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W dniu 24.05.2023 o 11:03, David Crayford pisze: On 21/5/2023 1:51 am, Tom Brennan wrote: I'm not talking about 20 years ago. You said, "Walmart used to have multiple mainframes" Implication:  They currently have only 1 or zero. That's not the case, and I think you would be surprised at the

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This is interesting, even for software jocks like me. But I take time to notice also, with some amusement, the slanted language toward Apple and away from Intel and AMD. Calling it "conflict" when he means Intel and AMD might do it differently, for example. Still interesting. --- Bob

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This story seems fitting to the topic: https://mediacenter.ibm.com/media/How+Citi+drives+sustainability+with+IBM+LinuxONE/1_gfbe560d On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 9:02 AM Tom Marchant < 000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On Wed, 24 May 2023 18:17:14 +0800, David Crayford >

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On Wed, 24 May 2023 18:17:14 +0800, David Crayford wrote: >It is undeniable that systems built with sufficient redundancy can achieve >99.999% We've come a long way. I've recently looked into the history of SHARE and the IBM 704. "In its day, the 704 was an exceptionally reliable machine.

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Interesting! I hadn't even considered machines outside the USA. I was on site when the current machines were implemented in their main USA datacenters. But there are also a lot of others at various locations. One bit of trivia: That trip will probably be the last time I get to see external

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My primary concerns around the idea of "the 9's". It is undeniable that systems built with sufficient redundancy can achieve 99.999% availability without a single point of failure on a single system. z/OS is renowned for its fault tolerance in both the hardware and software realms.

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On 21/5/2023 1:51 am, Tom Brennan wrote: I'm not talking about 20 years ago. You said, "Walmart used to have multiple mainframes" Implication:  They currently have only 1 or zero. That's not the case, and I think you would be surprised at the count. I can make an educated guess at two: one for

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ww.theregister.com/2020/11/19/apple_m1_high_bandwidth_memory_performance/ > > > > > > > >> -- > >> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > >> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > >> > >> > >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LIST

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mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Steve Thompson [ste...@wkyr.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2023 1:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Architectural questions [WAS: Are Banks

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-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Steve Thompson [ste...@wkyr.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2023 1:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Architectural questions [WAS: Are Banks Breaking Up With Mainframes? | Forbes] I'm not asking about cache lines, necessarily. With the G3 chip set

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Thompson [ste...@wkyr.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2023 1:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Architectural questions [WAS: Are Banks Breaking Up With Mainframes? | Forbes] I'm not asking about cache lines, necessarily. With the G3 chip set, as I recall, it had 256 byte wide cache lines

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I'm not asking about cache lines, necessarily. With the G3 chip set, as I recall, it had 256 byte wide cache lines, and CPU <-> C-store was using a 256 byte bus while the IOPs <-> C-store were using a 64 byte bus. What makes one system faster than the other has to do with clocking and bus

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I did check the writer. I know he’s with IBM. I also know that 8 9’s is true as was 5 9’s. I also know that the mainframe is growing via multiple sources. Idiot. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, May 23, 2023, 11:41 AM, Tom Brennan wrote: "It’s always a good idea to check who

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Redpaper: https://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpapers/pdfs/redp5705.pdf Abstract: In the recent Application modernization on the mainframe IBM Institute for Business Value study, among the surveyed, 71% of executives say that mainframe-based applications are central to their business strategy. As

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"It’s always a good idea to check who wrote the piece and whether they have a bias. (Or financial interest)" Bill Johnson - 5/19/2023 On 5/23/2023 8:19 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: I remember a while ago I mentioned the mainframe guaranteed 5 9’s of availability and some here mocked me. 99.999

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I remember a while ago I mentioned the mainframe guaranteed 5 9’s of availability and some here mocked me. 99.999 had been true for quite some time. Now it’s 8 9’s. (99.99) of uptime per year. No other platform comes close. Like I’ve said dozens of times, the mainframe is growing & will be

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This post from Ross is a must read for this topic: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/results-mainframe-application-modernization-migration-ross-mauri/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

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I’ve just realised that I was confused. Steven, can your confirm that that bus width between the memory controller and CPU was 256 bytes (not bits)? On a G3 9672? > On 23 May 2023, at 8:48 am, David Crayford wrote: > > Good question. By bus size I'm assuming that your referring to

