Re: CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe?

2008-09-06 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]@sbcglobal.net, on 09/04/2008 at 09:57 AM, Ron Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: rant on Isn't it about time the ISMF developers realized that Mod 4 is not the limit to the number of lines on a screen! G... rant off Especially since IBM has had ISPF support for 62 line

Re: CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe?

2008-09-06 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/04/2008 at 07:04 PM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Well, as unaccustomed to hearing me praise MVS as readers of this list are, I have free choice between MVS and CMS. I rarely touch CMS: While I refer to CMS as Clumsy Monitor System, I've wanted a

Re: CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe?

2008-09-05 Thread Timothy Sipples
note that the first web server outside of europe was on the slac vm system True, although it's also true it was the first Web server anywhere outside CERN and anywhere outside Switzerland. So it's an even more impressive bit of history. Apparently someone(s) from SLAC attended a conference at

Re: CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe?

2008-09-05 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#59 CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#60 CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#61 CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#62 CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe? http

Re: CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe?

2008-09-05 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
aug76 http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare/ this predated (vm-based) bitnet and listserv computer conferencing. http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#bitnet re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#64 CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe? One of the procedures that I managed to get setup

Re: CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe?

2008-09-04 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:45:07 +0900, Timothy Sipples wrote: ... HTTP has been running on mainframes longer than on any other system with the sole exception of the defunct NeXT operating system. Really? That's surprising. -- Tom Marchant

Re: CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe?

2008-09-04 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 9/4/2008 7:35:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Really? That's surprising. Defunct but not forgotten? _http://lowendmac.com/orchard/05/next-computer-history.html_ (http://lowendmac.com/orchard/05/next-computer-history.html)

Re: CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe?

2008-09-04 Thread Hal Merritt
in corporateland. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 11:45 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe? I cannot think of any earthly (or even unearthly

Re: CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe?

2008-09-04 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 9/4/2008 8:43:40 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IE won't be so perfect under a '100% compliant' browser. That, I am told, is a key reason why Firefox et al is not widely accepted in corporateland. Part II was the IBMLINK question. Deal or No

Re: CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe?

2008-09-04 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy Sipples) writes: I cannot think of any earthly (or even unearthly) reason why Google Chrome would not already be 100% compatible with all the HTTP(S) implementations available on System z. It's a ubiquitous protocol, and HTTP has been running on mainframes longer than

Re: CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe?

2008-09-04 Thread Edward Jaffe
Hal Merritt wrote: Some that I think reasonably credible charge that IE does not implement things 100% 'correctly'. That means that code that works perfectly under IE won't be so perfect under a '100% compliant' browser. That, I am told, is a key reason why Firefox et al is not widely accepted

Re: CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe?

2008-09-04 Thread Martin Packer
Personally I think we should have put a lot more effort into TSO and ISPF. That's just a gut feeling... I can't give specifics. It's just knowing how good CMS is that makes me feel that way about TSO. (And given that a lot of my TSO usage is actually inside Batch I could see my Batch

Re: CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe?

2008-09-04 Thread Rob Scott
Of Martin Packer Sent: 04 September 2008 16:55 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe? Personally I think we should have put a lot more effort into TSO and ISPF. That's just a gut feeling... I can't give specifics. It's just knowing how good CMS is that makes me feel

Re: CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe?

2008-09-04 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 9/4/2008 11:03:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: using some sort of GUI interface - however what I have found is that the people using the software that I write get WAY more excited at the ISPF interface functions than the web/java stuff. Some

Re: CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe?

2008-09-04 Thread Ron Hawkins
! G... rant off Ron -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Scott Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 9:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe? We all know that the PHBs

Re: CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe?

2008-09-04 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#60 CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe? in the mid-70s there was an small advanced technology symposium held in POK ... the 801 group was there (i.e. risc, precursor to romp, rios, current power, etc) and we were there with a 16-way

Re: CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe?

2008-09-04 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
specifics. It's just knowing how good CMS is that makes me feel that way about TSO. (And given that a lot of my TSO usage is actually inside Batch I could see my Batch programming benefiting also.) re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#59 CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe? http

Re: CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe?

2008-09-04 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
and recovery software in the corporation's multiple operating systems. The new kernel would be common to all operating systems ... sharing common device support and recovery. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#59 CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#60 CHROME

Re: CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe?

2008-09-04 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:03:08 -0400, Rob Scott wrote: We all know that the PHBs are telling everyone that TSO and ISPF are dead and that we should all be using some sort of GUI interface - however what I have found is that the people using the software that I write get WAY more excited at the

CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe?

2008-09-03 Thread Ed Finnell
I's just wondering what the ramifications of _www.google.com_ (http://www.google.com) new browser 'Chrome' is having on M/F WEB apps. Guess I'm scared to try it on home PC due to click harvesting, but it's a brave new world Oh, how about ibmlink? **It's only a deal if

Re: CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe?

2008-09-03 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:52:53 EDT, Ed Finnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I's just wondering what the ramifications of _www.google.com_ (http://www.google.com) new browser 'Chrome' is having on M/F WEB apps. Guess I'm scared to try it on home PC due to click harvesting, but it's a brave new

Re: CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe?

2008-09-03 Thread Timothy Sipples
I cannot think of any earthly (or even unearthly) reason why Google Chrome would not already be 100% compatible with all the HTTP(S) implementations available on System z. It's a ubiquitous protocol, and HTTP has been running on mainframes longer than on any other system with the sole exception of