Re: ransomware on z

Tony Thigpen wrote: > And, that I can agree with. Especially when the admin stores passwords >in their browser. Yes, but not required. If an attacker inserts a keylogger or gets an adequate view of the keyboard it's probably "game over." — Timothy Sipples Senior Architect Digital Assets,

Re: z/OS users

ref: Phil Smith III fyi - a quick check shows approx 200K users defined. Is that a big enough number? Regards Bruce -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

Perryman loses again. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 10:45 PM, Jon Perryman wrote: > On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 07:21:18 PM PDT, Bill Johnson wrote: > You’re really trying too hard to discredit me. Rather than trying to prove > your contention which you

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 07:21:18 PM PDT, Bill Johnson wrote: > You’re really trying too hard to discredit me. Rather than trying to prove > your contention which you can’t. Aw, you wound me. No need to discredit you since you didn't present any verifiable information and never show in

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

Can we stop this thread please?! Darren List Owner From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 9:20 PM To: list-ibm-main Subject: Re: The ultimate (another one!)

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

Bingo Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 10:19 PM, Mike Schwab wrote: They think the Burckle Crater, off Madagascar, was created by a meteor impact about 2860BCE and the tsunami and torrential downfall is the source of flooding legends around that time.  Impacted SE

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

You’re really trying too hard to discredit me. Rather than trying to prove your contention which you can’t.  Metz kicked your a** too. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 10:18 PM, Jon Perryman wrote: > On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 07:05:06 PM PDT, Bill Johnson

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

They think the Burckle Crater, off Madagascar, was created by a meteor impact about 2860BCE and the tsunami and torrential downfall is the source of flooding legends around that time. Impacted SE coast of South America, South Africa, Somalia, Pakistan, India, Indonesia, South and West coast of

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 07:05:06 PM PDT, Bill Johnson wrote: > My original post was from an expert on the topic. Via Google search. If he's an expert, then he will have quoted the dates for the events I mentioned. Don't include the word "expert" in your searches because random idiots

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

Nonsense. Religion. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 10:10 PM, David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Hi Bill, It's a free country and you can believe whatever nonsense you want. Regards, David On 2023-08-14 21:43, Bill Johnson

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

Hi Bill, It's a free country and you can believe whatever nonsense you want. Regards, David On 2023-08-14 21:43, Bill Johnson wrote: Extrapolating Adam/Eve are fictional so too are their children. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 9:42 PM, Bill Johnson

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

The Bible is 100% fiction. Christians have killed and molested more people than anyone. Pro life?  Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 10:04 PM, David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Hi Bill, You said: "...Noah never collected 2 of

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

My original post was from an expert on the topic. Via Google search. Bwa Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 10:03 PM, Jon Perryman wrote: > On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 06:40:44 PM PDT, Bill Johnson wrote: > Translation, can’t find any proof. Translation of the

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

Hi Bill, You said: "...Noah never collected 2 of every species. .." That is close to what the Bible says, but is inaccurate. Please see GE 7:2 (The verse says Noah was commanded to take 7 (possibly 14) of each species of "clean" animals. (The Hebrew word טְּהוֹרָ֗ does not translate to English.

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 06:40:44 PM PDT, Bill Johnson wrote: > Translation, can’t find any proof. Translation of the translation: Too stupid to do a simple web search. I gave you enough keywords yet you don't dispute anything.  What are you saying is wrong? On Monday, August 14,

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

Extrapolating Adam/Eve are fictional so too are their children. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 9:42 PM, Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Adam and Eve are fictional as well.  Historicity. While a traditional view was that the

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

Adam and Eve are fictional as well.  Historicity. While a traditional view was that the Book of Genesis was authored by Moses and has been considered historical and metaphorical, modern scholars consider the Genesis creation narrative as one of various ancient origin myths. Sent from Yahoo

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

Translation, can’t find any proof. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 9:36 PM, Jon Perryman wrote: > On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 04:43:19 PM PDT, Bill Johnson  wrote: > Prove it. Don't ask me to do a fools errand because you'll never trust any source I may

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 04:43:19 PM PDT, Bill Johnson  wrote: > Prove it. Don't ask me to do a fools errand because you'll never trust any source I may quote. You need to find sources you trust. What I'm finding is the first release of QDOS was delivered around July1980, IBM / Gates

