Re: Dummy query on processor failover

2018-12-18 Thread Timothy Sipples
Radoslaw Skorupka used lots of capital letters thusly: >Except ...it doesn't answer the question: HOW CPU >RECOGNIZE ITS OWN FAILURE? I'll provide the same answer and expand on it briefly: "Nowadays, thanks to the wonders of microelectronic miniaturization, that's through intensive, thorough

Re: Dummy query on processor failover

2018-12-18 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Tom Marchant wrote: >This was documented in the announcement for the 9672 G5 models. You can still >find the sales manual entry at >http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.wss?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_sm/6/897/ENUS9672-_h06/index.html_locale=en Thanks. I remember that beast 9672. >Many of

Re: AW: SPFLite goes Open Source

2018-12-18 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Or FreeBASIC, an open-source BASIC compiler for Windows, linux and xbox. https://www.freebasic.net/ Not sure how compatible with PowerBASIC that one is, but it would be worth investigating. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]

Re: 64-bit C code fetching IGGCSI00

2018-12-18 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
So using these pragmas did not stop the fetch error? #pragma(IGGCSI00, FETCHABLE) #pragma(IGGCSI00, OS_UPSTACK) Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Pierre Fichaud Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 1:25 PM To:

Re: Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 16:39:09 -0600, Robert Longabaugh wrote: >.. >CAUNZIP documentation is in several places, including here: >https://docops.ca.com/ca-common-services-for-z-os/14-1/en/administrating/caunzip-utility > Where I see: ... CAUNZIP is a TSO utility that extracts the contents of

Re: 64-bit C code fetching IGGCSI00

2018-12-18 Thread Don Poitras
In article <8873109401385730.wa.m42tomibmmainyahoo@listserv.ua.edu> you wrote: > On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 12:24:38 -0600, Pierre Fichaud wrote: > >I have 64-bit C code that attempts to fetch() IGGCSI00. > >I've used pragma linkage on IGGCSI00 but got nowhere. > >I am getting the following: > > >

Re: Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Robert Longabaugh
We do not have any 81 byte records in the holddata files. PTFs and holddata both require fixed 80 byte records There are some "packed" holddata files that have a different LRECL. If you select the packed files, you will need to unpack them with AMATERSE before processing with SMP/E. If you are

Re: CFCC Performance

2018-12-18 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
I'm somewhat puzzled by this thread. Could mean that I'm missing a basic point. We've been doing parallel sysplex since the mid-90s and therefore gone through a number of advances in technology. So let me toddle a ways down Memory Lane. In the beginning, there was no duplexing. IBM promised it

Re: Multi-volume HSM MCDS [EXTERNAL]

2018-12-18 Thread Feller, Paul
A few thoughts for you. 1: The storage team defined 1 of the 4 MCDS to take up a full M27. The others are defined to take up a full M9. I'm not sure why they did that. 2: If you have several lpars making updates to the MCDS you might consider RLS. It is my understanding that it will help

Re: 64-bit C code fetching IGGCSI00

2018-12-18 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 12:24:38 -0600, Pierre Fichaud wrote: >I have 64-bit C code that attempts to fetch() IGGCSI00. >I've used pragma linkage on IGGCSI00 but got nowhere. >I am getting the following: > >EDC5256S An AMODE64 application is attempting to fetch() an AMODE31 >executable.

Re: 64-bit C code fetching IGGCSI00

2018-12-18 Thread Pierre Fichaud
Don, I understand about the parameters and data areas being in 31-bit storage. I'm trying to fetch() IGGCSI00 in C code that is compiled for 64-bit. The fetch fails. Can I define IGGCSI00 somehow to C so that the fetch() works ? Regards, Pierre.

Re: Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Seymour J Metz
I normally use zip. but the version maintained by Netlabs and bundled with ArcaOS can't handle archives larger than 4 GiB. I'm looking at p7zip as an alternative for that one archive. I don't use jar (which is really zip) unless I'm dealing with Java. If I have to ship an archive to someone

Re: Multi-volume HSM MCDS

2018-12-18 Thread Hervey Martinez
Ok, is there a limit to how big it can be? We have the file under SMS. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Chuck Kreiter Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 1:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Multi-volume HSM MCDS It doesn't need to

Re: Multi-volume HSM MCDS

2018-12-18 Thread Hervey Martinez
i had read that but was not sure. So, that means that each one will need to be split based on the key. The old from-key to-key concept. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Lizette Koehler Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 1:13 PM To:

Re: 64-bit C code fetching IGGCSI00

2018-12-18 Thread Don Poitras
In article <5828839252973544.wa.prf51videotron...@listserv.ua.edu> you wrote: > I have 64-bit C code that attempts to fetch() IGGCSI00. > I've used pragma linkage on IGGCSI00 but got nowhere. > I am getting the following: > EDC5256S An AMODE64 application is attempting to fetch() an AMODE31 >

