or creating a snapshot did not increase the NCL. The micorcode has garbage collection routines that accumulate track areas that are no longer used and background tasks that move data around in order to maintain a contiguous area where new tracks can be written. It is a marvelous feat of engineering. And it is no wonder that the Iceberg was so much later getting to markket than originally planned. In order for any DASD subsystem to be insensitive to blocksize, it would have to do something similar, compressing out the gaps and storing the track in discontiguous locations. AFAIK, the rest of modern DASD subsystems allocate specific locations for each logical volume, and therefore for each logical track. There has to be sufficient disk space to store the maximum amount of data in each track location. If short blocks are written, less data will fit in that logical track. I suppose you might ask why the disk can't store more short blocks on the track, reducing (or eliminating) the inter-record gap. But then, it wouldn't behave like a 3390, would it? What might that break? -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A foolish consistancy or 3390 cyl/track architecture
Walt, I understand that changing the track and cylinder architecture would involve lots of changes, and that it would also involve a lot of vendor changes to their software too. I'm not saying IBM should change it - it just seems overly complicated. I have no idea how IBM could change it, although several have mentioned FBA architecture, where everything is written out in 4K blocks. I have mixed feelings about this subject. To me it seems complicated, but that's also one of the things that gives z/OS the power it has. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Walt Farrell wfarr...@us.ibm.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 5:42 AM Subject: Re: A foolish consistancy or 3390 cyl/track architecture On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:50:16 -0500, Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com wrote: Thanks for clearing up how the current drives actually work. It just seems like IBM could get away from the track and cylinder stuff, which artificially restricts the amount of storage you use. If you use short blocksizes, or long ones that just go over 1/2 track, you waste an awfull lot of space. Of course, well written SMS routines can correct that, but it still makes things a lot more complicated than it should be. Perhaps I don't understand your point, Eric, but from the user perspective aren't things simple already? Just let the system pick the block size, and while you're at it allocate the space in terms meaningful to the user/application: megabytes or records. Thus, the only things that -should- be affected by the cylinder/head architecture are programs, and it's a lot simpler to leave them alone than it is to have to change them. Remember it's not just IBM code that would have to change. Many vendors and customers have written code that knows and depends on the cylinder/head architecture. -- Walt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ListServ Help
Using the very last line that is automatically appended to each post, you can unsubscribe from that web site. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Scott T. Harder scott.har...@embarqmail.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:59 PM Subject: ListServ Help Hi List, After 10 years with ASPG, Inc., I must report that I am no longer affiliated with that company. I have now subscribed to this list using my personal email address (below) and will do so for the other lists I belong to (RACF-L, ISPF-L, DB2-L, etc.). I have a question, however, about my subscriptions that are under my old work email address. Specifically, what is the easiest way for me to unsubscribe my ASPG work email subscriptions? I have referenced the ListServ RefCard and I don't even see unsubscribe anymore (at least in the copy of the RefCard that I have). I see SIGNOFF (syntax below), but have never used that before. If someone could, perhaps, throw me a bone on this subject, I sure would appreciate it. I need to unsubscribe from all off the ListServ lists I belong to as my old work email address and then I'll subscribe using my personal email address to all those same lists. And. that is the good news for me. I will be able to take an ACTIVE role in this and other lists - usually having to hit the manuals to look things up and I'll usually be behind a response of 10 or more people who knew the answer off the top of their heads - but I will be able to give the lists my undivided attention and they will certainly help keep me sharp until I get back in the game in terms of a real job. ;-) That's the plan, anyway. Thanks, folks! Scott T. Harder SIGNOFFRemove yourself: listname - From the specified list * - From all lists on that server * (NETWIDE- From all lists in the network -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: One less mainframe shop
Steve I'm sorry for your loss. I hope you find something when you finally finish your employment there. Your situation seems very similar to my bosses situation when I was at PH Mining. He spent about 2 months after everyone else left (only about 5 people in this case) decommissioning the datacenter. He had to arrange putting the building that we had leased back to its original condition. The building was previously used in manufacturing paint or something similar. The raised floor had to be pulled out, and several other things had to be done, as well as arranging to get rid of all the furniture etc. The ironic thing is that after he finished that, he found a job for a company that would provide a cold DR site, so after dismantling the PH datacenter, he built a new one. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Steve Horein steve.hor...@harcourt.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:21 AM Subject: One less mainframe shop For those that keep track, yesterday I had the sad duty of shutting down our z/OS environment for the last time. Ours wasn't a big shop with a single z890 running 2 LPARs (one Production and one sandbox). To help reduce costs for the last few months, we reduced capacity from a model 240 to model 320 last fall, just prior to IBM removing support for the z890. The application data that once resided on the mainframe was integrated into a system on another platform on or shortly after 12/31/2008. The remaining 3 months of processing was used for validation and to offload historic data. It's tough to say goodbye to my support staff, the application developers, operators, and schedulers/production control. I wish them all luck in their new endeavors! I've been retained for another couple of months to help remove the assets associated with the z environment, and then I'm off to find my own 'new endeavor'. Steve Horein Sr. Systems Programmer Houghton Mifflin Harcourt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Withdraws Patent Application on offshoring jobs
Ed - thanks for posting this article. It is very enlightening. I think the worst thing is the last line quoted below - most of the people cut are over 50. Also, to see an ad for your job pop up in China or India - thats got to be really tough to take. I just talked to a friend of mine from IBM Milwaukee a few days ago. He's thankful that he still has a job, but worried. I would think that the people cut would have a very good case in our court system for age discrimintation. I know there is a good case for IBM expanding in China and India and other Asian countries because they are doing more and more business over there, but to cut US jobs and just move them overseas just ain't right. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Ed Gould ps2...@yahoo.com IBM Rochester was not significantly touched by the latest downsizing of Big Blue's U.S. work force, from the information at hand. However, hundreds were cut in southeastern Minnesota in the so-called resource action the company pursued in late January. As KTTC NewsCenter reported in early March, it was an eye-opener for many long-time IBMers who lost their jobs in Rochester to see job descriptions for their old positions popping up in China. And anger built up when an analysis of the terminations showed that most of them came among those who were over age 50. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: annoying ISPF behaviour
Jim, I've had this same behavior in the last 3 contract jobs I've been at. It is very annoying. This has happened on z/OS 1.4, 1.7, and 1.9. I'm sorry, but I never figured it out either. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Jim McAlpine jim.mcalp...@gmail.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 10:24 AM Subject: annoying ISPF behaviour In ISPF settings I have all of the options unticked but occasionaly the tab to point and shoot field becomes selected automagically which is very annoying. Anyone come across this before and know why it happens. This is z/OS 1.7. Jim McAlpine -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Happy 45th Birthday
I thought the announcement said that this was the first mainframe that could upgraded to a bigger machine without having to rewrite all your code. I read the presentation yesterday, so I may have forgotten, but that's what I thought it meant. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Howard Brazee howard.bra...@cusys.edu Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 10:09 AM Subject: Re: Happy 45th Birthday On 7 Apr 2009 12:24:29 -0700, reg.harb...@ca.com (Harbeck, Reg) wrote: I just wanted to take a moment to wish the IBM mainframe a Happy 45th Birthday (see http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/mainframe/mainframe_PR360.htm l)! It seems to be saying that the System/360 was the first mainframe. What is the definition of mainframe being used here? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Copy/restore OMVS.ROOT - what about defrag?
To me, the problems with HFS and ZFS files seems to be a design flaw. When I was at PH Mining, we had the same problem. The root file kept growing - mostly I think because of logging activity. The files were kept for only a week and then automatically deleted, but the HFS file just kept getting more extents. It never made sense to me, when the total amount of data wasn't groing.. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:12 AM Subject: Re: Copy/restore OMVS.ROOT - what about defrag? Mark Jacobs wrote: We have a problem when a hfs/zfs grows to a huge size and since partial release doesn't work on these files to recover the allocated but unused space we have to perform a copy process to a new dataset. We have the same issue here. Our daily backups and weekly dumps got slower and slower and we didn't know why. Turned out many of our HFS/ZFS files had grown unbelievably huge (due to temporary spikes in needed DASD capacity), yet were practically empty. Reallocating them was no trivial task. A real PITA! -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Copy/restore OMVS.ROOT - what about defrag?
That was back in 1.2. It never seemed to matter then. That system is gone, replaced by RS6000's in a different city. You're right though, I should have put that type of thing in its own file system. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Veilleux, Jon L veilleu...@aetna.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:51 AM Subject: Re: Copy/restore OMVS.ROOT - what about defrag? Why on earth would you have log files in the Root? You are putting your whole USS environment at risk. One out of control user could kill the system Jon L. Veilleux veilleu...@aetna.com (860) 636-2683 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 12:48 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Copy/restore OMVS.ROOT - what about defrag? To me, the problems with HFS and ZFS files seems to be a design flaw. When I was at PH Mining, we had the same problem. The root file kept growing - mostly I think because of logging activity. The files were kept for only a week and then automatically deleted, but the HFS file just kept getting more extents. It never made sense to me, when the total amount of data wasn't groing.. Eric -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What (More) Open Source Software for z/OS?
