Re: Forbes: IT Professionals Don't Have What The Tech Industry Wants

2015-07-09 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 8736691671845630.wa.butler.jongmail@listserv.ua.edu, on 07/01/2015 at 09:36 AM, Jon Butler butler@gmail.com said: The real problem, IMHO, is that management is interested in the bottom line...can you say H1B...and nothing else. There's more than one bottom line. The flight magazine

Re: Forbes: IT Professionals Don't Have What The Tech Industry Wants

2015-07-06 Thread Ed Finnell
Maybe Shane's asleep. I was doing 'automation' for a shipping company and we were OK on technical side but were having trouble finding IT people with good crossover skills. Anyway long story short Mgmt put out a job opening in trade papers for a good salary and benefits. Guy they hired had

Re: Forbes: IT Professionals Don't Have What The Tech Industry Wants

2015-07-06 Thread John McKown
Well, I can't sleep. So I'll put in my small change. What IT management wants is what the truly powerful people (the 0.5% who have 90+% of the world's wealth) want: Serfs. Not slaves, serfs. Slaves rebel. Serfs generally are resigned to their position in life. Well, that put me on the hit list,

Re: Forbes: IT Professionals Don't Have What The Tech Industry Wants

2015-07-06 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Ed Gould wrote: Not quite. One of the companies that does this lays out in specifics that you can hire cheaper labor with H1B's after you have advertised at a grossly unfair rate local people who wouldn't think of working at the rate of H1B's . At first I hardly swallowed what you said, but

Re: Forbes: IT Professionals Don't Have What The Tech Industry Wants

2015-07-06 Thread Dana Mitchell
On Sun, 5 Jul 2015 03:42:19 -0500, Shane Ginnane ibm-m...@tpg.com.au wrote: No doubt the deal was trumpeted by IBM, but it's another site that will be ex soon. How does that build the platform ?. Shane ... I don't think IBM wants to build the platform. They are placing all bets on cloud,

Re: Forbes: IT Professionals Don't Have What The Tech Industry Wants

2015-07-05 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Sat, 4 Jul 2015 13:34:58 -0400, John Clifford wrote: Most companies are strictly bottom-liners, IMO, and will always go with the cheapest option. ... Just venting a bit. No harm in venting. We have an analogue to the H1B - sell your soul, then bleat about all those unemployed people

Re: Forbes: IT Professionals Don't Have What The Tech Industry Wants

2015-07-05 Thread Thomas Conley
On 7/5/2015 1:32 AM, Ed Gould wrote: On Jul 4, 2015, at 10:54 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: There are *DOCUMENTED* instances where IT is coached into putting an ad into the paper asking for the world in qualifications and then put in a low salary in the same ad. This is used to show the

Re: Forbes: IT Professionals Don't Have What The Tech Industry Wants

2015-07-04 Thread John Clifford
I have worked for consulting companies to support IBM mainframes for awhile. I was laid off back in 2012 after 43 years because the long term support people were making too much money. It would be interesting to see how fast a batch problem gets fixed at 2am, by support personnel with no specific

Re: Forbes: IT Professionals Don't Have What The Tech Industry Wants

2015-07-04 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Ed Gould wrote: Timothy: You make a broad brush stroke in blue. True. There are *DOCUMENTED* instances where IT is coached into putting an ad into the paper asking for the world in qualifications and then put in a low salary in the same ad. This is used to show the need for more IT workers

Re: Forbes: IT Professionals Don't Have What The Tech Industry Wants

2015-07-04 Thread Ed Gould
On Jul 4, 2015, at 10:54 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: There are *DOCUMENTED* instances where IT is coached into putting an ad into the paper asking for the world in qualifications and then put in a low salary in the same ad. This is used to show the need for more IT workers at a

Re: Forbes: IT Professionals Don't Have What The Tech Industry Wants

2015-07-03 Thread Ed Gould
Timothy: You make a broad brush stroke in blue. There are *DOCUMENTED* instances where IT is coached into putting an ad into the paper asking for the world in qualifications and then put in a low salary in the same ad. This is used to show the need for more IT workers at a reduced rate.

