On 7/11/2013 10:10 AM, Don Poitras wrote:
In article 4212144266386912.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu you wrote:
On Wed, 6 Nov 2013 15:02:48 -0800, Frank Swarbrick wrote:
Does anyone actually run X-Windows on z/OS?? Seems to me GUI things such as the
Explorer tools, the Debug Tool (and
On 7/11/2013 2:32 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Wed, 6 Nov 2013 10:06:39 -0800, Jon Perryman wrote:
JCL not having loop capabilities has nothing to do with rewinding card readers.
*I* believe he was being facetious.
Yes! I do have a propensity for being flippant.
IIRC, Brooks regretted
I was wondering if there was
quad-word consistency as well?
I'm sure there is
I always insure that the primary counter
is in the first double word.
This is not necessary because of the quadword consistency.
Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design
It has taken me this long to mostly understand PLO... I must be slow.
Now that I understand it (mostly) I am pretty sure it will not work for me. My
problem is that a process comes in and removes the control block chain while
another process is suspended and attempting to update the chain. When
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Hello List,
Is there a way to remove the first column of data from a fixed record
without specifying the length of the data to be retained?
Several dozen files are generated several times a day, all have RECFM=FB and
various LRECLs.
Every record in
If your application is not designed to use PLO for serialization, it'll
definitely not work for you. I use PLO for serialization because of issues with
locks that you are describing (system affects) and many others. All my code can
run as SRBs but unlike what you describe I almost never acquire
Bth DFSORT and SYNCHSORT can do this for you. Concatenate
record(1,1) to record(2,*).
Combining this operation with a substantive sort would of course be
desirable. Invoking a sort to strip a leading blank is a little heavy
handed.
John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA
Alan,
Use the following JCL which will give you the desired results.
// SET IDSN='Your Input FB filename to copy with truncation'
//***
//* GET THE FILE DCB PROPERTIES USING LISTDS COMMAND*
On 11/06/2013 09:56 AM, Kirk Talman wrote:
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU wrote on
11/06/2013 10:32:09 AM:
From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com
The reverse logic of condition codes probably was intuitive to an
assembler or FORTRAN programmer who thought of
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Subject: Re: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers
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I share your celebration of the IF Statement;
Let me add another complains about JCL, it allows changing source code meaning
in run time and sometimes this is hairy:
//XXX DD DSN=
// DCB=(LRECL=80,R
//...
The above is legit although I would fire anybody who doed it. R could be
resolved to:
// EXEC YYY,R='BLKSIZE=8000)'
or it
grep stands for General Regular Expression
I had always thought it was:
Get Regular Expression and Print
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On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote:
grep stands for General Regular Expression
I had always thought
Ze'ev,
I work with a product that would prevent this type of thing from happening.
JCL that does not meet site requirements would never make it into production.
It can also optionally be prevented from being added to the production batch
schedule, if so desired.
Regards,
Mitch McCluhan,
And to throw another twist to this thread, some people say the LRECL and RECFM
should not be coded in the JCL. That way when a change is made to the program
source, that affects LRECL and/or RECFM, the corresponding JCL doesn't have to
be updated. What are some opinions about that
On 7 November 2013 09:33, Donald Likens dlik...@infosecinc.com wrote:
Now that I understand it (mostly) I am pretty sure it will not work for me.
My problem is that a process comes in and removes the control block chain
while another process is suspended and attempting to update the chain.
On Thu, 7 Nov 2013 10:06:14 -0600, Joel C. Ewing wrote:
I share your celebration of the IF Statement; although I have been bit
on one occasion by a non-intuitive behavior of IF statements as well:
the first EXEC in a JOB is always unconditionally executed no matter
what (which precludes using SET
On 11/7/2013 12:41 PM, Richard Pinion wrote:
And to throw another twist to this thread, some people say the LRECL
and RECFM should not be coded in the JCL. That way when a change is
made to the program source, that affects LRECL and/or RECFM, the
corresponding JCL doesn't have to be updated.
I don't think the etiology of an acronym matters much or for long.
COBOL is an acronym for Common Business Oriented Language, but who
cares.
Indeed, it is often better not to look under the hood/bonnet. Consider
GRS
Global Resource Serialization
Gamma Ray Spectrometer
Gender Reassignment
On 13Nov07:1701+, Ted MacNEIL wrote:
grep stands for General Regular Expression
I had always thought it was:
Get Regular Expression and Print
No, it means global, the ed command followed by a regular
expression and a command to perform upon the set of lines
matched by said regex; e.g.,
I've read that the true origin of grep is lost in the mists of time; I've
also seen Global [on a] Regular Expression [and] Print.
It may not be important on some level, but it's interesting and fun!
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote:
grep stands for General
On Thu, 7 Nov 2013 09:41:40 -0800, Richard Pinion wrote:
And to throw another twist to this thread, some people say the LRECL and RECFM
should not be coded in the JCL. That way when a change is made to the program
source, that affects LRECL and/or RECFM, the corresponding JCL doesn't have to
On 7 November 2013 12:41, Richard Pinion rpin...@netscape.com wrote:
And to throw another twist to this thread, some people say the LRECL and
RECFM should not be coded in the JCL. That way when a change is made to the
program source, that affects LRECL and/or RECFM, the corresponding JCL
Paul (et al):
As I have been alluding to, I work with a product that can do all of what has
been discussed here, or any flavor of it. It can be invoked in a variety of
ways, from direct calls, to part of an automated change management process, to
flagging JCL at submission time to error
Paul (et al):
Again, I have an answer for all of you. BTW, it is also available directly
from IBM.
Regards,
Mitch
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From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com
To: IBM-MAIN IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Thu, Nov 7, 2013 10:04 am
Subject: IF (was: Aging ...)
On
I think I figured out a solution:
DOX078 DS0H
*C IF LASTCB EQ 0 THEN
*C SET LASTCB= FIRSTCB = MSEGCB JUST BUILT
CDS R4,R2,FIRSTCB IF MSEGF MSEGL = 0, STM
On 4/25/2012 6:53 AM, McKown, John wrote:
I've tried finding about this using the -08 version of the Principles of
Operation.
I got a few hits, but nothing which described what it actually __does__.
I can guess from the phrase, but I'd like something documented.
The architecture is
Doing that would make the JCL poor (or apparently contradictory)
documentation. So I would hope the disagreement would be flagged somehow.
Cheers, Martin
Martin Packer,
zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator,
Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM
+44-7802-245-584
email:
On Thu, 7 Nov 2013 13:37:54 -0500, Tony Harminc wrote:
Taking that to the extreme one could say that nothing should be coded
on DD statements, i.e. that programs should deal with DSNAMEs rather
then the intermediary of DDNAMEs. Which is indeed how most non-z/OS
systems work.
In UNIX, I see the
If I understand your situation, then you are maintaining a queue. Today, you
are probably queuing in the reverse order using CS (LIFO). You want to
eliminate reversing the queue (FIFO) by using PLO to create the queue FIFO.
PLO is desgned to solve this problem. PLO doesn't care about the store
I don't see acronyms in different industries a problem. The ones that get me
are within IBM's own website. I can't remember specific's. More than once, I
read something that used a well known z/OS acronym. Very confusing until you
realize it's the same acronym but from a different area.
Jon
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:15 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote:
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Doctor in the Art of Spirit Detention?
Who you gonna call?
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On 11/7/2013 1:27 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
etc., etc., ad nauseam. Even the structured ones like BSAM and QSAM
can be problematic. One of my teenagers, making what she described as
a 'plausible inference' from the existence of this pair and that of
BDAM, asked me, with guile, about the
I refrained from doing that, confining myself to what others had
written several times. Once one decides to give one's own imagination
free range, . . .
O, that way madness lies; let me shun that;
No more of that.
John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA
About QDAM, I should perhaps have made it clearer that my student was
having me on.
John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA
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In
ofe01adb17.e9264150-on85257c1b.0044d053-85257c1b.00455...@us.ibm.com,
on 11/06/2013
at 07:37 AM, Peter Relson rel...@us.ibm.com said:
One of the shortcomings of PLO (unlike TBEGIN(C) ) is that PLO in
general serializes only against other uses of PLO.
I'd hardly label that as a shortcoming
In
off17b8bda.726774d6-on86257c1b.0052b967-86257c1b.0052c...@bluecrossmn.com,
on 11/06/2013
at 09:04 AM, Alan Field alan_c_fi...@bluecrossmn.com said:
Simply from option 6 I entered SMCOPY
That's equivalent to SMCOPY FROMSTREAM(TSOOUT) PRINT(A); why would you
expect it to work without Session
In 8296119609469576.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
11/06/2013
at 09:32 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
The reverse logic of condition codes probably was intuitive to
an assembler or FORTRAN programmer who thought of branching
around a statement.
This assembler
In 9693709159318087.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
11/06/2013
at 09:35 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
Is that separately priced?
SM was separately priced long ago in a galaxy far away; it's included
in TSO/E. You do, however, need a separate logon proc.
Does it
In
CAArMM9RJk=emmpr7mks0cmaooupudokrqtksc2mtwjhar0r...@mail.gmail.com,
on 11/06/2013
at 12:03 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net said:
It's surely TSO parse (IKJPARS) that hasn't been updated.
Shirley not. PARSE handles path names just fine. The problem is that
IBM decided to keep dsname and
In 4716870597662583.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
11/06/2013
at 11:47 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
Were we talking about that, or about the IDCAMS REPRO subcommand?
We were talking about the TSO REPRO command, which invokes IDCAMS. It
has nothing to do with the
In 6730883549051769.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
11/06/2013
at 09:45 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
What's a data set?
Anything that can be allocated to a ddname.
What's not a data set?
Anything else, e.g., an SM stream.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz,
In
29b16432403d6c45a9bee5f0302d19174a9...@vss-exchmb1.sfg.corp.LOCAL,
on 11/06/2013
at 06:06 PM, Pommier, Rex rpomm...@sfgmembers.com said:
It was a light-hearted comment. When I first started using MVS -
coming from a quasi-competitor - putting DD cards after the EXEC
card came across to me
In 1383756905.52974.yahoomail...@web181001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com, on
11/06/2013
at 08:55 AM, Jon Perryman jperr...@pacbell.net said:
I mostly used CL/Supersession so I don't know the specifics for
Session Manager.
Apples and oranges. The SM in TSO/E manages I/O for a single session.
It does not
In 7069148599028647.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
11/06/2013
at 12:16 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
But the (GNU, not POSIX) less is a facetious counterderivation from
(POSIX) more,
Water is wet. The point is that the Eunix g command names are
cryptic, as are
In 292913362407.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
11/06/2013
at 11:44 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
Past tense? Is it gone? STTL?
No. However, TSO Session Manager is oriented towards improving the
productivity of users invoking line mode applications, and these
In 0b8109c8.758a.485e.81bc.10286fa70...@aol.com, on 11/06/2013
at 12:21 PM, efinnell15 efinnel...@aol.com said:
Autodin
Predates ARPANET and MILNET.
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ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html
We don't care. We
In 9722190132556452.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
11/06/2013
at 12:22 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
But why didn't they follow the same direction naming library
macros?
No standards czar.
