Thanks Steve. The program is currently written in COBOL. I was hoping I could
get to a storage area that I could examine after each read to determine if the
volumw has changes. I don't mind having an assembler called routine. However,
I'm the only one in my area that knows any assmebler.
On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 11:20:16 -0800, Ed Jaffe wrote:
>The 3584 has numbered SCSI element numbers for every slot, including
>those occupied by the drives themselves. Moving a tape from its current
>location in the library to the correct SCSI element effectively mounts
You want to change the date, like change February 5 to March 5?
You're not talking about the time zone and local time adjustment?
I'm surprised that USS and legacy MVS are getting dates from different places,
but anything is possible in the wonderful world of VM.
Charles
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linda.lst...@comcast.net (Linda) writes:
> I had an Apple ][ with an acoustic coupler. It auto dialed over a
> regular telco dial tone line using a program loaded from a cassette
> player, or if one could afford it, from an early floppy drive. The
> college I went to had a Univac 90/70d. The were
I apologize for totally missing the context of the question. I was thinking
recovery. We had the same problem when we installed new z12s in our brand-new
data center in 2013. We actually waited (months!) to get DWDM DASD mirroring in
operation so we could populate our DASD that way. It did not
On 4 Feb 2016 21:58:50 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
>I'd like to suggest an alternative recovery strategy. Once upon a time it made
>sense to devote a tape or two to standalone restore. We kept a couple of
>cartridges in a drawer just in case. Two problems evolved over time.
>
>1.
We mirror VTAPE, no DASD. We have a single DASD rescue system up. We
restore a volume with a catalog of our backup tapes. Then we restore
our non-sms system volumes using the catalog, init sms volumes for
logical restores. IPL with DR parmlib, restore data sets.
On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 8:51
At Sterling Software Storage Management Division, we used SMS in Irvine, CA
from around 1997-2001. The only concern was that they didn't consider our
work "production", even though that is where we created our distribution tapes.
Fortunately we were able to drive down there from San
I used cat/grep/awk because I saw it used so often by people in the
unix/linux team I used to work with. Maybe it was just a quirk of that
group, or like our JCL where once someone codes it everyone else copies it.
Bill Woodger wrote:
Tom,
I think if you use that cat to grep to awk as an
I was unable to find an exact answer to my question, but I found a number of
references that in general suggest possible lurking problems.
Introduction to Catalogs in manual z/OS DFSMS Managing Catalogs:
"To successfully perform all possible operations on a cataloged data set using
the
I like using lines, I like to be able to read the code.
SORT FIELDS=COPY
OMIT COND=(1,80,SS,EQ,C'ted03')
INREC PARSE=(%=(ENDBEFR=BLANKS,
FIXLEN=30,
STARTAT=NONBLANK,
STARTAFT=BLANKS),
%=(ENDBEFR=BLANKS,
On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 06:43:59 -0600, Bill Woodger wrote:
>the original "IBM PC-type" (although pre-dating the IBM PC) operating system
>from Microsoft.
There was no operating system from Microsoft that predated the IBM PC.
--
Tom Marchant
CP/M 86 was available but IBM couldn't get a license. They hired
Microsoft to write DOS and they bought QDOS to get started.
On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Bill Woodger wrote:
> Well, two things: Yes there were, and with several names, and I'd now only
> say possibly
We do the manual cartridge move from a slot to a tape drive on a regular basis.
Never tried the IPL part
Steve Finch
Recovery Point Systems
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On 2/5/2016 10:56 AM, Steve Finch wrote:
We do the manual cartridge move from a slot to a tape drive on a regular basis.
Never tried the IPL part
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Well, two things: Yes there were, and with several names, and I'd now only say
possibly MS-DOS. Although MS-DOS possibly/probably wouldn't have existed
without IBM; the much later appearance of the IBM PC in the UK than in the US
also influenced my typing, as there were any number of
On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 11:53:00 -0600, John McKown wrote:
>On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Tom Marchant <
>000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 06:43:59 -0600, Bill Woodger wrote:
>>
>> >the original "IBM PC-type" (although pre-dating the IBM PC) operating
On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 12:13 PM, Tom Marchant <
000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 11:53:00 -0600, John McKown wrote:
>
> >On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Tom Marchant <
> >000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 5 Feb 2016
On 2/5/2016 9:40 AM, Gibney, David Allen,Jr wrote:
Have your DS8xxx brought to your current location, hook it up and populate,
power down, disconnect and ship it to the new place
Haha! I didn't see the winking smiley ( ;-) ) but I assume it's there:
1. Purchase and install new FICON
One more point on standalone restore. IPLing from a tape volume basically
assumes that the tape is non-labelled. That is, the first record read is
expected to be a bootstrap record. If a tape has labels, the first load will
fail, but the tape will be positioned at the next block. So IPL again
On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Lester, Bob wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> Commodore 64 anyone? :-)
>
> Do you know what OS it ran?
>
Some variant of Microsoft BASIC, in ROM.
>
> Was the HW an x86? Motorola? Apple?
>
Motorola 8 bit 6510 CPU.
Apple ][ was
Have your DS8xxx brought to your current location, hook it up and populate,
power down, disconnect and ship it to the new place
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> On Behalf Of Skip Robinson
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2016 9:13
On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Tom Marchant <
000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 06:43:59 -0600, Bill Woodger wrote:
>
> >the original "IBM PC-type" (although pre-dating the IBM PC) operating
> system from Microsoft.
>
> There was no operating system
Hi,
I have had problems with Rocket Softwares CSL doing a Repro Mergecat when the
backward pointer was incorrect.
Sent from my iPhone
> On 5 Feb 2016, at 10:29, Peter Ten Eyck wrote:
>
> I was unable to find an exact answer to my question, but I found a number
awk can do everything itself. grep can take a (single) file as input. No
*nix-person is going to do cat of one file into grep and then into awk. cat of
two files would be good, (concatenation in the JCL) and that would be fine
input for grep, but then head, or tail, or something else like that.
On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Bill Woodger
wrote:
> awk can do everything itself. grep can take a (single) file as input. No
> *nix-person is going to do cat of one file into grep and then into awk. cat
> of two files would be good, (concatenation in the JCL) and that
On Thu, 4 Feb 2016 09:33:31 -0600, Peter Ten Eyck wrote:
>In z/OS 1.13 we have "usable" dataset (currently used by a CICS region) that
>has its
>VVDS entry pointing to a different user catalog than the one related to by its
>master
>catalog alias.
>
>This is not correct. Under what
Ed - I forget if you have any z/VM systems. You might be able to use the z/VM
starter DVD to ipl a /zVM system to then access the tape library libraries and
do your restores of the z/OS pack
Jerry Whitteridge
Manager Mainframe Systems & Storage
Albertsons - Safeway Inc.
925 738 9443
Corporate
The DASD route is unrealistic on several grounds as noted. I think tape has to
be the solution. Could IBM (or intermediate reseller) loan a 'standalone' tape
machine just for installation? We get loaner hardware on (rare) occasions as
needed. This is a one-time problem that needs a one-time
On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Mike Schwab
wrote:
> CP/M 86 was available but IBM couldn't get a license. They hired
> Microsoft to write DOS and they bought QDOS to get started.
>
>
Yeah. Worst mistake Gary Kindall ever made. Just think, if he'd hadn't
"blown off"
Hi John,
Commodore 64 anyone? :-)
Do you know what OS it ran?
Was the HW an x86? Motorola? Apple?
I had a buddy (years ago, of course), that did strange and wonderful (at
the time) things with several of them connected together. No cases, wires
everywhere, but
On 2/4/2016 11:58 PM, Crispin Hugo wrote:
I have not tried this personally but IBM System Storage TS3500 Tape Library
GUI under section Cartridges allows one to select cartridge in Library and
move it to a specific slot, the slot can be any of the cartridge drives in the
Library. I assume
Sri h Kolusu wrote :
>>If you want DFSORT to extract the values from Raw SMF data then what fields
>>correspond to Userid, Jobname(SMF30JBN ??) and Date from the SMF-30 Record
>>mapping? Remember the raw smf have variable length segments where the offset
>>and the length are stored in the
Please let me know how it goes !
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On 2/4/2016 11:58 PM,
Thanks Roberto, I can use JOBID to get this working too!
– Vignesh
Mainframe Infrastructure
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Thanks Elardus.
Please ignore my verbal incompetence. What I meant hopefully came through
though - cancel all ASID's except the active one.
There is an fix from CA for this already but I'm just taking as an opportunity
to learn something, hopefully by not having to spend way too much time
You may find this of interest. Fred Brooks talks about JCL. I couldn't find
the original online, but I probably could if I tried harder.
http://lilliana.eu/downloads/jcltalk.txt
Cheers,
Lindy
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Well, it is a bit more complicated :) and I'm glad you found a better way.
Further below.
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>
There is a VVDSFIX (not officially supported/use at own risk) available from
IBM.
Also, the two ISV catalog tools (Dino and CR+) can fix these errors.
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> On Behalf Of Gerry Tracey
> Sent: Friday,
On 02/05/2016 04:44 PM, Chris Cantrell wrote:
Thanks Steve. The program is currently written in COBOL. I was hoping I could
get to a storage area that I could examine after each read to determine if the
volumw has changes. I don't mind having an assembler called routine. However,
I'm the only
On 2/5/2016 12:09 PM, Robert Haimowitz wrote:
You no longer need an ICKDSF IPL tape with the current DFDSS. Bob
Excellent. And, since this is z/OS 2.2 it should work fine... :-\
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831 Parkview Drive North
El Segundo, CA 90245
How about a virtual training aid that has Tape Gui and Internal Library
stack? Seems like a summer project for an intern.
In a message dated 2/5/2016 3:49:17 P.M. Central Standard Time,
alan_altm...@us.ibm.com writes:
and can click on HELP or the actual buttons, you're going to have
Greetings, We did a small test of changing dates within z/OS Guest System and
we were able to change under TSO but under Unix Environment, it continues to
show z/VM Host date and when I type in date under USS environment.
Is that because of UTC? and we cannot change date under Unix environment.
On 2/5/2016 1:49 PM, Alan Altmark wrote:
Ed, I don't think it's up to z/OS to document how to move cartridges
around in every tape library, nor appropriate for it to do so.
Perhaps not, but that's what they do. Don't worry, I won't send the same
RCF in for z/VM.
Your comment got me to
On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 12:28:13 -0600, John McKown > I stand corrected. But Xenix was not a "PC-type operating system", but a
>> port of Unix.
>>
>
>Ah. Difference in viewpoint. My machines at home run Linux.
I run Gnu/Linux too. What I meant was that Xenix was not like MS-DOS. And the
post that I
On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 19:02:30 +, Lester, Bob wrote:
>Commodore 64 anyone? :-)
>Do you know what OS it ran?
>Was the HW an x86? Motorola? Apple?
No. No, and no.
The C-64 used an MOS Technology 6510. It was essentially the same processor as
the 6502
used in the Apple II and Atari 400
On 2016-02-05 15:35, Jasi Grewal wrote:
> Greetings, We did a small test of changing dates within z/OS Guest System and
> we were able to change under TSO but under Unix Environment, it continues to
> show z/VM Host date and when I type in date under USS environment.
>
> Is that because of UTC?
On 2/5/2016 11:15 AM, Skip Robinson wrote:
One more point on standalone restore. IPLing from a tape volume basically
assumes that the tape is non-labelled. That is, the first record read is
expected to be a bootstrap record. If a tape has labels, the first load will
fail, but the tape will be
I found it here, at about 1:50.
http://www.computerhistory.org/revolution/mainframe-computers/7/162/2270
-Lindy
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Sent: perjantaina 5. helmikuuta 2016 20.44
To: 'IBM Mainframe Discussion List'
Subject: RE: IBM Destination
bles...@ofiglobal.com (Lester, Bob) writes:
> Yeah. Worst mistake Gary Kindall ever made. Just think, if he'd hadn't
> "blown off" IBM, I'd be cursing his memory (he's deceased) instead of
> Bill Gates. Or maybe not, I ran CP/M-80 back in the day. I really
> enjoyed it. But, then, I enjoyed
I have a process which determines the VOLSERs belong to a file and then
dynamically allocates each tape individually to determine exactly what data is
on each of the individual VOLSERs. Our system programers implemented a change
last year which caused z/OS (2.01) to add the missing VOLSERs to
Also don't forget the stand alone ICKDSF IPL tape to init the disk drives
before a stand alone DFDSS IPL to restore the tapes.
Cliff McNeill
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Skip Robinson
Bob beat me to it! But I'll add this:
...when you specify NOVERIFY (or NVFY) on the RESTORE command.
Robert Haimowitz wrote:
You no longer need an ICKDSF IPL tape with the current DFDSS. Bob
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On 02/05/2016 03:45 PM, Chris Cantrell wrote:
I have a process which determines the VOLSERs belong to a file and then
dynamically allocates each tape individually to determine exactly what data is
on each of the individual VOLSERs. Our system programers implemented a change
last year which
Lester, Bob wrote:
> Commodore 64 anyone? :-)
I owned one then - with speed of 1.0?? MHz. Played games, learned myself
Assembler, prolog, basic (slow and yucky!), logo (?spelling? that turtle thing
language - actually a vector based drawing program).
There were a lots of new
You no longer need an ICKDSF IPL tape with the current DFDSS. Bob
Robert Haimowitz
IBM Development Support Team (DST) Poughkeepsie
IBM z Systems and z/OS Enablement
Phone: 1-919-486-3288 (tie line 526-3288)
Internet: ha...@us.ibm.com
From: Clifford McNeill
To:
Hilario,
As Bill pointed out you cannot have both INCLUDE and OMIT COND in the same
step. If you want both you need to move one of them to OUTFIL.
Check this link which illustrates the processing order for record
handling, exits, statements, and options. Use this diagram with the text
On 02/05/2016 11:56 AM, Bill Woodger wrote:
> Well, two things: Yes there were, and with several names, and I'd now only
> say possibly MS-DOS. Although MS-DOS possibly/probably wouldn't have existed
> without IBM; the much later appearance of the IBM PC in the UK than in the US
> also
Caveat: as a daily digester, my responses are always behind-the-times...
The messages are perfectly correct and expected. Your culprit is MB(86000)
which would be similar to requesting CYL(11). None of the listed volumes
have the required 86Gb of free space. Rather they all show
On Thursday, 4 February 2016 22:08:31 UTC, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
> No, they are not; not even as RAM disk files. A pipe communicates directly
> between processes (like "tasks"). A DOS partisan once explained his
> misunderstanding of pipes to me that way:
>
> CAT reads /etc/passwd and
Thanks Lucas, this looks like NetView REXX (?).
I have this part ready and waiting for the ASID-identifying bit :)
I can now make it work with Roberto's snippet to get the JOBID.
– Vignesh
Mainframe Infrastructure
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Thanks Lizette,
I believe I'm signed up to that list as well, just forgot I could post there!
– Vignesh
Mainframe Infrastructure
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Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 5:09
Bill:
There was a product from IBM called PCF and it would let you string
out tso commands with a ";" between each command and you could do
what you are talking about I just remembered it a 445A . ex: alloc
(systut1)da(in.contl) shr;alloc (sysut2) da(out.data) new sp(1 1)
trk;alloc
Towards the bottom of this list of documents there are titles with "Data
Area" in them.
http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/library/bkserv/v2r2pdf/#IEA
They will (indirectly) explain why/how that bit of Rexx works.
The journey always begins at home:
"The PSA maps the storage that starts at
On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 11:41:52 +1100, Andrew Rowley
wrote:
>I am using JZOS to run Java as a batch job, and these are my tests for
>general processing of SMF data rather than time zone conversion
>specifically. It wouldn't surprise me if the batch job is better than
Good news!
I plunged into the "depths" of the ASCB and found what I needed..
/* REXX */
ascb = C2D(Storage(224,4))
ascbasid = C2X(Storage(D2X(ascb+36),2))
Say 'ascbasid='ascbasid
LOL, can't believe it was this easy.
– Vignesh
Ed,
I'm fairly sure Paul was referring to the original "IBM PC-type" (although
pre-dating the IBM PC) operating system from Microsoft.
