Re: Phased Maintenance

2012-09-06 Thread ibmmain
I understand that IBM provides a multi-release co-existence support policy for z/OS and other ServerPac products, which very adequately covers much of our IBM inventory, and that IBM will fix any problems discovered. But, have you actually encountered any problems caused by co-execution of

Re: Another stupid idea spawned by the zEC12.

2012-09-06 Thread Timothy Sipples1
IBM's Jeff Frey has already alluded to the fact that there's more function in the pipeline for Flash Express, like (probably) large in-memory DB2 databases. If you've got ideas, particularly of the I'll sign up to buy some/more if you implement this variety, send them through the official

Re: CSI - Catalog Search Interface

2012-09-06 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Lizette Koehler wrote: CSIFLD2 = SUBSTR('HARBA',1,4) /* INIT FIELD 2 FOR Used HARBA */ Should 4 not be 8? However, the data is not coming back the way I want. Any suggestions? What are the RC and reason codes and Module Id upon return? Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht

Re: Phased Maintenance

2012-09-06 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
There is absolutely no need to implement changes in 1 big bang IPL on all your systems. We do it phased as long as I work here (which is very long). When we had 2 production LPARs we usually did it with 1 week in between, but during z/OS upgrades, both levels ran together perfectly for weeks. IBM

Re: IPL Probelm.

2012-09-06 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
As Gadi said, the problem occurs after these messages. Did you check for a waitstate? Kees. Mehrshad Manshadi m_mansh...@yahoo.com wrote in message news:1346908204.56278.yahoomail...@web125601.mail.ne1.yahoo.com... Hi, During IPL the system the last message which appear on the console is as

Re: Blades versus z was Re: Turn Off Another Light - Univ. of Tennessee

2012-09-06 Thread R.S.
To make long story short: IFL can be cost effective because of ISV licenses. Linux is (in theory) free, but Oracle and other are not. Assuming free software only it's very hard to justify spendings on IFL. BTW: Licensing models do change. How can one be sure that Oracle will keep the model

Re: IPL Probelm.

2012-09-06 Thread Anthony Thompson
As Gadi said, these are the last messages you will see while in NIP. Seems to me that the system has transferred control to a console somewhere else. I think you need to put the hardware console into problem determination mode to see any post-NIP messages V CN(*),ACTIVATE Ant. Northern

Re: IPL Probelm.

2012-09-06 Thread Mehrshad Manshadi
We disconnected all 2074 consoles from the machine and IPLed it from HMC but the same problem happened . I did V CN(*),activate but there is no response from the machine. Best regards Manshadi   From: Anthony Thompson anthony.thomp...@nt.gov.au To:

Re: IPL Probelm.

2012-09-06 Thread Mehrshad Manshadi
Whenever we made console 720(Master) and 721(alternate) console after switching phase three line appear in alternate console and after that the system hanged. TIOT SIZE = 0032K, MAXIMUM SINGLE UNIT DD ENTRIES = 1635 MSTJCL00 JCL is starting  At  MSTJCL00 starting step the system will

Re: IPL Probelm.

2012-09-06 Thread Mehrshad Manshadi
What do you mean Did you check for a waitstate? ? please explain more.  From: Vernooij, CP - SPLXM kees.verno...@klm.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 11:34 AM Subject: Re: IPL Probelm. As Gadi said, the problem occurs after

Re: IPL Probelm.

2012-09-06 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Did you check if the machine entered a Waitstate? Kees. Mehrshad Manshadi m_mansh...@yahoo.com wrote in message news:1346919709.93592.yahoomail...@web125602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com... What do you mean Did you check for a waitstate? ? please explain more. 

Re: IPL Probelm.

2012-09-06 Thread Mehrshad Manshadi
from where i must check this state? More information : Whenever we IPL the system from the other CPU with same (parameter,console and same load address) everything is fine and the system work properly. because of that it seems that it is hardware problem somewhere.!!!???  

Re: IPL Probelm.

2012-09-06 Thread Mehrshad Manshadi
Ok thanks for your explanation.  From: J. Cassidy s...@jdcassidy.net To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 1:01 PM Subject: Re: IPL Probelm. If you do not know what a waitstate is you should not be near a Mainframe nor asking

Re: IPL Probelm.