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

Yes I do. It has also been seen as a depiction of nomadic conflict, the struggle for land and resources (and divine favour) between nomadic herders and sedentary farmers. The Academic theologian Joseph Blenkinsopp holds that Cain and Abel are symbolic rather than real. And Noah never collected

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

Hi Bill, You said: "... Cain & Abel which is fictional. ..." Do you have proof for this assertion? Regards, David On 2023-08-14 20:02, Bill Johnson wrote: I worked with many brilliant computer people over the years. I also worked with people like most of the usual posters here. People who got

Re: USS Features

> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 04:18:31 PM PDT, Grant Taylor wrote: > How did the business learn that Kubernettes could meet business needs, > much less decide that is what the business wanted to do without first > testing / evaluating it? > That initial testing of Kubernettes is the very type

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

DOS was Digital Research's CPM if I remember correctly. And so M/S renamed it to DOS. Then eventually they had to make changes for sub directories (originally it was a single directly level file system). I think it was Tandy that at their DOS 2.11 they had sub-directories (I was using the

Re: Please do not attack / insult each other.

> Please do not attack / insult each other. > > Let's instead have conversations where it's okay to disagree with each > other while still respecting each other and valuing each other's opinions. > > It's okay to disagree. > > It's not okay to insult the person that you disagree with. > I

Re: Help for US Talent

I get tons of emails from offshore recruiters. Some are geared toward my listed experience. But there are some that do not come close. The only thing that matches me is the state I live in. Sent from Proton Mail mobile Original Message On Aug 14, 2023, 7:32 PM, Bob Bridges

Please do not attack / insult each other.

Please do not attack / insult each other. Let's instead have conversations where it's okay to disagree with each other while still respecting each other and valuing each other's opinions. It's okay to disagree. It's not okay to insult the person that you disagree with. Grant. . . .

Re: USS Features

> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 03:36:47 PM PDT, Andrew Rowley > wrote: > where the storage admin has to be involved, but what is a reasonable value? This is z/OS with SYSPROGS, not Unix with sysadmins where programmers have full control to define reasonable. You keep asking the wrong

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

I worked with many brilliant computer people over the years. I also worked with people like most of the usual posters here. People who got into IT because they were white and breathing. Many from the military. Ask 10 posters here a question and you get 4-5 different answers and every poster

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

Prove it. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 7:36 PM, Jon Perryman wrote: > On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 04:03:04 PM PDT, Bill Johnson  wrote: > A year later, fledgling company Microsoft purchased exclusive rights to sell > QDOS, renamed MS- > DOS, to IBM for their

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

English major you aren’t. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 7:34 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: Way to miss the point Bill. Do you write programs that miss out things because they can be easily found on the internet? On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 6:23 AM Bill Johnson <

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

A bigger head beats a bigger mouth every time. Johnson by name Johnson by nature. Yeah, I found this on the internet too: Noun[edit ] *johnson* (*plural* *johnsons *) 1. (slang

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 04:03:04 PM PDT, Bill Johnson  wrote: > A year later, fledgling company Microsoft purchased exclusive rights to sell > QDOS, renamed MS- > DOS, to IBM for their newly developed IBM-PC. IBM signed their contract with Microsoft in 1980 which happens to be 7 months

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

Way to miss the point Bill. Do you write programs that miss out things because they can be easily found on the internet? On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 6:23 AM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >

Re: Help for US Talent

I haven't had any recruiters ask me about forklifts, but yeah, I do get some that just match me up with "something computer-related" and contact me about that. But it occurs to me belatedly that you're talking about phone calls. I don't know what you and I are doing differently, but most

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

https://www.itprotoday.com/compute-engines/windows-nt-and-vms-rest-story Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 7:17 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: Windows NT came from the VAX guys, I think. On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 6:15 AM Wayne Bickerdike wrote: > > > *The facts.

