Re: RACF Database protection

2013-09-09 Thread Costin Enache
Are you sure? Could you please specify exactly where too look in the RACF docs? Or do you mean the ICHDEX01 exit (for which you can either choose masking or implement - program - your own algorithm)? Costin From: Elardus Engelbrecht

Storage migration using TDMF - FREE fees

2013-09-09 Thread Jose Munoz
Hi, I read a post on IBM-MAIN about storage migration fees: When buying new DASD from IBM, often one can negotiate for the free use of TDMF during migration. Who has reference with FREE fees for storage migration?. Regards Jose Munoz Senior zEnterprise consultant M:(+965)-99925167 E:

Re: Storage migration using TDMF - FREE fees

2013-09-09 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
I don't think you will find any documentation about this. When you buy Dasd, you can negotiate anything, including the price for using TDMF for a limited amount of time and a limited amount of TBs. that's how we did it. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

PBKDF2 implementation in mainframe crypto-services

2013-09-09 Thread R.S.
Is the PBKDF2 function implemented in mainframe crypto-services? Or maybe BCrypt or SCrypt? Any clue where to find it? -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wyłącznie do użytku służbowego adresata. Odbiorcą

Re: Currently dispatched TCB in SRB mode

2013-09-09 Thread Peter Relson
Data area's says that serialization is disablement. Does this mean you need to run disabled or lock the CPU associated with the PCCA in question? Disablement to z/OS means that the PSW is not enabled either for external or I/O interrupts. No more, no less. There is no concept in z/OS of

Re: z/OS 2.1 and tools like COBOL 5.1, Fault Analyzer, Debug Tool, etc

2013-09-09 Thread Jousma, David
I'm not saying it is a bad thing, that this requirement is now upon us. It just took me by surprise. I am glad that someone here brought it up. Other than the terrible conversion to VS COBOL II all those years ago, upgrades to the cobol compiler over the years have been pretty pain-free in

Re: z/OS 2.1 and tools like COBOL 5.1, Fault Analyzer, Debug Tool, etc

2013-09-09 Thread John Gilmore
It is true that 5.1 resource requirements for compilation [AND for binding] are greater, but the resulting program objects are measurably more efficient. Both residence time and resource usage are reduced. In an engineering shop, in which compilations are often executed only a few times, this

The Trainer's Friend Going Out Of Business Sale

2013-09-09 Thread Steve Comstock
After 38 years of creating and delivering training courses for IBM mainframe (OS/360 through z/OS) application programmers, The Trainer's Friend, Inc. is going out of business. It's been a merry ride, giving us the chance to meet and work with talented and dedicated people in hundreds of

Re: OT: Obscurity Is Not Security... Or Is It?

2013-09-09 Thread Tom Marchant
On Sun, 8 Sep 2013 20:37:14 -0700, Jon Perryman wrote: you can't be 100% secure (we still have APF). I don't understand the point you are trying to make with your parenthetical statement. Do you think that APF puts an upper limit on security? Why? -- Tom Marchant

Re: z/OS 2.1 and tools like COBOL 5.1, Fault Analyzer, Debug Tool, etc

2013-09-09 Thread Bob Shannon
It is true that 5.1 resource requirements for compilation [AND for binding] are greater, but the resulting program objects are measurably more efficient. Can you point me to the data that supports that claim? Thanks. Bob Shannon Rocket Software

Re: OT: Obscurity Is Not Security... Or Is It?

2013-09-09 Thread Ray Overby
There is a software product called z/Assure Vulnerability Analysis Product that will allow a z/OS installation to identify exposures/vulnerabilities in IBM, ISV, and installation written code. With this software product you can systematically check to see if an exposure has been introduced

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-09 Thread John McKown
I used keypunches in college. I then graduated to a hardcopy terminal, but not a KSR-33 or ASR-33. The school had some really nice DECWriters for the non-IBM DEC System 20. And 2741s for the IBM. I adored the 2741s, which were basically an IBM Selectric typewriter with a serial interface. In

Re: OT: Obscurity Is Not Security... Or Is It?