2012-09-06 Thread Mehrshad Manshadi
There is an wait state on the system I will investigate that.  From: Mehrshad Manshadi m_mansh...@yahoo.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 1:06 PM Subject: Re: IPL Probelm. Ok thanks for your explanation. 

Re: IPL Probelm.

2012-09-06 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Not so much a hardware, but more an IOCDS or configuration problem. If you don't know what a waitstate is, ask you operators, they should know. Kees. Mehrshad Manshadi m_mansh...@yahoo.com wrote in message news:1346920441.4432.yahoomail...@web125602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com... from where i must

Re: IPL Probelm.

2012-09-06 Thread Gibney, Dave
What is the hardware? The wait state is in the PSW and you should be able to find it in the detail message on the HMC. What level/model HMC do you have? Given z/OS 1.6, I will guess relatively ancient :) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: IPL Probelm.

2012-09-06 Thread Mehrshad Manshadi
Thank you everybody to assist me. There is no wait state on the HMC. Let IBM investigate this problem. I sent the information to IBM. From: Gibney, Dave gib...@wsu.edu To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 1:37 PM Subject: Re: IPL Probelm. What is the hardware? The

SMP/E question

2012-09-06 Thread גדי בן אבי
Hi, I received a service tape from IBM containing a bit more than 700 ptfs. When I ran APPLY CHECK, I got the messages below. What would be the recommended procedure to resolve these errors? Thanks Gadi 1PAGE 0001 - NOW SET TO TARGET ZONE MVST100 DATE 09/06/12 TIME 13:12:16 SMP/E 36.07

Re: SMP/E question

2012-09-06 Thread Lizette Koehler
There are some things to check 1) Did you receive the latest HOLDDATA from IBM? 2) Did you verify the HOLDDARTA for these PTFs? I see in you BYPASS statement you include HOLDSYSTEM HOLDUSER. I usually use DOC, ACTION, IPL and a few others. This bypass statement you use

Re: IPL Probelm.

2012-09-06 Thread Lizette Koehler
When you have an issue at IPL time, you need to take a SAD (Stand Alone Dump) and then review the contents. A SAD will contain the CONSOLE messages and some other details to help isolate the problem. Also, on the HMC you should have a RED ICON flashing. If you do, then double click that and you

Re: SMP/E question

2012-09-06 Thread גדי בן אבי
Hi, I received the HOLDDATA from IBM. For example the first problem on the list is with PTF UA60617. I checked online, and it says that this PTF is from October 4th, 2011, and is still in error. Is there a way to find out if there is a fix for the fix? I will change my bypass statement. Gadi

ADDRESS LINKMVS - +IRX0250E System abend code 047, reason code 00000000

2012-09-06 Thread Kenneth J. Kripke
Cut and Paste from the manuals: z/OS V1R12.0 TSO/E REXX Reference SA22-7790-09 . Linking to and attaching programs You can use the LINK, LINKMVS, and LINKPGM host command environments to link to unauthorized programs. For example: ADDRESS LINK program p1 p2

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-06 Thread Lloyd Fuller
- Original Message From: zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wed, September 5, 2012 5:17:37 PM Subject: Re: zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing. On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+...@patriot.net

Re: SMP/E question

2012-09-06 Thread Lizette Koehler
There is a detailed report in your SMP/E output that will tell you why a PTF did not go on. Then you have to see why. Sometimes PTFs take a long time to resolve. In your SMP/E output look for Bypassed HOLD Reason Report. This will help you with why the fix was bypassed and what you need to do

Re: SMP/E question

2012-09-06 Thread גדי בן אבי
I ordered service for all my installed products (or at least the ones installed in the z/OS CSI). I ordered the service the ShopzSeries. I specified: Recommended (RSU) service for all installed products Recommended service through RSU1207, plus the latest critical service Eliminate supersedes:

RES: PDSE Fragmentation

2012-09-06 Thread ITURIEL DO NASCIMENTO NETO
Lizette, Thanks for your feedback. I'll check it out. Atenciosamente / Regards / Saludos Ituriel do Nascimento Neto BANCO BRADESCO S.A. 4254 / DPCD Engenharia de Software Sistemas Operacionais Mainframes Tel: +55 11 3684-2177 R: 42177 3-1402 Fax: +55 11 4197-2814 -Mensagem original-