Timothy, Do you really think your blog has more readers than IBM-Main? There are usually over 5,000 readers subscribed to IBM-Main. Somehow I think more people would see IBM-Main than your blog. How many readers to you get on your blog? Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Timothy Sipples timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 12:37 AM Subject: Re: What (More) Open Source Software for z/OS? I appreciate the responses, but please (also) post them to the comment thread at The Mainframe Blog: http://mainframe.typepad.com/blog/2009/04/what-more-open-source-software-do-you-want-for-zos.html That'll make sure they get read as widely as possible. Unfortunately some of the people interested in your wishlists aren't reading IBM-MAIN, including particular open source project leaders. For what it's worth, I agree that open source for z/OS should actually be open source. In fact, it would be best if any z/OS-related changes were maintained in the mainline open source project repository rather than as a fork. If at all possible. Thanks, everybody. - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan / Asia-Pacific E-Mail: timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Slightly off topic power limits
I was just thinking how anti business the power limits imposed by PGE are. I'm not sure if the limits are being imposed because of being on a fault line, or just because they don't have enough power generation in that area. If you were a large business with sites in multiple states, where would you build your new datacenter. In California, where your power would be limited, or in some state where they wouldn't limit your power. I know Wisconsin has had a lot of battles about building a new power plant to serve the Milwaukee area. Fortuneatly, we are building a new plant now. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Ed Gould ps2...@yahoo.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:40 PM Subject: Slightly off topic power limits I dialed in recently to an online technology discussion sponsored by Wikibon.org, a community of technology professionals. Speaking was Rich Avila, director of server and network operations at California State, who said saving power wasn't a fuzzy, feel good goal for him. It was a necessity. Avila is the director of server and network operations at California State University, East Bay, and he was responsible for 250 servers at the Hayward, Calif., institution. The school's data center had ramped up quickly and by late 2007, his utility was telling him he was drawing 67 kilowatt hours of power while the maximum available to him was going to be capped at 75 kilowatt hours. Pacific Gas Electric said in no uncertain terms there'd be no additional power available when he reached that limit, a date that appeared about six months off, Avila said. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Power Capacity Planning (was Slightly off topic power limits)
Tom, I agree with everything you say, but I still think that limiting a datacenter's power capacity is anti business. When limits are set by government, or in this case the power company, business tends to look at relocating their business to somewhere where those limits don't exist, or the overall costs are lower. Thats interesting that capacity planners now also consider power consumption. Considering that the price of electricity is generally going up, I'm sure that's a good thing. I've gone to a lot of MCMG (Midwest Computer Measurement Group) meetins over the years, but I don't recall that every being a topic, although lately I haven't gone and it might have been a topic of discussion. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Kelman, Tom thomas.kel...@commercebank.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:33 AM Subject: Power Capacity Planning (was Slightly off topic power limits) Eric, I think the point here is that for years data centers have proliferated servers that are single application and low utilization. This has driven their power usage sky high. I don't know if power companies in other states have started to put caps on power usage like PGE has, but I have heard that it is happening in Europe where the power companies are basically government owned. I've been in the capacity planning profession for about 20 years. Traditionally that involves planning for CPU consumption, memory, and storage. Now, in many shops that traditional capacity planner is adding power consumption to his/her list of items to trend and control in some way. This is another perfect reason to virtualize. Of course we all know that the mainframe is the best, most mature virtual machine available. Now, if we can just get management to realize that. Tom Kelman Enterprise Capacity Planner Commerce Bank of Kansas City (816) 760-7632 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Power Capacity Planning (was Slightly off topic power limits)
If it comes down to not being able to use a small amount more of power, that shows poor planning. Either because the power company didn't build more capacity, or because the groups regulating new power plants make it impossible. I don't think business should be limited because of artificial limits. Business should be encouraged to do everything possible to limit power growth. Just raising electricity rates goes a long way to accomplishing that. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 2:55 PM Subject: Re: Power Capacity Planning (was Slightly off topic power limits) What happens if the government/power company doesn't 'cap' power consumption, the data centre uses 'too much' and the grid blows? At least, this way, you can manage it without going belly-up. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Slightly off topic power limits
Radoslaw, Did you or someone at your shop talk to IBM about this? What did IBM say? Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl This is NOT nameplate rating, this is current utilisation! In this *real* case z10 consumer approx. 50% more power for the same number of MIPS. It's not nameplate, not theory, not sales presentation, this is measured reality. Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Slightly off topic power limits
I thought that in general the newer the z box, the less power consumption. Obviously, as in Radoslaw's case, that is not so. I wonder if the power consumption of the z/10 is higher than the z/9 throughout the entire MSU range. Obviously, the top end of the range there is no equivelent z/9, as the z/10 can be much faster. If the z/10 generally consumes more power, that's not good. Has anyone studied those numbers, and what do they show? If the z/10 generally uses more power, that would be a good argument for either staying on the z/9 you already have, or if like lots of shops whose z/800 or z/890 is out of gas, buying a z/9 instead of a z/10. Of course that ignores the maintenance costs, which tend to go up for each generation as it gets older. I remember IBM used to advertise the MP3000 that we had at PH Mining as taking less power than a coffee pot. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:04 AM Subject: Re: Slightly off topic power limits Eric Bielefeld pisze: Radoslaw, Did you or someone at your shop talk to IBM about this? What did IBM say? About what? What response should I expect? I had no promise the power consumption will decrease, the only thing I could expect was green plastic tube at the doors. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Using CA-JOBTRAC V11 SP3 in Production
I'm curious about something. The last time I was going to upgrade CA11, either in 2004 or 2005, they made you use Datacom as the database, instead of a PDS. I remember getting so frustrated with the install, that I decided to install something else instead. By the time I would have tried installing it next, the datacenter put a freeze on all upgrades because of its coming demise and being moved to another state running SAP/R3. My question is: Does CA11 work ok with datacom? Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Hoesly, Bret bret.hoe...@teldta.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 11:37 AM Subject: Re: Using CA-JOBTRAC V11 SP3 in Production We do currently have Jobtrac v11 SP3 running in production, but it hasn't been the most stable or reliable version by any means. The addition of Datacom was a challenge on the install, and has added more overhead and pain as well. Reporting used to be a lot easier to deal with, and response time for some commands is now outrageous thanks to Datacom. Also, we had one instance where a job abended but Jobtrac marked it as complete, so I opened a ticket with CA. Their answer was pretty much that they didn't know what happened, and since I was never able to recreate the problem, they said it's working like it's supposed to. Essentially, they blew off the whole issue. If it were possible to go back and run 3.5 unsupported, I'd be very, very tempted. It was rock-solid and never gave us anything near the grief we've had so far with R11... Bret Hoesly -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: APF Libraries (Was ADRDSSU protection
I had a problem once with an APF library not being RACF protected. I set up a library for something, I can't even remember what, and put it in the APF list. Unfortuneatly, it was the only APF library that had RACF protection allowing update by anyone. We had an audit about 2 years or so before the datacenter closed for good, and the audit tool that was used pointed out that problem. Of course, it was fixed within minutes of finding it. I can't remember the name of the tool, but I know it was very good, and expensive, although we finally bought it only after my boss negotiated a really good deal. It really seemed funny that about 2 years before the datacenter was closed, we started doing things that should have been done all along. We had our first disaster recovery test, and our first real audit of z/OS. Of course, that was the time that Sarbanes Oxley really hit the fan. On another note, the job front is looking up. I've got several possibilities for jobs now, although none of them may pan out. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Ed Gould ps2...@yahoo.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 12:50 AM Subject: Re: ADRDSSU protection Rick, I think I am going to disagree a little with you on this. Where the disagreement comes in is where companies hand out APF libraries like candy. I actually had a programmer that was smart enough to copy amaspzap into an authorized library and figure out where AMASPZAP was issuing the resource (right term?calls to RACF) and essentially no-oping it and the same for the place in amaspzap where it asks the operator to reply U and one or two other places. Companies need to control APF libraries at all costs, IMO. In this case the person could have called it something else and no one would have been any wiser. They also need to go through the libraries every so often and delete anything un-identifiable. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Journals availability
I was going to comment that I just got a free issue of IBM Systems Journal in the mail a few days ago, but then I thought I better go get the magazine and look at it. I got IBM Systems Magazine, the Mainframe Edition. I assume that this is a different magazine than the one you've been talking about. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Bob Shannon bshan...@rocketsoftware.com Subject: Re: IBM Journals availability I would argue that all of the issues previously available for free should have remained free, and that the subscription should only apply to future issues. Of course hiding this information from customers, and from potential customers, is incredibly stupid and short sighted. Bob Shannon -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Accessing a big sequential file
I had a thought, which you may or may not be able to use. If you can change the program that writes the big sequential file out, you might be able to write just the last record that you want to a separate file, as well as the large file. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Galambos, Robert robert.galam...@compuware.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:10 AM Subject: Re: Accessing a big sequential file If you have File-AID MVS its as simple as specifying backward processing within the selection criteria option panel and then asking for as many records as you need. Whether the file is 100 or 1 million records long. This can be done on line or batch as well if need be If you want, feel free in contacting me Hope this helps -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Journals availability