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Good question. By bus size I'm assuming that your referring to cache-lines? I wonder how much of a difference that makes with OOO pipelines? What I can confirm is that my new Arm M2 MacBook Pro which has a 32-byte cache-line sizes absolutely smashes my AMD Ryzen 5 in Cinebench benchmarks. On

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In early 2017 a z13s I worked with was delivered to San Diego USA, all the way from Singapore! I asked what was going on, and the answer was simply that Poughkeepsie was too busy. I remember viewing a map from the shipping company showing its path across the Pacific :) On 5/22/2023 2:07 PM,

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W dniu 22.05.2023 o 15:48, Bob Bridges pisze: Wait, did I misunderstand this? People buy their first mainframe and run Linux on it?! (Color me ignorant, but I've always thought of OMVS as a late add-on.) Yes, definitely. In Poland we have at least two such new users, one of them agreed to

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Timothy, Can you share some examples of "first in country" new customers? It need not to be company name, but IMHO the country is not matter of contract privacy. It is especially interesting for me because I used to collect information about mainframe installation in "not so big" countries and

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Huge hack in Australia. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-27/latitude-far-worse-cyberhacking-almost-8-million-people/102141364 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, May 22, 2023, 7:52 AM, David Crayford wrote: On 22/5/2023 1:26 pm, Attila Fogarasi wrote: > Good point about

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On Fri, 19 May 2023 15:13:54 -0400, Mark Regan wrote: >https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesfinancecouncil/2023/03/31/are-banks-breaking-up-with-mainframes/?sh=acb458b6bccc >

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OMVS may have been a Johnny came lately, but Linux is a different code base. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bob Bridges Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 9:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Are Banks Breaking Up With Mainframes

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Wait, did I misunderstand this? People buy their first mainframe and run Linux on it?! (Color me ignorant, but I've always thought of OMVS as a late add-on.) --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? / Why, if it prosper, none

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All good data … what is lacking on the mainframe IMHO is a modernized approach to configuration and management. Not speeds and feeds inasmuch as getting people onboarded to keep feeding the system. There are improvements but culturally customers struggle with significant enhancements like new

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I have a question about these systems, both z and not z. What is the current bus width supported? At the G3 level for "z" the CPU-RAM bus was 256 bytes wide, as I recall. For IOP to RAM it was 64 bytes wide. For the systems I run (off the shelf stuff for Linux and windows) the bus is still

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Good point. I'm out. On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 8:13 AM Jay Maynard wrote: > Get a room, you two. > > On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 7:10 AM zMan wrote: > > > Right, but there are other facilities, and the article isn't about > > mainframes, it's about AI and chips in general. RIF. > > > > On Sat, May

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Get a room, you two. On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 7:10 AM zMan wrote: > Right, but there are other facilities, and the article isn't about > mainframes, it's about AI and chips in general. RIF. > > On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 11:18 PM Bill Johnson < > 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>

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Ah, right, a few Linux on Z customers, sure. That's...different, and Linux on Z has, alas, kind of withered of late. I had great hopes for it in the early 2000s, but so many of the poster-children have abandoned it (Nationwide, for one). It's not dead by a long shot but doesn't seem to be the

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Right, but there are other facilities, and the article isn't about mainframes, it's about AI and chips in general. RIF. On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 11:18 PM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > lol, did you read the article? The Hudson Valley and Poughkeepsie are >

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On 22/5/2023 1:26 pm, Attila Fogarasi wrote: Good point about NUMAand it is still a differentiator and competitive advantage for IBM z. How is NUMA a competitive advantage for z? Superdomes use Intel UltraPath Interconnect (UPI) links that can do glueless NUMA. IBM bought Sequent 20+

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Good point about NUMAand it is still a differentiator and competitive advantage for IBM z. IBM bought Sequent 20+ years ago to get their excellent NUMA technology, and has since built some very clever cache topology and management algorithms. AMD has historically been crippled in real-world

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Sent again in plain text. Apple mail is too clever for it’s own good! > On 22 May 2023, at 12:46 pm, David Crayford wrote: > > > >> On 21 May 2023, at 12:52 pm, Howard Rifkind wrote: >> >> Hundreds of PC type servers still can’t handle the huge amount of data like >> a mainframe can. > >