Re: SMP/E question

2012-09-06 Thread Walter Marguccio
From: גדי בן אבי gad...@malam.com Subject: SMP/E question What would be the recommended procedure to resolve these errors? Gadi, there is no procedure to resolve the errors you see. If you receive the most current HOLDDATA from IBM and you receive them along with the 700 PTFs, there is

Re: another DCOLLECT question

2012-09-06 Thread Uriel Carrasquilla
David, thank you. The UMCLASS provides the DFSMSHSM management class. But how do I go from having that information to providing a report with the dataset name, creation date and expiration date? where do I get the expiration date once I have the management class in a manner that I can write a

Re: another DCOLLECT question

2012-09-06 Thread Mike Schwab
In the Management class, there is one field that says to delete so many days after creation, and another field that says to delete so many days after the last access. Zero means don't apply this rule. On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Uriel Carrasquilla uriel.carrasqui...@mail.mcgill.ca wrote:

Re: another DCOLLECT question

2012-09-06 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
And on top of that there is the LIMIT parameter of a GDG, that can cause a delete of a GDG member on a totally unpredictable moment. Kees. Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote in message news:CAJTOO58m6b3Qax7+9zA3Tp7P-4mvixp_YQsBvVEpqb=c2k-...@mail.gmail.com ... In the Management class,

Re: another DCOLLECT question

2012-09-06 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
And on top of that there is the LIMIT parameter of a GDG, that can cause a delete of a GDG member on a totally unpredictable moment. Or I'd rather say: on yet another predetermined moment, not calculable from DCOLLECT data. Kees. Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote in message

IARV64 GETSTOR with SEGMENTS=GUARDSIZE

2012-09-06 Thread Binyamin Dissen
Well, I guess that the manual documents GUARD SIZE must not be larger than the size of the memory object. but I would think that if the call does not acquire any storage, i.e., the entirety of the memory object is the guard, that there should be some kind of abend or return code. (somebody

Re: IPL Probelm.

2012-09-06 Thread Roberto Halais
Nice John. Very understanding of you. On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 4:31 AM, J. Cassidy s...@jdcassidy.net wrote: If you do not know what a waitstate is you should not be near a Mainframe nor asking questions in this forum. = What do you mean Did you check for a waitstate? ? please explain more.

Re: IPL Probelm.

2012-09-06 Thread McKown, John
I will disagree with this statement, slightly. Such a person has not been sufficiently trained in z/OS. And should not have been made responsible for as much as he has. But many companies today seem to assume that if they give you a job, say moving you from Windows to z/OS, then you

Re: IPL Probelm.

2012-09-06 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Sorry Not nice at all. If you don't want to help or you can't t is o.k., but who can ask questions and how appropriate this questions are, it should be open to everybody. On 06.09.2012 14:22, Roberto Halais wrote: Nice John. Very understanding of you. On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 4:31 AM, J.

Re: IPL Probelm.

2012-09-06 Thread Paolo Cacciari
Mehrshad, so, if I undertood correctly, you don't have any HW message nor any system messages on whatever console While your system is hung what's its status on HMC console??? Has your system some parallel channel ?? Hi. Paolo Cacciari IBM BCRS Senior IT Specialist - Certified

Re: IPL Probelm.

2012-09-06 Thread McKown, John
What is the relative CPU power between the system which failed and the one which worked? I ask because we have a sandbox system here which is hard capped to 1 MSU on a z9BC. It gets stuck in _exactly_ the same place, with no messages, for over 5 minutes when we IPL it. We've learned to just be

Re: another DCOLLECT question

2012-09-06 Thread Mike Schwab
If you look at all members of a GDG, and they are created on a reasonable schedule (once a week or day, etc.), you can predict the lifetime of the members. On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM kees.verno...@klm.com wrote: And on top of that there is the LIMIT parameter of a GDG,

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-06 Thread zMan
AT/370. On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 2:07 AM, Leopold Strauss leopold.stra...@isis-papyrus.com wrote: Yes. It was a microprogrammed motorola-68000-chip, which was used. Name was similar to PC/370, but I am not sure about that. Many years ago the company, where I was employeed at that tim, had

