Re: Certificate problem

2022-09-08 Thread Phil Smith III
Attila Fogarasi kindly replied suggesting a case problem, which I'm perfectly willing to believe but don't have any idea how to verify. Nothing LOOKS off. Meanwhile, some more digging suggests that it may be that the error message is actually correct and clear, FSVO clear! If I run openssl

Certificate problem

2022-09-07 Thread Phil Smith III
I'm getting this trying to use a self-signed certificate. I put it into gskkyman and when I try to connect (outbound from z/OS) I get Certificate validation error from GSK_SECURE_SOCKET_INIT. Running a gsktrace shows: 09/07/2022-17:30:14 Thd-1 ERROR check_cert_extensions_3280_and_later(): Basic

Re: IBM-MAIN Digest - 25 Aug 2022 to 26 Aug 2022 (#2022-235)

2022-08-29 Thread Phil Smith III
Seymour J Metz wrote: >Influence for Waterloo? Eh? If you mean UofW, no, there was never any 3270 emulator development there. I worked there 1980-86, and managed to leave at the peak of the mainframe there-dumb luck. It was gone soon after. SimWare (Sim3270) and UofW worked together,

Re: Micro Focus bought by Open Text.

2022-08-27 Thread Phil Smith III
Argh, forgot to fix subject, resending. Tony Harminc wrote, re Hummingbird: >Which, iirc, was the TN3270 program developed at McGill U. by Pierre >Goyette. And QWS3270 came from Queens', no? Interesting that two of the (many, Many, MANY!) 3270 emulators came from Canadian universities...

Re: IBM-MAIN Digest - 25 Aug 2022 to 26 Aug 2022 (#2022-235)

2022-08-27 Thread Phil Smith III
Tony Harminc wrote, re Hummingbird: >Which, iirc, was the TN3270 program developed at McGill U. by Pierre >Goyette. And QWS3270 came from Queens', no? Interesting that two of the (many, Many, MANY!) 3270 emulators came from Canadian universities...

Re: Once upon a time......

2022-08-21 Thread Phil Smith III
Charles wrote, in part: Although, isn't @Dave's idea more or less what IBM has done with AI and the z16? Coupled specialized processors to a Z? >Although, isn't @Dave's idea more or less what IBM has done with AI and the >z16? Coupled specialized processors to a Z? Seems like it, though I'm

Re: Once upon a time......

2022-08-21 Thread Phil Smith III
Dave Jones wrote about attaching GPU cards to a Z to make it a super-number cruncher. What's the problem you're trying to solve? Cheap Intel MIPS being too inexpensive? Seriously, I've never heard anyone say "I'd put this numeric-intensive application on zSystems but they're just too slow".

Re: Looking for old (fake) humorous IBM password memo

2022-08-03 Thread Phil Smith III
There's this. Logon Process Update April 1, 2022 With the recent spate of supply-chain cyberattacks, the U.S. National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has issued new guidelines to secure computer system access. Previous recommendations included use of randomized,

Re: Looking for old (fake) humorous IBM password memo

2022-08-03 Thread Phil Smith III
Colin Paice wrote: >I remember one test team with a shared userid. They had a scheme where >you incremented the month so JAN became KBO, etc. and had 4 rules. When I >asked how they remembered the password they said look on the top of the >white board, there is a 10 character string. The

Re: Mainframe outage affecting W.Va. state agencies could take 48, 72 hours to resolve

2022-07-28 Thread Phil Smith III
Bob Bridges wrote: >Belated comment: I got a couple of laughs out of this post originally, but it might be well to realize that these stories are not of failures. This is why we do DR tests. It'd be a failure if you have an actual D and found you couldn't R. True dat. Back in the day

Re: And it's not even Friday

2022-07-28 Thread Phil Smith III
Robert Prins wrote: >https://ibmmainframes.com/viewtopic.php?t=68675 That's pretty good. I'm'a try it on a few of my younger colleagues, see if they get it-betting they don't. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive

Re: Mainframe outage affecting W.Va. state agencies could take 48, 72 hours to resolve

2022-07-28 Thread Phil Smith III
A friend told me a story about a large NY financial institution whose name rhymed with Sterile Finch. They were doing a big offsite DR test. Lots of prep, including two sets of tapes, driven in two separate trucks. Trucks arrive at loading dock to pick up the tapes. Turns out the two drivers