Hey - I used to like Popular Science when I was a kid! Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Chase, John jch...@ussco.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 10:39 AM Subject: Re: IBM Journals availability -Original Message- I assume that this is a different magazine than the one you've been talking about. Indeed. You got Popular Science instead of Scientific American. :-) -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: APF Libraries (Was ADRDSSU protection
I couldn't remember what DSMON was, so I looked it up on ASK.COM. I keep seeing ads for ASK.COM whenever I watch Nascar races, as one of the cars has ASK.COM as a sponser. The first hit had a good explanation, and now I remember just what it was. I don't know if DSMON(ICHDSM00) was protected or not, however it don't matter no more, as the datacenter has been gone for over 3 years now. I'm sure the guy that did the audit would have had me protect DSMON if it wasn't under RACF control, as he was very good. I was going to say I still can't think of the tool that I used to audit RACF, but then I decided to do a search. Neither google or Ask.com came up with the company, but I saw Vanguard in the explanation of one of the hits, and I remembered the name of the product. (Getting old is hell). The tool was Vanguard Administrator, Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Mark Zelden mark.zel...@zurichna.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu DSMON. *Free* (part of z/OS with RACF). Shows several reports including protection of important datasets. Hopefully DSMON (ICHDSM00) is program protected since it does show security related information. I'm not even allowed to run it in some of our environments. Health Checker RACF_SENSITIVE_RESOURCES check helps. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:mark.zel...@zurichna.com z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
z/Journal Does it Again
I just received another z/Journal email sponsored by Microsoft urging us to get off the mainframe and going to .NET. They refer you to the following web site: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver/mainframe/whoknew/default.aspx I would think that would be counter productive. I'm sure that Microsoft pays z/Journal big bucks to advertise, but if every mainframe user followed MS advertising, there wouldn't be a need for the z/Journal. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/Journal Does it Again
Phil, Thanks for that quote. It was very well worded by Bob Thomas. I still think the advertising revenue has something to do with it also, but I may be wrong. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Phil Smith III li...@akphs.com Here's an excerpt from Bob Thomas's publisher's letter in the May/June issue of Mainframe Executive, which is directly relevant: This May/June 2009 issue of Mainframe Executive marks our eighth issue published. Although the target audience for both Mainframe Executive and z/Journal is users of IBM mainframe computer systems, I think it's important to remind readers that both magazines are totally independent publications. [He means not owned by IBM, not independent of each other] As our readers have no doubt already noticed, the vast majority of articles, white papers, and ads in both magazines are clearly pro-mainframe. And while we are upfront about our mainframe bias, we do recognize that the mainframe isn't the optimum solution in all situations. So, we also will feature articles, white papers, and ads dealing with mainframe alternatives as a service to our readers. Because the readers we serve mostly reside within large public and private organizations of all types, we feel it's our duty to objectively deliver information for all types of mainframe-centric computing considerations that occur within an enterprise and aid in achieving business objectives. -30- And of course he's right -- mainframe fan that I am, I'm not going to argue that it's *always* the right answer. Pretty well every shop has Microsoft/Intel stuff, so it's a reasonable assumption that companies are already aware that there are alternatives. It's also a reasonable assumption that they're smart enough to evaluate what's actually best for their business, despite our (and I include myself!) bleating about management by magazine. On the other hand, blind, fan-boy mainframe idolatry is just childish: ignoring the competition and hoping it will go away doesn't work. We tried that in the 90s, remember? -- ...phsiii Phil Smith III -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TSO/E Exits
I'd be very curious about the answer to what percent of z/OS Mainframe shops subscribe to IBM-Main. I don't think we will ever get an answer to that question though. I would suspect that the total would be between 50-80%. I know many people read IBM-Main and never post, and many others read through newsgroups. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Guy Gardoit ggard...@gmail.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:09 AM Subject: Re: TSO/E Exits As a side point, I wonder as to the percentage of IBM shops that are on this list. Exactly, why ask on a list that probably a lot of shops don't belong to? The data (for whatever purpose) will not be exactly scientific and should not be a basis for decision making. I would hope other channels of communications are being used to elicit this info. Good guy or not, that just makes sense. Guy Gardoit z/OS Systems Programming -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: USERCAT Error (Out of Space)
I believe Innovations FDR Compactor can be used to reorganize usercats on the fly also. If you have Compactor, your Sunday window would be a good time. It probably would be easier to use than IDCAMs. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Mainframe: 50 Years of Big Iron Innovation
Pat - you may be a long timer, but I, as well as the majority of those on IBM-Main, are getting old. Call it like it is! Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Patrick O'Keefe patrick.oke...@wamu.net Excuse me, but that's Long timers. We prefer to avoid the word old. Pat O'Keefe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: USERCAT Error (Out of Space)
I was trying to find my CD with FDR, and I found it, but its too hard finding anything with a PDF file. I thought I read something in the book about reorging catalogs with Compactor, but its been a long time since I read about that, and I don't really remember what it does and doesn't do. I don't remember if FDR has their books on their web site, or if you have to own the product to access them. I know I always used the paper manual, which I could always find what I wanted. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Scott Rowe scott.r...@joann.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 3:42 PM Subject: Re: USERCAT Error (Out of Space) Yeah, I believe COMPAKTOR will re-arrange the extents of a usercat, but I don't think it will even merge the extents. It certainly WILL NOT reorganize the catalog records. Larry Crilley larry.cril...@dino-software.com 5/15/2009 4:04 PM Not so sure about FDR. Do you have a link? I see a lot of references to reorganizing datasets on a volume (releasing space, consolidate free space, consolidate data set extents, etc.), but I don't see any reference to reorganizing user catalogs. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 3:45 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: USERCAT Error (Out of Space) I believe Innovations FDR Compactor can be used to reorganize usercats on the fly also. If you have Compactor, your Sunday window would be a good time. It probably would be easier to use than IDCAMs. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html CONFIDENTIALITY/EMAIL NOTICE: The material in this transmission contains confidential and privileged information intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this material in error and that any forwarding, copying, printing, distribution, use or disclosure of the material is strictly prohibited. If you have received this material in error, please (i) do not read it, (ii) reply to the sender that you received the message in error, and (iii) erase or destroy the material. Emails are not secure and can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by email. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
IBM Softcopy Reader and Vista
I was trying to install the Softcopy Reader tools from my z/OS 1.9 collection dated April 2008. Does anyone know if that is compatible with Windows Vista? I had some problems trying to install it. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Softcopy Reader and Vista
I don't usually reply to my own posts, but I will this time. I did a search on softcopy reader download, and it took me right to the correct web site. I downloaded the 3.8 version, and it seems to be working fine. I should have done that first. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 4:31 PM Subject: IBM Softcopy Reader and Vista I was trying to install the Softcopy Reader tools from my z/OS 1.9 collection dated April 2008. Does anyone know if that is compatible with Windows Vista? I had some problems trying to install it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: USERCAT Error (Out of Space)
You are probably correct. Maybe someone from Innovation will reply on Monday with the definitive answer. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Richard Peurifoy r-peuri...@neo.tamu.edu Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 4:45 PM Subject: Re: USERCAT Error (Out of Space) Eric Bielefeld wrote: I was trying to find my CD with FDR, and I found it, but its too hard finding anything with a PDF file. I thought I read something in the book about reorging catalogs with Compactor, but its been a long time since I read about that, and I don't really remember what it does and doesn't do. I don't remember if FDR has their books on their web site, or if you have to own the product to access them. I know I always used the paper manual, which I could always find what I wanted. Probably what you are thinking of is that when compacting there was an option to reorg the VTOC so that all the unused DSCB's were at the end. I think the intent was to speed up VTOC searches, but it actually slowed most down, because usually the DSCB TTR was in the catalog entry, and after being reorg'd, they were wrong. This would eventually be corrected, because the system will recatalog datasets with bad DSCB TTR pointers. The compactor manual now recommends against reorging the VTOC. Of course if you are moving the VTOC this doesn't apply as the TTR's will be wrong anyway. I don't recall any option to reorg a CATALOG. -- Richard -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Mainframe: 50 Years of Big Iron Innovation
Jee Whiz. I make a simple comment, and everone has to state their age. (Sorry for the language). Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Jan Vanbrabant jan.vanbrab...@telenet.be Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 7:57 AM Subject: Re: IBM Mainframe: 50 Years of Big Iron Innovation I join 'your group', Kel only 35 :-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Share Website Hacked
And if they bought a z_Series to do that, how much would the cost of Share go up? Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Bob Woodside ibm...@woodsway.com Perhaps they should use something that's less likely to be broken into ? Perhaps something like Apache/IBM HTTP Server running on a z-Series box? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Submitting a Marketing REQUEST (was: BLOCK CONTAINS
Ed, And yet, IBM is hiring 1,300 people in Dubuque Iowa. I'm sure they will hire some who got laid off in other areas of the country, but it is a good sign. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Ed Gould ps2...@yahoo.com Excellent question. Although you might end up getting told to call the 1-800 IBM number. Chuckle they wouldn't know it if it cut their head in half. IBM really screwed the customer over when they got rid of the people x many years ago. I am happy to be far far far away from that IBM mess. If people ask me if IBM is a good investment, I tell them to run run run away as fast as you can as sometime soon it is going to belly up. If they have any business left it will probably be in INDIA. If they are doing short term its a 50-50 gamble as far as I can see. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Book on Poughkeepsie