Re: SMP/E question

2012-09-06 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 6 Sep 2012 13:31:34 +0300, גדי בן אבי wrote: I received a service tape from IBM containing a bit more than 700 ptfs. When I ran APPLY CHECK, I got the messages below. What would be the recommended procedure to resolve these errors? This is normal. Any time you apply maintenance, there

Re: another DCOLLECT question

2012-09-06 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Indeed predict, not calculate, like the days-not-used is at most predictable. Only days-old is calculable. Kees. Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote in message news:CAJTOO58nxMQxi6kSFkELOQFwtjk=wkorjtfjepk20xa5cch...@mail.gmail.com ... If you look at all members of a GDG, and they are

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-06 Thread Lloyd Fuller
There were two: the PC/370 and the AT/370. I am not sure that many PC/370s got distributed as they were real SLOW. My old company had both for awhile. Lloyd - Original Message From: zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Thu, September 6, 2012 8:54:25 AM

Re: IPL Probelm.

2012-09-06 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
I agree with John C. He is undertaking dangerous actions and we should not help him push more buttons of which we and he cannot oversee the consequences, but rather persuade him to consult someone with knowledge. What would you say if you were to help someone standing with a handgranate in a

Re: Phased Maintenance

2012-09-06 Thread Staller, Allan
I concur with Barbara. Given ordinary due diligence, there should be no issues w/IBM software. In all of the 20+ years I have been in this business, I can recall 1 instance where the compat support was compromised and that wasn't fatal, just a nuisance. BTW, at one large former employer (44

Processor Polarization

2012-09-06 Thread גדי בן אבי
Hi, Is CA-SYSVIEW, if I use the PARTINFO command I get information about the LPAR’s in my system. Some of the fields describe processor polarization. Does anyone know what this means? Where can I find more information about processor polarization? Thanks Gadi

Re: Preventing the installation of unapproved software

2012-09-06 Thread Jeff Holst
On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 10:50:25 -0500, Greg Dorner gdor...@wpsic.com wrote: Will you pass these 'rants and expletives' to these auditors? :-D I will be passing them on to my manager. We are talking Federal auditors and billion dollar government contracts, so, no, I won't be telling the auditors

Re: IPL Probelm.

2012-09-06 Thread J. Cassidy
Nothing personal to the OP but that poor person has been put in charge of something in which he is out of his depth. What management decision led to this? Again, the stench of short-sighted greed reaches my nostrils. RBOS and CA-7. = I agree with John C. = He is undertaking dangerous

Re: SMP/E question

2012-09-06 Thread Staller, Allan
1) Run apply check with no holds bypassed 2) Add bypass(holdsys(,) for each 'SYSTEM HOLD' encountered. Rerun apply check. Wash rinse repeat until all system holds are resolved. 3) for each message GIM35901IERROR HOLD xxx WAS NOT RESOLVED. Go to

Anyone know how to copy a PDS directory as a flat file?

2012-09-06 Thread Charles Mills
I want to make a PS (flat file) copy of the series of 256-byte blocks of a PDS directory. (I want to copy the data to another platform so I can test some code with it more readily.) I tried //GENEREXEC PGM=IEBGENER //SYSUT1 DD

Re: Anyone know how to copy a PDS directory as a flat file?

2012-09-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
Specify LRECL On Thu, 6 Sep 2012 06:28:42 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: I want to make a PS (flat file) copy of the series of 256-byte blocks of a PDS directory. (I want to copy the data to another platform so I can test some code with it more readily.) I tried //GENEREXEC PGM=IEBGENER

Re: Processor Polarization

2012-09-06 Thread Rob Scott
This is a feature of hiperdispatch and the z10 processors. Here is a quick link for an easy to read explanation : http://idcp.marist.edu/pdfs/ztidbitz/28%20zTidBits%20(HiperDispatch).pdf Rob Scott Lead Developer Rocket Software 77 Fourth Avenue . Suite 100 . Waltham . MA 02451-1468 . USA Tel:

Re: Anyone know how to copy a PDS directory as a flat file?