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

Those aren’t the facts according to me. They are just the facts. Easily attainable via the internet. But, I understand you guys prefer to see who has the bigger head. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 7:16 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: *The facts. According to Bill

Re: USS Features

On 8/14/23 4:30 PM, Jon Perryman wrote: We don't ask people to follow blindly. Instead, we don't give them another option. JCL, VSAM, availability to specific products and more ensure you are choosing wisely. Kurbernettes containers, cloud and more are implemented by sysprogs in a manner that

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

Windows NT came from the VAX guys, I think. On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 6:15 AM Wayne Bickerdike wrote: > > > *The facts. According to Bill Johnson.American computer programmer Timothy > Paterson, a developer for Seattle Computer Products, wrote the original > operating system for the Intel

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

*The facts. According to Bill Johnson.American computer programmer Timothy Paterson, a developer for Seattle Computer Products, wrote the original operating system for the Intel Corporation’s 8086 microprocessor in 1980, initially calling it QDOS (Quick and Dirty Operating System), which was soon

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 03:15:12 PM PDT, Grant Taylor wrote: On 8/14/23 3:16 PM, Bob Bridges wrote: > My hang up is that -- as I understand it -- DOS was /never/ IBM's to start > with. > DOS was /Microsoft's. Again, if you want some insights, you can watch  

Re: z/OS users

Bank tellers do log on when they start work. Most of these scenarios require a unique ID and if they hand over for breaks, they log off and a relief teller will log on with a different ID. There is generally a "supervisor" override. It used to be a physical key they inserted and the teller

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

The facts. American computer programmer Timothy Paterson, a developer for Seattle Computer Products, wrote the original operating system for the Intel Corporation’s 8086  microprocessor in 1980, initially calling it QDOS (Quick and Dirty Operating System), which was soon renamed 86-DOS. A year

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

IBM never showed enough interest or vision in microcomputer futures. I quit IBM in 1979 to work with some former colleagues on microcomputer software development. My IBM manager would have walked me if I had been joining a competitor. This was the rule of the day. He said to me, "I don't ever see

Re: Help for US Talent

On 8/14/23 3:23 PM, Bob Bridges wrote: Am I missing something? Why the interest in making life hard for recruiters? Ok, I'm a contractor so my continued employment depends on their existence. Still, why? Recruiters aren't a problem if they are /good/ recruiters. As in they pay attention

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

Perhaps he was referring to OS/2? Microsoft and IBM collaborated for a while. Thanks …….Cameron From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 6:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe I

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

I dunno. Jon Perryman said they had DOS and they let it go to Microsoft during other negotiations; I just took it from there. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* You might be a physics major if, when your professor asks you where your homework is, you claim

Re: USS Features

On 14/08/2023 3:30 pm, Jon Perryman wrote: > On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 04:33:24 PM PDT, Andrew Rowley wrote: It comes back to the question I asked earlier - how much space is it reasonable to use *to do your job* before you have to get the storage admin involved? Since you put it that

Re: USS Features

, I had boss or two in my first thirty years (not all by any means) who would occasionally say "Now, Bob, I want you to do this task, but I don't want you to write a program to do it - just do it". From this you would be justified in surmising that I like programming, and often write something

Re: Help for US Talent

Best bit of recruiter trolling I heard of was when Dylan Beatie created the Rockstar programming language :-) Roops On Mon, 14 Aug 2023, 20:52 Steve Beaver, < 050e0c375a14-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Every time a recruiter calls me I have a sure way get rid of them and >

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

On 8/14/23 3:16 PM, Bob Bridges wrote: I sort of agree, but I think underneath we still disagree. I agree that IBM didn't think the PC software was worth developing. And if they had held onto MS-DOS and approached its development in the same way that Microsoft did, sure, they'd probably be

Re: USS Features

> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 06:34:35 AM PDT, Grant Taylor wrote: >> On 8/14/23 12:54 AM, Jon Perryman wrote: >> You're confusing z/OS with Unix where all programmers are >> systems programmers who can do anything they want. > No, I'm not confusing z/OS with Unix. > I'm speaking

Re: z/OS users - State Farm

For a long time, every State Farm office had an 'unattended VSE' system running on a PC370/PC390. They were pulled out late '80s / early '90s. I remember when the number of installed VSE sites took a nose-dive due to these removals. There was a lot of 'neat' things removed from VSE

Re: z/OS users

Matt Hogstrom wrote: >I guess it all comes down to what is the OP trying to determine and >the use of "Users" is ambiguous if you're really counting people >impacted. A fair question. It's nothing very specific-more just a sense of "How many people CAN/DO log onto TSO in your shop these days?"