After I read the quoted text, I kept thinking that the system 3 had 2 rows of 45 columns. I finally remembered that what I was thinking of was the Univac punched card. It was the same size as an 80 column card, but had 2 rows of 45 columns, and the holes in the card were round. My first job as a computer operator we had a 360 Mod 40 computer, but before I started they had a Univac computer. A while after I had started, we had a job that took all weekend loading tubfiles of these old Univac cards to disk. There was a special modification to the 2540 reader/punch to be able to read the 90 column cards. These were cards that spent time in the shop, so besides being very old, they had lots of hair and paper clips in them. Lots of card jams. At least we didn't have to sort them. The cards that got jammed were repunched into 80 column cards by keypunch. By the way, for the 96 column card, did each row go from left to right, or on one row did the columns go from right to left? I was just thinking that when you punched a 96 column card in a keypunch, it would be easier to move the card left to right for the first row, and then back up for the 2nd row, etc. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Field, Alan C. alan.c.fi...@supervalu.com The 96 column card was actually 3 rows of 32, almost a square card. Tiny round holes. I used them on a System/3 in the early 70sm. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
IBM-Main Postings Yesterday
Yesterday, I didn't get any emails from IBM-Main until about 5:30 P.M. CST. Did anyone else have any problems? I went to the web site, and saw that there were postings. This morning, I had the normal amount of emails from IBM-Main. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM-Main Postings Yesterday
Hmm - I didn't do anything - the postings just started up again. I'm surprised no one else had this problem. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Dave Salt ds...@hotmail.com Yes, I had the same problem. I didn't know why it was happening, so I resubscribed. Today everything seems back to normal. Dave Salt SimpList(tm) - try it; you'll get it! http://www.mackinney.com/products/SIM/simplist.htm Yesterday, I didn't get any emails from IBM-Main until about 5:30 P.M. CST. Did anyone else have any problems? I went to the web site, and saw that there were postings. This morning, I had the normal amount of emails from IBM-Main. Eric -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Book on Poughkeepsie
We still had our reader/punch until the end of 1995. I don't think we used it at all the last year. It finally took moving the datacenter to get rid of it. I do remember one time when they still used a lot of punched cards in the factory for picking tickets etc. when the punch broke. We didn't have IBM maintenance at the time. After 3 or 4 days of not being able to punch cards, we the maintenance company had to call IBM in. It turned out some internal cable was bad. We were getting to the point where the factory was going to have to shut down if we couldn't punch cards out anymore. I think that was around 1990. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Scott T. Harder scottyt.har...@gmail.com It's interesting to me that I am seeing a couple of references to the 80's (albeit early 80's) in some of these posts related to punched cards. I started in 1984 at ATT in Orlando (in I/O Distribution) and saw nary a punched card. I guess it depends on where you were. -- All the best, Scott T. Harder -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Application Compiles
When I worked at PH Mining before they got rid of the mainframe, the tech support group owned the compiler procs. We were the only ones with update to the production proclibs, although compiler procs went into SYS1.PROCLIB. We had a homegrown system in ISPF that selected the correct proc, and all of the correct options depending on what was entered in the panels. We also had a very sharp guy who learned to write Clists and Panels etc. He really did most of the work on updating the procs, panels, clists, and skeleton libraries. I often just copied them into the correct library. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Kreiter, Chuck chuck.krei...@stateauto.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 9:29 AM Subject: Re: Application Compiles Who is responsible for updating the PROCs when new loadlibs are added? Who changes the invocation utilities to incorporate new or overridden options or other variables? Who decides the architectural requirements for the application and codes the overrides for those? It's pretty clear that the app/dev teams own the application programs and systems owns the underlying functional tools (TSO/ISPF, ROSCOE, COBOL compiler libraries, etc). Thanks for all of the other responses. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: OT completely..........
Hi Rick, Here are my email addresses: eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com used only for IBM-Main eri...@wi.rr.com used for everything else. I would think you could get everyone who posts occasionally on IBM-Main from the list. I know my Windows Mail program shows me the email address for everything I get in emails. Sorry to hear about your misfortune. That reminded me that I haven't backed up my files for a long time. It inspired me so much that I still haven't backed up my files! Are you working now? I take it you are just doing occasional contract jobs. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 7:35 PM Subject: OT completely.. A great number of you kind ladies and gentlemen have shared private E-Mail addresses with me in the past. I would be highly appreciative (and VERY DISCRETE), if you could share that information again. Just drop me a line with Address as the subject line. Between a persistant virus and a hard drive failure, I've lost my entire address list and ask for your help in rebuilding it. I've also lost a lot of other things, but that's another story. :-( -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: OS/390
I assume you mean Phil Payne. Does anyone know what happened to him? I assume from some of his last posts that he was getting out of mainframes. I always enjoyed Phil's wit and aserbic comments. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Shane ibm-m...@tpg.com.au (Still) can't resist tugging the tigers tail Roger ?. Phil would be proud ... ;0) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: OS/390
Thanks Roger. Phil doesn't look anything like I thought he would. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Roger Bowler ibm-m...@snacons.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:37 PM Subject: Re: OS/390 On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:24:05 -0400, Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com wrote: I assume you mean Phil Payne. Does anyone know what happened to him? I assume from some of his last posts that he was getting out of mainframes. I always enjoyed Phil's wit and aserbic comments. Eric, You can continue to enjoy Phil Payne's ready wit and repartee in the google webmaster support forums. Here's an example: http://tinyurl.com/nl6bb6 And here you even get to see a photo of Uncle Phil himself: http://tinyurl.com/lyzkf3 Enjoy, Roger Bowler -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offload work to ziip
Isn't there a requirement that you have at least as many regular CPs as the total of ziip and zaap engines? I don't think you can buy just one regular engine, and then have say 4 ziips zaaps or whatever. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Jousma, David david.jou...@53.com I simply cannot see how IBM or any other ISV's will not challenge this. It clearly is not what IBM intended, and other ISV's could lose revenue if customers buy specialty engines, and reduce GP's. Or worse yet, ISV's will just start charging you for capacity based on ZxxP's along with GP's, thereby nullifying the benefit of ZxxP's. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM 7060-H30
Tracy, I was going to email you and find out where your 7060 was located, but then I looked for your web site and found out you are in Vermont. I would be interested in an H30, and it would fit in my car, but Vermont is a long way from Milwaukee. Also, there is the minor problem of z/OS software. I remember when the company I worked for had an H50, all of the IBM software cost 30K per month approximately. I believe the 7060 runs z/OS 1.5 and below. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Adams, Tracy tad...@cvps.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 7:35 AM Subject: IBM 7060-H30 While I am cleaning out my DR room... I also have an IBM 7060 H30, $1 plus shipping and packaging. Please respond to me directly. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ERASEDATA - DASD disposal
I always wondered if it was possible to read data if binary zeros or some other pattern were written to the disk. I thought that it would be very hard, which the article quoted seemed to agree with. But then, I noticed that the writer of the article didn't sign his name. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Norbert Friemel nf.ibmm...@web.de Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 11:08 AM Subject: Re: ERASEDATA - DASD disposal On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:36:08 +, Linda Mooney wrote: Do you consider the 4 passes with TRKFMT enough to be sure that the  data is really gone? http://www.h-online.com/security/news/112432 Norbert Friemel -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offload work to ziip
I have always thought that software pricing on z/OS is ridiculous. There are way too many options. I suspect that if IBM had drastically cut software costs on the MVS platform, there would be hundreds of thousands of mainframes out there, instead of maybe 10 to 20,000 mainframes. I just talked to a friend of mine today who is getting off the mainframe in a little over a year. They actually probably save money over what it will cost them to run the hundreds of servers it will take to replace the mainframe, even on VMWare. I think IBM has made their pricing so convoluted, that the impression that mainframe software is too costly will continue. When I was at PH Mining, they actually had the chance to go to all new work pricing. I can't remember the exact term, but I think if you only ran the new work stuff, you paid about 10% of the cost for z/OS and some of the other products. They converted everything to SAP/R3, and thought about going to a DB2 platform on the mainframe for the database server. They still would have needed an RS6000 to run SAP/R3, and at that time z/Linux was an unknown entity for a large SAP/R3 system. The reason they gave for not doing that was it was too complicated, and it probably was. Certainly, you had to have 2 computers instead of 1 - 1 z/OS for DB2 and 1 RS6000 for SAP. It was way to complicated. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Martin Kline martin.kl...@yrcw.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 10:07 AM Subject: Re: Offload work to ziip I'm not saying it is right. But this is the Pandora's box that Neon seems to be opening. In reality, a large company would most likely be much more subtle, and add additional capacity as ZxxP engines instead of GP's, and stay under the radar so to speak. Interesting discussion. A few bit-wise systems programmers have likely already found similar methods for utilizing ZiiP and ZaaP engines, and Neon may have found the legal loopholes or IBM support to profit from it. Good for them. It's probably not for publication, but I imagine similar systems programmers could just as easily enable all of the physical engines (licensed or not) to run at full speed. After all, if you're willing to skirt the license by utilizing ZiiPs and ZaaPs for unintended use, then why not go all the way using the argument of, My organization bought the machine, and they should have the right to use all of it any way they want. BTW, I have not personally attempted either approach to maximize CPU availability, although I probably have the ability to do so, and believe there are others who can and are willing to do the same. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: My Green Screen IBMLink is still working