2012-09-06 Thread Lizette Koehler
Charles, If I recall when writing an Assembler Program for a STOW macro there were some pointers on how to dump a PDS Directory. And I think there may be information in the ISPF Manuals as well. Though I think you are better served by doing this with an assembler program. Also, remember IBM

Re: IPL Probelm.

2012-09-06 Thread Scott Ford
Yep, I totally agree with John McKown. Z/os is a complex beast with many components , hardware and software. A support person just can't be thrown into this situation unless the know what is going on or trained correctly. Scott ford www.identityforge.com On Sep 6, 2012, at 8:29 AM, McKown,

Re: Anyone know how to copy a PDS directory as a flat file?

2012-09-06 Thread Scott Ford
Charles, You can create the file using IEFBR14 ...haven't tried to copy a directory to it ... Scott ford www.identityforge.com On Sep 6, 2012, at 9:28 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: I want to make a PS (flat file) copy of the series of 256-byte blocks of a PDS directory. (I want

Re: Anyone know how to copy a PDS directory as a flat file?

2012-09-06 Thread John Gilmore
Lizette's point that IBM can change the information in a PDS directory without notice is of course generically correct That conceded, such changes have been infrequent for many years; and the functional stabilization of PDS support that came about with the introduction of PDSEs makes further such

Re: Phased Maintenance

2012-09-06 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Yes, Scott? Kees. Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote in message news:31c46c10-8c4a-479d-b199-b6f6a533c...@yahoo.com... Kees Scott ford www.identityforge.com On Sep 6, 2012, at 3:02 AM, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM kees.verno...@klm.com wrote: There is absolutely no need to implement

ASVTMAXU goes beyond end of ASVT vector table

2012-09-06 Thread Micheal Butz
Hi, I am scanning the ASVT vector going through all active address spaces for a length of ASVTMAXU seems that ASVTMAXU is greater than number Of ASCB(s) in the vector table Thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe /

Re: Phased Maintenance

2012-09-06 Thread Doug Henry
On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 23:41:53 -0500, Dennis Schaffer dennis.schaf...@gmail.com wrote: Its been four years since my esteemed colleague, Robert, asked this question about phased maintenance. He wanted to understand the experiences of those of you who implement maintenance and new releases within

Re: Phased Maintenance

2012-09-06 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Sure. And it compromises the availability of your sysplexed subsystems, through wich you can easily IPL one system without impact on the availability for the user. That's one thing Sysplex was advertised for: take out one system without the user noticing it and IPL the new software. Kees. Scott

Re: ASVTMAXU goes beyond end of ASVT vector table

2012-09-06 Thread Rob Scott
The ASVT entries include free and non-reusable entries as well as active address spaces Rob Scott Lead Developer Rocket Software 77 Fourth Avenue . Suite 100 . Waltham . MA 02451-1468 . USA Tel: +1.781.684.2305 Email: rsc...@rs.com Web: www.rocketsoftware.com -Original Message- From:

Re: Anyone know how to copy a PDS directory as a flat file?

2012-09-06 Thread Bill Fairchild
Assuming you have the authority to do so, superzap the F1 DSCB for your source PDS so that its DSORG is PS instead of PO. Then do your IEBGENER. Then zap the F1 back to PO. It might work. I have never tried this myself. Bill Fairchild Programmer Rocket Software 408 Chamberlain Park Lane *

Re: Anyone know how to copy a PDS directory as a flat file?

2012-09-06 Thread John P Kalinich
There are also software vendors that can change the information in a PDS directory without notice. PDSMAN and Endevor come to mind. Regards, John K John Gilmore of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu wrote on 09/06/2012 08:56:31 AM: Lizette's point that IBM can change

Re: ASVTMAXU goes beyond end of ASVT vector table

2012-09-06 Thread John Gilmore
Look in the Initialization and Tuning Guide for your z/OS release. You need to disentangle the MAXUSER=, RSVSTRT=, and RSVNONR= values that are specified in IEASYSxx. --jg On 9/6/12, Rob Scott rsc...@rocketsoftware.com wrote: The ASVT entries include free and non-reusable entries as well as

Re: ASVTMAXU goes beyond end of ASVT vector table

2012-09-06 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 6 Sep 2012 09:59:34 -0400, Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net wrote: I am scanning the ASVT vector going through all active address spaces for a length of ASVTMAXU seems that ASVTMAXU is greater than number Of ASCB(s) in the vector table Good for you! :-) Is there a

Re: Anyone know how to copy a PDS directory as a flat file?