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Thanks Tim. I suspected new customers were buying mainframes and I was waiting for confirmation from someone like you who knew. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, May 21, 2023, 9:29 PM, Timothy Sipples wrote: Yes, there are brand new customers buying their first mainframes. IBM

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Yes, there are brand new customers buying their first mainframes. IBM periodically discloses this basic fact. Sometimes I'm personally involved, sometimes when it's a "first in country" situation. (First in country?!? Yes, really.) And sometimes I have personal knowledge of other new mainframe

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Greetings, everything has an ax to grind. Basic PC architecture still doesn’t have the capability to handle massive amounts of data fast like a new Z does. Some where behind the cloud is solid ground that stores all that wonderful data. I tell my children that the world is still waiting for

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A huge chunk of Fortune 500 companies use mainframe systems, at least 71%. Credit transactions heavily rely on sophisticated mainframe systems. Globally 90% of credit card transactions happen on mainframe systems. Worldwide, mainframe systems handle 68% of information technology workloads.Dec

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Growth isn’t even in doubt. Dude, you didn’t even know Poughkeepsie was in the Hudson Valley. Where IBM is investing 20 billion. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 10:58 PM, zMan wrote: Nothing here says it's investing in POK, or in mainframe technology. RIF. And

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lol, did you read the article? The Hudson Valley and Poughkeepsie are where IBM has most of their mainframe engineering and manufacturing. Poughkeepsie is in the Hudson Valley. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 10:58 PM, zMan wrote: Nothing here says it's investing

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Nothing here says it's investing in POK, or in mainframe technology. RIF. And the tired stats about 71% of Fortune whatever using mainframes may or may not be current, and don't prove anything about growth. All you have to do is be awake to see that it's fading. Not fast--nobody thinks it's dead

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IDK, if POK is shrinking, why is IBM investing 20 billion there? https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/central-ny/news/2022/10/05/ibm-to-announce-tech-investment-during-biden-visit Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 7:04 PM, zMan wrote: Note that "fewer mainframes"

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Far fewer sites? Where’s your proof? Show some numbers. No new installations?  Name some new companies big enough to compete with the large retailers, airlines, insurers, health care, and other large mainframe based companies? 71% of Fortune 500 companies use a mainframe. Fact, mainframe

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Maybe my smiley should have been a sad face ! :( > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of zMan > Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2023 4:04 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Are Banks Breaking Up With Mainframes? | Forbes >

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Note that "fewer mainframes" doesn't refer to fewer boxes. It refers to far fewer SITES. Yes, there's consolidation in some industries; there still aren't any NEW sites. You assert "IBM keeps new customers under wraps" but if you talk to IBMers, there aren't any to keep under wraps. More wishful

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Of course, it's my fault. We should all listen to you carefully and ignore the real world. I bet you even won some kind of TV contest. Wow! On 5/20/2023 11:10 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: Lol, read & comprehend. You forgot this part. Selective comprehension. “Because the mainframe has evolved,

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think you are.” - - - John Wooden -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Beverly Caldwell Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2023 3:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Are Banks Breaking Up With Mainframes? | Forbes Sounds like the 'Mainframe is Obsol

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Sounds like the 'Mainframe is Obsolete' gang is back. More wishful thinking. On Sat, May 20, 2023, 10:58 AM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Opinions are wrong more often. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 11:03 AM, Mike

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> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of zMan > Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2023 10:36 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Are Banks Breaking Up With Mainframes? | Forbes > All valid points but not addressing: > When

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The facts are readily available. Mainframe growth is undeniable. And will be for decades to come. Will weak banks foolishly buy what airline magazines are selling? Of course. Bad decisions are made in the business world daily. Ms Hovsepian should be more concerned with her company (Microfocus

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Lol, read & comprehend. You forgot this part. Selective comprehension.  “Because the mainframe has evolved, they need fewer mainframes to perform Walmart’s growing business.” Insinuating is a fool’s proposition. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 1:51 PM, Tom

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IBM keeps new customers under wraps. Fewer guys/gals like us are necessary. Automation is making us obsolete. Each iteration of the mainframe causes the need for fewer of them. But MIPs are still growing rapidly.