My advice - don't log off! Its interesting that it would still work as long as you don't log off. I would think that they would have disabled the SNA links when they turned it off. I assume those are SNA links. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:19 AM Subject: Re: My Green Screen IBMLink is still working Edward Jaffe wrote: Today is the day the IBMLink 3270 interface is supposed to no longer work. But, I've been logged on since Monday and it's still up. Am I on borrowed time? It is Saturday morning, Independence Day in the USA, and my Green Screen IBMLink session is *still* working! I updated an existing ETR. (Not that I expect a response before Monday.) SIS is still working too! I might be the last customer in the country or even in the world with a fully-functioning IBMLink Green Screen session. I'm feeling VERY independent right now! :-D -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Alert and Resolve price changes
I can't really shed any light on the original question, but I am curious - can IBM raise rates without telling anyone? If your shop had 3 users, and they raised the price $35 per user, you probably won't go broke. If you had 100 users, that would be $3,500 a month - something that might get noticed. Of course if you had 100 sysprogs all with userids, you'd be a mighty big shop! I know the last shop I worked at didn't subscribe to any of the pay for services. The few times I had problems, I had to call the support center. Never quite made sense, as I'm sure they could have givin me the internet access and saved money by not having to take my calls. But then, IBM is primarily a marketing company, and very skilled at making the most money for the goods and services they provide. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Pommier, Rex R. rex.pomm...@cnasurety.com Greg, Since nobody really responded to your inquiry - other than to not hijack the thread... :-) I can't find any price hike notification either, but I just got a bill from IBM starting July 1 that sure looks like it is a price adjustment to raise my monthly Resolve bill from $165 to $190 as well. My quarterly bill started June 23, so apparently the date of the hike is 7/1. I vaguely recall seeing something talking about the price hike a while back but the spider webs that used to be my brain aren't working too well. Rex -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Pinned data on 2107 aka DS8000
I hate to ask a dumb question, but what is pinned data? I'm sure I once knew the answer to that question, but I can't for the life of me remember what it is. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Alert and Resolve price changes
Greg, Thanks for the info. I didn't find the part about raising rates at any time that you quoted (I didn't look too hard), but I really think they shouldn't quote the $165 / month rate and then charge you more! That just seems to be a bad business practice. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Greg Shirey wgshi...@benekeith.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 3:33 PM Subject: Re: Alert and Resolve price changes Eric, At this link: http://www-935.ibm.com/services/us/index.wss/offering/its/a1000175/dt005 which describes the pricing details for Resolve for zSeries ($165 a month per user), it states: *Price is U.S. only, subject to change without notice and does not include tax. Additional shipping charges may apply. So, I guess IBM can change the price without notifying anybody, since they say they can. I'm just used to them announcing things like this ahead of time. You make a good point about shops with multiple users. They may want to re-evaluate the number of subscriptions they have in these tight economic times... Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Co. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Pinned data on 2107 aka DS8000
John - Thanks for the definition. That brings furthur questions. How does data get into the cache that can't be written to disk? Is that something caused by a power failure for the device, or some other failure? Also, I would think that if that condition can cause the 2107 not to work, that there should be some easy way for the customer to push a button or type in something on the service console to clear the cache. To me it sounds like a design flaw, although I haven't kept up with the technical details of the 2107 as well as I should be. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: McKown, John jmck...@healthmarkets.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Pinned data on 2107 aka DS8000 I hate to ask a dumb question, but what is pinned data? I'm sure I once knew the answer to that question, but I can't for the life of me remember what it is. Eric Bielefeld Data in cache which cannot be flushed onto the physical DASD, IIRC. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Preview: z/VM V6.1; IBM Declares New Architecture Level Set (ALS)
Timothy, I am curious as to what the savings are in upgrading your old computer versus just buying the new model. What are the approximate savings as a percent? Another thought, if you upgrade your current box, you can't sell it. Granted, the value of an older box may not be worth trying to find a buyer, but upgrading removes that option. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Timothy Sipples timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com Also keep in mind that you can upgrade mainframe hardware up to two generations old to the current technology by ordering an upgrade parts kit, not a whole new frame. Upgraded machines retain their serial numbers. This is quite unlike nearly all other servers, which you have to throw away when you upgrade and/or which do not allow skipping a generation. My personal opinions. - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan / Asia-Pacific E-Mail: timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Preview: z/VM V6.1; IBM Declares New Architecture Level Set (ALS)
I thought the specialty engines stayed whether you ugraded your box or replaced it - that once you paid for them, you never had to pay again unless you added more of them. No one answered my original question of what percent savings there is in upgrading versus buying a new box. Maybe thats some of that secret IBM information that you actually have to be buying a processor before IBM will tell you. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Marian Gasparovic mar...@gmail.com Eric, all specialty engines stay, you don't pay for them again. By stay I mean, they will be in an upgraded box without charging you for them again. Marian Gasparovic IBM Slovakia On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Eric Bielefelderic-ibmm...@wi.rr.com wrote: Timothy, I am curious as to what the savings are in upgrading your old computer versus just buying the new model. What are the approximate savings as a percent? Another thought, if you upgrade your current box, you can't sell it. Granted, the value of an older box may not be worth trying to find a buyer, but upgrading removes that option. Eric -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Preview: z/VM V6.1; IBM Declares New Architecture Level Set (ALS)
Now that makes absolutely no sense. I'd be willing to bet that others have had the opposite happen. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Greg Shirey wgshi...@benekeith.com Eric, The answer is it depends. At one time, we asked for pricing on upgrading our 2086-260 to a 2086-270 (microcode upgrade) versus replacing our mainframe with a z9 BC. The estimates we got from the IBM business partner was that it would cost about 50% more to do the microcode upgrade than to bring in a new box. Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Co. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Neon revs cost-cutting mainframeware
Ed - Thanks for posting that article. Very interesting. I wonder how this will play out. Will IBM try to squash its use, as its own revenue will be cut, or will they decide to promote it or sell it themselves to try and up their marketshare, and hopefully their total sales of mainframes and software products? I've always thought that IBMs pricing is way too complicated, and tends to go against their old customers with lots of CICS and Cobol programs. If you qualify for new work, z/OS can cost way less, but I suspect few older customers qualify. I know at my last job, that was a big concern. They had about 90% of their workload as DB2, and the other 10% running several CICS regions. They split the 2 workloads and ran a sysplex, so they could get billed at one rate for the CICS stuff, and a much cheaper rate for the DB2 workload. Truly what we used to call a Shamplex. The worst thing is that if we could have run everything in 1 Lpar, we would have saved 10-20% of the machine cycles just for the overhead of running a sysplex. They make you jump through hoops, but you can save real money by jumping through those hoops! Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Ed Gould ps2...@yahoo.com Original URL: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/08/neon_zprime_mainframe/Neon revs cost-cutting mainframewarezPrime risks Big Blue ireBy Timothy Prickett MorganPosted in Servers, 8th July 2009 22:25 GMTUnderstand how application security is evolvingA small mainframe software tool developer called Neon Enterprise Software has opened up a can of worms - and quite possibly several cans of Big Blue whoop-ass - by launching a new tool that will allow customers to shift a larger percentage of their workloads from standard (and expensive) mainframe engines to the cheaper specialty System z mainframe engines known as zIIPs and zAAPs. It's called zPrime.With around 10,000 footprints worldwide, maybe somewhere around $4bn in mainframe sales a year, and heaven only knows how many billions per year in monthly rentals for mainframe operating systems, databases, and middleware, IBM is very protective of its mainframe franchise monopoly. (SNIP) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: MSU question z800 vs. z9BC
I had a good chuckle when I read the first quote below. I have to disagree with the 2nd quote though. I'm sure that the manager who could get a good deal on a z/800 would prefer to know that his software costs would go up by 19 or 20%, probably negating the great savings on the z/800. I've never been a manager, but even if I thought I could save the company money by purchasing a z/800, if the true cost were higher, I really would want to know that, because when you get the first software bill after the switch, everyone will know. Also, don't forget that maintenance costs will go up substantially. One other comment, slightly off of the topic, but generated also by the first quote below. Some people say things on this list that I know if I said them, I wouldn't want them to get back to my manager. I try my best never to say anything that replects poorly on my current employer, and even past ones. Your manager may never read this list, or anyone else in you company, but he might know someone who does, who reports what you said to him. I know once I made a comment about a CA product that we had that was very derogatory. My comment was the truth though. Our CA rep, who probably never read this list heard about it, and hollered at me. I think she got it from one of the many CA developers who follow this list. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Mark Jacobs mark.jac...@custserv.com I would say more, but I need to keep my job. -- You don't tell a manager facts that go against their gut feeling, it just annoys them. -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Article Mainframe Stolen
Hey Rick. I live about 8 miles from lake Michigan. Let me know when they start that process! Eric (Sorry everyone - I couldn't resist) Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net Yes there is worse than worst. We call them LAWYERS. What do you call 100,000 lawyers on the bottom of Lake Michigan? A GOOD START!!! :-) Rick --- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
MCMG Meeting tomorrow
I should have posted this a couple weeks ago, but I just thought of it now.