Re: ransomware on z

And, that I can agree with. Especially when the admin stores passwords in their browser. Tony Thigpen Timothy Sipples wrote on 8/14/23 12:51 AM: Responding primarily to Tony, I'll just say that when an adversary (internal or external) gains control over the PC that the privileged storage

Certificate labels

Way back 15+ years ago, when we were first porting our product to z/OS, we had to implement a transport provider, since there was no curl for z/OS at the time (or if there was, there was some reason we couldn't use it-I forget, but since several of our other platforms use it, I'm pretty sure we

Re: USS Features

Jon, maybe you didn't mean to but this is a bait-and-switch. You baited them with "...for more control". When Mr Spiegel questioned that and asked for specifics, you offered something else entirely: Unix is more challenging, and there was a claim that it's superior. --- Bob Bridges,

Re: Help for US Talent

Am I missing something? Why the interest in making life hard for recruiters? Ok, I'm a contractor so my continued employment depends on their existence. Still, why? If I thought that you normally work under those conditions - $125/hr or outside the US half the time - then of course you're

Re: USS Features

"Is it a non-west-coast specific mentality to ignore reality? Is COBOL bringing in top computer professionals because of the challenges it poses? " How about the prestigious Schools telling their students that COBOL is a dead or dying language? And indicating that Mainframes are obsolete

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

I sort of agree, but I think underneath we still disagree. I agree that IBM didn't think the PC software was worth developing. And if they had held onto MS-DOS and approached its development in the same way that Microsoft did, sure, they'd probably be worth bazillions. (Probably. I suppose

Re: Help for US Talent

Very funny, until they go back to their CIO and say, "This platform is getting way too expensive. Time to look at SAP on x86 again." On 8/14/2023 12:52 PM, Steve Beaver wrote: Every time a recruiter calls me I have a sure way get rid of them and increase what they need to pay. They ask

Re: Help for US Talent

I ask them, as a US citizen with a legal residence in the State of Tennessee, may I work remotely, outside of the USA for at least six months a year? I usually never hear from them again. Sent from Proton Mail mobile Original Message On Aug 14, 2023, 3:52 PM, Steve Beaver

Help for US Talent

Every time a recruiter calls me I have a sure way get rid of them and increase what they need to pay. They ask me if I'm Steve, and I say yes Then I tell them "Are you calling me with a job that pays $125/HR W2 or $210,000 perm?" You hear them fade or die on the other end then I hang

Re: USS Features

> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 03:37:18 AM PDT, Lionel B Dyck > wrote: > I’ve never heard that before in my 50+ years I'm surprised that people don't hear about these skills gaps when they are mentioned every couple years.

Re: USS Features

> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 03:09:33 AM PDT, David Spiegel wrote: > You said: "...Programmers leave z/OS for Unix in order to be in full control.  > I have not once heard any  programmer leave for more control. > Could this be a west-coast specific mentality? ... It would not be surprising.

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 06:56:39 AM PDT, Bob Bridges > wrote: > Wait, MS-DOS is what you were talking about, before?  You're suggesting that > if IBM had hung on to  > MS-DOS at the time, they would now be worth bazillions instead of Microsoft? I'm saying that if IBM retained control

Re: z/OS users

> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 07:14:36 AM PDT, Phil Smith III > wrote: > How many users do sites typically have these days? > In 1986, University of Waterloo had over 20,000 VM users z/OS is a server and as such, user counts are often irrelevant. TSO, IMS, Unix and CICS can have associated

Re: z/OS users

Never thought about any of that. Since COVID this client has a lot more remote workers (as a contract worker I've been remote for the last decade and a bit more); does that imply anything? Probably not; Backhoe Bob would mess something up on the grounds of the HQ itself, and if he brought the

Re: z/OS users

Reasonable. As a security geek, I tend to think of "users" as anyone who has an ID on the mainframe. If a back end pulls information on its own authority, then thousands of users can use it and it's still just one (high-volume) ID. But if, as sometimes happens, the back-end app logs each

Re: z/OS users - State Farm

I had an abbreviated contract at State Farm in [checks his records] the spring of 2006; they hired me as a RACF analyst, so I was all TSO there. No idea about other platforms. I just remember boggling at them having more than a hundred LPARs and I forget how many hard-drive units. --- Bob

Re: z/OS users

On 8/14/23 9:55 AM, Bob Bridges wrote: If we're limiting the count to on-line in-house users - I'm talking about TSO, CICS etc - I suspect State Farm might have a thousand users logged on at a time (that's a massive system) but a few hundred is more usual in the companies I've worked for.

