Re: Goto Statements AND COBOL OPTIMIZATION

2020-06-10 Thread Tom Ross
>The addition of EXIT PARAGRAPH >and EXIT SECTION have eliminated most of the reasons for use of GO TO >in COBOL. I would be interested in any corrections to my >understanding by those responsible for the COBOL compiler. =20 I partially agree, Clark, but what really made it easy to get rid of

Re: [External] Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes"

2020-06-10 Thread Tom Brennan
Things like numeric conversion and scooting text around are difficult in assembler, so I would tend to put that off until later [1]. Then one day I coded a macro and underlying subroutine so I could do something like this: #PRINTF SYSPRINT,'DFS0929I BLDL ON DDNAME %s FAILED with RC=%d FOR

SMF 71 long floating point fields

2020-06-10 Thread Pierre Fichaud
There are many of them. I'm guessing these are hex floating point. Could someone confirm this or correct me ? Thanks, Pierre. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes"

2020-06-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
DAIRFAIL was available in the 1980s; I don't recall whether it was available in the late 1970s, and bitsavers doesn't have the manuals I would need to check. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes")

2020-06-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
> it's (presumably) accurate, and fairly precise. It leaves you gueesing whether it's complaining about a DBD or PSB library. The IDC3009I message is more precise, albeit not user friendly, and the documentation does tell you how to respond. But still, this is the 21st century; why do we

Re: [External] Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes"

2020-06-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
I was here and that sort of message was not acceptable then. They could at least have written somethng like DFS0929I BLDL ON DDNAME foo FAILED with RC=bar FOR MEMBER --DDMPPSZ -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM

Re: [External] Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes"

2020-06-10 Thread Pommier, Rex
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 2:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes" On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 17:02:40 +, Frank Swarbrick wrote: >Here's a

Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes")

2020-06-10 Thread Steve Smith
I take this example as merely an example. IBM & the software industry are notoriously bad at getting these right. At one end, you have "Oops, something went wrong." -- Windows 10 (and yeah, the day I started using Windows 10). At the other, IDC3009I. Sheesh. Counter to those, the IMS message

Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes"

2020-06-10 Thread Tom Brennan
I can't really remember, but I think it was when R15 was not zero maybe S99ERROR/S99INFO were displayed in hex. Seems like that was pretty common at the time (1990's?) because I remember multiple times having to go to the programming manual to find the SVC99 codes. There were a few (1708?)

Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes"

2020-06-10 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 17:02:40 +, Frank Swarbrick wrote: >Here's a quote from a message I posted to this list in 2009: > >"I have a very basic one to complain about: > >DFS0929I BLDL FAILED FOR MEMBER --DDMPPSZ > >This really means that the specified PSB DDMPPSZ is not in the specified IMS

Re: Don't Hire Chuck Norris was Re: restart GIMSMP in unpack step

2020-06-10 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 15:18:40 -0300 Clark Morris wrote: :>[Default] On 10 Jun 2020 07:43:41 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main :>ku...@us.ibm.com (Kurt Quackenbush) wrote: :> :>>> snip :>>Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, SMP/E Development :>>Chuck Norris never uses CHECK when he applies PTFs. :> :>Don't

Don't Hire Chuck Norris was Re: restart GIMSMP in unpack step

2020-06-10 Thread Clark Morris
[Default] On 10 Jun 2020 07:43:41 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main ku...@us.ibm.com (Kurt Quackenbush) wrote: >> snip >Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, SMP/E Development >Chuck Norris never uses CHECK when he applies PTFs. Don't Hire Chuck Norris for any systems work. Clark Morris >

Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes"

2020-06-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
"Après moi le déluge." -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bill Johnson [0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 1:45

Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes"

2020-06-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
The problem with that message is not that it mentions BLDL, but that it fails to mention other relevant data. At a minimum, what was the ddname and what was the return code. Ideally I'd like secondary messages listing the libraries in the concatenation. A user ABEND without a message is hard

Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes"

2020-06-10 Thread Bill Johnson
I worked for a company whose management only knew initial cost. So they would always buy the less expensive product. Eventually they’d wind up spending more after additional costs to implement the less expensive software or hardware. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, June 10,

Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes"

2020-06-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
Are you talking about messages from dynamic allocation, or about messages from the caller. The DAIRFAIL routine is avilable for formatting error codes from DAIR and DYNALLOC, and DYNALLOC has an option to generate a message; if an application doesn't use those facilities, but instead displays a

Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes"

2020-06-10 Thread Tom Brennan
Yep! And I remember dynamic allocation errors where the user basically just gets the SVC99 return/reason code, and the only way to figure out what happened is to look it up in the programming manual - not even a message manual. So here's an example for you: If the BLDL gets a non-zero

Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes"

2020-06-10 Thread Frank Swarbrick
Here's a quote from a message I posted to this list in 2009: "I have a very basic one to complain about: DFS0929I BLDL FAILED FOR MEMBER --DDMPPSZ This really means that the specified PSB DDMPPSZ is not in the specified IMS library. Why can't it just say that? As an application programmer do

Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes"

2020-06-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
Essentially, a zero sum gave is one in which there is a fixed amount of money, so any gain must be at the other players' expense and there are no "win-win" strategies. Open software development is not like that. The big players are large corporations that support it becaause doing so increases

Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes"

2020-06-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
> The real problem is nothing to do with technology, and all to do with cost. The actual cost, the creative accounting cost or the cost promised by the salesman? How often is there an honest evaluation of the costs for various options, including downstream costs and benefits? -- Shmuel

Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes"

2020-06-10 Thread Bob Bridges
I thought about that. But for some reason I kind of like it in its present form; it has a certain slapdash irreverence. We'll see whether I still feel that way in a few months. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* A child's greatest source of security today is not

Re: restart GIMSMP in unpack step

2020-06-10 Thread Carmen Vitullo
Thanks Kurt for the clarification Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Kurt Quackenbush" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 9:43:18 AM Subject: Re: restart GIMSMP in unpack step On 6/10/2020 9:32 AM, Carmen Vitullo wrote: > IIRC you can restart

Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes"

2020-06-10 Thread Bob Bridges
Not sure what you mean. I ~think~ I agree (unless I misunderstood you) - but software development still costs time and effort, and no matter who the developer is he has to eat. If he chooses to give away some of his work, that's fine and I accept gratefully; but it means he's earning enough

Re: AZD messages?

2020-06-10 Thread Sean Gleann
That's great news, Michael!! I managed to finally(!) get that step3.2 to run successfully at the end of yesterday. I'm seeing pretty much the same sort of info as you are seeing. Have spent today de-provisioning the existing container and going through the provisioning process once more Will see

Re: restart GIMSMP in unpack step

2020-06-10 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 08:25:30 -0500, Bill Giannelli wrote: >I am running a CBPDO download from IBM. If I get past the download of all the >files, but fail during the "unpack step" due to a small smpwkdir; can I >restart pointing to a different smpwkdir resuming in the "unpack step"? Or do >I

Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes"

2020-06-10 Thread Mike Cairns
Is no-one aware of Master the Mainframe competition for students? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_the_Mainframe_Contest And the Academic Initiative, under which the classes mentioned by Wayne are run (Wayne and I worked on these together back in the day):

Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes"

2020-06-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
I wish. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bill Johnson [0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 10:43 AM To:

Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes"

2020-06-10 Thread Bill Johnson
Or, you could just know that journalism is made up of journalists. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, June 10, 2020, 10:22 AM, Joel C. Ewing wrote: Would be more clearly stated with either "journalism" -> "journalists" , or alternatively with "one" -> "a journalist"  -- unless the

