Re: One more REXX Question

2023-03-02 Thread ITschak Mugzach
Allocate syspront as MOD instead of share and all outputs will be written to same file (do not free and allocate syspront every call) ITschak בתאריך יום ו׳, 3 במרץ 2023 ב-5:02 מאת Paul Gilmartin < 042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>: > This is less a REXX question than an ISPF

Re: Z15 EOM

2023-03-02 Thread Brian Westerman
If IBM remains true to form, there will probably be a smaller z16 with a suffix that denotes that it's less powerful, then the follow process on for the z16 would be introduced a year or two after that. It seems fairly consistent that a processor is introduced, then a slightly less version of

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread Bob Bridges
It's been a while since I mentioned this, but some years ago my oldest son got his fill of hearing me talk about the vanishing mainframers and wondered whether he should get me to teach him some of the basics. I started asking around, wanting to know how much it would cost me to rent a little

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread David Crayford
On 3/3/23 12:51, Mike Schwab wrote: They only got a few dongles out before they shut the program down. That's disappointing. IIRC, IBM allow access to containerized z/OS images. I don't know anything about how one would procure access but I believe Peter Farley has experience in that space.

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread Mike Schwab
They only got a few dongles out before they shut the program down. On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 10:22 PM David Crayford wrote: > > It's my understanding that IBM made the zPDT available at a much more > affordable price with quite restrictive T's. I do agree with your > sentiments. I work with young

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread David Crayford
It's my understanding that IBM made the zPDT available at a much more affordable price with quite restrictive T's. I do agree with your sentiments. I work with young guys and they raised the same point, accessibility to a system to kick tires is an issue for young guys considering a career as

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread David Spiegel
Hi David, You said: "... If we want to attract and retain young talent we need tools that they are familiar with ...". That is not the entire story. IBM also should realize that allowing people to experiment with z/OS via Hercules (for free) is in their best interest. How many more decades

Re: One more REXX Question

2023-03-02 Thread Paul Gilmartin
This is less a REXX question than an ISPF question, and might get more focused replies in ISPF-LIST. On Thu, 2 Mar 2023 23:56:52 +, Cameron Conacher wrote: >... >When the LMCOPY runs, it writes some IEBCOPY processing messages to a >generated file name, which has a high level qualifier

Ransomware in VSAM and DB2

2023-03-02 Thread Tommy Tsui
Hi all. We are studying to build the tertiary backup. In fact, is it possible to hack the VSAM dataset during online period, is there any policy to protect VSAM datasets ? Thanks for sharing -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: ZOAU [was: RE: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers]

2023-03-02 Thread David Crayford
On 3/3/23 00:22, Farley, Peter wrote: But I found that using them from the z/OS Unix command line embedded in a python script just as in the article link is a performance nightmare. Definitely NOT ready for production use. The idea is good but the implementation is awful. Take a close look

Re: One more REXX Question

2023-03-02 Thread Steve Thompson
Check the JESMSGLOG to see what DD name has been generated/being used. You may be able to redirect that to a different DDNAME. I am in the process of doing something similar with something I am doing and I was surprised to read your experience. I don't know if I will get all my LM code and

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread David Crayford
On 2/3/23 22:10, Rick Troth wrote: On 3/2/23 05:49, David Crayford wrote: I think 99% of the folks on this forum want a language that can run in a TSO/ISPF environment hosted in PDS data sets. Lua can do that and it's orders of magnitudes faster then REXX with the advantage of package

Re: One more REXX Question

2023-03-02 Thread Bob Bridges
Others may tell you authoritatively whether you can or cannot. I'll just add that if you can't, it shouldn't be very difficult to have the REXX read all the generated IEBCOPY files and display their contents in one, and even have it delete the originals if you feel daring. --- Bob Bridges,