Re: z/OS users

I can find out, if I remember to ask: Two of my sons have worked as tellers. Neither of them happen to be at hand just now, but maybe soon I'll think to ask one of them. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* If there is anything dumber than giving a cigarette to a

Re: z/OS users

No clue. I never worked as a teller either and don’t know anyone who did. I suspect bank service reps (the ones who open or close your accounts or deal with other account issues) probably do logon, along with their managers, but I am also ignorant of the daily operation of those jobs. I do

Re: z/OS users

I guess it all comes down to what is the OP trying to determine and the use of “Users” is ambiguous if you’re really counting people impacted. Matt Hogstrom “It may be cognitive, but, it ain’t intuitive." — Hogstrom > On Aug 14, 2023, at 11:18 AM, Farley, Peter >

AMATERSE has a neat trick.

AMATERSE has a neat trick. If you omit the member name in a PDS, AMATERSE will zip down The PDS or PDSe Steve -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: z/OS users

Fair enough. And what about the tellers? I ask in simple ignorance, never having been one myself; do they log on to a mainframe ID at the beginning of their shift? --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* In order to write for "The A-Team", you'd have to be a much better

SFTP and FIPSMODE

At my new job, I'm going to be implementing FIPSMODE for SFTP (SFTP was implemented by someone else). If anyone has gone through the process, I would like to hear how things went for you and any do's, don'ts, or gotchas you would be willing to share. Thanks, Mark Regan, K8MTR General, EN80tg

Re: z/OS users

ATM's (and other IOT's like cash register subsystems, etc.) aren't "logged on" per se, AFAIK. I believe that those are transactional accesses, one to check user PIN/Password/authorization of the card, another for each money withdrawal/deposit/transfer/etc. I don't believe they are actively

Re: z/OS users

If we're limiting the count to on-line in-house users - I'm talking about TSO, CICS etc - I suspect State Farm might have a thousand users logged on at a time (that's a massive system) but a few hundred is more usual in the companies I've worked for. Currently I have an insurance company as my

Anther definition of Mainframe

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Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

Never forget the lawsuit the government filed against IBM in 1969 that was dropped in 1982. It severely damaged IBM & hindered their attempts to dominate the PC business. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 9:56 AM, Bob Bridges wrote: Wait, MS-DOS is what you were

Re: Dfsort Overlay error

Thanks a lot Kolusu. Sorry i didn't articulate what is documented in the user guide in the right way . Anyway thanks again for all the help .. Regards Ron T -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,

z/OS users

In another thread, Jon Perryman wrote, in part: >[You're] on a multi-million dollar computer shared by thousands. Pure curiosity here: Without getting into any theology about futures, or that obviously a single, relatively small app or even database could be used in some sense by thousands of

Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe

Wait, MS-DOS is what you were talking about, before? You're suggesting that if IBM had hung on to MS-DOS at the time, they would now be worth bazillions instead of Microsoft? --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* ...Flippancy builds up around a man the finest armour

Re: USS Features

On 8/14/23 12:54 AM, Jon Perryman wrote: You're confusing z/OS with Unix where all programmers are systems programmers who can do anything they want. No, I'm not confusing z/OS with Unix. I'm speaking agnosticly about any OS that will run on the platform; z/OS, VM, z/TPF, or even Linux.

Re: USS Features

I’ve never heard that before in my 50+ years. Lionel B. Dyck < Website: www.lbdsoftware.com Sent from my iPhone 12 Pro Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation merely what others think you are." - John Wooden > On Aug 14, 2023, at 5:09 AM,

Re: USS Features

Hi Jon, You said: "...Programmers leave z/OS for Unix in order to be in full control. Why do you think it's difficult to get z/OS programmers. ..." I've been doing MVS Systems Programming  for 40+ years and have not once heard any  programmer leave for more control. Could this be a west-coast