Re: "Mainframe outage affecting W.Va. state agencies could take 48, 72 hours to resolve"

2022-07-26 Thread Phil Smith III
Rex Pommier wrote: >"move it to the cloud and that'll fix all our problems." >Maybe, just maybe, if your government would have allowed your IT department the resources to maintain your systems you never would have hit this fiasco in the first place? Yes, I used to work for a state

Re: VM: redefine virtual storage from an EXEC

2022-07-17 Thread Phil Smith III
Seymour J Metz wrote, re XEDIT reading commands: >Not so; the behavior depends on the LINERD options. Sorry, no-XEDIT uses what it uses. You don't have any control over LINERD options when using XEDIT. You were asking "Which component recognizes the '#' or the '15'x? CP or VM (or XEDIT)?",

Re: VM: redefine virtual storage from an EXEC

2022-07-16 Thread Phil Smith III
Dave: I stand (well, sit) corrected! I would have sworn I'd read the full-screen CMS was being removed a while ago. .phsiii ("Senility-not just a river in Africa") -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: VM: redefine virtual storage from an EXEC

2022-07-15 Thread Phil Smith III
Seymour J Metz wrote: > The relevant statement is "Which component recognizes the '#' or the '15'x? CP or VM (or XEDIT)?". XEDIT can run in either line mode or full screen; in neither case is the CMS command line relevant. Your distinction, while reasonable, turns out to be a distinction

Re: VM: redefine virtual storage from an EXEC

2022-07-14 Thread Phil Smith III
Seymour J Metz wrote: >Isn't that true only for line mode? Yes, as I said, "if you type DEF STOR 16M#IPL on the CMS command line". Fullscreen environments are not the CMS command line. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: VM: redefine virtual storage from an EXEC

2022-07-14 Thread Phil Smith III
Paul Gilmartin wrote: >Which component recognizes the '#' or the '15'x? CP or VM (or XEDIT)? CP. But if you type DEF STOR 16M#IPL on the CMS command line, then CP splits it into two lines that CMS sees, so the IPL gets lost. If you do CP DEF STOR 16M#IPL, same thing. If you do #CP DEF STOR

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: FedEx to move entirely to the cloud [Internal]

2022-07-13 Thread Phil Smith III
Karl S Huf wrote: >I would refer anyone genuinely interested in sibling pend to download and review Dr. H. Pat Artis's "Sibling Pend: Like a Wheel Within a Wheel" 1996 CMG paper (available to download at Dr. Pat's site http://www.perfassoc.com ). Thanks! I had seen that link but wasn't sure I

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: FedEx to move entirely to the cloud [Internal]

2022-07-08 Thread Phil Smith III
Dave Barry wrote: >No surprise. FedEx announce years ago that they were getting off the mainframe "next year." What, you expected them to do it OVERNIGHT? I'm here all week. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: FedEx to move entirely to the cloud [Internal]

2022-07-08 Thread Phil Smith III
Yeah, that "savings" seems unlikely given cost of cloud usage. But as someone noted, OpEx vs. CapEx, plus folks moving on before the excrement hits the rotating object, could explain it all. Rex Pommier wrote, in part: > I finally got a physical drive mapping from them and discovered it was

Re: Looked at Destination Z lately?

2022-07-01 Thread Phil Smith III
As others have observed, Wayback Machine showed it as redirecting to IBM as of a year ago March; next snapshot was in the fall and it was borked. BUT the registration has not changed, so that makes me think it's been pwned and nobody noticed. I reported this to IBM yesterday when Gabe found it. No

Interesting PR move

2022-06-30 Thread Phil Smith III
But good stuff: IBM opens school program for Mi'kmaw students in Cape Breton https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/ibm-opens-school-for-mikmaw-stude nts-1.6206261 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: Debit vs Credit card for cash at ATM? [was: RE: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with IBM and AWS]

2022-06-20 Thread Phil Smith III
Bob Bridges wrote: >It was at length, wasn't it? Sorry, I just felt I had to explain how I got >into the weird habit. Oh, sorry-my "at length" wasn't a snide remark: it was a notation that I was brutally trimming your post! Trying to find the sweet spot between excessive quoting (looking at

