Re: Fw: COBOL and Floating Point (was: SHARE Session 8194: z390 and zcobol Portable Mainframe COBOL Compiler written in structured macro assembler

2009-01-10 Thread Clark Morris
On 9 Jan 2009 08:26:20 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: Clark, When you bring up Java, this confuses me. Currently IBM does all the required conversion for floating point items shared between COBOL and Java in a z/OS environment. Do you have real-world evidence that this does isn't

Re: COBOL and Floating Point (was: SHARE Session 8194: z390 and zcobol Portable Mainframe COBOL Compiler written in structured macro assembler

2009-01-09 Thread Clark Morris
On 7 Jan 2009 15:25:56 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: Clark, Easy answer, there have been no recent changes to IBM's responses on floating point (or bit) support. Harder answer is that you keep getting confused about different terms and requirements. In the '02 Standard there are

Fw: COBOL and Floating Point (was: SHARE Session 8194: z390 and zcobol Portable Mainframe COBOL Compiler written in structured macro assembler

2009-01-09 Thread Bill Klein
Clark, When you bring up Java, this confuses me. Currently IBM does all the required conversion for floating point items shared between COBOL and Java in a z/OS environment. Do you have real-world evidence that this does isn't working. *** As far as SHARE requirements go, Requirement

Re: SHARE Session 8194: z390 and zcobol Portable Mainframe COBOL Compiler written in structured macro assembler

2009-01-07 Thread Don Higgins
Hi Tim We've met at several of your COBOL SHARE sessions in the past, and I hope to see you in Austin. You are correct, zcobol first release will have FLOAT-SHORT, FLOAT-LONG, and FLOAT-EXTENDED usage options with global option to choose between HFP, BFP, or DFP with DFP as the default. Some

Re: SHARE Session 8194: z390 and zcobol Portable Mainframe COBOL Compiler written in structured macro assembler

2009-01-07 Thread Clark Morris
On 6 Jan 2009 13:09:50 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: for zcobol initial release at SHARE. It doesn't test things like EXEC CICS or Enterprise COBOL extensions such as EXTENDED-FLOAT, but it sure looks like There is no EXTENDED-FLOAT in Enterprise COBOL. There are floating-point

COBOL and Floating Point (was: SHARE Session 8194: z390 and zcobol Portable Mainframe COBOL Compiler written in structured macro assembler

2009-01-07 Thread Bill Klein
Clark, Easy answer, there have been no recent changes to IBM's responses on floating point (or bit) support. Harder answer is that you keep getting confused about different terms and requirements. In the '02 Standard there are 3 new USAGEs FLOAT-SHORT FLOAT-LONG FLOAT-EXTENDED IBM (or

Re: SHARE Session 8194: z390 and zcobol Portable Mainframe COBOL Compiler written in structured macro assembler

2009-01-06 Thread Tom Ross
for zcobol initial release at SHARE. It doesn't test things like EXEC CICS or Enterprise COBOL extensions such as EXTENDED-FLOAT, but it sure looks like There is no EXTENDED-FLOAT in Enterprise COBOL. There are floating-point data types, COMP-1, COMP-2, and external floating-point. There is a

Re: SHARE Session 8194: z390 and zcobol Portable Mainframe COBOL Compiler written in structured macro assembler

2009-01-03 Thread Don Higgins
John, all Well its flattering to think that IBM, Micro Focus, or Variant all of which have taken an interest in z390, might be interested in trying to buy rights to zcobol. But no offers so far. The plan is still to release zcobol as part of z390 under GPL in time for SHARE presentation on

Re: SHARE Session 8194: z390 and zcobol Portable Mainframe COBOL Compiler written in structured macro assembler

2009-01-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 495e03bc026d00062...@sinclair.provo.novell.com, on 01/02/2009 at 10:08 AM, Mark Post mp...@novell.com said: Probably not true, assuming the two developers are the only ones who have contributed to the package, and they agree on selling the rights to it. Once they've distributed the

Re: SHARE Session 8194: z390 and zcobol Portable Mainframe COBOL Compiler written in structured macro assembler