2013-09-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 08:47:20 -0500, Ray Overby wrote: There is a software product called z/Assure Vulnerability Analysis Product that will allow a z/OS installation to identify exposures/vulnerabilities in IBM, ISV, and installation written code. All of them? With this software product you can

Re: OT: Obscurity Is Not Security... Or Is It?

2013-09-09 Thread John Gilmore
Strong encryption can, as a practical matter, ensure the safety of a message transmitted from computer S to computer T. It is, however, important to remember that this encryption is useless if the content of that message can be purloined at S before it is encrypted or at T after it has been

Re: OT: Obscurity Is Not Security... Or Is It?

2013-09-09 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2013-09-09 16:05, Paul Gilmartin pisze: On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 08:47:20 -0500, Ray Overby wrote: There is a software product called z/Assure Vulnerability Analysis Product that will allow a z/OS installation to identify exposures/vulnerabilities in IBM, ISV, and installation written code.

Re: OT: Obscurity Is Not Security... Or Is It?

2013-09-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 10:06:59 -0400, John Gilmore wrote: Strong encryption can, as a practical matter, ensure the safety of a message transmitted from computer S to computer T. Doesn't the imputed strength of most (all?) prevalent encryption schemes depend on their somewhat conjectural N-P

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-09 Thread Barry Merrill
You have not lived until you have used a Texas Instruments Silent 700 at 300 baud to watch a SAS PROC PLOT, when you can see each and every dot being laid down, and definitely not left to right nor top to bottom, and not speedily. That was my TSO access from home in 1976. -Original

Re: z/OS 2.1 and tools like COBOL 5.1, Fault Analyzer, Debug Tool, etc

2013-09-09 Thread David Andrews
I see that in January the price for COBOL V3 and V4 will be raised to equal V5. So there's one reason not to upgrade that no longer exists. -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-09 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
ba...@mxg.com (Barry Merrill) writes: You have not lived until you have used a Texas Instruments Silent 700 at 300 baud to watch a SAS PROC PLOT, when you can see each and every dot being laid down, and definitely not left to right nor top to bottom, and not speedily. That was my TSO access

Re: z/OS 2.1 and tools like COBOL 5.1, Fault Analyzer, Debug Tool, etc

2013-09-09 Thread Tom Ross
In vnetibm.20130907162208.9...@bldgate.vnet.ibm.com, on 09/07/2013 at 09:22 AM, Tom Ross tmr...@stlvm20.vnet.ibm.com said: No, the COBOL Migration Guide is correct, all COBOL programs=20 produce GOFF output with COBOL V5, so after Binding you will have=20 a program object and it must reside in

Re: OT: Obscurity Is Not Security... Or Is It?

2013-09-09 Thread John Gilmore
I once enquired into the question Do licensed locksmiths burgle? The answer, as a practical matter, turns out to be no. Selection presumably plays a part. Convicted burglars may well find it hard to obtain a locksmith's license. There is something else at work too. As George Orwell mentioned

Re: OT: Obscurity Is Not Security... Or Is It?

2013-09-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On 2013-09-09, at 08:11, R.S. wrote: On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 08:47:20 -0500, Ray Overby wrote: There is a software product called z/Assure Vulnerability Analysis Product that will allow a z/OS installation to identify exposures/vulnerabilities in IBM, ISV, and installation written code. I

Re: Comp-3 data defintion

2013-09-09 Thread Mike Schwab
On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Clark Morris cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.ca wrote: On 6 Sep 2013 08:22:58 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: Hello We have a job in which the input file that is comming has one on the field (Location Number) is defined as X(4). This file is comming from a

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 09:39:37 -0500, Barry Merrill wrote: You have not lived until you have used a Texas Instruments Silent 700 at 300 baud to watch a Ah! Thermal paper? But that provided me the epiphany that computers could deal with mixed-case text. I have not turned back. But I've used a