There is an MCMG (Midwest Computer Measurement Group) meeting in Milwaukee
tomorrow at Northwestern Mutual Insurance. It only costs $30 for a full day
of presentations. The web site is:
http://regions.cmg.org/regions/mcmg/
If you want to go, you can just come, although they prefer earlier
registration. If you do, come see me at the meeting and let me know you
came because of my post.
Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
414-475-7434
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Subject: Re: z/OS Mainframe - SFTP - Disable Publickey Authentication and
only use Password?
Anyone know what is wrong with the following?
//SFTP EXEC PGM=BPXBATCH,
// PARM=('PGM /bin/sftp -v slae...@gis.cms.hhs.gov -F /u/home/sa10$
// .ssh/config')
It generated the following:
.usage: sftp .-vC1. .-b batchfile. .-o option. .-s subsystem|path. .-B
buffer_size.
. .-F config. .-P direct server path. .-R num_requests. .-S
program. host
. sftp ..u...@.host.:file .file...
. sftp ..u...@.host.:dir./...
. sftp -b batchfile .u...@.host
I look forward to your response.
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Re: z/OS Mainframe - SFTP - Disable Publickey Authentication and only use
Password?
Problem is that we don't actually know what is on the far end. We are only
assuming/speculating that ssh is the vehicle. Further, we don't know the
precise flavor of server software in use on the far end.
Had a partner site that was 100% positive that they were using ssh. Not
only were they actually using TLS, but the server software claimed to be
RFC compliant but actually only worked with Windows clients.
I think we all agree that the statement that ... they don't require any
authentication of keys... doesn't compute.
A puzzlement :-)
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf Of Kirk Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 5:04 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: z/OS Mainframe - SFTP - Disable Publickey Authentication and
only use Password?
ssh (used by sftp) won't work unless *host* keys are exchanged when
the session is setup. The client has a little database of known host
keys and will fail if the server has a different key. A configuration
option allows the OpenSSH client to accept a new host key
automatically, otherwise a interactive user is required to acknowledge
acceptance.
User authentication can be done in a number of ways, including keys
and password. The password is *never* sent in the clear.
Kirk Wolf
Dovetailed Technologies
http://dovetail.com
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Hal Merritthmerr...@jackhenry.com
wrote:
They may not but the protocol does. That's the way it works.
There's something missing. Maybe they accept FTP in the clear, using
only an ID and password.
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Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:59 AM
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Subject: Re: z/OS Mainframe - SFTP - Disable Publickey Authentication
and only use Password?
The external site (CMS) has informed us they don't require any
authentication of keys (public and private).
Thank You.
Len Sasso
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Re: ALLOCATION OF USERCAT MYSTERY - URGENT
Esmie, Do you have real 3380s on the floor, or just dasd that emulates 3380s? I know when I was at PH and we got rid of all of the 3380s, we had 2 or 3 volumes defined on real 3390s that were emulated 3380s. We needed them for an old Cadam application that didn't work with the 3390 track format. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: esmie moo esmie_...@yahoo.ca Our software guru confirmed my hunch. Seems that this was set up eons ago and since there are 3380's on the floor it WON'T be changed. Hence, in the future I will need to add 15% more space when allocating a USERCAT in this partition. Thanks to you all for your valuable advice and input. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ALLOCATION OF USERCAT MYSTERY - URGENT
Esmie, You might want to talk to your management and let them know that almost any of the newer DASD available on the market today will probably cost you way less money than you are currently paying for maintenance. I believe if you need the 3380 track format, that all of the current dasd on the market should be able to format some volumes that way. If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will correct me. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: esmie moo esmie_...@yahoo.ca Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 8:38 AM Subject: Re: ALLOCATION OF USERCAT MYSTERY - URGENT Eric, I was told that the volumes are real 3380. However, since I don't have access to the DATACENTER I cannot be 100% sure. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Bulletproof (was Re: Mainframe hacking (getting back on topic))
I'm just curious. Has anyone worked for a company whose datacenter was struck by a tornado? Was the datacenter damaged or destroyed? Especially, what if the building was a really tall building? I don't recall ever hearing that. I know in Milwaukee, we occasionally have tornados. Back in the 60's, my wife's family farm near Platteville had a lot of damage due to a tornado. Her dad just watched from the living room. Luckily, it didn't hit the house but only a barn and silo. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: John Eells ee...@us.ibm.com Several years ago, I visited a state-run data center in the USA's tornado belt. They had searched high and low for a building design that was tornado proof but nobody would certify that. They had to settle for a building that was missile proof. The missile in this case was a utility pole hitting end-on at 200mph. I have no idea whether a tornado ever hit that building, but I do know there are few other buildings I would rather be inside. (Well, Cheyenne Mountain would probably be OK, if you call that a building. ;-) John Eells z/OS Technical Marketing IBM Poughkeepsie ee...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What's the difference in SMP/E between the SOURCEID's called RSUnnnn and PUTnnnn ???