Re: Debit vs Credit card for cash at ATM? [was: RE: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with IBM and AWS]

2022-06-19 Thread Phil Smith III
Bob Bridges wrote at length, ending with: >.I simply put a >few thousand on the card, as though it was a pre-paid. The credit limit is >back up to a usable level now, but I'm still in the habit: I keep a >negative balance on the card. >Yeah, yeah, I know they're profiting from

Re: Debit vs Credit card for cash at ATM? [was: RE: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with IBM and AWS]

2022-06-17 Thread Phil Smith III
Peter Farley wrote: >Curious - How do you get cash at an ATM directly from your checking or savings account without a bank debit card? Right, your ATM card is a debit card. The question is typically whether you use it as PIN debit, as signature debit, or only as an ATM card. Signature

Re: FTP Software for Mainframe to PC

2022-06-10 Thread Phil Smith III
Lizette wrote: > Just looking to create a list of software that does FTP from the mainframe >to the PC But then started with IND$FILE. At the risk of being called pedantic (not the first time), that's not FTP. If you mean "file transfer", sure. And add Kermit to the list (mostly kidding, I

Re: Encrypted dataset - any eye catcher?

2022-06-09 Thread Phil Smith III
Thanks! Now that I know it's AES-XTS it's easy to find more. (I suppose I could have searched for every AES mode, but that would have taken years and cost millions of lives.) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: Encrypted dataset - any eye catcher?

2022-06-08 Thread Phil Smith III
Radoslaw's question makes me ask a pure curiosity question: what AES mode is used by z/OS data set encryption? I Googled but all I found was "256-bit AES", which doesn't answer the question. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe /

Re: Don't feed the trolls

2022-06-08 Thread Phil Smith III
Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: >To be honest, I've been using Thunderbird and its predecessors for ~25 >years. In parallel I'm used to be forced to use Outlook as well >(corporation rules). >There are two things I consider *much, much better* in TB when compared >to Outlook: >1. Message filtering. >2.

"A Rexx" (or "A REXX")

2022-06-07 Thread Phil Smith III
NOT interested in arguing about what’s “correct”, just curious about possible theories here. I started using Rexx (then REXX) on CMS (VM/SP) when it was released to the external world in 1982 on CMS. At the time, we already had EXEC and EXEC 2, and programs written in those were always

Re: Don't feed the trolls

2022-06-06 Thread Phil Smith III
Paul Gilmartin wrote: >>Ah. This list I get digested; the one I was tinkering with uses Sender and >>From, >>where From is the list address. Lots of ways to skin this cat. >That feels wrong: >: > The originator fields indicate

Re: Don't feed the trolls

2022-06-06 Thread Phil Smith III
Ed Jaffe wrote: >From: should be what you want. When I look at the mail headers from your >post to which I am responding, I see: Ah. This list I get digested; the one I was tinkering with uses Sender and From, where From is the list address. Lots of ways to skin this cat. My only problem

Re: Don't feed the trolls

2022-06-06 Thread Phil Smith III
Outlook's junk filtering has "block sender", but I just did some experimenting with list postings (another list) and it didn't block Senders, just From. Microsoft has a history of not understanding the Sender/Reply-To/From hierarchy.

Re: What is SUBCOM?

2022-05-07 Thread Phil Smith III
Alan Altmark wrote, in part: >I'm curious if you can issue EXECIO or SUBCOM at the TSO command line. Well, of course you can issue it, but: READY subcom mvs COMMAND SUBCOM NOT FOUND READY

Re: The z/Architecture Principles of Operation and z/Architecture Reference Summary have been updated for the z16 (3931). Note that these pubs are on ResourceLink and are not yet available on the Publ

2022-05-06 Thread Phil Smith III
Thanks, Jim. Jeez Louise, the PofOp is 2,124pp and the "green card" is 118pp! (Yes, still in green card-sized pages.) I wonder if this is still purchasable in print format, and if it's coil-bound or perfect-bound if so. Not that I'm about to buy a copy. We're a long way from the green card,

Re: SAF without an ESM

2022-05-05 Thread Phil Smith III
Alan Altmark wrote, in part: >it should attempt to engage a human. So your program calls some system interface, SAF gets involved, responds "Your call is very important to us.please hold for the next available agent."? /s --

Re: SDSF - ISPF questions (wishes?)

2022-05-05 Thread Phil Smith III
Shmuel wrote: >The correct way to determine whether you are in SDSF is presumably ISFQUERY; definitely not SUBCOM. OK, I can believe that, though I sure don't understand it. I would have thought that if the subcommand environment was available, that was what you wanted to know; clearly

Re: SDSF - ISPF questions (wishes?)

2022-05-04 Thread Phil Smith III
Shmuel wrote: >From z/OS 2.5 TSO/E REXX Reference, SA32-0972-50: >"You can use the SUBCOM command in REXX execs that run in any address space, TSO/E or non-TSO/E. >That is, SUBCOM is available from the TSO and MVS host command environments." Oh. Well, Rob had written: >When invoked

Re: SDSF - ISPF questions (wishes?)

2022-05-04 Thread Phil Smith III
Rob Scott wrote, in part: > If this does not help you solve the problems, please open a case with IBM and our support will help debug. OK, thanks. I can't open a case as we don't have that kind of access as an IBM Dallas customer. That APAR really shouldn't be suggesting ISFMIGRL when it

Re: SDSF - ISPF questions (wishes?)

2022-05-04 Thread Phil Smith III
Oops, when I said it was a Googlewhack I meant to add that the lone hit *is* this APAR. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: SDSF - ISPF questions (wishes?)

2022-05-04 Thread Phil Smith III
Peter Farley wrote: >I see the "local workaround" in that APAR says this: >>As a work-around, the SDSF special DD ISFMIGRL can be >>allocated to avoid this problem. >Maybe that's the solution? Maybe; I missed it because it's meaningless as written. Just define a dummy DD*? Or what? Googling

Re: SDSF - ISPF questions (wishes?)

2022-05-04 Thread Phil Smith III
Rob Scott wrote: >Try adding the following lines to your test exec after the ISFCALLS statement : >Rc=ISFQUERY("INIT") >Say "Prefix="isfprefix " Owner="isfowner " Dest="isfdest " JES="isfjesname But when I do so, those variables do not get set: /* REXX */ arg j rc = isfcalls('ON') rc

Re: SDSF - ISPF questions (wishes?)

2022-05-03 Thread Phil Smith III
OK, Lionel figured it out, as did some folks here-adding: isfprefix = '*' Fixes it. That's weird, since it's a Rexx variable-I would have expected a subcommand to SDSF to be needed. But it works, so yay! SET DISPLAY ON shows: PREFIX=** DEST=(ALL) OWNER=* SORT=CrDate/A SYSNAME=

Re: SDSF - ISPF questions (wishes?)

2022-05-03 Thread Phil Smith III
Forgot to add-Lionel does not seem to be having this problem. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: SDSF - ISPF questions (wishes?)

2022-05-03 Thread Phil Smith III
Lionel and I have been communicating about his very nice SDSFXDD, because it wasn't working for me. For me it only finds jobs whose jobname starts with your userid. If I have jobs in O queue: NP JOBNAME JobIDOwnerPrty C FormsDest Tot-Rec PHS1 JOB04436

Re: Marx Zelden - IPLINFO utility

2022-04-26 Thread Phil Smith III
Oops. Wrong list! RACF not IBM-MAIN. From: Phil Smith III Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2022 2:39 PM To: ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Marx Zelden - IPLINFO utility This is a pointless discussion. Protecting this storage will break myriad programs, and adding a subsystem or service

Re: Marx Zelden - IPLINFO utility

2022-04-26 Thread Phil Smith III
This is a pointless discussion. Protecting this storage will break myriad programs, and adding a subsystem or service to provide controlled access would be a huge undertaking, both for IBM to implement and for customers and ISVs to use. I would predict that even if IBM did it, people would turn it

Re: Use of zCX

2022-04-26 Thread Phil Smith III
The LINUX-390 list is also archived, of course: https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-390@vm.marist.edu/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message:

Re: Use of zCX

2022-04-26 Thread Phil Smith III
I'm compelled to note that all of the discussion of third-party product availability, difficulty (or not) of porting, etc. has been rehashed over the last 20 years on the LINUX-390 list. That doesn't mean it's not a valid discussion, just that joining that list will likely get more detailed

Re: TLS 1.3 support

2022-04-25 Thread Phil Smith III
Charles wrote: >In the program API to SystemSSL? Yes, GSK. >If so that is how earlier similar version flags worked. Enable meant enable, >not require. Thanks. That's the only sane way to do it, of course, but you never know what someone will have thought was the Right Approach!

TLS 1.3 support

2022-04-25 Thread Phil Smith III
For IBM, really: if we turn on the GSK flag that says "Enable TLSv1.3", and someone runs the cold on an older z/OS that doesn't support TLS 1.3, it won't throw an error, right? I'm pretty sure I remember this from previous TLS upgrades but wanted to be sure. If so, that's GOOD design, thank you!

Re: Use of zCX

2022-04-22 Thread Phil Smith III
David Crayford wrote: >Don't mean to put you on the spot Phil, but can you elaborate? Is there >a big drop off in Linux on Z users? Did the poster children move to x86 >systems? Well, the several examples I can think of moved the workload elsewhere, presumably to x86. I hate to be negative

Two job postings!

2022-04-22 Thread Phil Smith III
The Voltage group at Micro Focus seeks to fill two z/OS positions: * one developer (assembler, C, C++) * one QA person (CI, Robot Framework, Rexx, etc.) to support Voltage SecureData z/Protect, our z/OS encryption server (STC). I have more detail on skills but those are high-level

Re: Use of zCX

2022-04-21 Thread Phil Smith III
That's a nice, positive view, Matt. Still doesn't quite make sense to me yet, but I'm willing to believe it. Not convinced it made sense as a use of very limited resources at this stage of the game, though. Linux on Z in general seems to be fading, which makes me very sad: several of the poster

Re: Use of zCX

2022-04-21 Thread Phil Smith III
Gil asked: >What incremental skill set is required for the respective alternatives? >I once inquired on another form whether a VM LPAR only for Linux >might be administered with no CMS skill required. Alan Altmark > (IIRC) answered, neither practical nor desirable in view of the >superiority of

Re: Use of zCX

2022-04-21 Thread Phil Smith III
>It likes a LOT of real memory and it appears that the running instance consumes the full amount of real memory allocated to it for the duration, making it unavailable to zOS for paging or any other use. Well, sure-that memory use is Linux caching files in memory. This has all been explored,

Re: "The Computers Nobody Wanted"

2022-04-15 Thread Phil Smith III
eral arts", generally including creative arts, writing, philosophy, and humanities. The focus was text processing. His ARTS198 class had assignments like "Given a list of names: Phil Smith Bob Bridges etc., convert it to Smith, Phil Bridges, Bob and then sort it by last name (wi

Re: "The Computers Nobody Wanted"

2022-04-15 Thread Phil Smith III
ng for Arts Students, who were a LOT better-looking than their Math and CS compatriots. -Original Message- From: Mike Cairns Sent: Friday, April 15, 2022 3:06 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU; Phil Smith III Subject: Re: "The Computers Nobody Wanted" That's a brilliant read

Re: "The Computers Nobody Wanted"

2022-04-14 Thread Phil Smith III
Paul Gilmartin wrote: >For me, it was broken on the UA LISTSERV website and in >Mac Mail.app. The raw source shows: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >... > > http://worrydream.com/refs/Strassmann%20-%20The%20Computers%20Nobody%20Wante

Re: "The Computers Nobody Wanted"

2022-04-14 Thread Phil Smith III
? My link worked fine as sent, both at my end and in Gmail. Gil, your client seems to be breaking QPed lines?! Anyway, yours works too! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

"The Computers Nobody Wanted"

2022-04-14 Thread Phil Smith III
http://worrydream.com/refs/Strassmann%20-%20The%20Computers%20Nobody%20Wante d.pdf This is sort of interesting, starting at bottom of PDF page 10, "The IBM 360 Promises". A different view on the 360 from the one we grew up with; reality is presumably somewhere in the middle. (And how did I

Re: IBM Deceived Investors

2022-04-09 Thread Phil Smith III
Wayne Bickerdike wrote: >Hmm. Sanjay Kumar did some serious jail time for fiddling the books. Steve >Richards was sent to a dangerous max-security prison. I'd forgotten about Richards, though when I went to refresh my memory I found that Wikipedia seems to dispute your "max-security"