This had "pipes" but they weren't really pipes. Instead of passing each piece
of output to the next process, so that multiple processes are all active,
Tom,
I think if you use that cat to grep to awk as an example, you'll get confusion
from the students. They'll say "why don't you just do it in awk?" or even reel
off an obscure Perl one-liner.
Using ls into grep into tail may be more realistic.
On Thursday, 4 February 2016 20:00:36 UTC, Tom
ok that is fine bill, i was able to code the required sort card . Thanks!
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On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 00:02:37 -0600, Ed Gould wrote:
>
>-SNIP-
>The three jobsteps can be cut down to one if you use the "new"
>control cards in sort.
>Ask the sort people too show you how.
>
But does that make a good beginners' introduction to JCL?
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From the DFSORT Application Programming Guide description of INCLUDE:
"You can specify either an INCLUDE statement or an OMIT statement in the same
DFSORT run, but not both"
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Did you look at the syntax diagram for continuing control cards in DFSORT?
What did it say?
https://www-304.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.icea100/ice2ca_Continuation_lines.htm?lang=en
Or Tiny URL
http://tinyurl.com/jce63eh
Check the control statements for
Hilario Garcia wrote:
>//STEP0010EXEC PGM=ICETOOL
>//TOOLMSGDD SYSOUT=*
>//DFSMSG DD SYSOUT=*
>//VLSHCNTL DD *
> OPTION COPY,VLSHRT
> INCLUDE
Hello,
I need to omit records with some users that are located on SMF type 30 records.
The code that I have is:
//STEP0010EXEC PGM=ICETOOL
//TOOLMSGDD SYSOUT=*
//DFSMSG DD SYSOUT=*
//VLSHCNTL DD *
You can't have both INCLUDE and OMIT in the same step. You'll need to work your
omissions into the INCLUDE or your inclusions into the OMIT.
On Friday, 5 February 2016 13:13:41 UTC, Hilario Garcia wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I need to omit records with some users that are located on SMF type 30
>
Hello Elardus,
Thank you very much for your solutions. It's works fine.
Kind Regards.
Hilario
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On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 00:16:41 -0600, Ed Gould wrote:
>
>The part I think you are missing is that cat and grep and awk are
>system commands and as such are included in UNIX
>Z/OS has no real equivalence (unless you are talking OE then that is
>a whole separate discussion).
>
Actually, IEBGENER for
On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 03:11:34 -0600, Bill Woodger wrote:
>
>> ... A DOS partisan once explained his
>> misunderstanding of pipes to me that way:
>>
>> CAT reads /etc/passwd and writes to temporary file TEMP1.
>> When CAT terminates, GREP reads TEMP1 and writes TEMP2
>> When GREP
On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 04:57:49 -0600, Ed Gould wrote:
>
>There was a product from IBM called PCF and it would let you string
>out tso commands with a ";" between each command and you could do
>what you are talking about I just remembered it a 445A . ex: alloc
>(systut1)da(in.contl) shr;alloc
On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 06:55:25 -0600, Bill Woodger wrote:
>Tom,
>
>I think if you use that cat to grep to awk as an example, you'll get confusion
>from the students. They'll say "why don't you just do it in awk?" or even reel
>off an obscure Perl one-liner.
>
Or DFSORT. /* ( but not in one
On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 13:19:25 -0600, John McKown wrote:
>the grandfather of them all ...
>was the Imsai 8080. Not to mention many other CP/M-80 machines, such as
>Comemco and Altair 8800.
ITYM Cromemco.
The IMSAI was a clone of the Altair. If you want to think of one as the
"Grandfather", it
I had an Apple ][ with an acoustic coupler. It auto dialed over a regular telco
dial tone line using a program loaded from a cassette player, or if one could
afford it, from an early floppy drive. The college I went to had a Univac
90/70d. The were 4 student dialup numbers. I could get into one
On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 14:00:29 -0600, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote:
>8 bit MOS Technology 6510 with 64KB memory - Loosely based on Motorola AFAIK.
Depends on what you mean by "based on". The 6502 was designed by some of the
same
people who designed the 6800 at Motorola, but it was a rather different
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