Ken, There is a program on the CBT web site (WWW.CBTTAPE.ORG) that has a rename program that allows you to rename files that are in use. I can't remember which file it is, but I'm sure that someone will give the number if you can't find it. There is also a way to do that with ISPF, to give yourself RACF authority to do renames of datasets in use, but I have never done that. When I want to make a dataset bigger, I basically allocate a new dataset, so if SYS1.SERBLINK was full after compressing, I would allocate SYS1.SERBLINN, without cataloging it. Then, I copy SERBLINK to SERBLINN. Then, I rename both datasets, using the CBT utility - SERBLINK to SERBLINO and SERBLINN to SERBLINK. I browse each, and if there are the same number of members, I delete SERBLINO. Nothing changes the catalog. As long as you allocate the larger file on the same pack, once it is renamed to SERBLINK, the catalog will point to the new dataset. I have been using that for many years, and it always works well. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Klein, Kenneth kenneth.kl...@kyfb.com Allan, the problem is that the datasets are on the target res vol with the same name as the dataset on the currently running res vol and they are catalogged in the master cat. Eg. sys1.serblink, isf..sisfload. I can iebcopy them to new bigger datasets with new names on the target res vol but I can't rename them or the current live master cat will be fubarred. Ken Klein Sr. Systems Programmer Kentucky Farm Bureau Insurance - Louisville kenneth.kl...@kyfb.com 502-495-5000 x7011 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Announces FICON Express8
I just read through a lot of the announcement letter from the link quoted below. This sounds very interesting. I don't know what the FICON Express8 channels cost, but I know if you just bought your machine, and you decide you need those channels, you it will probably cost a lot to convert. I know the last company I contracted for just got their z/10 BC several weeks ago, so I'm sure they won't have the new channels. The also were running z/OS V1.7 when I left. One thing from the announcement letter puzzled me. This is from the Software Requirements section, refering to the z/OS v1.7 Lifecycle Extension: IBM Lifecycle Extension for z/OS V1.7:z/OS V1.7 support was withdrawn September 30, 2008. The Lifecycle Extension for z/OS V1.7 (5637-A01) makes fee-based corrective service for z/OS V1.7 available through September 2010. With the Lifecycle Extension, z/OS V1.7 supports the System z10 servers (z10 EC, z10 BC). Certain functions and features of the z10 servers require later releases of z/OS. For the complete list of software support, see the PSP buckets. For more information on the IBM Lifecycle Extension for z/OS V1.7, refer to Software Announcement 208-283, dated August 12, 2008. I know we had a discussion about the Lifecycle extension some time ago, and a few people chimed in and said they weren't paying for the Lifecycle Extension. They just put on all of the PTFs from the PSP buckets and things worked fine. This was so you could run a z10 machine using z/OS V1.7. I'm not sure what the quoted paragraph above says. Do you have to pay for the Lifecycle Extension to be able to use these new channels to get the maintenance, or can you just pull the PSP buckets? I guess I'm just curious. I think curiosity is one attribute that makes a good sysprog. Does anyone think they will upgrade their z/10 to use the new channels? I imagine the channels are just the first step. To fully utilize the channels, you need to replace all your I/O gear, although it sounds like there are some benefits with the new channels even without updating your disk or tape drives. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Timothy Sipples timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com The announcement letter is here for 8 Gbps: http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/7/897/ENUS109-417 Shipments should start very soon (on July 31, 2009). FICON Express8 is available for System z10 EC and BC. IBM is withdrawing FICON Express4 adapters for z10 machines (only) effective October 27, 2009. - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan / Asia-Pacific E-Mail: timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Announces FICON Express8
I doubt if the new channels will be significantly more expensive if you buy them with a new machine. If you just took delivery of your machine 2 months ago, and then realize these chanells could help because you have a huge DASD farm, you might be talking significant dollars, although if you have the processing for a significant DASD farm, the added cost might not seem so high. Since I'm not working now, I can't really ask IBM how much these channels cost, and I'm sure if someone else found out, they wouldn't be allowed to say how much they cost. Radoslaw - I suspect your right about these new channels not helping the I/O load much for the average shop. I know when I worked at PH Mining, the only time I ever saw channels above 50% where when backups were running, and all 16 of our 3490E tape drives were running. I believe that caused significant delays backing up through the 4 Escon channels attached to the 2 controllers, but then in the manufacturing environment they had, it wasn't that critical to get the batch done that fast. Actually, Australia and a few other parts of the world that used our mainframe did experience delays during their prime shifts, but I guess they learned to live with it. I suspect the real benefit will come when all the devices made include support for the new channels, and that probably will be awhile. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl Eric, I don't think the new channels will be significantly more expensive. Of course the change will be paid. Last but not least: - you don't need the channels if you don't have 8Gbps on the other end of cable. I mean CU or switch for shared channels (rather theoretical scenario - fully loade channel and multiple CUs connected). - you don't need the channels if your current utilization is reasonably low. From my limited experience - I have never observed 50% utilization on my FiconEx4 channels connected to 4Gbps capable DASD CU. I use 4 channels, more port are available at both ends. So, in my case I don't expect Ficon Express8 channels before z11 arrives here. Good for current economy g -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CA Mainframe 2.0
Did anyone else see the CA Mainframe 2.0 video? I just watched it. You can find it at: http://www.ca.com/lean-it-mainframe.aspx It's 8 minutes long. The first 4 minutes could have all been said by IBM. I've heard IBM presentations that sounded very similar. The last 4 minutes talked about CA Mainframe 2.0. I confess that I am interested in this. Actually, the way CA promotes this, it is good for IBM, as well as CA. If this product benefits the mainframe, then it benefits us. I really don't know that much about it yet, other than what I've heard here on IBM-Main. One thing that struck me is that the presenter still used MIPS. I know many think of MIPS as Meaningless Indicator of Performance, however I think it still is the most widely used and probably the most widely understood performance indicator. It sure beats MSUs, which now are totally rediculous with the hardware MSUs being different from the software MSUs. What is IBM thinking? I attended the Midwest Computer Measurement Group (MCMG) meeting in Milwaukee last Friday. Al Sherkow gave 2 good sessions on IBM's pricing by workload license charging, and about ziip and zaap processors. I believe he mentioned several times how complicated their pricing is getting. He didn't like it the way their pricing works, but he makes his living off of it, so at least for him its a good thing. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Neon's zPrime - IBM response from July 10
I just commented about the MCMG meeting that I attended last Friday. On the ziip and zaap session that Al Sherkow gave, he talked quite a bit about the zPrime product, as several people there had seen the discussion on IBM-Main. He didn't have any knowledge (or at least he said he didn't) about what IBM was going to do about it, but it looks like the link below gives IBM's response. I'm really curious how this plays out. Is IBM going to charge you for stuff you run on your ziip that zPrime routed there, or are they going to let it slide to try to gain marketshare? Or, something totally different? Is anyone running zPrime yet? I suspect if you are, you are sworn to secrecy. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Ken Porowski ken.porow...@cit.com Found this on the web http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/mainframe-blog/ibm-warns-custo mers-about-neons-zprime/ -Original Message- If you want IBM's initial response to zPrime, ask your IBM business partner. You can get a letter written by Mark Anzani (IBM VP and CTO, System z) dated July 10. Paragraph 4 and 5 lay out their position. Seems like IBM thinks you might owe them more money not less if you implement zPrime. Not sure if this is just FUD or not, but sounds reasonable. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CA Mainframe 2.0
I forgot to mention that in my last post, but yes, Al did bring up his working as a consultant for zPrime. He also mentioned that a good part of his consulting work is for IBM. He was very open about this, so I don't think he would mind my mentioning it. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com Al has admitted to being a consultant for zPrime. I wonder if that makes him culpable? :-X -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: why message ILR031A occurred only once when I swithed to another LPAR
So what is a pgds? Is that a 'Pretty Good Data Set'? At first I thought maybe that was a typo, but you spelled it that way twice. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Vernooij, CP - SPLXM kees.vern...@klm.com PLPA is probably the first pgds opened. Is it possible that by the time you replied and the system got to the other pgds's, it was more than 10 minutes later? Kees. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: why message ILR031A occurred only once when I swithed to another LPAR
My brain must be in reverse today. I should have figured that out, but I must confess I've never seen pgds used for page dataset before. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Vernooij, CP - SPLXM kees.vern...@klm.com Yes. I am sorry, I thought this abbreviation was more or less common. Kees. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: USS misuse
I still think that IBM should have chosen another acronym for Unix than USS. I believe VTAM USS table is still valid, and still used, so it is confusing to me that IBM should use the same acronym for something that is still in use. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: David Alcock mainframed...@sbcglobal.net Today when I read USS, I think Unix. 20 years ago I thought VTAM. Languages evolve. Thou shalt evolve too. I'm not saying you have to like it. I've also been known to drive on a parkway and park on a driveway. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Training
Steven, If you look back over Steve Comstock's posts over the last few years, you will find a LOT of very good and useful information. Others on the list over the years have complained about his plugging his training products, and he has toned down his plugging of his products on the list. This is a subject that comes up periodically on IBM-Main. Personally, I don't think there is a problem with that, and I think that most people on this list would aggree, as long as its not blatent. As to his private email to you, what's the big deal? I'm sure after your reply on this list, he will never send you another email. I know a few people on this list get upset when they get private postings trying to sell them a product or services, but whats the big deal. If you consider it spam, just delete it. As someone who trains others, and developes courses in training, Steve Comstock is a very good resource for this list. Because he has to teach some of the subject matter discussed here, he probably knows about a lot of things that the average sysprog hasn't figured out yet. There are many other people in product developement that post frequently. I always value their input because they know their subject matter. I work with a lot of products, and never get to work for a year or 2 on any one product, so I value the postings of those that develope the products, or training for the products. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Bott, Steven steven_b...@csx.com Mr. Comstock, My use of IBM-MAIN is to present peer systems programmers with challenges and solutions in our field. Your exploitation of this forum is inappropriate. If we were to allow Vendors to exploit this forum for marketing purposes I believe many of us would stop using the forum. Regards, Steven Bott -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Operator Validation before Executing Command
We used to have an exec that deleted all of the spool datasets older than 7 days old from our VM spool. I think once I accidently entered todays date, instead of the date 7 days ago, and deleted everything. This was especially bad, because at that time we had lots of spool files that were written to the VM spool from MVS jobs. These were massaged, usually by execs by some user, and then read back into processing the next day. I have to say, my boss was very understanding and didn't yell too loudly at me, but he did get a lot of heat about it. Someone rewrote the exec to subtract 7 from the current date, so all we had to do was hit enter. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Richard Peurifoy r-peuri...@neo.tamu.edu For common replies/commands, this is true, but I think for unusual situations that happen rarely, a confirmation can help. A long time ago (late sixties) we had an operator reply COLD to a HASP startup, he didn't understand what it meant. Our HASP sysprog added a little code that checked for a reply of COLD, and issued the following message: There is a curse I'm told on those who wrongly reply COLD. Their hair turns white, their eye's loose site, they grow wrinkled and old. DO YOU WISH TO CONTINUE? We never had an inadvertent COLD start again. -- Richard -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CA1 Service Pack Level display
Lizette, Doesn't CA1 list the level when it starts? It should be in the syslog then, or you can try displaying it from the DA screen, although that may be something that comes up with no displayable data. I can't look since I don't have a system available. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com CA1 one tells me that when you do a TMSSTATS report with PARM=OPT, the GEN 0904 is for SP05. Makes sense??? Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z Training: IBM System z Expo - Oct. 5-9, 2009 - Orlando
That's a shame that IBM won't allow non-IBM presenters. Since I'm not working now, it doesn't make much difference to me, but if I had a full time job, I think I would just skip the IBM conference and go to Share, provided my employer would send me. I've been to two IBM conferences, and two Share conferences. Both have good and bad points. The IBM sessions are slightly longer, (at least when I went), but that means there are a few less of them each day. I think the IBM conference had a half day off on Wednesday, if I remember, which was really nice to go do something (or am I misremembering). One thing about the difference between the 2 - the IBM conference had a lot fewer sessions to choose from, which made it a lot easier to pick sessions. That could be either a plus or a minus. But, also most sessions at the IBM conference were repeated once. At Share, it seemed the stuff I really really wanted to see was all on one or two days, meaning there were a lot of sessions that I just couldn't see. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Mark Post mp...@novell.com That would be hard to do, since I doubt the agenda is even close to finalized at this point. Also, as Ed Jaffe noted, a lot of non-IBM speakers are likely not be there this year, so they're going to have to work even harder than usual to get the schedule set up. Mark Post -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Of link lists and application programs
Hi Rick, When I worked in Iowa, I upgraded Changeman. Every release requires going over all of your customization. I know I spent a lot of time figuring out what had to change. Most of the changes were in ISPF datasets, especially the skeletons. Since I had never worked with the product, its a good thing that the scheduler who I worked with knew a lot about Changeman. My client used Changeman a lot for all changes except of course system changes. It worked well for them, but was a lot of work to set up. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net We tried Changeman and it was an absolute nightmare building the JCL sets for it to use. Even Serena had problems. Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Information Center Query - CLARIFICATION
I know in 21 years at PH Mining, I never put ICF on any menus in ISPF other than the sysprog menu. By the way, if I remember right ICF stands for Information Center Facility. Every time I looked at it when logging on after upgrading to a new release, I wondered why IBM bothered, as there didn't seem to be anything useful in it. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com I did not mean to overload the ICF acronym. I was not referring to anything to do with coupling facility, catalogs, or Library Server replacements. I'm asking about the TSO/E Information Center on z/OS. The libraries start with ICQ. I have never used it. I have never seen anyone use it. I was wondering if anyone uses it. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there an owner of IBM-MAIN nowdays?
