Re: Why does IBM keep saying things like this:

2013-06-10 Thread Timothy Sipples
John Gilmore writes: Get Actionable Insight with Security Intelligence for Mainframe Environments is a good deal more offensive than a porous statistic. It sounds significant, bit it is pretentious nonsense. Properly, 'actionable' is a lawyer's term that means 'open to legal action,

Re: XRC Volume Resync on a Return Home

2013-06-10 Thread Paolo Cacciari
AFAIK, XRC incremental resynch is a GDPS-only feature. I've never seen non GDPS/XRC users using it. Paolo Cacciari - IBM BCRS Italy From: Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Date: 07/06/2013 00:09 Subject:Re: XRC Volume Resync on a Return Home

Re: XRC Volume Resync on a Return Home

2013-06-10 Thread Mike Schwab
PPRC has a bit map for updated tracks. If a mirroring set becomes suspended, you can resume the mirroring and just the updated tracks are sent. On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 2:24 AM, Paolo Cacciari paolo.cacci...@it.ibm.com wrote: AFAIK, XRC incremental resynch is a GDPS-only feature. I've never seen

Re: Check out CERN Data Centre passes 100 petabytes | CERN

2013-06-10 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Ed Finnell wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center Future Home of a bigger PRISM when the current spy drama has settled down? If you want to be an instant expert according to J. G., look at and be very afraid about losing privacy:

Re: Choosing a tape library

2013-06-10 Thread Hervey Martinez
Gadi, We are about to start testing a Luminex VTS and, from everything that we've read, it appears to be an excellent solution. Regards, Hervey -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of ??? ?? ??? Sent: Sunday, June 09,

Re: Choosing a tape library

2013-06-10 Thread גדי בן אבי
Thanks, But from what I see, they do not have a reseller in Israel. I also doubt that our DR site, which is run by IBM, will let us use this. Our main use for tapes, is to transfer data to the DR site. gadi -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Choosing a tape library

2013-06-10 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2013-06-10 13:29, גדי בן אבי pisze: Thanks, But from what I see, they do not have a reseller in Israel. I also doubt that our DR site, which is run by IBM, will let us use this. Our main use for tapes, is to transfer data to the DR site. I'd suggest 4 3590's connected to A60.

Re: Choosing a tape library

2013-06-10 Thread גדי בן אבי
Our goals are: Make backups run fast so we can back more data in a limited backup window. Transfer the tapes to our DR site. They definitely have 3592's. Encryption is not required. Gadi -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf

Re: Choosing a tape library

2013-06-10 Thread Richard Marchant
Gadi, In South Africa we have installed Luminex VTL / Data Domain solutions for mainframe customers and it works very well. The Data Domain is not mandatory and could be replaced with less expensive disk as Luminex now has replication and compression capabilities, this would make it a cheaper

Re: Choosing a tape library

2013-06-10 Thread Mike Schwab
LTOs are pretty high capacity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_Tape-Open On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:52 AM, גדי בן אבי gad...@malam.com wrote: Our goals are: Make backups run fast so we can back more data in a limited backup window. Transfer the tapes to our DR site. They definitely have

Re: X11 forwarding

2013-06-10 Thread Mark Pace
True - that was my stated objective. But it was out of ignorance, I thought all X went through SSH. Since this test is over a VPN, I don't care how it works, as long as it does. On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Fri, 7 Jun 2013 13:53:38 -0400, Mark

Re: Choosing a tape library

2013-06-10 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2013-06-10 14:03, Mike Schwab pisze: LTOs are pretty high capacity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_Tape-Open Oh, yes, but there are no FICON-attached versions. So, no z/OS system can use them (directly). Indirect use via some magic box like BusTech, Luminex or Interkom is another

Re: Choosing a tape library

2013-06-10 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2013-06-10 13:52, גדי בן אבי pisze: Our goals are: Make backups run fast so we can back more data in a limited backup window. Transfer the tapes to our DR site. They definitely have 3592's. Encryption is not required. Then buy some second-hand J70 (with FICON cards) + FC switch +