Re: restart GIMSMP in unpack step

2020-06-10 Thread Kurt Quackenbush
On 6/10/2020 9:32 AM, Carmen Vitullo wrote: IIRC you can restart the process, SMP/E is smart enough to check what's been unpaxed and continue from the failing unpax. Yes you can restart the RECEIVE. SMP/E is smart enough to check what's already been downloaded, not what's already been

Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes"

2020-06-10 Thread Carmen Vitullo
:) this reminds me of another Fortune 500 aerospace company i worked for, the new engineering director didn't want to spend the funds to upgrade the CADCAM 3090-400 to a 3090-600 . he decided to move the application to a pool of RS/6000's for the application and data, a new ATM network

Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes"

2020-06-10 Thread Jonathan Quay
My Fortune 500 employer got off their mainframes by using SaaS vendors for most of the big BICARSA applications that ran on their mainframes. What back end those SaaS vendors use is anybody's guess. They also decided in the case of some applications that they would move to Intel hardware

Re: restart GIMSMP in unpack step

2020-06-10 Thread Carmen Vitullo
I've done that In my case I went from a real zfs filesystem to a tfs and point to it in the receive job //SMPWKDIR DD PATHDISP=KEEP, // PATH='/SYST/local/smpe/workdir/' which is File system name: TMPSMPWK Mount point: /SYST/local/smpe/workdir Status . . . . . . . . : Available

Re: [External] Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes"

2020-06-10 Thread R.S.
AFAIK IBM sometimes give some software to universities for free. It can be operating system, access to remote system or just IBM course (also include access to mainframe in Poughkeepsie). To complement: several years ago they sold BC class machine to some polish university at very good price.

Re: restart GIMSMP in unpack step

2020-06-10 Thread Bill Giannelli
Can I point to a completely different directory? Or on the hand, how do I add volumes to a mounted HFS file system? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with

Re: restart GIMSMP in unpack step

2020-06-10 Thread Carmen Vitullo
I've been successful increasing SMPWKDIR after a failure and starting from the 'top', I've seen SMP pick up from where it left off successfully with no issues. Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Allan Staller" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020

Re: restart GIMSMP in unpack step

2020-06-10 Thread Allan Staller
I don't know if SMPWKDIR can be changed at this point in the process. I do know that the application is mart enough to restart at the point of failure, as opposed to "at the top". -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Giannelli Sent: Wednesday, June

Re: restart GIMSMP in unpack step

2020-06-10 Thread Carmen Vitullo
IIRC you can restart the process, SMP/E is smart enough to check what's been unpaxed and continue from the failing unpax. Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Bill Giannelli" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 8:25:30 AM Subject: restart GIMSMP in

restart GIMSMP in unpack step

2020-06-10 Thread Bill Giannelli
I am running a CBPDO download from IBM. If I get past the download of all the files, but fail during the "unpack step" due to a small smpwkdir; can I restart pointing to a different smpwkdir resuming in the "unpack step"? Or do I have to start from the beginning again? thanks Bill

Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes"

2020-06-10 Thread Joel C. Ewing
Would be more clearly stated with either "journalism" -> "journalists" , or alternatively with "one" -> "a journalist"  -- unless the whole intent is to use poetic license to cause initial puzzlement followed by "oh, that's what was meant".     JC  Ewing On 6/9/20 11:55 PM, Bob Bridges wrote: >

Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes"

2020-06-10 Thread Bill Johnson
I’d be honored. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, June 10, 2020, 3:22 AM, Bob Bridges wrote: LOL - you may just have made my tagline file, Bill.  We'll see whether I still like it well enough tomorrow.  Like this: --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 The

Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes"

2020-06-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
Software development is not a zero sum game. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 12:53 AM

Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes"

2020-06-10 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
IBM are supporting university training in Mainframe in a hands-off manner. A friend of mine has just run a COBOL course at a North Queensland university. The mainframe used for classes was the Marist system. The customers were a large Australian Bank and a territory government employer. It seems