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-09 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 11:13:35 -0400, Anne Lynn Wheeler wrote: i got online 2741 at home And in another post he mentioned MTS (Michigan Terminal System), written to run on the System/360 model 67. In MTS the terminal driver was called TSFO. I've been told that its name was an acronym for

Re: z/OS 2.1 and tools like COBOL 5.1, Fault Analyzer, Debug Tool, etc

2013-09-09 Thread Lizette Koehler
Tom, Could you share the SHARE presentations you have given on COBOL V5? Thanks Lizette -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Ross Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 8:18 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OS

Re: z/OS 2.1 and tools like COBOL 5.1, Fault Analyzer, Debug Tool, etc

2013-09-09 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
It isn't just the raw library conversion that is an issue for large shops. It is also the plumbing, the everyday compile and debugging procedures and tools. Consider the SDLC tool to start with, which may be commercial (requiring the shop to wait on the vendor for appropriate changes and then

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-09 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
john.archie.mck...@gmail.com (John McKown) writes: I used keypunches in college. I then graduated to a hardcopy terminal, but not a KSR-33 or ASR-33. The school had some really nice DECWriters for the non-IBM DEC System 20. And 2741s for the IBM. I adored the 2741s, which were basically an IBM

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-09 Thread Mike Schwab
MTS/370 and APL/360 have been ressurected to run on Hercules. On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com wrote: On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 11:13:35 -0400, Anne Lynn Wheeler wrote: i got online 2741 at home And in another post he mentioned MTS (Michigan Terminal System),

Re: z/OS 2.1 and tools like COBOL 5.1, Fault Analyzer, Debug Tool, etc

2013-09-09 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 4ee2851a2279b94cb70cd69b17410609ae9bb...@s1flokydce2kx01.dm0001.info53.com, on 09/09/2013 at 11:53 AM, Jousma, David david.jou...@53.com said: I'm pretty sure that most of them will be converted with a simple DFDSS job If there is no PDS sharing across sysplex boundaries. -- Shmuel

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-09 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com (Tom Marchant) writes: And in another post he mentioned MTS (Michigan Terminal System), written to run on the System/360 model 67. In MTS the terminal driver was called TSFO. I've been told that its name was an acronym for Twenty Seven Forty One. How about that for

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 10:38:27 -0500, Barry Merrill wrote: Did you have the same fun and games I had with Southwestern Bell, during the 70s-80, as each time I got a faster modem, I was the first customer with that speed, and their engineers had to come out and measure which of my 6 lines was

SORT? need.

2013-09-09 Thread John McKown
I haven't yet looked in the DFSORT manual, bad me, but I'll ask anyway. Programmer has a problem. He is writing a COBOL program. No, that's not the problem grin/. He wants the input to be an OPTIONAL file which might be VB in one run an FB in a different run. This file is user generated. I told

Re: z/OS 2.1 and tools like COBOL 5.1, Fault Analyzer, Debug Tool, etc

2013-09-09 Thread Bob Shannon
Could you share the SHARE presentations you have given on COBOL V5? You can download them from the SHARE website (www.share.org). Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,

Re: z/OS 2.1 and tools like COBOL 5.1, Fault Analyzer, Debug Tool, etc

2013-09-09 Thread Joel C. Ewing
On 09/09/2013 10:08 AM, David Andrews wrote: I see that in January the price for COBOL V3 and V4 will be raised to equal V5. So there's one reason not to upgrade that no longer exists. Just a radical thought... From users' standpoint IBM could have achieved an even better impetus for

Track PDS/PS Changes

2013-09-09 Thread mf db
Hello All, Is there a way to track the changes made on a PDS member or PS files. My question is just general and Want to know if there is any feature within Z/OS which can help me to track the changes. Peter -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: Track PDS/PS Changes

2013-09-09 Thread Lizette Koehler
I think that is too general a question. Do you mean the external attributes? do you mean the data inside the file? Could you clarify? And when you say track? What specifically are you looking for. I know you said general, but there is not really a general answer without understanding what

Re: SORT? need.