Re: Choosing a tape library

2013-06-10 Thread גדי בן אבי
Thanks, I will let the higher ups know. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 3:32 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Choosing a tape library W dniu 2013-06-10 13:52, גדי בן אבי

Re: Why does IBM keep saying things like this:

2013-06-10 Thread John Gilmore
In defense|defence of IBM's use of 'actionable' Timothy Sipples has used recognition by a Merriam-Webster dictionary of the sense 'capable of being acted upon'. The single example he cites is semantically contaminated by its law-enforcement/legal context, but for his purposes this is not perhaps

Re: Allocated a Non SMS managed Multi volume HFS dataset

2013-06-10 Thread Mark Jacobs
That JCL example works fine for a single ZFS file system, but if you need to define many, and don't want to use multiple job steps, you can do something like this using the CoZ Toolkit. //COZBATCH EXEC COZBATCH //STDENV DD * cyl=1 1 volumes=ZOS3AZ aggr001=SYSZFS.FILESYSA

Re: Why does IBM keep saying things like this:

2013-06-10 Thread Steve Comstock
On 6/10/2013 6:45 AM, John Gilmore wrote: [snip] I am prepared to concede that IBM evolves. Some of this evolution is admirable, some not; but it is important to remember that not corporations buy people write text. interesting construction above Some write English or another language

zIIP enablement with BMC

2013-06-10 Thread Jan Vanbrabant
Hi, Is thee some documentation or some article which globalizes all (BMC products which are zIIP-capable? Is it correct that zIIP-capable offloading is discovered by the tools and utilities themselves and that it starts by itself (without parametrization, I mean), *IF* they are at the correct

Re: Why does IBM keep saying things like this:

2013-06-10 Thread John Gilmore
The letters 'y' and 't' are adjacent on my keyboard (and many others). The token 'buy' should have been 'but', less interesting but what I meant. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: DFHSM QUESTION : Allocation/migration Threshold: High . . 95 (1-99) Low . . 80 (0-99)

2013-06-10 Thread Staller, Allan
It is my understanding that if the volume does not exceed the high threshold, migration will not begin on that volume. Once migration begins, It will continue until the low threshold is reached (normally, oldest datasets migrated first). A specific dataset may or may not migrate as specified in

Re: zIIP enablement with BMC

2013-06-10 Thread Bright, Randy
The easiest way to find out how zIIP enabled the products you are licensed for is to contact your local friendly BMC Software Consultant or Sales person. They can provide you with information about which products you own can make use of zIIP and to what degree. Or you could open a Support

Re: Why does IBM keep saying things like this:

2013-06-10 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
John Gilmore wrote: The letters 'y' and 't' are adjacent on my keyboard (and many others). The token 'buy' should have been 'but', less interesting but what I meant. I don't buy it, but ... pun intended! ;-D No offense meant, I just like and learn what all of you wrote. ;-D All of the very

Re: Choosing a tape library

2013-06-10 Thread Scott Fagen
גדי בן אבי said: Hi, I was asked to help choose a tape library for our system. -- snip -- As mentioned by another poster, for your use, a tapeless solution might prove most scalable. You can use a something other than shipping to get your data to D/R. See shameless-plug

Re: Data volumes

2013-06-10 Thread Richard Peurifoy
On 6/9/2013 10:07 AM, John Gilmore wrote: The numbers 9 and 27 (for the venturesome) still prevail in many shops. Much larger values, never available as physical, spinning DASD, appear to make some people uneasy. They get used, reluctantly at least on the first occasion, only when some

Re: Data volumes

2013-06-10 Thread John Gilmore
Richard, I don't of course know the details of your situation, but in each of the 6 six rather different shops where I have looked at this issue in detail it has turned out that PAV was the economic choice, decisively so. If an occasion for revisiting it quantitatively ever arises, you should

Storage paradigm [was: RE: Data volumes]