Re: CFCC Performance

2018-12-18 Thread Allan Staller
Mike, Are you using Structure Duplexing and/or System managed rebuild? Al -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mike Schwab Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CFCC Performance We had 4 CFs. Two for the

Re: Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 18:16:47 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >I have no problem with 7z, but using an extension for the wrong format is sick. > Yes. I understand that customary vs. peculiar format is an option; I don't know the default. Which do you use? Can the archives you create be extracted

Re: Multi-volume HSM MCDS [EXTERNAL]

2018-12-18 Thread Allan Staller
Extended addressability and RLS are (AFAIK) both supported for the HSMCDS. There are caveats. HTH, -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Feller, Paul Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Multi-volume HSM MCDS

Re: Multi-volume HSM MCDS

2018-12-18 Thread Allan Staller
RLS is not needed (although it is supported for HSM CDS). All that is needed is extended addressability (also support). However, this requires converting the HSM CDSs to SMS Management. I have done this with a "do nothing" MCLAS/DCLAS/SCLAS set of constructs. HTH, -Original Message-

Re: Enforcing CLASS in instream proc

2018-12-18 Thread Carmen Vitullo
I wonder if the product ThruPut manager is still available, if so, via JAL (job action Language) the OP may be able to direct work based on this criteria Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Wayne Bickerdike" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018

Re: Enforcing CLASS in instream proc

2018-12-18 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
Now that the OP has clarified his requirement, my initial thought was that the PROC could be changed to simply re-submit a new job via INTRDR. This would direct the job to the required job class. PROCA - do what you do now PROCB - INTRDR submit to run in different class. On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at

Re: Multi-volume HSM MCDS

2018-12-18 Thread Chuck Kreiter
It doesn't need to be RLS. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Hervey Martinez Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:51 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Multi-volume HSM MCDS The MCDS is taking up a full mod-9 and

64-bit C code fetching IGGCSI00

2018-12-18 Thread Pierre Fichaud
I have 64-bit C code that attempts to fetch() IGGCSI00. I've used pragma linkage on IGGCSI00 but got nowhere. I am getting the following: EDC5256S An AMODE64 application is attempting to fetch() an AMODE31 executable. (errno2=0xC4070068) The C program was compiled with :

Re: CFCC Performance

2018-12-18 Thread Mike Schwab
We had 4 CFs. Two for the TestPlex and two for the Production Plex. On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 10:37 AM Allan Staller wrote: > > I am in the process or reconfiguring from a Single CF to multiple CFs (per > partition) to eliminate the single point of failure. > The subject of CFCC Thin Interrupts

Re: Dummy query on processor failover

2018-12-18 Thread Seymour J Metz
Like many other questions, the answer depends on which processor you're asking about and what options have been set. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tom Marchant

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Seymour J Metz
I have no problem with 7z, but using an extension for the wrong format is sick. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>

Re: Multi-volume HSM MCDS

2018-12-18 Thread Lizette Koehler
You want to convert to multiple mcds clusters MCDS1 MCDS2 Etc... The MCDS and BCDS can be comprised from one to four clusters. Each cluster is a stand-alone VSAM Key Sequence data Set https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.arci000/mvcds.htm You

Re: Multi-volume HSM MCDS [EXTERNAL]

2018-12-18 Thread Feller, Paul
Based on what I've read the MCDS technically can only be on one volume. Now you can have up to 4 MCDS datasets in the HSM configuration. Each dataset can only be on 1 volume. In our shop we have 4 MCDS datasets defined to HSM and each is on its own volume. We have several lpars sharing the

Multi-volume HSM MCDS

2018-12-18 Thread Hervey Martinez
The MCDS is taking up a full mod-9 and it is growing. I'm looking at expanding the file to be multi-volume and wondering if this can be done without converting CDS to RLS? Done some searches but don't really come up with anything. How would this be expanded to multi-volume. Would the

Re: Enforcing CLASS in instream proc

2018-12-18 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
We historically use a combination of JES(2) exits to set JOBCLASS for a whole host of reasons. PROC does not happen to be one, but with standard documented exits, you can test for almost anything in one exit and communicate with other exits to achieve the result you want. The great Class Setter

CFCC Performance

2018-12-18 Thread Allan Staller
I am in the process or reconfiguring from a Single CF to multiple CFs (per partition) to eliminate the single point of failure. The subject of CFCC Thin Interrupts has been evaluated and will most likely be implemented. As part of this process the discussion of DUPLEX CF structure vs. use of