2012-09-06 Thread Webster, Chris
This should work for you. //GENEREXEC PGM=IEBGENER //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSUT1 DD DSN=MY.CLIST,DISP=SHR,RECFM=FB,DSORG=PS, // LRECL=256,BLKSIZE=256 //SYSUT2 DD

Re: Anyone know how to copy a PDS directory as a flat file?

2012-09-06 Thread John Gilmore
The content of a PDS directory can of course change. How not? My points were two: 1) that it has been a very long time since changes in a mapping DSECT for a PDS directory block were required, and 2) that such changes are now highly unlikely. (Neither PDSMAN nor Endevor makes use of new or

UNABLE TO DO A FULL VOLUME RESTORE - DFDSS

2012-09-06 Thread John Dawes
G'Day,   I am trying to perform a full volume restore of a SMS volume to a spare volume which is not SMS managed.  I am encountering a problem and tried several things: The output volume has a different VOLSER.  The reason for this is that I want to ensure that the tape which is being used to

Re: Anyone know how to copy a PDS directory as a flat file?

2012-09-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 6 Sep 2012 14:14:43 +, Bill Fairchild wrote: Assuming you have the authority to do so, superzap the F1 DSCB for your source PDS so that its DSORG is PS instead of PO. Then do your IEBGENER. Then zap the F1 back to PO. It might work. I have never tried this myself. Perhaps you

Re: UNABLE TO DO A FULL VOLUME RESTORE - DFDSS

2012-09-06 Thread Thomas Conley
On 9/6/2012 10:43 AM, John Dawes wrote: G'Day, I am trying to perform a full volume restore of a SMS volume to a spare volume which is not SMS managed. I am encountering a problem and tried several things: The output volume has a different VOLSER. The reason for this is that I want to

Re: Anyone know how to copy a PDS directory as a flat file?

2012-09-06 Thread Kirk Wolf
I'm certain that you can read a PDS directory by specifying a DD with DSORG=PS,RECFM=F,LRECL=256,BLKSIZE=256. But don't PDS directory blocks have keys on disk? IEBGENER won't copy those - your target dataset will be regular DSORG=PS. Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com +1

Re: UNABLE TO DO A FULL VOLUME RESTORE - DFDSS

2012-09-06 Thread McKown, John
Are you trying to do a full volume restore, or a logical data set restore? Looks like the latter. In which case, as the messages indicate, you have not specified which data set names/pattern to restore. You'd need a DATASET(INCL(**)) to restore all the data sets. If you want to do a full volume

Re: another DCOLLECT question

2012-09-06 Thread Lizette Koehler
Please explain what you want to do. The MXG Software can make identifying the MGMTCLAS and other SMS components very easy. But I am not clear what you want to do with that data. In the MXG SOURCLIB dataset are CHAP Members. If you go into the library (Browse, Edit, VIEW) and enter on the

Hillgang Reminder

2012-09-06 Thread Neale Ferguson
A reminder that the next meeting of Hillgang (the DC/MD/NoVA z/VM and Linux User Group) will take place Wednesday September 12 at the CA Offices in Herndon. The agenda, logistics, and directions are posted at http://www.vm.ibm.com/events/HG091212.PDF Please follow the instructions in the brochure

Anyone know how to copy a PDS directory as a flat file?

2012-09-06 Thread Tony's office PC
I've used this simple method in the past //S1 EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01 //SYSTSPRT DD DSN=YOUR.OUTPUT.FILE,DISP=(NEW,CATLG,), etc etc etc //SYSTSIN DD * PROF NOPREFIX LISTDS 'YOUR.PDS' MEMBERS - Original Message - From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com Newsgroups:

Re: Anyone know how to copy a PDS directory as a flat file?