2013-06-10 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Rant Like a few others on this list, I have often gritted my teeth at the necessity to estimate disk storage quantities that vary widely over time in a fixed manner (i.e., SPACE in JCL) when the true need is just to match output volume to input volume each day. Why is it that IBM (and

Re: Storage paradigm [was: RE: Data volumes]

2013-06-10 Thread John McKown
In general, I agree. But I will say that I need something to limit run-away usage of disk space. Why? Because we have had programmers who didn't want to be bother either. So they put out a report to SPOOL. And then their program went into a loop; writing the same message over and over. This

Re: Storage paradigm [was: RE: Data volumes]

2013-06-10 Thread Dale R. Smith
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 11:38:08 -0400, Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com wrote: Rant Like a few others on this list, I have often gritted my teeth at the necessity to estimate disk storage quantities that vary widely over time in a fixed manner (i.e., SPACE in JCL) when the true

Re: Check out CERN Data Centre passes 100 petabytes | CERN

2013-06-10 Thread DASDBILL2
A few more orders of magnitude and they'll maybe begin rivaling our NSA, whose mission is to track and record data on every electron in the universe. Bill Fairchild Franklin, TN “Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder acceptable, and to give the appearance of

Re: Storage paradigm [was: RE: Data volumes]

2013-06-10 Thread Blaicher, Christopher Y.
I am not a LUW person, other than I use a windows machine for simple things, so I am curious how external storage is allocated and controlled in that environment. I think we have all heard the complaints about the short-comings of MVS in this area, but what would be a realistic solution? I

Re: Storage paradigm [was: RE: Data volumes]

2013-06-10 Thread John McKown
LUW works similar to z/OS UNIX file systems. I.e. there is a file system which is formatted using some utility (mkfs in the Linux/UNIX world, format in Windows). This sets up all the internals. In today's LUW, it is usually possible for a single file to be as big as the file system upon which it

OLAs (was: Storage paradigm)

2013-06-10 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 11:08:32 -0500, Dale R. Smith wrote: (really IBM, you can't come up with better names for hardware/software than 1 character? And i, is this an Apple box?) Just as challenging to search the web for as C. -- gil

Re: Storage paradigm [was: RE: Data volumes]

2013-06-10 Thread Roberts, John J
For Windows Capabilities, I suggest reading about Dynamic Disks and Dynamic Volumes on MSDN: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa363785(v=vs.85).aspx John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive

Re: OLAs (was: Storage paradigm)

2013-06-10 Thread John McKown
And it sounds so egotistical. grin/ On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.comwrote: On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 11:08:32 -0500, Dale R. Smith wrote: (really IBM, you can't come up with better names for hardware/software than 1 character? And i, is this an Apple box?)

Re: Why does IBM keep saying things like this:

2013-06-10 Thread DASDBILL2
Not my insight, but that sentence itself seems actionable, and reminds me  of some other winners I've seen from IBM over the decades: HASP sprayed bits at random, resulting in a S0C4 (seen in a RETAIN item 40 years ago, and the only example here that is humorous); The operator onlined the

Re: Storage paradigm [was: RE: Data volumes]

2013-06-10 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 6/10/2013 12:15 PM, Blaicher, Christopher Y. wrote: I am not a LUW person, other than I use a windows machine for simple things, so I am curious how external storage is allocated and controlled in that environment. I think we have all heard the complaints about the short-comings of MVS in

Re: Storage paradigm [was: RE: Data volumes]

2013-06-10 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 6/10/2013 11:38 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: Rant Like a few others on this list, I have often gritted my teeth at the necessity to estimate disk storage quantities that vary widely over time in a fixed manner (i.e., SPACE in JCL) when the true need is just to match output volume to input

Re: Storage paradigm [was: RE: Data volumes]

2013-06-10 Thread Mike Schwab
Download GnuPartEd, Burn it to CD-ROM, Boot from it, resize as needed. On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Roberts, John J jrobe...@dhs.state.ia.us wrote: For Windows Capabilities, I suggest reading about Dynamic Disks and Dynamic Volumes on MSDN:

Re: DFHSM QUESTION : Allocation/migration Threshold: High . . 95 (1-99) Low . . 80 (0-99)

2013-06-10 Thread willie bunter
Would lowering the high threshold to as low as possible (for example 20) solve the problem.  The objective is to keep the volumes as free as possible because mostly GDG (output) dsns reside on the volumes and never used as input. From: Staller, Allan

Re: I/O Optimization

2013-06-10 Thread DASDBILL2
Standard means that all block sizes are the same, except for possibly the last one, which might be short. Spanned means that a single logical record might span multiple physical blocks, but the way it is implemented results in having all block sizes be the same, except for possibly the last

Re: DFHSM QUESTION : Allocation/migration Threshold: High . . 95 (1-99) Low . . 80 (0-99)

2013-06-10 Thread Mike Schwab
We use 10% 1% for these types of volumes. Not 85% 1%. On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 12:38 PM, willie bunter williebun...@yahoo.com wrote: Would lowering the high threshold to as low as possible (for example 20) solve the problem. The objective is to keep the volumes as free as possible because

Re: DFHSM QUESTION : Allocation/migration Threshold: High . . 95 (1-99) Low . . 80 (0-99)

2013-06-10 Thread Staller, Allan
snip Would lowering the high threshold to as low as possible (for example 20) solve the problem. The objective is to keep the volumes as free as possible because mostly GDG (output) dsns reside on the volumes and never used as input. /snip Just off the top of my head, High 70, low 20. YMMV.

Re: Check out CERN Data Centre passes 100 petabytes | CERN

2013-06-10 Thread Ed Finnell
Seems like it'd be cheaper to just befriend everybody on facebook. Remember a SHARE presentation by NSA from mid-nineties and they described some of what they do. Said their goal was to remain 5 yrs ahead of 'state-of-the-art'. In a message dated 6/10/2013 5:17:06 A.M. Central Daylight

Error or Journal Dataset

2013-06-10 Thread Mike Wojtukiewicz
I just got this error on a multi system shared DFHSM database. I can't anything recent and since the disk drives are new technology DS8 type I doubt there's a hardware error. The complete message is below. Any help would be appreciated and no we can't call IBM, it's z/OS 1.11 and they'd

Re: Error or Journal Dataset

2013-06-10 Thread Staller, Allan
The key to your problem is here ERROR CODE=0900 TYPE=SNAP ARC0900I DFSMSHSM ERROR CODE 0900 IN MODULE ARCILOG Most likely a journal full condition. F DFHSM,Q CDS (I would expect to see the journal 100% full) F DFHSM, BACKVOL CDS (backs up CDS's and resets journals) After successful

Re: Storage paradigm [was: RE: Data volumes]

2013-06-10 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
As to the religious aspect, I did try to signal the less-than-practical nature of my note with the Rant and /Rant tags. To your point about tailoring and dynamically submitting JCL, it really is an issue. In a typical large z/OS shop today, dynamically tailoring and submitting JCL is only

Re: Error or Journal Dataset

2013-06-10 Thread John McKown
I had a similar problem a few months ago on z/OS 1.12. The bottom line fix was to stop DFHSM on all the sharing systems (two in my case). Use ISPF to delete (or rename) and redefine the DFHSM journal data set. I made it much bigger while I was at it, but that may not be necessary. I then restarted

Re: Storage paradigm [was: RE: Data volumes]

2013-06-10 Thread John McKown
Too true. And, around here, our QA people appear to be glitz checkers instead of function and reliability checkers. They have more people than any other group and do less testing on the mainframe. They seem to check mainly for ease of use. That is, can a totally numb skull still use this? On Mon,

Re: command=verify

2013-06-10 Thread gsg
I'm being told we use MacKinney Batch and the open/close commands are within the batch job. We also have Mailbox,job scheduler commands in the JCL. 100's of them. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

USS - OMVS.USER

2013-06-10 Thread gsg
Is there a way/command to determine all of the file systems mounted on OMVS.USER? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: USS - OMVS.USER

2013-06-10 Thread Mark Pace
The way I check what filesystems are mounted is D OMVS,F or from a shell df On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 3:58 PM, gsg gsg_...@yahoo.com wrote: Is there a way/command to determine all of the file systems mounted on OMVS.USER?

Re: command=verify

2013-06-10 Thread Ed Gould
Hope your auditor doesn't find out;-) ed On Jun 10, 2013, at 2:52 PM, gsg wrote: I'm being told we use MacKinney Batch and the open/close commands are within the batch job. We also have Mailbox,job scheduler commands in the JCL. 100's of them.

Re: command=verify

2013-06-10 Thread retired mainframer
Open and close are not z/OS or JES2 commands. (Are they JES3?) In any event, since they are issued by the batch programs they would not be affected by the command=verify setting. Since command=verify is merely an auditor recommendation, it is up to management to either accept the current risk

Re: I/O Optimization

2013-06-10 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:43:58 +, DASDBILL2 wrote: Spanned means that a single logical record might span multiple physical blocks, but the way it is implemented results in having all block sizes be the same, except for possibly the last one, which might be short. Is uniform lengths a

Re: I/O Optimization

2013-06-10 Thread Barry Merrill
VBS Blocksize in dumped SMF data with RECFM=VBS,LRECL=32760,BLKSIZE=0 does NOT produce interior same-sized blocks, as this small file from my DEV machine shows: LENGTHFREQUENCY PERCENT 15712 1

Re: I/O Optimization

2013-06-10 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I seem to recall some doc from pre-VSAM SMF (pre-MVS/SP[SE?]) that many blocks were written 'short'. For example: the Type-74 (Device Activity) RMF records (a collapsed link list of multiple devices) were always started on a block boundary, even if there was 'room' in the previous record. But,

Re: I/O Optimization

2013-06-10 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Easy for you to way! - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From: Blaicher, Christopher Y. cblaic...@syncsort.com Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:31:31 To:

Anyone familiar with how z/OS CSRCESRV works?

2013-06-10 Thread Charles Mills
Is anyone familiar with the internals of CSRCESRV run-length compression? I am familiar with RLE schemes in general -- typically a run of n identical characters is replaced with something like escapencharacter. Does anyone know the specifics of z/OS's scheme? What is the escape character? How is n

Re: Anyone familiar with how z/OS CSRCESRV works?

2013-06-10 Thread Tony Harminc
On 10 June 2013 19:58, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: Is anyone familiar with the internals of CSRCESRV run-length compression? I am familiar with RLE schemes in general -- typically a run of n identical characters is replaced with something like escapencharacter. Does anyone know the

Re: Anyone familiar with how z/OS CSRCESRV works?

2013-06-10 Thread Charles Mills
Thanks. I remember SCS! I've written a couple of 3270 emulators. SCS was used for 3270 printers, right? Does not look quite right. As I recall, cc = 0 is illegal, right? Here is the beginning of some compressed data: 80 7f 00 01 00 02 00 03 00 04 00 05 ... so cc is 0. Circumstantial

Re: I/O Optimization

2013-06-10 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:18:48 -0500, Barry Merrill wrote: VBS Blocksize in dumped SMF data with RECFM=VBS,LRECL=32760,BLKSIZE=0 does NOT produce interior same-sized blocks, as this small file from my DEV machine shows: LENGTHFREQUENCY PERCENT

Re: [SPAM] Re: Storage paradigm [was: RE: Data volumes]

2013-06-10 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 6/10/2013 2:46 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: To your point about tailoring and dynamically submitting JCL, it really is an issue. In a typical large z/OS shop today, dynamically tailoring and submitting JCL is only permitted for test environments and users. Production JCL is frozen and

Re: Storage paradigm [was: RE: Data volumes]

2013-06-10 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 6/10/2013 2:57 PM, Ted MacNEIL wrote: What planet are you from? Sol 3 Programmers seem able to test everything except that one condition that will break in Production Perhaps you are keeping bad company. While humans are not perfect, there are methods to improve code reliability.