2013-09-09 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
I forgot to add that a failed first open for an F-format file when a V-format file is supplied will generate a message on SYSOUT from LE runtime support about COBOL file attributes not matching the file being opened, but that message can be safely ignored so long as the second open works.

Re: Dynamic Allocation in COBOL

2013-09-09 Thread Rick Arellanes
Here is how you can do it in COBOL directly: Define a structure like this (for setenv; you only need the ENV-VALUE part for putenv): 01 ENV-VARS. 05 ENV-NAME PIC X(8). 05 ENV-VALUE PIC X(100). 05 ENV-OVERWRITE PIC S9(8) COMP.

Re: SORT? need.

2013-09-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 12:02:31 -0500, Norbert Friemel wrote: Anyway, DFSORT has a FTOV function. But I need an anyTOV type function. That is, it will read FB or VB and output VB. Use IEBGENER or IDCAMS-REPRO. No special option is needed. The output LRECL must be 4 bytes longer than the input LRECL

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-09 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
ba...@mxg.com (Barry Merrill) writes: Did you have the same fun and games I had with Southwestern Bell, during the 70s-80, as each time I got a faster modem, I was the first customer with that speed, and their engineers had to come out and measure which of my 6 lines was sufficiently quiet to

Re: Track PDS/PS Changes

2013-09-09 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 9/9/2013 12:14 PM, mf db wrote: Is there a way to track the changes made on a PDS member or PS files. My question is just general and Want to know if there is any feature within Z/OS which can help me to track the changes. Other than the access date in the DSCB, and directory entry dates in

Re: SORT? need.

2013-09-09 Thread Norbert Friemel
On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 11:22:21 -0500, John McKown wrote: Anyway, DFSORT has a FTOV function. But I need an anyTOV type function. That is, it will read FB or VB and output VB. Use IEBGENER or IDCAMS-REPRO. No special option is needed. The output LRECL must be 4 bytes longer than the input LRECL

Re: z/OS 2.1 and tools like COBOL 5.1, Fault Analyzer, Debug Tool, etc

2013-09-09 Thread Ed Gould
I agree, This essentially makes in mandatory to be SMS on any volume and that means a lot of rule changes in the SMS constructs and in addition forcing SMS on just about any type of load module PDSE's. IN addition it seems to make in necessary for the whole SMS infrastructure to be in

Re: Track PDS/PS Changes

2013-09-09 Thread mf db
Thanks for responding. yes My intention is to track the Data Changes. On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.comwrote: I think that is too general a question. Do you mean the external attributes? do you mean the data inside the file? Could you clarify? And

Re: Track PDS/PS Changes

2013-09-09 Thread Jakubek, Jan
I seem to remember a product: Change Action (from http://www.actionsoftware.com/). It seems to be called eventAction now. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of mf db Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 12:14 PM To:

Re: SORT? need.

2013-09-09 Thread John McKown
Lost SAS many, many years ago. Basically we are bare bones. The only compiler is COBOL (and increase in price is going to cause problems - big .. BIG problems). We have HLASM, but I think that is again bundled. And we have REXX, which is likely a no go because the programmers don't know it and

Re: SORT? need.

2013-09-09 Thread John McKown
Forwarding this to the programmer. I had never thought of it. I'm not a COBOL programmer. I somewhat know the COBOL language, but I don't really use it. On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com wrote: Have the programmer write two OPTIONAL FILE

Re: z/OS 2.1 and tools like COBOL 5.1, Fault Analyzer, Debug Tool, etc

2013-09-09 Thread Bob Shannon
This essentially makes in mandatory to be SMS on any volume and that means a lot of rule changes in the SMS constructs and in addition forcing SMS on just about any type of load module PDSE's. IN addition it seems to make in necessary for the whole SMS infrastructure to be in place day 1

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-09 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In CA+Myz1WrTaxPoJk_8ODT4DofHG5L6=zr96bos01nd1atgqh...@mail.gmail.com, on 09/09/2013 at 10:29 AM, Quasar Chunawala quasar.chunawa...@gmail.com said: Today, the mainframe staff in any enterprise work on PC running special software(the terminal emulator) to connect to the *mainframe server* over

Re: Track PDS/PS Changes

2013-09-09 Thread Gord Tomlin
On 2013-09-09 12:55, Jakubek, Jan wrote: I seem to remember a product: Change Action (fromhttp://www.actionsoftware.com/). It seems to be called eventAction now. Yes, Change Action was renamed to eventACTION. As the product grew to track much more than changes, the old name ceased to be

Re: SORT? need.