2012-09-06 Thread Lizette Koehler
Tony, That will list the members, I think Charles wants the hex data found in the directory itself. I am not sure there is an option on LISTD that will dump the HEX data of the directory itself. Lizette I've used this simple method in the past //S1 EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01 //SYSTSPRT

Re: Anyone know how to copy a PDS directory as a flat file?

2012-09-06 Thread John Gilmore
Chris Webster's JCL will do the job, and I like its restraint. The input BLKSIZE= is necessary and is specified. An output BLKSIZE= is inappropriate and is not specified. Moreover, while I have never myself encountered a PDS directory that filled even five 3390 crypto-cylinders, reference to

Re: UNABLE TO DO A FULL VOLUME RESTORE - DFDSS

2012-09-06 Thread John Dawes
Tom,   I tried that but I got the same error messages:   RESTORE FULL INDDNAME(TAPE1) OUTDDNAME(DASD1) PURGE -    BYPASSACS(**) -      NULLSTORCLAS  -      NULLMGMTCLAS  ADR101I (R/I)-RI01 (01),

Re: UNABLE TO DO A FULL VOLUME RESTORE - DFDSS

2012-09-06 Thread Jousma, David
I guess you better show us the JCL you used to do the backup/dump. _ Dave Jousma Assistant Vice President, Mainframe Services david.jou...@53.com 1830 East Paris, Grand Rapids, MI  49546 MD RSCB2H p 616.653.8429 f 616.653.2717

Re: UNABLE TO DO A FULL VOLUME RESTORE - DFDSS

2012-09-06 Thread Staller, Allan
Try RESTORE FULL INDDNAME(TAPE1) OUTDDNAME(DASD1) PURGE HTH, snip   RESTORE FULL INDDNAME(TAPE1) OUTDDNAME(DASD1) PURGE -    BYPASSACS(**) -    NULLSTORCLAS  -    NULLMGMTCLAS ADR101I (R/I)-RI01 (01), TASKID 001 HAS BEEN ASSIGNED TO COMMAND 'RESTORE ' ADR109I (R/I)-RI01 (01), 2012.250 11:22:44

Re: UNABLE TO DO A FULL VOLUME RESTORE - DFDSS

2012-09-06 Thread Lizette Koehler
Jophn, I do not think you can do it that way due to this message , REQUIRED (SUB)PARAMETER OF 'DATASET Did you try Restore Include(dsn(**)) - OUTDDNAME(DASD1) PURGE - BYPASSACS(**) - NULLSTORCLAS - And why use Purge? When you did the backup did you use DELETE at that point? Do you

Re: Anyone know how to copy a PDS directory as a flat file?

2012-09-06 Thread Tony's office PC
Yep, correct. I optimistically thought the OP was content with a member list. When I want all the detail I've used SAS PROC SOURCE. - Original Message - From: Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday,

Re: UNABLE TO DO A FULL VOLUME RESTORE - DFDSS

2012-09-06 Thread John Dawes
I am trying to do a full volume restore to a non-SMS volume.  The backup which was created is of a SMS managed volume.  I want to validate the backup which was made using DFDSS COPYDUMP.   From: McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com To:

Re: Anyone know how to copy a PDS directory as a flat file?

2012-09-06 Thread John Gilmore
Lizette is correct. There is/was no such option. There are a number of routines out there that provide what amount to formatted dumps of PDS directories. C's original post did, however, suggest that he needed a portable dataset, one he could take elsewhere, containing the contents of such a

Re: UNABLE TO DO A FULL VOLUME RESTORE - DFDSS

2012-09-06 Thread Gord Tomlin
You can only do a full volume restore from a full volume dump. Please verify that the dump was a full volume dump, not a data set dump, and let us know. -- Regards, Gord Tomlin Action Software International (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation) Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507

Re: Anyone know how to copy a PDS directory as a flat file?

2012-09-06 Thread Charles Mills
Ta-da! Thanks all. The below was sufficient. (And as a bonus, it didn't even hose up my original PDS!) Thanks all. //GENEREXEC PGM=IEBGENER //SYSUT1 DD DSN=MY.PDS,DISP=SHR,RECFM=F,DSORG=PS, // LRECL=256,BLKSIZE=256

Re: Anyone know how to copy a PDS directory as a flat file?