2009-01-02 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tony Harminc [ snip ] My wild guess is that if zcobol looks like a real threat, IBM will just buy it. And maybe that wouldn't be such a bad thing from its developer's point of view... But zcobol is touted as

Re: SHARE Session 8194: z390 and zcobol Portable Mainframe COBOL Compiler written in structured macro assembler

2009-01-02 Thread Mark Post
On 1/2/2009 at 7:44 AM, Chase, John jch...@ussco.com wrote: -snip- But zcobol is touted as open source. If it is licensed in the way Linux is licensed, then IBM couldn't buy it any more than they can buy Linux. Probably not true, assuming the two developers are the only ones who have

Re: SHARE Session 8194: z390 and zcobol Portable Mainframe COBOL Compiler written in structured macro assembler

2009-01-02 Thread John McKown
On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:08:28 -0700, Mark Post mp...@novell.com wrote: On 1/2/2009 at 7:44 AM, Chase, John jch...@ussco.com wrote: -snip- But zcobol is touted as open source. If it is licensed in the way Linux is licensed, then IBM couldn't buy it any more than they can buy Linux. Probably

Re: SHARE Session 8194: z390 and zcobol Portable Mainframe COBOL Compiler written in structured macro assembler

2009-01-01 Thread Don Higgins
Does this mean that it might be possible to use zcobol to compile some of our current z/OS COBOL programs into Java classes and run them on a zAAP? 3. C++ for Windows platforms 4. HLA/MASM assembler for Intel platforms John Yes, the zcobol framework provides for alternate code generation

Re: SHARE Session 8194: z390 and zcobol Portable Mainframe COBOL Compiler written in structured macro assembler

2009-01-01 Thread Don Higgins
All of the specialty engines types except zAAP have technological and contractual means of restricting their use to the IBM-desired new workloads. But an engine that runs Java by design in order to attract new work (hopefully from Sun or HP boxes) can't really look at your JVM bytecodes and say

Re: SHARE Session 8194: z390 and zcobol Portable Mainframe COBOL Compiler written in structured macro assembler

2009-01-01 Thread Kirk Wolf
A commercial Cobol compiler that targets Java byte codes have been available for a long time: http://www.legacyj.com/lgcyj_perc1.html As far as I can tell, it runs as pure Java byte codes and on z/OS and would therefore take advantage of zAAP. But, one should contact the company for details.

SHARE Session 8194: z390 and zcobol Portable Mainframe COBOL Compiler written in structured macro assembler

2009-01-01 Thread Bill Klein
The last that I heard (which was quite a while ago) if you tried using that product on z/OS, it could work with line sequential (HFS) files but *NOT* with normal QSAM files (and I am not even certain about VSAM KSDS or RRDS files). Kirk Wolf k...@dovetail.com wrote in message

Re: SHARE Session 8194: z390 and zcobol Portable Mainframe COBOL Compiler written in structured macro assembler

2008-12-31 Thread John McKown
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:16:25 -0600, Don Higgins d...@higgins.net wrote: Here is something new and something old for 2009. Come to SHARE session 8194 in Austin TX on March 3, 2009 at 8 AM for the first live demonstration of zcobol portable mainframe COBOL compiler which is written in z390

Re: SHARE Session 8194: z390 and zcobol Portable Mainframe COBOL Compiler written in structured macro assembler

2008-12-31 Thread Tony Harminc
2008/12/31 John McKown joa...@swbell.net: On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:16:25 -0600, Don Higgins d...@higgins.net wrote: Here is something new and something old for 2009. Come to SHARE session 8194 in Austin TX on March 3, 2009 at 8 AM for the first live demonstration of zcobol portable mainframe

SHARE Session 8194: z390 and zcobol Portable Mainframe COBOL Compiler written in structured macro assembler

2008-12-30 Thread Don Higgins
Here is something new and something old for 2009. Come to SHARE session 8194 in Austin TX on March 3, 2009 at 8 AM for the first live demonstration of zcobol portable mainframe COBOL compiler which is written in z390 structured conditional macro assembler. zcobol supports multiple dialects of