And why isn't STIMER named WAIT,
Why use the name WAIT for a macro that
In 20131106211556.79f3c24...@panix5.panix.com, on 11/06/2013
at 04:15 PM, Rich Greenberg ric...@panix.com said:
On the mass storage of the time (i.e. paper tape),
The mass storage of the time was magnetic strips, e.g., C.R.A.M,
noodle picker, R.A.C.E. For smaller files there were disks and
In 1383778968.24982.yahoomail...@web141706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com, on
11/06/2013
at 03:02 PM, Frank Swarbrick frank.swarbr...@yahoo.com said:
Does anyone actually run X-Windows on z/OS?
pedantNo./pedant
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ISO position; see
In 3096893122923586.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
11/06/2013
at 05:48 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
I was never acquainted with anything slower than the Teletype 33,
Even the lowly 28 ran at 75 baud. I suspect that Rich Greenberg was
seeing 60 wpm, not 60 cpm.
In 014f01cedb5e$ca0dbdb0$5e293910$@soundsoftware.us, on 11/06/2013
at 06:12 PM, Duffy Nightingale, SSPI du...@soundsoftware.us
said:
That sounds pretty cool. Is the mainframe server code you are
talking about applications or something else? Not to enrage the
assembler bigots on here, after
In 527b17ad.2060...@valley.net, on 11/06/2013
at 11:31 PM, Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net said:
The first interactive terminal I used was an IBM 1050, running at
145 bps
134.5?
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ISO position; see
On 7 Nov 2013 10:38:24 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
On 7 November 2013 12:41, Richard Pinion rpin...@netscape.com wrote:
And to throw another twist to this thread, some people say the LRECL and
RECFM should not be coded in the JCL. That way when a change is made to the
program
In 3903137801243154.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
11/07/2013
at 12:04 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
I suspect that IF piggybacks on the implementation of COND. If I
put on my mathematician's hat I can say that the behavior of COND
is logical (as opposed to
On Wed, 6 Nov 2013 16:51:03 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
What's a data set?
Anything that can be allocated to a ddname.
As I said, I have attempted to invoke that definition (pretty directly
from Using Data Sets) when IBM Tech Support has told me, But the
Ref says that DDNAME must
On 6 November 2013 16:30, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote:
Peter Relson rel...@us.ibm.com said:
One of the shortcomings of PLO (unlike TBEGIN(C) ) is that PLO in
general serializes only against other uses of PLO.
I'd hardly label that as a shortcoming of PLO.
This response feels like we're playing a game of Jeopardy (Alex, I'll take
datasets for $100). Did you actually contact IBM to ask them what is a
dataset?
Did it have something to do with specifying a Unix file name in a DSN
parameter? If so, then the answer is that not all datasets have a
On 2013-11-07 19:11, Jon Perryman wrote:
This response feels like we're playing a game of Jeopardy (Alex, I'll take
datasets for $100). Did you actually contact IBM to ask them what is a
dataset?
In other words, should I ask them whether the information in
Using Data Sets is correct?
Did
I am curious to know what things are on your list, regarding what you would
like to see in JCL (or it's replacement).
I'm guessing that almost everyone who has ever encountered JCL has at one time
or another thought to themselves There has got be a better way, I know that
idea has certainly
t...@harminc.net (Tony Harminc) writes:
It serializes happily against all the CS variations, TS, and the newer
interlocked-update instructions like ASI, LAA, and so on. And there
are cases where a simple ST or the like can interoperate usefully with
CS. For instance, if you update a counter
On Nov 8, 2013, at 12:01 AM, IBM-MAIN automatic digest system
lists...@listserv.ua.edu wrote:
In 20131106211556.79f3c24...@panix5.panix.com, on 11/06/2013
at 04:15 PM, Rich Greenberg ric...@panix.com said:
On the mass storage of the time (i.e. paper tape),
The mass storage of the
Not all datasets are created equal. E.g. DCB and VSAM don't work together. E.g.
IEBGENER doesn't support VSAM. I suspect that AMATERSE won't either. So the
answer is these dataset types are not supported by AMATERSE which truly is WAD.
UNIX or VSAM file support would be a new feature request
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