2012-09-06 Thread Charles Mills
Yes, I have done that in the past. I no longer own that code, so I am doing it again. C++ this time, FWIW. IBM could change anything at any time but I think the basic format of PDS directories is going to outlive most of us. FWIW it's documented in Using Datasets and there is no note that it is

Re: Anyone know how to copy a PDS directory as a flat file?

2012-09-06 Thread Charles Mills
But don't PDS directory blocks have keys on disk? I don't *think* so. In any event I just want something I can FTP to another box and that will behave like reading the first few blocks of a PDS with B/QSAM, so the keys don't matter to me. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-06 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
gahe...@gmail.com (George Henke) writes: I believe IBM produced a pc with a 370 to run VM on a PC. Merrill Lynch had one. Somewhere in the late 80's I believe. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#72 zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing 1984, xt/370 ...

Re: SMP/E question

2012-09-06 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In c11ded818b17214792b97fba28712bed15ef0a4...@jer-email1.jer.ad.malam.com, on 09/06/2012 at 01:31 PM, gad...@malam.com said: When I ran APPLY CHECK, I got the messages below. That's been normal for decades. What would be the recommended procedure to resolve these errors? Read the hold text

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, why? type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-06 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In caccgc5dh-2kebjfpnmt0apwdcjjaondevelz6wnufcla7og...@mail.gmail.com, on 09/06/2012 at 01:58 AM, George Henke gahe...@gmail.com said: I believe IBM produced a pc with a 370 to run VM on a PC. XT/370 and AT/370 used a 68000 with custom microcode and a second 68000 with standard microcode.

Re: Anyone know how to copy a PDS directory as a flat file?

2012-09-06 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In CAHm_n2=y0-wuhodm8q0cyfat2edh-u8mpco4jd0o_sdjc91...@mail.gmail.com, on 09/06/2012 at 10:05 AM, Kirk Wolf k...@dovetail.com said: But don't PDS directory blocks have keys on disk? Yes, but the OP asked for 256 bytes, suggesting that he doesn't need the keys and in fact is not prepared to

Re: Anyone know how to copy a PDS directory as a flat file?

2012-09-06 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 071a01cd8c33$88e2d440$9aa87cc0$@mcn.org, on 09/06/2012 at 06:28 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said: Anyone know how to accomplish this, short of writing an assembler program to do it? Write a PL/I or REXX program to read the directory. Assuming that you don't need the key, the DCB

Re: UNABLE TO DO A FULL VOLUME RESTORE - DFDSS

2012-09-06 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
John, I'm going to take your word that the original DUMP that you created the COPYDUMP from was a full volume dump. That being said, the BYPASSACS parameter you have in your RESTORE attempt is only valid for dataset level restores, not full restores. You will need to use a restore parameter

Re: UNABLE TO DO A FULL VOLUME RESTORE - DFDSS

2012-09-06 Thread John Dawes
The backup is a (physical) full volume dump and not a dataset bkup. From: Gord Tomlin gt.ibm.li...@actionsoftware.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, 6 September 2012 12:00 PM Subject: Re: UNABLE TO DO A FULL VOLUME RESTORE - DFDSS You can only do

Re: Anyone know how to copy a PDS directory as a flat file?

2012-09-06 Thread Charles Mills
Did you try IEBGENER with explicit DCB attributes? Did you read my preceding post? g Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 9:15 AM To:

Re: UNABLE TO DO A FULL VOLUME RESTORE - DFDSS

2012-09-06 Thread John Dawes
Rex.   I did the backup myself (used COPYDUMP) and it is from a full volume backup.  I used RESTORE FULL INDDNAME(TAPE1) OUTDDNAME(DASD1). I cannot put the original volume offline because these contain all our pds libs.  This is why I am trying the exercise of restoring the volume (physically)

Re: Processor Polarization

2012-09-06 Thread גדי בן אבי
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Re: Processor Polarization

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Re: Anyone know how to copy a PDS directory as a flat file?

2012-09-06 Thread Roberto Halais
If you are in tso 3.4 and looking at the pds directory and you issue: SAVE LIST you will get a sequential file with: USERID.LIST.MEMBERS IIRC On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 11:39 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: Lizette is correct. There is/was no such option. There are a number of

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