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I'm not talking about 20 years ago. You said, "Walmart used to have multiple mainframes" Implication: They currently have only 1 or zero. That's not the case, and I think you would be surprised at the count. On 5/20/2023 10:31 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: I’ll guarantee the current count is less

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Bill, you said "bull", which I misunderstood to mean that you disagree. But the article you posted in support of that opinion (or whatever it is) doesn't contradict the OP's article. I'm just guessing here, but maybe you've been arguing with those mainframe-is-dying folks so long that you no

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All valid points but not addressing: When was the last time a new mainframe customer joined this list? Why are the parking lot and floor in POK empty all the time? And when was the last time you heard about a new, strategic mainframe application? (Hint: Not even within IBM.) On Sat, May 20, 2023

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Not to mention the consolidation within industries. There are far fewer airlines than 20 years ago. Far fewer banks too. Fewer retailers. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 1:17 PM, Tom Brennan wrote: Used to have multiple mainframes?  You might be surprised at the

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I’ll guarantee the current count is less than 20 years ago. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 1:17 PM, Tom Brennan wrote: Used to have multiple mainframes?  You might be surprised at the current count.  But like any good company, they are always looking for cost

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Used to have multiple mainframes? You might be surprised at the current count. But like any good company, they are always looking for cost savings, depending on the risk of course. On 5/20/2023 9:49 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: Walmart used to have multiple mainframes. Because the mainframe has

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Walmart used to have multiple mainframes. Because the mainframe has evolved, they need fewer mainframes to perform Walmart’s growing business. Also need fewer mainframe support personnel. Does that mean the mainframe is not growing? Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, May 20, 2023,

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Mainframes are used by 71% of Fortune 500 companies. More specifically, these companies use IBM Z systems.Nov 16, 2022 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 11:17 AM, zMan wrote: Alas, this is patently false. The number of MIPS may be growing, but the number of boxes,

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Are PC’s dying too? Worldwide PC shipments totaled 55.2 million units in the first quarter of 2023, a 30% decrease from the first quarter of 2022, according to preliminary results by Gartner, Inc.Apr 11, 2023 How about laptops? Laptops (a category that excludes tablets) were the worst hit,

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Opinions are wrong more often. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 11:03 AM, Mike Schwab wrote: >Tracking the years 2022 – 2029 Once you get the data, please publish a report.  Forecasts are often widely wrong. On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 9:27 AM Bill Johnson

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Alas, this is patently false. The number of MIPS may be growing, but the number of boxes, shops, and applications is clearly dropping. When was the last time a new mainframe customer joined this list? Why are the parking lot and floor in POK empty all the time? I sure wish it wasn't so, but all

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>Tracking the years 2022 – 2029 Once you get the data, please publish a report. Forecasts are often widely wrong. On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 9:27 AM Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > Bull. >

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The mainframe is dying crowd has been crowing that idiocy since the 90’s. I’ve had numerous arguments with them for 30 years. The mainframe is growing not shrinking. Some opinion piece from a company whose business is dependent on taking it from the mainframe has a definite financial bias. 

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Bull.  https://www.flynetviewer.com/blog/20220922/global-mainframe-market-projected-grow-318-billion-2029 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 4:03 AM, Jack Zukt wrote: Whatever the agenda of the writer, it still is something that is happening, mostly, I think,

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Whatever the agenda of the writer, it still is something that is happening, mostly, I think, because of IBM's SW pricing strategy. Regards Jack On Fri, May 19, 2023, 20:14 Mark Regan wrote: > >

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Typical. 80% *wrote something*. That remains me "how many banks are using Windows NT". A lot. It was ~25 years ago. However they'd been using Windows NT ...but not for core banking systems. Now banks *consider* moving *some* workload to the cloud. Cloud? What does it mean? Just someone else's

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Monica Hovsepian is the Global Financial Services Lead at OpenText. Opentext is the recent buyer of Microfocus who was sued by IBM for trying to reverse engineer IBM software. It’s always a good idea to check who wrote the piece and whether they have a bias. (Or financial interest) Sent from

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesfinancecouncil/2023/03/31/are-banks-breaking-up-with-mainframes/?sh=acb458b6bccc _id=54716d118b ​Regards, Mark Regan, K8MTR