2013-09-09 Thread John Gilmore
Do you need Peter Farley's experimental approach? You do if even the job submitter will not know the input-file RECFM. If someone will know it, and, say, PARM='RECFM=FB|VB' can be supplied, a simple COBOL program that dumps largely canned JCL into the internal reader will solve your problem.

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-09 Thread Barry Merrill
Did you have the same fun and games I had with Southwestern Bell, during the 70s-80, as each time I got a faster modem, I was the first customer with that speed, and their engineers had to come out and measure which of my 6 lines was sufficiently quiet to be used, often having to change

Re: SORT? need.

2013-09-09 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Have the programmer write two OPTIONAL FILE definitions with the same DD name component, one for the F-format file and one for the V-format file, both referencing the same FILE STATUS variable (PIC 99). The open paragraph should first try to open the F-format file and then check the FILE

Re: OT: Obscurity Is Not Security... Or Is It?

2013-09-09 Thread Ray Overby
/Ooooh! SATAN lives! Won't people fear that such a tool may be used by those seeking vulnerabilities to exploit as well as by those seeking to repair them?// / If that is the case I guess you would have to fear that tools like some of IBM's z/Secure offerings, native RACF commands, DSMON,

Re: OT: Obscurity Is Not Security... Or Is It?

2013-09-09 Thread Ray Overby
/I guess, only those which are know to the author. Or subset of them implemented in the tool. /z/Assure VAP is not a virus scanner. It does not use a list of known vulnerabilities or code sequences to identify vulnerabilities. Ray Overby Key Resources, Inc Ensuring System Integrity for

Re: z/OS 2.1 and tools like COBOL 5.1, Fault Analyzer, Debug Tool, etc

2013-09-09 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 9/9/2013 9:58 AM, Ed Gould wrote: This essentially makes in mandatory to be SMS on any volume and that means a lot of rule changes in the SMS constructs and in addition forcing SMS on just about any type of load module PDSE's. IN addition it seems to make in necessary for the whole SMS

Re: z/OS 2.1 and tools like COBOL 5.1, Fault Analyzer, Debug Tool, etc

2013-09-09 Thread John McKown
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Bob Shannon bshan...@rocketsoftware.comwrote: This essentially makes in mandatory to be SMS on any volume and that means a lot of rule changes in the SMS constructs and in addition forcing SMS on just about any type of load module PDSE's. IN addition it

Re: SORT? need.

2013-09-09 Thread John McKown
To me, this is a very weird design. The programmer has some sort of ad hoc program which he runs for himself. Others have seen the output and like it. So they want to be able to do the same sort of ad hoc query. But, some of them being non-z people, they have _no_ concept of records of a specific

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-09 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 9/9/2013 12:59 AM, Quasar Chunawala wrote: Today, the mainframe staff in any enterprise work on PC running special software(the terminal emulator) to connect to the *mainframe server* over the company intranet. But, back in the 1960's, when mainframes were young, what were some of input

Re: IMS startup abend

2013-09-09 Thread John McKown
Perhaps? https://www-304.ibm.com/ibmlink/sis/viewAparDoc.wss?context=aparAndUsagedocumentIds=PM40604searchWords=DFSAOS60+abends0c4libraryType=Dlc=encc=US Your R1 does look like junk to me. quote PROBLEM SUMMARY: * USERS

Mainframe Systems Engineer Job in St. Paul, MN

2013-09-09 Thread Jeff Deaver
Mainframe Systems Engineer position at Securian Financial in St. Paul, Minnesota. If you're interested in this position, contact Securian through the links on the web-page. I'm just posting here as an FYI and am not involved in the hiring process for this position.