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 09:36:09 -0600, Al Ferguson wrote: >I have found "jar -xf scart0.zip" works fine for me. I like to stick with base >product (or other tools provided by/through) IBM, or Open Source vs pulling >3rd party versions of generic utilities (I do not trust their maintenance

Re: Dummy query on processor failover

2018-12-18 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 16:43:50 +0800, Timothy Sipples wrote: >Radoslaw Skorupka: >>Let's say a CPU returns false results like 2x2=5. How to recognize >>the result is false? > >The IBM Z (and LinuxONE) system handles all that for you, and without >operating system involvement. Nowadays, thanks to

Re: Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 09:36:09 -0600, Al Ferguson wrote: >I have found "jar -xf scart0.zip" works fine for me. I like to stick with base >product (or other tools provided by/through) IBM, or Open Source vs pulling >3rd party versions of generic utilities (I do not trust their maintenance

Re: [EXTERNAL] Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Chicklon, Thomas
CAUNZIP is a TSO command, and is delivered as a part of CA Common Services. For us, it lives in CAW0LINK which is in our LNKLST concatenation. Tom Chicklon >>I'm trying to find where I can find CAUNZIP that's described in Carmen's link. This e-mail transmission contains information that is

Re: Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Chicklon, Thomas
CA does provide a process to take the scart0.zip file and get it into a format that RECEIVE FROMNTS can use. I was fortunate in that I could FTP both the hold data and scart0.zip directly to my mainframe. For those who cannot directly FTP from CA, this works rather well, you just need to add

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh
Unfortunately, I've to work within the set constraints, so can't RECEIVE ORDER, can't CSM, can't FileZilla. Suppose I'll open a case with CA and let them sort it out. Few years ago, I remember giving a zone export and getting a single package with all the fixes in. When I asked for this a year

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Al Ferguson
I have found "jar -xf scart0.zip" works fine for me. I like to stick with base product (or other tools provided by/through) IBM, or Open Source vs pulling 3rd party versions of generic utilities (I do not trust their maintenance histories). ___ Al Ferguson |

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh
Thanks Gil.. yeah just discovered the 'jar' option thanks to Al. Ouch (for mput)... why? – Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: 18 December 2018 15:27 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re:

Re: Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Lizette Koehler
On the CA Website, as others have stated, is an Internet process. Second, there is also documentation on using FILEZILLA to download fixes/products from CA website. Third, you can open a case to CA on this process. I understand about not being able to use CA MSM in the shop. However, it can be

Re: [EXTERNAL] Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh
Thanks Al, I'm trying to find where I can find CAUNZIP that's described in Carmen's link. From your procedure, I see that I can use jar -xf to unzip and the rest of your steps are great, thank you. It is incredibly annoying that there's a limit of putting 100 fixes into the cart... for what

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 14:36:34 +, Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh wrote: > >Yes, I get scart0.zip and unzip it on a PC. >I then set quote site parameters and mput them bunch by bunch. >Like... mput *.bin, mput *.txt, and so on. > Ouch! >Should I just chuck the scart0.zip into USS, and process there?

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 14:30:21 +, Cieri, Anthony wrote: > >Once in z/OS (USS) I used a program called CAUNZIP to unzip and SMP/E receive >all of the PTFs. ... > Would "jar" have extracted them for you? If not, CA is doing a disservice be requiring idiosyncratic tools. Perhaps even better

Re: Dummy query on processor failover

2018-12-18 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 06:03:25 -0600, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: >Each CPU (on an IBM mainframe) consists of two halves. Both halves are >executing an instruction and the results are compared. > >If there is a difference, then the instruction is retried. If still there is a >difference, somehow

Fwd: [EXTERNAL] Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Al Ferguson
Vignesh, CA has always been a bit different. Here is my solution (2 JOBs). I am assuming you have an OMVS Segment and a USS Home Directory. - Start by ordering all the maintenance in 1 bundle (up to 100 fixes, do multiple if you need more the 100 fixes). - Then download the

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Carmen Vitullo
the link provided at the very end if the doc has sample JCL on how to use the CAUNZIP utility HTH's Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Vignesh Sankaranarayanan" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 8:36:34 AM Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Fixes

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Carmen Vitullo
Yes, I believe so, I can post again... The following link describes the current download options: https://docops.ca.com/mainframe-common-maintenance/en/maintain-your-products/download-and-receive-maintenance/review-download-options I actually got this link from CA's Support Delivery

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh
Hi Tony, Yes, I get scart0.zip and unzip it on a PC. I then set quote site parameters and mput them bunch by bunch. Like... mput *.bin, mput *.txt, and so on. Should I just chuck the scart0.zip into USS, and process there? Haven't done that before... any sample JCL? - Vignesh Mainframe