Re: z16 video

2022-04-06 Thread Phil Smith III
Matt Hogstrom wrote: >What was odd to me was that at one point he said SYSPLEX and the caption indicated CICSPlex which doesn't seem like a transcription error since the capitalization is correct and he didn't say "KicksPlex" Yes, I had been thinking that. The only way I can see this

Re: PL/I question

2022-03-28 Thread Phil Smith III
Thanks for the hints folks suggested. It turns out that the PL/I preprocessor does make this easy, via something like: %Dcl Forn Char; %if Uppercase(Dyn) = 'YES' %then %do ; %Forn = ', fetchable'; %end; %else %do; %Forn = ''; %end; Then you just include the Forn variable in the

Re: z/PDT

2022-03-27 Thread Phil Smith III
Peter Farley wrote, in part: >IMHO, a justifiable fear of size and ferocity of the legal army at IBM should provide the needed incentive to DTRT for most above-board Learners Edition users As an early manager once told me, "IBM's lawyers can beat up our lawyers", so yeah. And anyone needing

Re: PL/I question

2022-03-22 Thread Phil Smith III
Shmuel wrote: > There was mention of a possible need for two versions, and I was just pointing out that you can have a single source file that generates two different versions of the object code. Oh. There might be a need for two versions of the *include* file; not sure whether that can be

Re: PL/I question

2022-03-22 Thread Phil Smith III
Bob Bridges wrote: > PL/1 was my first language. Only it's "PL/I". "Programming Language/One", but "PL/I". Just sayin'. It actually might have been PL/C on that Xerox 530. S long ago. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe /

Re: PL/I question

2022-03-22 Thread Phil Smith III
Bob Bridges wrote: >Wait, it's "sexist" to distinguish between the beauty of female Arts students and of female computer-science students? They're both female, so that can't be sexist. >(Belatedly) Oh, you mean "...had no idea what they were doing with computers". But we don't know whether

Re: PL/I question

2022-03-22 Thread Phil Smith III
Shmuel wrote: > When I need the ability to compile two different versions of something, I use compile time logic. The macro languages for both PL/I and HLASM are sophisticated enough to do fancy tailoring. Thanks, but what does this have to do with the question? There's ONE version, which can

PL/I question

2022-03-21 Thread Phil Smith III
I have a function that can be statically or dynamically linked. Currently the function definition in an include file is [something like]: Declare SOMEFN External('SOMEFN') Entry( Char(*) byaddr, ) returns( byvalue Fixed Bin(31) ) options (

Re: Fussy forms (was: ZAD ...)

2022-03-01 Thread Phil Smith III
Gil wrote, in part: >Or a credit card space-separated in groups of four. (The field is >only 16 characters.) Yeah, just dumb. -1 for the limitation; -10 when they don't tell you before you enter it; -100 when they don't tell you AFTER you enter it and make you guess. There are plenty of

Re: APAR closures

2022-03-01 Thread Phil Smith III
Ah, RET sounds like what I was (mis?)remembering as IDOC: RET - Returned to the user for more documentation Note that the page is not 100% correct (and yes, I saw its disclaimer), as it says: FIN - Fixed in next release and we all know that's "Fixed IF next release" because IBM does not

Re: APAR closures

2022-03-01 Thread Phil Smith III
Bill Johnson wrote: > https://www.mainframes.com/Apar.html Thanks, that helps. It doesn't include statuses like IDOC, however-I guess that's not a closure, maybe? But it must be: "I had this ABEND, cannot reproduce, have no dump". I guess that could be

APAR closures

2022-03-01 Thread Phil Smith III
Anyone got a complete list of APAR close statuses? Offhand I can think of things like FIN, IDOC, PTF (I think). I know there are more. It works, no point in reinventing that wheel. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive

Re: AUXLIST (was XEDIT equivalent to ISPF C - OO/OO (copy overlay))

2022-02-28 Thread Phil Smith III
Shmuel wrote: >Your guess is worth what I paid for it. I started on the 3277 back when the competition was the 2260 and am at home with 3270 data streams. >What you wrote was "this will mean a new application *cannot* use existing hardware,", which isn't even close to saying that you need

Re: AUXLIST (was XEDIT equivalent to ISPF C - OO/OO (copy overlay))