One more REXX Question

2023-03-02 Thread Cameron Conacher
Hello everyone, I am using REXX (specifically LMCOPY) to copy PDS members from one library to another. Everything is working just fine. Everything copies as I expect it to. When the LMCOPY runs, it writes some IEBCOPY processing messages to a generated file name, which has a high level

Re: SMP/E RECEIVE ORDER server IP address changes

2023-03-02 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 2 Mar 2023 21:14:31 +, Pommier, Rex wrote: >Hi Kurt, > >Will there be more announcements, saying the new IPs and DNS entries are in >place and when the old ones will be shut off? > And/or update the cited site when "... or soon afterwards." becomes a firm date. (If IBM owns both IP

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread Andrew Rowley
On 3/03/2023 1:36 am, David Spiegel wrote: Every time I've watched mainframe Java since OS/90 V1, it has been painfully slow. Have you ever watched a WAS startup? ... It takes about 15 minutes on the fastest mainframes. I think that's a reflection on WAS, not Java. When I was playing with

Re: IBM's Fall From World Dominance

2023-03-02 Thread Seymour J Metz
The timer code was different for S/360 and S/370 and I believe that OS/360 set some control registers when generated for a S/370. There were 3rd party mods to increase the memory limits of some models. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of

Re: IBM's Fall From World Dominance

2023-03-02 Thread Bob Bridges
I didn’t add that; that's just what happens where altavista.com redirects to. What I changed, the second time around, was removing "https:\\" from the URL, since I suspected (apparently correctly) that it's what triggered that safe-link thing. I suppose the suffix is added to help inform

Re: SMP/E RECEIVE ORDER server IP address changes

2023-03-02 Thread Pommier, Rex
Hi Kurt, Will there be more announcements, saying the new IPs and DNS entries are in place and when the old ones will be shut off? Thanks, Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Kurt J. Quackenbush Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 12:25 PM To:

Re: ZOAU [was: RE: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers]

2023-03-02 Thread Farley, Peter
That is apparently the issue on the system to which I have access, zoaversion there returns "CUT V1.1.1", while the latest version seems to be 1.2.1. Thanks for the update. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ed Jaffe Sent: Thursday, March 2,

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread Seymour J Metz
ILC doesn't seem to be a thing in the open source community. It's not an easy thing to achieve. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Rick Troth

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread Mike Schwab
JOL is still available and up to date. On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 6:44 AM Jay Maynard wrote: > > "The mainframe needs to keep pace with the industry." > > I certainly hope that whatever the industry is doing that gets adapted to > the mainframe does so much more cleanly than, say, Python... The

zOSMF and BMC

2023-03-02 Thread Steve Beaver
I have verified that IBM and Broadcom will/or use HTTPS. The only players I don't know what they are doing are BMC and Precisely. If anyone knows please respond. TIA Steve -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: Hardware Collection

2023-03-02 Thread Mike Schwab
I bet the archive sites would like a copy. On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 2:58 AM Paul Beesley <04abe4cebf59-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > I think I have some Documentation CDs from the late 1990s looking for a new > home. > Contact me off-list of you're interested > > Best Regards >

Re: ZOAU [was: RE: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers]

2023-03-02 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 3/2/2023 8:22 AM, Farley, Peter wrote: One thing I will add from actual testing I have done with ZOAU facilities -- they are HORRIBLY slow. Yes, you can run them from off-platform - that was their intended raison d'etre - and the fact that you even CAN do that if you really, really need

Re: Hardware instrumentation presentation

2023-03-02 Thread Colin Paice
Someone from IBM sent me a couple of presentations, some of which I had contributed to. It covers things like *instruction decode, address generate, execute, put away*; parallelism. How L R4,VALUE L R5,0(R4) this has to wait until the previous load has finished, but other instructions

Re: COMPARE AND TRAP instructions

2023-03-02 Thread Farley, Peter
Thanks very much for pointing out the difference between TRAP2/4 and the compare-and-trap (and likewise the load-and-trap) instructions. Not having previously researched them in PoOP, like Steve I AssUMed from the word "trap" in their name that they were related to and used the same DUCT trap