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh
Hi Carmen, The link you gave was RECEIVE ORDER.. same as connecting from MF to external site, right? – Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo Sent: 18 December 2018 14:20 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: Dummy query on processor failover

2018-12-18 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2018-12-18 o 13:03, Elardus Engelbrecht pisze: Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: Except ...it doesn't answer the question: HOW CPU RECOGNIZE ITS OWN FAILURE? I don't have the original documents (Redbooks/Share presentations/KC/etc.) from IBM, but in short this is what happens (from my

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Cieri, Anthony
The last time I applied maintenance to a CA product, I believe that there was a way to order all of the fixes that you wanted and get them in a .zip files. The filename was something like scart0.zip. I was able to download this file from the CA site and then upload it to z/OS in a USS file.

Re: Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Carmen Vitullo
Indeed they do, CA's site, product support mostly has changed so many times over the years, and if you are not a normal user then it's frustrating at the very least to figure out what format and how to download fixes. many many moons ago I was assigned a PIN #, 005, and the site was very useful

Re: Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Chris Hoelscher
CA now offers internet smp/e retrievals (receive order). This delivers fixes and holddata directly (and properly formatted) to the mainframe Before the above method was available in our shop, I used IND$FILE to port fixes from desktop top MF - specifying recfm(f) lrecl(80) Never had a

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh
Not connected to any vendor from the mainframe.. – Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Vernooij, Kees (ITOP NM) - KLM Sent: 18 December 2018 13:59 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Fixes from CA

Re: Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Carmen Vitullo
I have one product I support from CA and i feel your frustration , after missing around abit I contacted CA to get the scoop, I forget what I finally did to get my PTF's downloaded but it was not easy one thing a team member proved to me was this link this may help some

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOP NM) - KLM
Are you connected to IBM, if so, why not to CA? Kees. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh > Sent: 18 December, 2018 14:52 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Fixes

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh
This almost worked -- quote site lrecl=80 recfm=fb blksize=3120 cylinders pri=250 sec=10 notrail trun nowrap removeinbeof But there's a file like below: ++APAR (Lxx) /* */ Etc etc The first line not being 80 is

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh
Nope, not using CSM. Mainframe is not connected to CA, so CSM is severely handicapped without connectivity to CA. Yes, it works with offline packages, but I can't be bothered with that set of actions.. would rather get it working with basic Windows FTP. – Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure

Re: Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh wrote: >On getting a bunch of Solutions downloaded from the CA site for a product, the >subsequent uploads to mainframe fail because the .txt files go on for more >than 80 cols. This is super annoying as I'm looking to upload hundreds of PTF >HOLDDATA. I've used quote

Re: Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOP NM) - KLM
CA CSM it seems to be called now. Kees. > -Original Message- > From: Vernooij, Kees (ITOP NM) - KLM > Sent: 18 December, 2018 14:38 > To: 'IBM Mainframe Discussion List' > Subject: RE: Fixes from CA > > First, are you not using CA MSM? That makes life so much easier. > Second, you

Re: Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOP NM) - KLM
First, are you not using CA MSM? That makes life so much easier. Second, you could try to ftp to a preallocated dataset. Or use Total Commander. Kees. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh >

Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh
Hi, On getting a bunch of Solutions downloaded from the CA site for a product, the subsequent uploads to mainframe fail because the .txt files go on for more than 80 cols. This is super annoying as I'm looking to upload hundreds of PTF HOLDDATA. I've used quote site lrecl=80 but when the first

Re: Dummy query on processor failover

2018-12-18 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: >Except ...it doesn't answer the question: HOW CPU RECOGNIZE ITS OWN FAILURE? I don't have the original documents (Redbooks/Share presentations/KC/etc.) from IBM, but in short this is what happens (from my failing/decaying memory): Each CPU (on an IBM mainframe)

Re: Dummy query on processor failover

2018-12-18 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2018-12-18 o 09:43, Timothy Sipples pisze: Radoslaw Skorupka: Let's say a CPU returns false results like 2x2=5. How to recognize the result is false? The IBM Z (and LinuxONE) system handles all that for you, and without operating system involvement. Nowadays, thanks to the wonders of

Re: Dummy query on processor failover

2018-12-18 Thread Timothy Sipples
Radoslaw Skorupka: >Let's say a CPU returns false results like 2x2=5. How to recognize >the result is false? The IBM Z (and LinuxONE) system handles all that for you, and without operating system involvement. Nowadays, thanks to the wonders of microelectronic miniaturization, that's through

Re: Enforcing CLASS in instream proc

2018-12-18 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOP NM) - KLM
Peter, Can you clarify why you like to do that? Kees. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Peter > Sent: 18 December, 2018 3:51 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Enforcing CLASS in instream proc > >