IMS startup abend

2013-09-09 Thread Carlos Bodra
Hi, Since I´m not an expert in IMS, any hint about following problem will be welcome. After a application of PSP bucket for install new storage (DS6800) in a z/OS 1.4, all ptf´s were checked and applied (satisfying actions) and IPL was done. All other sub systems come up error free, but IMS

Re: IMS startup abend

2013-09-09 Thread John McKown
Forget some important extra verbage: quote PE PTF List: PTF List: Release 900 : UK69141 https://www-304.ibm.com/ibmlink/sis/viewAparDoc.wss?context=aparAndUsagesearchWords=DFSAOS60%20abends0c4documentIds=UK69141lc=encc=US available 11/06/30 (F106 ) Parent APAR: Child APAR list:

Re: PFA_ENQUEUE_REQUEST_RATE

2013-09-09 Thread Karla Arndt
Mark, I honestly cannot respond as to how to investigate CATALOG-specific problems. I hope someone else can respond to that part of your question. Looking at the numbers you have from the PFA check and Runtime Diagnostics results below, it looks like CATALOG is really very consistent across

Re: SORT? need.

2013-09-09 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
If by experimental you mean changes its behavior based on the experience of trying to open one file format first, I can agree with that description. This is a practical, supported and proven procedure in use every day in production code. It is by no means experimental in the sense of not

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-09 Thread John McKown
I had forgotten that. We had one of those for on call use at one place where I worked. But we had 2400 bps connection and I had a 2400 bps modem. I helped one poor programmer (was actually sent to her home) who had a 300 bps acoustic mode connected to an Apple II with a 40x24 screen. Watching the

Re: SORT? need.

2013-09-09 Thread Lizette Koehler
So, another question is, how would you code it normally in COBOL if the file could be VB one time and FB another? I do not think the technique for that would be different for SORT. To me, this is not a SORT issue, but how COBOL handles a File IO section when the file could be any type (FB, VB,

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-09 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 5834228785212676.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 09/09/2013 at 09:50 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: Ah! Thermal paper? But that provided me the epiphany that computers could deal with mixed-case text. IBM supported mixed-case text well before the TI noisy 700.

Re: z/OS 2.1 and tools like COBOL 5.1, Fault Analyzer, Debug Tool, etc

2013-09-09 Thread John McKown
Around here, this is another nail in the z/OS coffin. My manager is trying to get price reductions from our current software vendors. His plea is give us an execute-only, no-support contract at a reduced price. Basically we are being stabilized at our current levels. IT management has been told,

Re: Track PDS/PS Changes

2013-09-09 Thread Lizette Koehler
So you are probably looking at something like a CHANGEMAN or ENDEVOR product. Those are for Source code changes, but I am guessing this is what you are looking for in general. If the files are source, then look at CA PDSMAN. You can have PDSMAN monitor PDS datasets for source code changes and

Re: SORT? need.

2013-09-09 Thread John Gilmore
Peter, To me 'experimental' is never pejorative. An experiment queries the environment to make date-driven decisions. We do, however, disagree about the proper treatment of the INTRDR or, indeed, any other tool. If you do not want some job submitted via the INTRDR to update a file you protect

Re: The Trainer's Friend Going Out Of Business Sale

2013-09-09 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 522dbcd6.9040...@trainersfriend.com, on 09/09/2013 at 06:19 AM, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com said: After 38 years of creating and delivering training courses for IBM mainframe (OS/360 through z/OS) application programmers, The Trainer's Friend, Inc. is going out of business.

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-09 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#20 Teletypewriter Model 33 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#21 Teletypewriter Model 33 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#22 Teletypewriter Model 33 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#23 Teletypewriter Model 33 the cp67 changes i did at the

Re: SORT? need.

2013-09-09 Thread Sri h Kolusu
Anyway, DFSORT has a FTOV function. But I need an anyTOV type function. That is, it will read FB or VB and output VB. Hi John, DFSORT is smart enough to ignore FTOV parm if the input is already a variable block file. Here is simple example .

Re: z/OS 2.1 and tools like COBOL 5.1, Fault Analyzer, Debug Tool, etc

2013-09-09 Thread Jousma, David
Right.In our case, there is not. _ Dave Jousma Assistant Vice President, Mainframe Engineering david.jou...@53.com 1830 East Paris, Grand Rapids, MI  49546 MD RSCB2H p 616.653.8429 f 616.653.2717 -Original Message-

Re: Track PDS/PS Changes

2013-09-09 Thread John McKown
The biggest problem, IMO, is that most tracking is done by comparing snapshots. If the OP needs to know exactly which user/job/program made which changes to a given data set (on a record or byte level), that is a very big can of worms. z/OS does not have a change log which tracks this type of

Re: SORT? need.

2013-09-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 16:16:45 -0400, John Gilmore wrote: Peter, To me 'experimental' is never pejorative. An experiment queries the environment to make date-driven decisions. I might accommodate Peter by using adaptive or facultative in place of experimental. We do, however, disagree about the

Re: SORT? need.

2013-09-09 Thread John McKown
True. But I don't know of any way to code a COBOL file definition to be either F or V. COBOL is just not designed for that. Hum, I almost want to do the following: have the programmer write the file out to a UNIX temporary file using TSO OCOPY. UNIX doesn't have the concept of fixed versus

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-09 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
gerh...@valley.net (Gerhard Postpischil) writes: The installations I worked at offered Wylbur, as it was much more productive. On our 360/65, IBM had a recommendation to keep active TSO users below 10-12; by comparison, Wylbur could handle several dozens without degradation in response. Also

Re: SORT? need.

2013-09-09 Thread John McKown
Thanks. I didn't know that and didn't see it in my reading of the manual. I'll mention it to the programmer. On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Sri h Kolusu skol...@us.ibm.com wrote: Anyway, DFSORT has a FTOV function. But I need an anyTOV type function. That is, it will read FB or VB and

Re: OT: Obscurity Is Not Security... Or Is It?

2013-09-09 Thread Ken Porowski
No need, they have a copy already. CIT | Ken Porowski | VP Mainframe Engineering | Information Technology | +1 973 740 5459 (tel) | ken.porow...@cit.com This email message and any accompanying materials may contain proprietary, privileged and confidential information of CIT Group Inc. or

Re: Currently dispatched TCB in SRB mode

2013-09-09 Thread Micheal Butz
So in other words STNSM. AREA,X'FC' before And STNSM AREA,X'03'. After Sent from my iPhone On Sep 9, 2013, at 7:30 AM, Peter Relson rel...@us.ibm.com wrote: Data area's says that serialization is disablement. Does this mean you need to run disabled or lock the CPU associated with the

Re: SORT? need.

2013-09-09 Thread Sri h Kolusu
John, It is documented under the FTOV parm in OUTFIL description. Here is a direct link to the FTOV description.

Re: OT: Obscurity Is Not Security... Or Is It?

2013-09-09 Thread John McKown
Should I now CC all my email to sp...@nsa.gov? On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 3:51 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: I find that I have used 'five eyes' twice in recent posts without really being aware of it. In some but only some contexts it is standard jargon for the American NSA and its

Re: z/OS 2.1 and tools like COBOL 5.1, Fault Analyzer, Debug Tool, etc

2013-09-09 Thread Tom Ross
On Sat, 7 Sep 2013 21:52:07 -0400, John Gilmore wrote: Qua sysprog, I am sure thjat you are aware that PDSEs are problematic early in an IPL process; but none of these problems obtains for COBOL APs. Very late to this, so sorry if my concerns have been answered earlier. What about shops with a

Re: z/OS 2.1 and tools like COBOL 5.1, Fault Analyzer, Debug Tool, etc

2013-09-09 Thread Ed Gould
Bob, I know of at least one shop that is fairly large ( 3+ 6 way sysplexes) and has a minimal SMS configuration (and some must have OS allowances for PDSe's and HFS's(ZFS) etc) but there are staunchly anti SMS (they have purchased another SMS look alike product). I honestly don't think

Re: SORT? need.

2013-09-09 Thread Barry Merrill
You could use SAS, which will read any record for you and present the logical record independent of the RECFM for F/V/VB/VBS, and for VSAM, although some VSAM files contain the record length in their first four bytes, notably SMF VSAM, but VSAM is detectable in byte 100 of the JFCB, so even that

Re: SORT? need.

2013-09-09 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Comments interspersed. Original -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John Gilmore Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 4:17 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SORT? need. Peter, To me 'experimental' is never

Re: z/OS 2.1 and tools like COBOL 5.1, Fault Analyzer, Debug Tool, etc

2013-09-09 Thread Frank Swarbrick
I don't know if the below would be better or worse for the shops that are concerned about converting PDSs with load modules to PDSEs with program objects, but would it not be true to say that one could, if one wished, leave all pre-COBOL5 executables in their current PDS and compile only COBOL

Re: Comp-3 data defintion

2013-09-09 Thread Clark Morris
On 9 Sep 2013 07:41:07 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Clark Morris cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.ca wrote: On 6 Sep 2013 08:22:58 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: Hello We have a job in which the input file that is comming has one on the field

Re: Currently dispatched TCB in SRB mode

2013-09-09 Thread DASDBILL2
STOSM would probably work better than the second of the two STNSM instructions if your intention is to enable that which you disabled. Bill Fairchild - Original Message - From: Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013

Re: Track PDS/PS Changes

2013-09-09 Thread Charles Mills
SMF 18 records changes to PDS members that involve a STOW or similar API. They record the userid and so forth but not the data itself. They are not bulletproof in that there are a variety of ways a programmer can write a program to modify a PDS(E) that do not generate an SMF 18. MXG etc. can

Re: The Trainer's Friend Going Out Of Business Sale

2013-09-09 Thread Charles Mills
Good luck going forward! Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve Comstock Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 8:20 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: The Trainer's Friend Going Out Of Business Sale After 38

How much can sysprogs steal was Re: OT: Obscurity Is Not Security... Or Is It?

2013-09-09 Thread Clark Morris
On 9 Sep 2013 07:41:42 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: I once enquired into the question Do licensed locksmiths burgle? The answer, as a practical matter, turns out to be no. Selection presumably plays a part. Convicted burglars may well find it hard to obtain a locksmith's

Re: z/OS 2.1 and tools like COBOL 5.1, Fault Analyzer, Debug Tool, etc

2013-09-09 Thread Scott Ford
Tom, Why convert to PDSE? I am curious? A stated IBM direction? Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Sep 9, 2013, at 11:18 AM, Tom Ross tmr...@stlvm20.vnet.ibm.com wrote: In vnetibm.20130907162208.9...@bldgate.vnet.ibm.com, on 09/07/2013

Re: SORT? need.

2013-09-09 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Dumping largely canned JCL into the internal reader may not be a solution either in a real production environment under control of a commercial scheduling product. In the first place, the dumped job is not even on the radar of the scheduler; it has no notion that something besides itself has

Re: Currently dispatched TCB in SRB mode

2013-09-09 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In ce8d5260-340d-4e2b-ace0-46984418d...@optonline.net, on 09/09/2013 at 05:20 PM, Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net said: So in other words STNSM. AREA,X'FC' before That affects the PSW of the CPU your code is running on; it doesn't disable or lock any other CPU. And STNSM AREA,X'03'.

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-09 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 6316392288346624.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 09/09/2013 at 11:14 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: Then what went wrong? You used the wrong tool. Try ALLOCATE DD(SYSIN) DSN(*) Why would I do that for an interactive command? Try EDIT foo.text. And what does

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-09 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 522e15d6.2000...@valley.net, on 09/09/2013 at 02:39 PM, Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net said: IBM introduced the 1050 (similar to the 1052 operators console) The 1050 was a family of terminals attached through a 1051; the low end S/360 console was the 1052-7, which did not require a

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