2022-02-27 Thread Phil Smith III
Shmuel wrote: >It's in reference to the fact that after I repeatedly asked why you believed that it would cause problems for existing displays, and after it explained that it wouldn't, you simply repeated the same baseless claim. That's very different from not liking dual paths, which you never

Re: AUXLIST (was XEDIT equivalent to ISPF C - OO/OO (copy overlay))

2022-02-27 Thread Phil Smith III
Shmuel wrote: >Whoosh! I'm going to assume that's in reference to your sending a blank reply rather than an appalling lack of comity. >The whole point of Read Partition Query is so that software can detect what features are supported. Had IBM implemented a Start Fiewld Contifuous buffer

Re: AUXLIST (was XEDIT equivalent to ISPF C - OO/OO (copy overlay))

2022-02-25 Thread Phil Smith III
Shmuel wrote: >Huh? Where does "the image won't fit on a 24x80 screen" come from? >Supporting new device capabilities does not mean that old devices are unsupported. ISPF supports, e.g., colors, but it works on a 3277 as well as it ever did. Had IBM done as I suggest, there would not have

Re: AUXLIST (was XEDIT equivalent to ISPF C - OO/OO (copy overlay))

2022-02-24 Thread Phil Smith III
Shmuel wrote: >Memory was less expensive when the 3278 and 3279 came out, and optionally inserting character attributes would not have been a major redesign. The addition of extended attributes (SA orders) would have been the plausible time. In fact, those are so close to this that it MUST

Re: AUXLIST (was XEDIT equivalent to ISPF C - OO/OO (copy overlay))

2022-02-24 Thread Phil Smith III
Paul Gilmartin wrote: >But it's overdue for the ISPF and XEDIT designers to do what ISPF promised >never to do: introduce support for curses/terminfo-based terminals. Most >desktops have those nowadays. Not sure how that would work, since it's a 3270 data stream. Would mean a HUGE rewrite,

Re: AUXLIST (was XEDIT equivalent to ISPF C - OO/OO (copy overlay))

2022-02-24 Thread Phil Smith III
Paul Gilmartin wrote: >Bad definition. XEDIT shouldn't entice users to enter data that >t won't "take". The field should have the read-only attribute. >Is there any rationale for making it writable? Well, it's not a separate field: this is 3270, so there would be an attribute byte on the

Re: AUXLIST (was XEDIT equivalent to ISPF C - OO/OO (copy overlay))

2022-02-24 Thread Phil Smith III
Shmuel wrote: >I would argue that multiple edits that are part of a single enhancement belong in a single checkin. For context, this is based on using a home grown IDE that timestamped changed lines, solicited and formatted change descriptions, and generally did the grunt work to have a good

Re: XEDIT assembler continuation lines

2022-02-23 Thread Phil Smith III
Seymour J Metz wrote: >With Trunc 71 and Verify 1-72, text won't inadvertently spill over from comments into the continuation column. You can still key a character into column 72. Nope. Well, you can key it, but it won't "take". That's part of the definition of TRUNC.

Re: XEDIT assembler continuation lines

2022-02-23 Thread Phil Smith III
Binyamin Dissen wrote: >Hope that I am not doing too many newbie questions. I did a lot of VM in the >80s, including mods to CP and CMS, but either my memory isn't good or things >changed quite a bit. No such thing as "too many" REAL questions (not "Do my homework for me"!) >Why is

Re: AUXLIST (was XEDIT equivalent to ISPF C - OO/OO (copy overlay))

2022-02-23 Thread Phil Smith III
Paul Gilmartin wrote: >I had a disappointment with XEDIT Update mode: If I touch >a line; have second thoughts and restore it, even by an >immediate ERASE EOF, it puts the line needlessly in the >Update file. Working in a cooperative development project, >I resorted to using basic XEDIT and

Re: XEDIT equivalent to ISPF C - OO/OO (copy overlay)

2022-02-21 Thread Phil Smith III
I think I misread the requirement. Try this version, which also handles block commands. /* PREFIXO K -- Kopy prefix subcommand O -- Overlay prefix subcommand OO -- Overlay block prefix subcommand Designed to be used with: COMMAND SET PREFIX SYNONYM K PREFIXO COMMAND