Re: CS/CDS instruction

2023-03-02 Thread Ituriel do Neto
Guys, Thank you, that's exactly what I need.  I don't know how I didn't see it in Pop Best Regards Ituriel do Nascimento Neto z/OS System Programmer Em quarta-feira, 1 de março de 2023 às 18:34:12 BRT, Seymour J Metz escreveu: In addition to the obvious instructions Phil

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Z15 EOM

2023-03-02 Thread Mike Shorkend
I still use the BC/EC nomenclature for lack of a better one. It comes down to the number of CPs you can have. The z15-T01("EC") has up to 190 general processors while the z15-T02("BC") is limited to 6. It goes back to the number of possible drawers on the CEC. Traditionally, the BC machines have

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Z15 EOM

2023-03-02 Thread Pommier, Rex
IBM dropped the EC/BC nomenclature, much to my chagrin. I'm guessing I'm not the only one that still refers to the big one as the EC and the smaller sibling as the BC, even though IBM doesn't. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Brennan Sent:

Re: COMPARE AND TRAP instructions

2023-03-02 Thread David Cole
Hi Steve, You wrote: I'm still curious about the conditional trap instructions, e.g. LAT, CIT. They have programming notes that imply they're intended for use in try-blocks, or assert. I have no idea if any current compilers use them. The COMPARE AND TRAP type instructions don't seem

Re: ZOAU [was: RE: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers]

2023-03-02 Thread Farley, Peter
One thing I will add from actual testing I have done with ZOAU facilities -- they are HORRIBLY slow. Yes, you can run them from off-platform - that was their intended raison d'etre - and the fact that you even CAN do that if you really, really need it is a Good Thing (tm). But I found that

Re: Z15 EOM

2023-03-02 Thread Tom Brennan
Oops... I meant water-cooled A01 that looks like an air-cooled speed/cp. Typing too fast. On 3/2/2023 8:04 AM, Tom Brennan wrote: Didn't IBM drop the BC vs. EC notation a while ago?  I've been calling them water-cooled vs. air-cooled.  The number of frames is obviously confusing, along with

Re: Z15 EOM

2023-03-02 Thread zMan
Thanks for all the inside knowledge! /s Seriously, that page is a keeper. On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 8:17 AM Eric D Rossman wrote: > First, let me say that I have NO inside knowledge. > > While it doesn't directly answer the question, the official IBM page for > "IBM Z mainframe hardware product

Re: Z15 EOM

2023-03-02 Thread Tom Brennan
Didn't IBM drop the BC vs. EC notation a while ago? I've been calling them water-cooled vs. air-cooled. The number of frames is obviously confusing, along with air-cooled model numbers T02 and A01 (and I assume A02 on the way) which look like speed/cp settings. On 3/2/2023 6:43 AM, P H

JCL to Python - was badmouthing REXX

2023-03-02 Thread Pommier, Rex
I think this may have been discussed before, but I just read (reread maybe) the article mentioned. Uhh, sure, let's take a 14 line job and change it to a 60+ line (without blank lines added for clarity) python script. My eye caught this gem of a paragraph toward the end of the article. Now

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Z15 EOM

2023-03-02 Thread Pommier, Rex
Actually IBM supports this and has a model of the DS8910F that is designed to fit in the 16U of free space in the BC z14 and z15 machines. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gorlinsky Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2023 8:53 AM To:

Re: Z15 EOM

2023-03-02 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 3/2/2023 6:29 AM, Joe Monk wrote: "The one rack z16 (aka Business Class) has not yet been announced," It already exists. See slide 91. https://ibm-zcouncil.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/z16-Technical-Overview-50M-KennyStine.pdf No. This is just a z16 (3931-A01) that fits in a single

Re: Z15 EOM

2023-03-02 Thread Paul Gorlinsky
Some of the configurations of the z/14-16 have enough room to put a "SMALL" DASD and VTA appliance in them ... I have seen third parties do this ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email

Re: Z15 EOM

2023-03-02 Thread Seymour J Metz
? © 2022 IBM CorporationIBM z16 Technical Overview_91 is "© 2022 IBM CorporationIBM z16 Technical Overview_91 IBM zSystems IBM z16 Configuration: PDU based single frame Rear View", not a rack-mounted version. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on

Re: Z15 EOM

2023-03-02 Thread P H
The slide 91 is NOT the z16 'mid-range/business class' system. Depending on the configuration the z16 'high end' system, as announced, comes in 1, 2, 3 or 4 racks.l! Sent from Outlook for Android From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread Paul Gorlinsky
I chose external for a reason... to my knowledge, the breaches occurred with the cooperation of internal staff either purposely or through negligence... Like RACF admins being lazy and putting things in WARN mode then forgetting about it...

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread David Crayford
Respectfully, I think your performance testing is hopelessly outdated. Starting a Java application server on z/OS takes a few seconds.  Starting DataStreamerApplication v1.1.5-SNAPSHOT using Java 1.8.0_351 on RSD6 with PID 33620928  No active profile set, falling back to 1 default profile:

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread Paul Gorlinsky
On newer machines there are specific mainframe firmware levels that should be kept in sync with the specific versions of the JRE ... otherwise ... the JRE takes a longer path -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Paul, You said: "...JAVA is a good example of this. The mainframe's JAVA runtime is written to exploit machine assists and hardware instructions that a PC doesn't have..." Every time I've watched mainframe Java since OS/90 V1, it has been painfully slow. Have you ever watched a WAS startup?

Re: Full TRAP feature support

2023-03-02 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 3/2/2023 1:04 AM, David Cole wrote: Hi Ed, WRT "ColeSoft acquired zDebug many years ago" I don't recall that we ever did that. We beta tested zDebug (from your old colleague Jeffrey Smith at Farsight Systems) back in 2004 and it was excellent. I remembered it being acquired by Cole not

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Paul, You said: "...where no externally security breach has occurred…" If you're saying that no mainframe has ever been hacked, I am certain that statement is not true. The one in particular which comes to mind, involved incompetent security admin staff, READ Access to the RACF Database and

Re: Z15 EOM

2023-03-02 Thread Joe Monk
"The one rack z16 (aka Business Class) has not yet been announced," It already exists. See slide 91. https://ibm-zcouncil.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/z16-Technical-Overview-50M-KennyStine.pdf Joe On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 7:45 AM Mike Shorkend wrote: > The one rack z16 (aka Business

Re: Full TRAP feature support

2023-03-02 Thread Steve Smith
I use z/XDC a lot, and I've had SET TRAP2 in my start-up script since I found out about it. It has worked seamlessly for me. The only visible difference is seeing x'01FF' at breakpoints rather than x'00'. And it's great that ZDC and other debuggers figured out how to exploit the facility. I'm

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread Paul Gorlinsky
IMHO … this is the classic PC v Mainframe programmer debate… The same people that said Mainframes would be gone … when 40-50% of the worlds core data is still in on a mainframe… where a small staff of Systems programmers can manage and support entire enterprises and yet thousands of PC techs

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread Rick Troth
On 3/2/23 05:49, David Crayford wrote: I think 99% of the folks on this forum want a language that can run in a TSO/ISPF environment hosted in PDS data sets. Lua can do that and it's orders of magnitudes faster then REXX with the advantage of package management. The next gen guys don't use

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread Paul Gorlinsky
I use ooRexx as an integrated procedural language within my mainframe FICON attached Virtual Tape Appliance. Why? Because it is the primary procedural language used by Systems Programmers on the mainframe. We can use a well architected interface and the ADDRESS construct to develop and select

