Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT?

ay 23, 2018 3:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT? On Wed, 23 May 2018 18:55:21 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >The CDS may have been an equivalent to a target zone, but not to the entire >CSI. You won't get very far without

Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT?

AIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Jesse 1 Robinson <jesse1.robin...@sce.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 5:30 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT? Pre-E SMP consisted entirely of PDS--PO because PDSE had not been

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z http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Mike Hochee <mike.hoc...@aspg.com> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 12:18 AM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: [External] Old School Maintenance P

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Edward Gould <edgould1...@comcast.net> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 11:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT? > On May 23, 2018, at 2:13 PM, Gerhard Adam <gada...@charter.net> wrote: > > SMP was available

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On 18May23:2100-0700, Gerhard Adam wrote: > I personally used SMP in 1975 on a S/360 running MFT. And as I said initially, I learned it on MVT (about a year later than Gerhart). And I am very glad I missed pre-SMP OS/360 maintenance. -- May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly!

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Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 12:00 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT? I personally used SMP in 1975 on a S/360 running MFT. Sent from my iPhone On May 23, 2018, at 8:29 PM, Edward Gould <edgould1...@comcast.net>

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I personally used SMP in 1975 on a S/360 running MFT. Sent from my iPhone On May 23, 2018, at 8:29 PM, Edward Gould wrote: >> On May 23, 2018, at 2:13 PM, Gerhard Adam wrote: >> >> SMP was available in MVT and MFT. It did not begin with MVS > >

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> On May 23, 2018, at 2:13 PM, Gerhard Adam wrote: > > SMP was available in MVT and MFT. It did not begin with MVS I beg to differ. But I was new to the job and our senior sysprog did maint with another IBM program (which I do not remember but it was NOT SMP but something

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robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 12:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT

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ua.edu> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 3:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT? On Wed, 23 May 2018 18:55:21 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >The CDS may have been an equivalent to a target zone, but not to the entire >CS

Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT?

On Wed, 23 May 2018 18:55:21 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >The CDS may have been an equivalent to a target zone, but not to the entire >CSI. You won't get very far without a PTS and ACDS. > SMP/E for z/OS IBM User's Guide SA23-2277-30 ... appears to say otherwise: The consolidated software

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va John (Al) <ajn...@ufl.edu> > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 2:50 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu > Subject: Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT? > > Yes, that was my mistake, I should have said the predecessor to the CSI was > the CDS, a PD

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edu> on behalf of Nims,Alva John (Al) <ajn...@ufl.edu> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 2:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT? Yes, that was my mistake, I should have said the predecessor to the CSI was the CDS, a

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> On May 23, 2018, at 9:08 AM, David L. Craig wrote: > >> >> Not sure how long ago eons was, but I started in the >> mid-80s on MVS/SP and at my first SMP/E (and I believe >> only) class, I was taught the APPLY / run for a while / >> ACCEPT usage - except for USERMODs or

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-1298 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 2:40 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT? On Wed, 23 May 2018 11:05

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On Wed, 23 May 2018 11:05:29 -0700, Gerhard Adam wrote: >I think the reference may have been to the older SMP CDS which played the role >of the current CSI > The rumor I heard (I wasn't there) is that, prior to VSAM, SMP used a PDS directory as a makeshift data base. Names of members (which

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PM Subject: Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT? ObNewbie That was before MVSCP. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of

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<gada...@charter.net> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 2:05 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT? I think the reference may have been to the older SMP CDS which played the role of the current CSI Sent from my iPhone > On May 23,

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t; > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 1:11 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu > Subject: Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT? > > CSI not VSAM ? > > > Carmen Vitullo > > - Original Message - > > From: "Alva John Nims (Al)" &l

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To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT? Ah yes, the SYSTEM GEN - MVSCP Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Seymour J Metz" <sme...@gmu.edu> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, May 23,

Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT?

<cvitu...@hughes.net> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 1:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT? CSI not VSAM ? Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Alva John Nims (Al)" <ajn...@ufl.edu> To: I

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tware.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 1:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT? In my SysProg days (70s - 80s), I would ACCEPT maintenance, but only after we had run it for a while. PUT maintenance was relegated to weeke

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; East Campus > P.O. Box 112050 > Gainesville, FL. 32611 > (e) ajn...@ufl.edu > (p) (352) 273-1298 > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of David L. Craig > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 10:09

Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT?

iginal Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of Gerhard Adam Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 11:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT? I also don't recall a "nev

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so happy when SMP v4 came out.  Bill Hitefield -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of Gerhard Adam Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 11:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Phil

Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT?

CSI not VSAM ? Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Alva John Nims (Al)" <ajn...@ufl.edu> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 12:00:11 PM Subject: Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT? " I learned t

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Ah yes, the SYSTEM GEN - MVSCP Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Seymour J Metz" <sme...@gmu.edu> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 11:54:31 AM Subject: Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT?

Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT?

018 10:09 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT? On 18May23:1247+, Pommier, Rex wrote: > > Not sure how long ago eons was, but I started in the mid-80s on MVS/SP > and at my first SMP/E (and I believe > only) class, I w

Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT?

itullo <cvitu...@hughes.net> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 10:15 AM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT? I'm so glad I did not have to use/work with SMP, I've heard the war stories and I think the backup everyone philosop

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I also don't recall a "never ACCEPT" policy. That would be silly because it becomes a "never RESTORE" policy. Sent from my iPhone > On May 23, 2018, at 7:08 AM, David L. Craig wrote: > >> On 18May23:1247+, Pommier, Rex wrote: >> >> Not sure how long ago eons was, but

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saved my A$$ a couple times Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "David L. Craig" <dlc@gmail.com> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 9:08:45 AM Subject: Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT? On 1

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On 18May23:1247+, Pommier, Rex wrote: > > Not sure how long ago eons was, but I started in the > mid-80s on MVS/SP and at my first SMP/E (and I believe > only) class, I was taught the APPLY / run for a while / > ACCEPT usage - except for USERMODs or APARs that hadn't > had a published PTF

Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT?

- Original Message - From: "Rex Pommier" <rpomm...@sfgmembers.com> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 7:47:15 AM Subject: Re: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT? Ed, Not sure how long ago eons was, but I started in the m

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Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ed Jaffe Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 3:28 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Old School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT? z/OS Sysprogs, ISTR a maintenance philosophy from "eons" ago where