Re: Forbes: IT Professionals Don't Have What The Tech Industry Wants

2015-07-03 Thread Timothy Sipples
One should not overinterpret the available wage evidence. Businesses do have reasonable needs to bring in foreign workers and managers at least for some period of time. Export-oriented businesses, for example, really do need to have staff circulation to/from overseas in order to boost their

Re: Forbes: IT Professionals Don't Have What The Tech Industry Wants

2015-07-03 Thread Martin Packer
From: Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 03/07/2015 08:53 Subject:Re: Forbes: IT Professionals Don't Have What The Tech Industry Wants Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU One should not overinterpret

Re: Forbes: IT Professionals Don't Have What The Tech Industry Wants

2015-07-02 Thread Timothy Sipples
The absolute, sure fire way to determine whether there's a specific shortage is to look at the price of the product or service in alleged short supply relative to general inflation. In this case, there's no great mystery: we have solid wage/salary data in most developed countries. For example, the

Re: Forbes: IT Professionals Don't Have What The Tech Industry Wants

2015-07-02 Thread Dana Mitchell
On Thu, 2 Jul 2015 14:16:44 +0800, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com wrote: The absolute, sure fire way to determine whether there's a specific shortage is to look at the price of the product or service in alleged short supply relative to general inflation. To net it out, we don't see evidence

Re: Forbes: IT Professionals Don't Have What The Tech Industry Wants

2015-07-02 Thread Leonard Sasso
:Re: Forbes: IT Professionals Don't Have What The Tech Industry Wants Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Thu, 2 Jul 2015 14:16:44 +0800, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com wrote: The absolute, sure fire way to determine whether there's a specific

Re: Forbes: IT Professionals Don't Have What The Tech Industry Wants

2015-07-02 Thread Sambataro, Anthony (NIH/NBS) [E]
I've heard that L1 visas are a way around H1B visa limits. -Original Message- From: Dana Mitchell [mailto:mitchd...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 11:49 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Forbes: IT Professionals Don't Have What The Tech Industry Wants On Thu, 2 Jul

Re: Forbes: IT Professionals Don't Have What The Tech Industry Wants

2015-07-02 Thread Ted MacNEIL
: 07/02/2015 11:49 AM Subject: Re: Forbes: IT Professionals Don't Have What The Tech Industry Wants Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Thu, 2 Jul 2015 14:16:44 +0800, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com wrote: The absolute, sure fire way to determine whether

Re: Forbes: IT Professionals Don't Have What The Tech Industry Wants

2015-07-02 Thread Thomas Conley
On 7/2/2015 11:49 AM, Dana Mitchell wrote: On Thu, 2 Jul 2015 14:16:44 +0800, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com wrote: The absolute, sure fire way to determine whether there's a specific shortage is to look at the price of the product or service in alleged short supply relative to general

Re: Forbes: IT Professionals Don't Have What The Tech Industry Wants

2015-07-01 Thread Andre Massena
Good man. Humility is a virtue. Message d'origine De : Jon Butler butler@gmail.com À : IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Objet : Re: Forbes: IT Professionals Don't Have What The Tech Industry Wants Date : 01/07/2015 17:37:30 CEST Sorry, it's my Intermediate English. Try loose

Re: Forbes: IT Professionals Don't Have What The Tech Industry Wants

2015-07-01 Thread Jon Butler
An interesting but hardly earth-shattering article. I've seen advertisements for Senior positions that required 3 years of experience and Intermediate English. Let's see: we are going to turn these folks lose on users to gather requirements, design the HMI, and build a bullet-proof system?

Re: Forbes: IT Professionals Don't Have What The Tech Industry Wants

2015-07-01 Thread Andre Massena
folks lose??? Message d'origine De : Jon Butler butler@gmail.com À : IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Objet : Re: Forbes: IT Professionals Don't Have What The Tech Industry Wants Date : 01/07/2015 16:36:25 CEST An interesting but hardly earth-shattering article. I've seen advertisements

Re: Forbes: IT Professionals Don't Have What The Tech Industry Wants

2015-07-01 Thread Jon Butler
Sorry, it's my Intermediate English. Try loose. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN