Re: Interchange best practice?

zsh has more advanced auto completion than bash and a cool plugin system with great tooling such as deep Git integration. Most devs prefer zsh as a login shell. For writing scripts I stick with bash. On 2019-12-10 2:27 PM, Martin Packer wrote: zsh has a minor advantage of being the new

Re: Interchange best practice? (was: GIT ... length issue)

zsh has a minor advantage of being the new default MacOS shell. (I still use bash - in a basic way - and see no impetus to move.) Cheers, Martin Sent from my iPad > On 10 Dec 2019, at 04:33, David Crayford wrote: > > On 2019-12-10 3:18 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: >> Does anybody outside of the

Re: Interchange best practice? (was: GIT ... length issue)

Regards, Gord Tomlin Action Software International (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation) Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507, gord.tom...@actionsoftware.com Support: https://actionsoftware.com/support/ On 2019-12-09 14:18, Seymour J Metz wrote: The Linux community is pushing bash, and

Re: Interchange best practice? (was: GIT ... length issue)

On 2019-12-10 3:18 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: Does anybody outside of the z world use the POSIX shell? Yes! It's the default shell on a lot of Linux systems like Ubuntu when you add a new user. Although, most admins will assign a different shell such as zsh or bash using the "useradd" command

Re: Interchange best practice? (was: GIT ... length issue)

On 2019-12-10 2:34 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: The Rocket port of git, bash, etc. needs to be uploaded as well but most of it is in binary. Is bash required? Why doesn't the POSIX shell with OMVS suffice? Or is this a requirement of git core? git-core is written mostly in Perl and bash shell

Re: Interchange best practice?

Now that IBM i is moving into *nix-land with PASE (like USS on z/OS) there are a certain number of ksh users. Bash has a lot of nice user features. Scripters with decade-plus experience sometimes prefer ksh. On 12/9/19 7:28 PM, Lee B wrote: ksh seems to be the default shell on OpenBSD, as

Re: Interchange best practice? (was: GIT ... length issue)

ksh seems to be the default shell on OpenBSD, as it was (and presumably still is) on AIX. On Tue, Dec 10 2019, Seymour J Metz wrote: > Does anybody use Korn these days. The Linux community is pushing bash, and > they're a large part of the *ix community. I don't know what they *bsd > community

Re: Most-used instructions? Just for fun.

For one particular module: AR - 4 B - 2 (hey, some of it is old code) BR - 4 BRAS - 42 CLC - 5 CLI - 2 DC (do you count that?) - 25 IC - 3 ICM - 1 IILH - 1 J - 2 JC - 1 JE - 4 JNE - 3 JNZ (which is the same instruction, right?) - 3 JZ - 7 (JZ + JE - 11) L (which was my guess for most used) - 90

Re: what is DSSUMON?

Unrelated, but the word TELEGENIX in that doc caught my attention. Wasn't that a box that connected to a 3270 coax cable, acted like a console (with no actual display), watched for certain messages, and then displayed tape mount serial numbers on displays mounted on top of reel tape drives?

Re: Water-cooled 360s?

"I am 99.9% positive there were no water cooled S360 or S370 processors." "The central processing complex of the System/360 Model 195 is made up of seven stand-alone units: a CPU, three CPU power supply units, a power distribution unit, a coolant distribution unit, and a system console (Figure

Re: what is DSSUMON?

Looking into this has been a chase. The only items of interest in the load module is the assembler product code and the binder product code. .DSSUMON . .. 5695PMB01 ~..569623400 . . ..ε. ..DSSUMON. .. There are a lot of messages that start with

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Re: Misuse of the word hexadecimnal (Was RE: COPYING PDS TO PDS ...)

Seymour, Me too, I don’t mind helping at all. I will be first to say I don’t know let me look it up or ask someone who knows more. Scott On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 2:59 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > Oh, I'm all for people learning. My problem is with the people who don't > learn but pretend that

Re: Water-cooled 360s?

On Mon, Dec 09, 2019 at 12:36:38PM -0500, Phil Smith III wrote: > https://hackaday.com/2019/12/08/the-barn-find-ibm-360-comes-home/ > sparked a discussion on a private list about air- and > water-cooling. I'm quite sure that the /44 and /75 we had at > UofWaterloo were air-cooled, because we had

Re: GIT z/OS - ftp to mainframe - record length issue

Andrew - excellent catch and suggestion. Btw. You'll love the enhancements planned for the next drop  Lionel B. Dyck < Website: http://www.lbdsoftware.com "Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation merely what others think you are." - John

Re: GIT z/OS - ftp to mainframe - record length issue

On 9/12/2019 11:29 pm, Denis wrote: I had the same issue, because the mainframe is not allowed to access anything outside. So git clone does not work. Presumably the mainframe can do a git clone from *somewhere*, otherwise you wouldn't install zigi. So you could clone the Gihub repo to a

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Re: Most-used instructions? Just for fun.

The last time I looked (many years ago) there wasn't a NOP! We used BCR 0,0 On Mon, 9 Dec 2019, 15:42 R.S., wrote: > W dniu 2019-12-09 o 11:05, Rupert Reynolds pisze: > > Has anyone seen a list of the most-used machine instructions? > I know first one: NOP > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz,

Re: what is DSSUMON?

Browse the load module and see if there are any eye catchers/copyright notices in it. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get=markjac...@protonmail.com ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, December 9,

Re: what is DSSUMON?

Mainview Auto-Operator? See: https://communities.bmc.com/thread/30747?start=0 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 2:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: what is DSSUMON? I have an auto-started

what is DSSUMON?

I have an auto-started initiator running DSSUMON and I don't know what it is doing. Anybody know what this program does? I think it's a vendor program that we don't license anymore. The messages don't supply any vendor name. -- Tony Thigpen

Re: Water-cooled 360s?

I just fired off feedback to IBM on the lack of a 360/85 link. If we're going to mention models that never shipped to customers, the 360/90 and 360/92 were presumably water cooled. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM

Re: Water-cooled 360s?

Well, all very interesting. We seem to be fumbling toward a consensus. But we've also uncovered a gaping hole in my question: What does "water-cooled" even mean? In this context, *I* think it means "any water cooling", but others may quite reasonably differ. Which reminds me: can anyone

Re: Water-cooled 360s?

The various high numbered Models of the 360 range had a chequered history and its bit difficult to know when these were announced (I am sure the answers are somewhere in Google) . Some were not 'announced' and were just built specially for NASA and 'others' and sold in very small numbers! Its

Re: Misuse of the word hexadecimnal (Was RE: COPYING PDS TO PDS ...)

Oh, I'm all for people learning. My problem is with the people who don't learn but pretend that they did. If someone politely expresses an interst in learning something and I have the experience and free time to help, then I'll cheerfully extend a hand. Sometimes all I will have time for is to

Re: Interchange best practice? (was: GIT ... length issue)

>I don't see it. In: > > https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.ikjc200/dsrec.htm That's the user's guide, which is a summary. You need

Re: Interchange best practice? (was: GIT ... length issue)

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 19:26:49 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >Yes, OMVS is part of z/OS, but I m sure that by "to OMVS" he means "to a file >in an OMVS file system". > I was commenting more specifically on the "to z/OS" part. Too many walls to hop over. >You should be able to receive from an

Re: Water-cooled 360s?

I suspect that most if not all of us are upset thinking of that day. I certainly am, and I knew nobody in either building. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Christopher Y.

Re: Water-cooled 360s?

What were the 360/91, 360/95, 360/195, 370/165, 370/168, 370/195, 3032 and 3033, chopped liver? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tony Harminc Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019

Re: Water-cooled 360s?

I worked for one of the first tenants of the original 2 World Trade Center. We installed 2 370/168's. For the first week we were in the building, they would turn the building supplied chilled water off in the building at midnight. First night, we had to shut the machines down. Next day we

Re: Water-cooled 360s?

You're a decade off; the 360/85, 360/91, 360/95, 360/195, 370/165, 370/168, 370/195, 3032 and 3033 were water cooled. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Allan Staller Sent:

Re: Water-cooled 360s?

As were the 360/85, 360/91, 360/95 and 360/195. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Christopher Y. Blaicher Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 12:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: Water-cooled 360s?

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 at 12:43, Allan Staller wrote: > IIRC, Water cooling did not appear until (at the earliest) the 308x > processors. > I am 99.9% positive there were no water cooled S360 or S370 processors. > Many will say you're wrong, but you do have at least a shred of an argument... >From

Re: Interchange best practice? (was: GIT ... length issue)

Yes, OMVS is part of z/OS, but I m sure that by "to OMVS" he means "to a file in an OMVS file system". You should be able to receive from an XMIT file in batch TSO without a prompt. AFAIK you can only receive from SPOOL in foreground. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: Interchange best practice? (was: GIT ... length issue)

Does anybody use Korn these days. The Linux community is pushing bash, and they're a large part of the *ix community. I don't know what they *bsd community favors, but I doubt that it's POSIX. One of the things that surprised me about the original OE was that IBM seemed to have zeroed in on

Re: Water-cooled 360s?

The 360/91 and 360/95 came out before the 360/85. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Parwez Hamid Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 1:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re:

Re: A minimum of 8 GB of real memory is required to IPL

It's temping to be parsimonious and reduce storage allocation to a bare minimum, but it can be a losing game. Regardless of how little storage you specify in an LPAR profile, the hardware itself will adjust the 'effective allocation' according to the CPU model. That is, the amount of storage

Re: Water-cooled 360s?

The first 360 water cooled system was Model 85 followed by the various 'variants' of Model 91 (including the 195) Regards Parwez Hamid​ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Lester, Bob Sent: 09 December 2019 18:36 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: Interchange best practice? (was: GIT ... length issue)

The Rocket git port has these pre-reqs: bash, gzip and perl Lionel B. Dyck < Website: http://www.lbdsoftware.com "Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation merely what others think you are." - John Wooden -Original Message- From: IBM

Re: Water-cooled 360s?

Hi, Yup, I worked on 360/75J and it was air-cooled. BobL -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Michael Stein Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 11:29 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXT] Re: Water-cooled 360s? On Mon, Dec 09, 2019 at 12:36:38PM

Re: Interchange best practice? (was: GIT ... length issue)

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 12:18:20 -0600, Lionel B Dyck wrote: >The zigi package has been generated in TSO XMIT format and sent to Sam for >inclusion on the CBTTape and it will be there in the near future. The initial >packaging was for those who could run git to clone. There is also the option >to

Re: Water-cooled 360s?

On Mon, Dec 09, 2019 at 12:36:38PM -0500, Phil Smith III wrote: > https://hackaday.com/2019/12/08/the-barn-find-ibm-360-comes-home/ > sparked a discussion on a private list about air- and water-cooling. I'm > quite sure that the /44 and /75 we had at UofWaterloo were air-cooled, > because we had

Re: Water-cooled 360s?

System 360/195 had a coolant distribution unit known as 3086. Regards Parwez Hamid​ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Robert Longabaugh <01f25da983e8-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: 09 December 2019 18:02 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: Water-cooled 360s?

An IBM 370/168 was water cooled. We had three of them at EDS in Camp Hill back in the '70s. => http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/IBM-ProdAnn/370-168.pdf <= -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Allan Staller Sent: Monday,

Re: Interchange best practice? (was: GIT ... length issue)

The zigi package has been generated in TSO XMIT format and sent to Sam for inclusion on the CBTTape and it will be there in the near future. The initial packaging was for those who could run git to clone. There is also the option to download the package in a zip file, which then requires that

Interchange best practice? (was: GIT ... length issue)

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 05:44:08 -0600, Lionel B Dyck wrote: >If you are trying to ftp the rocket git distribution then you should be >ftp'ing it to OMVS and not to z/OS datasets. If you are trying to work with >the zigi (z/OS ISPF Git Interface) then again, ftp to OMVS files and use the >install.sh

Re: Water-cooled 360s?

I worked at a telco in the 1980s and the 3033, 3032, and 3033MP were water cooled. There was a 3037 PCDU (Power/Cooling Distribution Unit). I think the 3031 was air cooled. On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:57 AM Christopher Y. Blaicher < cblaic...@syncsort.com> wrote: > 370/165 and 370/168 were water

Re: Water-cooled 360s?

370/165 and 370/168 were water cooled. Chris Blaicher Technical Architect Syncsort, Inc. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Allan Staller Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 12:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re:

Re: Water-cooled 360s?

IIRC, Water cooling did not appear until (at the earliest) the 308x processors. I am 99.9% positive there were no water cooled S360 or S370 processors. HTH, -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Phil Smith III Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 11:37 AM To:

Re: GIT z/OS - ftp to mainframe - record length issue

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 12:29:17 +, Denis wrote: >I had the same issue, because the mainframe is not allowed to access anything >outside. So git clone does not work.I used git clone on windows, did an ascii >ftp upload to a z/OS HFS and then used the cp -F lf -U -M ZIGI.V1R3.PANELS/*

Water-cooled 360s?

https://hackaday.com/2019/12/08/the-barn-find-ibm-360-comes-home/ sparked a discussion on a private list about air- and water-cooling. I'm quite sure that the /44 and /75 we had at UofWaterloo were air-cooled, because we had no water. (That was one of the motivations for VM SSI, because we

Re: Fw: Re: GIT z/OS - ftp to mainframe - record length issue

You may need to convert the file from unix (LF ending) to windows (CRLF ending) format before you upload. Notepad++ has that option Or >From windows command line this may work (found via google): more /P output_file Lionel B. Dyck < Website: http://www.lbdsoftware.com "Worry more about your

Re: Fw: Re: GIT z/OS - ftp to mainframe - record length issue

Thank you Lionel, Matt and Denis, I am trying to ftp IBM z/OS sample plugin file from windows to OMVS (zfs file) and it received distorted. I tried copying as suggested by Denis but no help yet. here is a sample file that I am trying to upload Files in question are Java script and Java script

Re: Most-used instructions? Just for fun.

Hi Charles, What about Macro expansions? What about dead code? Regards, David On 2019-12-09 11:08, Charles Mills wrote: > Not a rigorous measurement, but would be easy to write Rexx to scan a series > of code libraries and count. > > Charles > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe

Re: Most-used instructions? Just for fun.

Not a rigorous measurement, but would be easy to write Rexx to scan a series of code libraries and count. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Binyamin Dissen Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 2:52 AM To:

Re: A minimum of 8 GB of real memory is required to IPL

I'm pretty sure I've heard it mentioned that Bill Gates said "Who could ever need more than 640K of RAM?" Haha, how times have changed. _ Dave Jousma AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering  Fifth

Re: A minimum of 8 GB of real memory is required to IPL

W dniu 2019-12-09 o 15:56, Burgess, Otto A. pisze: Good to know, thanks Perhaps IBM is more conservative on the recommendations than they need to be Well, not so long ago we discussed whether 1GB is really good choice for sandbox z/OS system. The other options were 512MB and .75GB. Later we

Re: Most-used instructions? Just for fun.

W dniu 2019-12-09 o 11:05, Rupert Reynolds pisze: Has anyone seen a list of the most-used machine instructions? I know first one: NOP -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: -

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Re: Most-used instructions? Just for fun.

Most coded or most executed? Most coded across all in-use code, or most coded in recent coding? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Rupert Reynolds Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 2:05 AM To:

Re: A minimum of 8 GB of real memory is required to IPL

Good to know, thanks Perhaps IBM is more conservative on the recommendations than they need to be -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 11:44 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: A minimum of

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Re: readdir ?

Thank you Paul - just figured that out by more digging  Lionel B. Dyck < Website: http://www.lbdsoftware.com "Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation merely what others think you are." - John Wooden -Original Message- From: IBM

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Re: readdir ?

For the second stem variables, you have to further qualify them when referring to them. e.g. s.1.1 Working example: /* REXX */ call syscalls 'ON' dir = '/etc' address syscall "readdir (dir) dir1. dir2." do j = 0 to dir1.0 say dir1.j end do j = 1 to dir1.0 say dir2.j.1 dir2.j.2 dir2.j.3

Re: readdir ?

I did some more testing - thanks to STEMEDIT - and found that the stat's stem.0 does not have a value but stem.n.0 does Lionel B. Dyck < Website: http://www.lbdsoftware.com "Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation merely what others think

Re: readdir ?

Hi Lionel! The example found here shows the path enclosed in parens: subroutine: procedure junk =

Re: GIT z/OS - ftp to mainframe - record length issue

Same comment as Lionel except I use sftp Matt Hogstrom PGP key 0F143BC1 > On Dec 9, 2019, at 06:44, Lionel B Dyck wrote: > > If you are trying to ftp the rocket git distribution then you should be > ftp'ing it to OMVS and not to z/OS datasets. If you are trying to work with > the zigi (z/OS

readdir ?

I'm trying to use the readdir command in rexx and it is partially working and partially not. This is what I've tried - both with the d. s. in quotes and not in quotes. The d. returns data and the s. does not. The doc implies that s. should return statistics info on the respective directory

Re: GIT z/OS - ftp to mainframe - record length issue

I had the same issue, because the mainframe is not allowed to access anything outside. So git clone does not work.I used git clone on windows, did an ascii ftp upload to a z/OS HFS and then used the cp -F lf -U -M ZIGI.V1R3.PANELS/* //'HLQ.ZIGI.V1R3.PANELS' command to copy. You need to tailor

Re: Misuse of the word hexadecimnal (Was RE: COPYING PDS TO PDS ...)

Learning is never a bad thing, the older you are and more experience one realizes there are a lot of items in this industry to learn... On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 2:35 AM Vernooij, Kees (ITOP NM) - KLM < kees.verno...@klm.com> wrote: > Thanks. > Again, one is never too old to learn, even at 98.5%

Re: GIT z/OS - ftp to mainframe - record length issue

If you are trying to ftp the rocket git distribution then you should be ftp'ing it to OMVS and not to z/OS datasets. If you are trying to work with the zigi (z/OS ISPF Git Interface) then again, ftp to OMVS files and use the install.sh script to get the files to z/OS for use. Hope this helps If

Re: Most-used instructions? Just for fun.

I suppose IBM has done this, in order to further tune their systems into more decimals. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Binyamin Dissen Sent: 09 December 2019 11:52 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re:

Re: Most-used instructions? Just for fun.

How would one measure this? On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 10:05:26 + Rupert Reynolds wrote: :>Has anyone seen a list of the most-used machine instructions? -- Binyamin Dissen http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar & Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and

Most-used instructions? Just for fun.

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