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread David Spiegel
Hi David, You said: "... REXX is a niche language that's only used to any great extend on mainframes and it's popularity is constantly eroding. The mainframe needs to keep pace with the industry.  ..." 1) " used to any great extend on mainframes ..."Last time I looked, this is a MAINFRAME

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread David Crayford
On 2/3/23 21:30, René Jansen wrote: Not that anyone would do that, of course, being so much easier with ISPF and Rexx and their shared variable pool. I have built dialogs in COBOL and PL/1 but nothing beats Rexx for that, having not to VDEFINE everything first. That's subjective. I find it

Re: Z15 EOM

2023-03-02 Thread rpinion865
To coincide with the AI capabilities of z/OS 3.1, IBM will announce the HAL-9000 class machine. I know, IBM had the ES-9000's in the 90's. Sent with Proton Mail secure email. --- Original Message --- On Thursday, March 2nd, 2023 at 8:44 AM, Mike Shorkend wrote: > The one rack

Re: Z15 EOM

2023-03-02 Thread Mike Shorkend
The one rack z16 (aka Business Class) has not yet been announced,so I expect the z16+1 is still some time in the not so near future. Likewise the EOM for the z15. On Thu, 2 Mar 2023 at 15:34, Paul Gorlinsky wrote: > It should also be noted that the z14 is still a supported processor for > zOS

Re: Z15 EOM

2023-03-02 Thread Paul Gorlinsky
It should also be noted that the z14 is still a supported processor for zOS 3.1 ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: Full TRAP feature support [was: RE: Re: z/OS 3.1 Announcement US Letter]

2023-03-02 Thread Peter Relson
I agree with most of the sentiments expressed here. But that ship has sailed. And it is far from true that every operating system provides support for every hardware facility. Back when TRAP2 and TRAP4 were introduced (about 25 years ago), OS/390 development (it was pre-z/OS) was not even

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread Paul Gorlinsky
After watching this chain for awhile I have a couple of observations: 1) Not all compilers are equal in their tasks especially in the optimization area. Some are lazy and just convert the code to pseudo code and store it as an executable to remove one layer of processing. 2) The selection of a

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread René Jansen
On 2 Mar 2023, at 13:36, David Crayford wrote: > > On 2/3/23 19:48, René Jansen wrote: >>> I think 99% of the folks on this forum want a language that can run in a >>> TSO/ISPF environment hosted in PDS data sets. Lua can do that and it's >>> orders of magnitudes faster then REXX with the

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread Seymour J Metz
Reserved words? We don't need no stinking reserved words. That's one of the things I like about PL/I. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of David Crayford

Re: Z15 EOM

2023-03-02 Thread Eric D Rossman
First, let me say that I have NO inside knowledge. While it doesn't directly answer the question, the official IBM page for "IBM Z mainframe hardware product marketing and service life cycle history since 1994." can be found at https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/ibm-mainframe-life-cycle-history

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread Paul Gorlinsky
Due to shop standard constraints I end up writing a client and a server in COBOL for a state agency. Code is still in use after 15 years and has not required any maintenance. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread Seymour J Metz
A good compilers does, e.g., flow analysis, to optimize the generated code. It may be difficult to hand optimize well enough to beat a good compiler and still keep the code readable. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread David Crayford
On 2/3/23 20:57, Jay Maynard wrote: I haven't tried to write anything in Rexx, let alone a TCP server. I'd probably be inclined to use Go for that, though. JCL to Python: https://medium.com/theropod/the-journey-from-jcl-to-python-so-easy-even-an-old-mainframer-can-do-it-f088cc49366a Totally

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread Jay Maynard
I haven't tried to write anything in Rexx, let alone a TCP server. I'd probably be inclined to use Go for that, though. JCL to Python: https://medium.com/theropod/the-journey-from-jcl-to-python-so-easy-even-an-old-mainframer-can-do-it-f088cc49366a On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 6:54 AM David Crayford