Re: XEDIT equivalent to ISPF C - OO/OO (copy overlay)

2022-02-21 Thread Phil Smith III
Tony Harminc wrote: > I use it all the time to put change markers on new lines. Of course with a >decent TN3270 program you can probably just as easily copy & paste them in >at that level. Ah! Of course that explains why I never wanted it for that purpose with XEDIT, where the SIDCODE can be

Re: XEDIT equivalent to ISPF C - OO/OO (copy overlay)

2022-02-21 Thread Phil Smith III
Binyamin Dissen wrote: >I am referring to the function where you type C on a line that has the overlay >data and then OO/OO on the group of lines that you wish to overlay. The only >dependence on the data on the OO lines is that it will not replace a >non-blank. I've used XEDIT since it

Re: RFE: FTP should supply additional error information for TLS issues

2022-02-20 Thread Phil Smith III
Frank Swarbrick wrote: >https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rfe/execute?use_case=viewRfe _ID=154167 Frank, without necessarily disagreeing with your RFE myself, note that there is a theology in security that you err on

Fwd: Log4j hearing: 'Open source is not the problem'

2022-02-14 Thread Phil Smith III
While clearly closed source is no more likely to be randomly secure than open source, the fact that the source is available for open source (by definition!) does perhaps change the equation a bit. The question I have ZERO data to answer is: Are more vulnerabilities found by attacking the

Re: "Stacking" AT-TLS on HTTPS

2022-01-28 Thread Phil Smith III
Anyone know the mechanism for saving session keys on z/OS? I've searched but "session", "key"/"keys", and "session key"/"session keys" are terrible search terms, find way too many noise hits. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff

Re: "Stacking" AT-TLS on HTTPS

2022-01-28 Thread Phil Smith III
Tony Harminc wrote: >What you can do, regardless of whether you *think* you're using AT-TLS >or not, is to get the socket status using ioctl() with one of the >SIOCTTLSCTL requests. This can tell you all kinds of stuff, but most >basically you can see if the connection is secured (or will be

Re: "Stacking" AT-TLS on HTTPS

2022-01-28 Thread Phil Smith III
Grant Taylor wrote: >I would expect that steps #2 and / or #3 would have different values for >nonces / ephemeral keys between on each end of the connection and that >this would be visible if you got deep enough into the TLS debugging. Yes, I would assume so. And we were headed that way: we

Re: More of LOG4J

2022-01-28 Thread Phil Smith III
David Crayford wrote: >It's company policy where I work to perform code scans using Synopsis >tools such as Black Duck and Polaris. These tools scan for license >issues, vulnerabilities, compliance etc. Polaris is so sophisticated >it flagged a violation because it had detected I was using an

"Stacking" AT-TLS on HTTPS

2022-01-27 Thread Phil Smith III
I recently spent a bunch of time with a customer who was having trouble connecting to our appliance from z/OS. They were getting error 410, "SSL message format is incorrect". curl was failing too, and it doesn't even use System SSL. After much tinkering, looking at PCAPs, tracing on z/OS,

Re: More of LOG4J

2022-01-26 Thread Phil Smith III
Kirk Wolf wrote: > Sorry, I agree that the entirety of what you wrote was more balanced. I reacted (poorly) to this part: "Same with open source: using random code from an unknown author would have been unthinkable; now it's common." >I don't think that this is common. Mostly projects use

Re: More of LOG4J

2022-01-26 Thread Phil Smith III
Kirk Wolf wrote: >Is that really what you think is going on? >The economics of open source are about *reuse*. The overwhelming majority of software these days is built with it for that reason. Good developers are very careful about what open source that they use.Good companies have

Re: How many userids?

2022-01-25 Thread Phil Smith III
Well, clearly my impressions of userid counts were way low-glad I asked! So what are these used for? Does every employee have an ID just in case? If so, what percentage likely use them (low, I assume)? Or are they mostly functional userids, used to run specific jobs/jobsets? The reason I'm

Re: LISTSERV Noise?

2022-01-25 Thread Phil Smith III
There is an old standard that a line comprising: hyphen hyphen space linend means "start of signature" and well-behaved MUAs clip starting there on reply. Outlook doesn't support this (makes sense, since it uses top-posting, which I maintain makes sense in a corporate environment, though like

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