You might ask Ed Finnell. I beleive he works there also, although I doubt if he runs the list. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Ed Gould ps2...@yahoo.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:43 PM Subject: Is there an owner of IBM-MAIN nowdays? I sent an question to the former owner of IBM-Main (Evans) and he could not help me with my question as he doesn't have access to the LOGS (IIRC). Who is the owner so I can contact him/her about a small issue I am having? Thanks, Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ISPF Counter
Or a year or two away from bankruptcy! Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com All true. So start your own company, become a Partnerworld member, set up on Dallas like we have, and develop in your copious spare time from the comfort of your home :-) . Just a year or two away from riches. So they tell me. Kind regards, -Steve Comstock -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: A failure at SHARE
How cold. Something tells me Ed G won't be coming to Share, as he is retired. I keep trying to remember when I was at Share. The mind forgets more each day. I went to San Fransisco one year and Long Beach the next (or maybe it was the other way around). It was probably around 2002 - 2004. I wish I could be there to snub you all, although probably by the time many of you read this, you'll be on your way home. Somebody snub Tom Conley for me. Thanks, Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Richards, Robert B. robert.richa...@opm.gov Steve, I've seen you before. You smile too much and that disarms folks! :-) You could have worn a badge with Ed. G on itthat may have helped. g,dr Bob -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: RIP snubbing
Just a general comment on telling people to stop a thread. I agree this thread should be stopped, and if Darren were monitoring the list like he used to, I'm sure he would have piped up by now or disabled someones ID. Many many threads in the past where people complain just seem to start new threads, like this one. My advice, don't say anything. Threads like this one might die faster that way. And yes, I'm guilty of extending this thread too. Oh well - Share is done and the snubbing will have to be continued again in 6 months! Maybe by then I will have a job and be able to come. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Dumb Question - Credit Card Number Scanner
And if they do all this, I have a bridge I'll sell you. My daughter lives in Brooklyn, so she will be my agent. Eric - Original Message - From: Martin Kline martin.kl...@yrcw.com Easy. Offer to do the following: Start with the first byte on the first disk. Convert it and the following 0-n bytes to decimal numbers. Put that number in your list of suspiscious numbers. Also unpack the same bytes to create a second set of potential numbers. Also keep the 16 byte sequence as a suspiscious number. Procede to the next byte on the disk. Repeat for the entire disk. Then repeat for all disks. Then repeat this process for every tape. You will now have a list of potentially suspiscious numbers which consumes more space than all of the disks and tapes in your shop, probably by a factor of at least 10. Print the list and send it to the requester. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit
I resisted the urge to reply to this when the thread started 4 hours ago, but at the risk of being reprimanded, I'll reply. I remember my first job working for a company with a 360/40 computer in 1969. I was an operator for 2 years on 3rd shift. Sometimes I got done at 5 or 6 in the morning, so I would play with all the neat switches and stuff on the front panel. A couple of times, the machine wouldn't IPL, at least not the first time. Then, I'd putz with the switches, and try different things, and finally get the machine IPL'd. Back then, DOS IPL'd in just a few seconds. I typed in the date and time, and it was ready to go. I remember the machine was quite touchy. I turned it off any time between 9 and 12 noon on Saturday when I went home for the weekend. I remember coming in for some special processing on Sunday, and it wouldn't IPL. When IBM came in, they opened one or two of the panels, and then it IPL'd fine. The CE said he didn't do anything but open the gate. I remember a 1403 control unit where the CE pounded on it with a big hard rubber mallet, and then it started working again. Very interesting stuff back then. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com i got a student programming job in '66 ... was re-implementing 1401 MPIO (unit record-tape) front-end for 709 ... on 360/30. possibly just a learning exercise starting to have people getting familiar with 360 and getting ready for the 360/67 that was coming in (to replace the 709/1401 combo). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: OT - IBM Takes First Close-Up Image of Single Molecule
Thanks Lizette. That is very interesting. I'm sure any techknowlogy utilizing these pictures is at least 5 years out, although thats just a guess on my part. I assume if they can design storage that stores bits of data on the atomic level, that we would have a HUGE increase in the density of dasd. Also memory. It amazes me to no end that right now I can buy a 1TB hard drive for my PC for under $90. When we shut down the datacenter 3 years ago, we had a Hitachi box that was about 3 feet square and 6 feet tall. It held 1TB also. But then, 10 years earlier(1995), when we built the datacenter with real 3380's and 3390's, there wasn't much more we could have put in the datacenter. When we moved out, before we took all the equipment out, we could have set up a good size ballroom where all the dasd and the 3090 S600 was. Actually, we could have gotten a 100 MIP processer, as the first IBM air cooled processor had just come out, but my boss didn't want to take for granted that IBM would actually have any ready at that time. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 2:54 PM Subject: OT - IBM Takes First Close-Up Image of Single Molecule For the Geeks on this list - You know who you are. This relates to circuit boards of the future. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,545138,00.html As part of a greater effort to someday build computing elements at an atomic scale, IBM scientists in Zurich have taken the highest-resolution image ever of an individual molecule using non-contact atomic force microscopy. Performed in an ultrahigh vacuum at 5 degrees Kelvin, scientists were able to to look through the electron cloud and see the atomic backbone of an individual molecule for the first time, a feat necessary for the further development of atomic scale electronic building blocks. Atomic force microscopy employs a cantilever so small that its tip tapers to a nanoscale point. As the microscope scans, the cantilever bounces up and down in response to the miniscule forces between the tip and the sample, generating a picture of the sample’s surface. The pentacene molecule sampled consists of 22 carbon atoms and 14 hydrogen atoms and measures 1.4 nanometers in length, with the space between carbon atoms registering at 0.14 nanometers, or half a million times smaller than the diameter of a human hair. The image should help researchers determine how charge moves through molecules and networks of molecules, which in turn could lead to breakthroughs in building computing elements at the atomic scale. As circuits grow smaller, it becomes harder and harder to break the sub-10-nanometer scale, a benchmark that several research groups are trying to reach. Breakthroughs in circuit board and semiconductor technology involving self-assembling DNA promise to deliver infinitesimally smaller circuits, but reaching atomic-scale computing has thus far eluded researchers. Understanding the charge distribution of molecules could bring scientists a large step closer to cracking atomic scale computing, which could vastly reduce power consumption and fabrication costs. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