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread David Crayford
On 2/3/23 20:43, Jay Maynard wrote: "The mainframe needs to keep pace with the industry." I certainly hope that whatever the industry is doing that gets adapted to the mainframe does so much more cleanly than, say, Python... Like what? Have you ever tried to write a TCP server in REXX? The

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread Jay Maynard
"The mainframe needs to keep pace with the industry." I certainly hope that whatever the industry is doing that gets adapted to the mainframe does so much more cleanly than, say, Python... The absolute abortion that is Python's idea of replacing JCL makes COBOL look like APL. On Thu, Mar 2, 2023

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread David Crayford
On 2/3/23 19:48, René Jansen wrote: I think 99% of the folks on this forum want a language that can run in a TSO/ISPF environment hosted in PDS data sets. Lua can do that and it's orders of magnitudes faster then REXX with the advantage of package management. The next gen guys don't use

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread René Jansen
> On 2 Mar 2023, at 11:49, David Crayford wrote: > > That shouldn't make any difference. SquareRoot is only called once. I had to > laugh when I noticed that it was implemented using Newton–Raphson in REXX. > How can a programming language not implement a sqrt() function? > You might want to

Re: Z15 EOM

2023-03-02 Thread P H
At the risk of stating the obvious, the date will be made known via an announcement letter. As yet I haven't seen one  z17?? Regards Parwez Hamid​ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tommy Tsui Sent: 02 March 2023 07:36 To:

Re: Hardware Collection

2023-03-02 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
Paul, I'd like to contact you, however I don't see your email address. Mine is: R.Skorupka (at) hotmail-dot-com Regarding CDs - would it be possible to share it using google drive, dropbox or other service? Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 02.03.2023 o 09:57, Paul Beesley

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread David Crayford
On 2/3/23 17:19, René Jansen wrote: Time for a new pc, I think. I installed numpy (which did not came standard) and I got I'm getting a m2 MacBook Pro (12-30) soon so I'll run it again and let you know. ➜ solution_3 git:(drag-race) ✗ python3 PrimePY.py Passes: 11241, Time:

Re: Hardware instrumentation presentation

2023-03-02 Thread Martin Trübner
Colin, you looking for a presentation on performance (to whatever level) or on hardware instrumentation service (the z/OS name - feature name: measurement and counter) There are a few I have seen/attended. So there are not IBM confidential and should be locatable on the net. About

Re: IBM's Fall From World Dominance

2023-03-02 Thread Dave Wade
On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 05:43:20 -0500, Bob Bridges wrote: >THAT's how that URL came across?! Maybe it'll survive better if I leave off >the "https": > > search.yahoo.com/?fr=altavista > adding the "fr=altavista" doesn't change the results, what you get is the answer according to Microsoft, or

Re: Mainframe REXX (Re: Badmouthing Rexx and ooRexx - again (Re: zOSMF and zOWE for non-mainframers

2023-03-02 Thread René Jansen
Time for a new pc, I think. I installed numpy (which did not came standard) and I got ➜ solution_3 git:(drag-race) ✗ python3 PrimePY.py Passes: 11241, Time: 5.000303332984913, Avg: 0.00044482726919179013, Limit: 100, Count: 78498, Valid: True and speaking about ooRexx, on my daily

Re: Full TRAP feature support

2023-03-02 Thread David Cole
Hi Ed, WRT "ColeSoft acquired zDebug many years ago" I don't recall that we ever did that. WRT "and incorporated much of that technology into z/XDC." I'm sure we never did that. z/XDC does have TRAP2 support, but we didn't implemented it until sometime in 2018. (Peter Morrison did the

Re: Hardware Collection

2023-03-02 Thread Paul Beesley
I think I have some Documentation CDs from the late 1990s looking for a new home. Contact me off-list of you're interested Best Regards Paul Days worked: Mon, Tue, Thu, Fri -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Radoslaw Skorupka Sent: 01 March 2023 22:32