OT: How much does software weigh? (was:What's a "ton" of JCL?)

That's what NASA asked their programmers when designing the Apollo's. They answered: 'Nothing.'. 'Really, we can hardly believe this.'. 'It is true, we only use the holes in the punchcards.' Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]

Re: OT: How much does software weigh? (was:What's a "ton" of JCL?)

I know that story. Since it's Friday, here's another: A reporter asked Alan Sheppard what he was thinking about as he blasted off. Response: Every part in here was built by the lowest bidder. Scary! - -teD -   Original Message   From: Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015

Re: Online manuals for 3880-21, 3880-23, 3990, 2105 et al?

On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 14:44:36 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: >Dooes anybody have links for online manuals for DASD controllers >starting with > >3880-21 >3880-23 >3990 >2105 is http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/ibm/38xx/3880/

Re: OT: How much does software weigh? (was:What's a "ton" of JCL?)

On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 08:00:52 +, Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote: >That's what NASA asked their programmers when designing the Apollo's. >They answered: 'Nothing.'. >'Really, we can hardly believe this.'. >'It is true, we only use the holes in the punchcards.' > Decades ago, I was

Re: IBM z Systems Development Blog

W dniu 2015-12-04 o 14:55, Elardus Engelbrecht pisze: [...] There are still enough fishes in our oceans, dams and rivers for a while, but ... Your grand children will ask this question and you're too old to remember anyways: Mainframe? Fish? z/OS? Rhinos? MVS? Tigers? RACF? Pandas? What are

Re: Online manuals for 3880-21, 3880-23, 3990, 2105 et al?

Do you mean 2105 or ESS Shark? None of them introduced 1024 devs per box. The relief was intruduced "architecturally" with the ESCON and implemented in earlier DASD boxes like Ramac RVA (can't remember model, it was higher than T82), Tetragon 2100 aka HDS Freedom 7700E and others. The trick

Re: IBM z Systems Development Blog

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Mike Schwab wrote: > On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 7:34 AM, John McKown > wrote: > > > too true. I may even start playing the state lottery, even though that's > > not really a good idea. I understand enough

Re: IBM z Systems Development Blog

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 7:34 AM, John McKown wrote: > too true. I may even start playing the state lottery, even though that's > not really a good idea. I understand enough statistics to know that. > Don't play in Illinois. They only give you and IOU. -- Mike A

Re: IBM z Systems Development Blog

John McKown wrote: too true. I may even start playing the state lottery, even though that's not really a good idea. I understand enough statistics to know that. ​ After I interviewed Prof. William Kahan (designer of the math for the Intel 8087 co-processor) in 1997, (

Re: IBM z Systems Development Blog

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Shane Ginnane wrote: > On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 06:43:23 -0600, John McKown wrote: > > >I've bookmarked that in my browser. Thanks. > > Me too. > Pity the z business here has gone so far down the toilet I've had to wind > up my company and wander

Re: Online manuals for 3880-21, 3880-23, 3990, 2105 et al?

The IBM Enterprise Storage Server (ESS) more commonly known as a "SHARK". Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 8:40 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re:

Re: Online manuals for 3880-21, 3880-23, 3990, 2105 et al?

We indeed received real size (0.5 meter or so) black plastic shark fins, to put on top of the boxes. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ed Finnell Sent: 04 December, 2015 14:50 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: IBM z Systems Development Blog

Shane Ginnane wrote: >Sobering ;0) Indeed. I was at a casino once and it amazed me that there are zombies sitting there all day and night, staring at and feeding those one-arm bandits. Now and then I do buy a lotto ticket. Half of the time I do get my money back. Never won enough to buy

Re: IBM z Systems Development Blog

I've bookmarked that in my browser. Thanks. On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 10:52 PM, Anthony Giorgio < niteh...@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote: > Did you know that the IBM z Systems development team has a blog? If you > want to hear news about IBM products right from the experts who develop > them, then

Re: Online manuals for 3880-21, 3880-23, 3990, 2105 et al?

Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: >Dooes anybody have links for online manuals for DASD controllers starting with >3880-21 >3880-23 >3990 >2105 No links, but I see you got a good reply about a bitsavers link. And there are indeed some good scanned-in 3880 books there. I still

Re: Online manuals for 3880-21, 3880-23, 3990, 2105 et al?

The 2105 is the ESS or Shark as it was introduced. Superseded by the DS8000. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht Sent: 04 December, 2015 14:40 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Online

Re: IBM z Systems Development Blog

On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 07:34:25 -0600, John McKown wrote: >​too true. I may even start playing the state lottery, even though that's >not really a good idea. I understand enough statistics to know that. ​ Don't do that. I was listening to the BBC overnight a few weeks back, and they must have been

Re: IBM z Systems Development Blog

They are like Christmas presents. You see the most beautiful things in the shops, but you know you will never get them. That's depressing. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Shane Ginnane Sent: 04 December, 2015

Re: Online manuals for 3880-21, 3880-23, 3990, 2105 et al?

Fins on the left, fins on the rightwe got Hula girls tonight. Sorry too much Margaritaville. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Enterprise_Storage_Server In a message dated 12/4/2015 7:40:22 A.M. Central Standard Time, elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za writes: Uhm, what is a 2105? It

Re: Online manuals for 3880-21, 3880-23, 3990, 2105 et al?

Uhh, thanks to all to tell this shark the real truth... I know that thing by the name of ESS or Shark, but never realised it is 2105... showing off my decaying brain ... (One thing is good about being old - oldies have fewer brain cells to use, care and worry about...) Thanks again!

Re: IBM z Systems Development Blog

On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 06:43:23 -0600, John McKown wrote: >I've bookmarked that in my browser. Thanks. Me too. Pity the z business here has gone so far down the toilet I've had to wind up my company and wander off into retirement.. Interest only now. Shane ...

Re: IBM z Systems Development Blog

John McKown wrote: >​too true. I may even start playing the state lottery, even though that's not >really a good idea. I understand enough statistics to know that. ​ and Shane Ginnane wrote: >Pity the z business here has gone so far down the toilet I've had to wind up >my company and wander off

Re: Online manuals for 3880-21, 3880-23, 3990, 2105 et al?

It was the jump from 256 to 1024 and four digit UCB's among other niceties. In a message dated 12/4/2015 8:01:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za writes: I know that thing by the name of ESS or Shark, but never realised it is 2105...

Re: IBM z Systems Development Blog

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Shane Ginnane wrote: > On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 07:34:25 -0600, John McKown wrote: > > >​too true. I may even start playing the state lottery, even though that's > >not really a good idea. I understand enough statistics to know that. ​ > > Don't do

Re: IBM z Systems Development Blog

On Dec 4, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: --SNIP Now and then I do buy a lotto ticket. Half of the time I do get my money back. Never won enough to buy lots of *more* lotto tickets anyway. It is more or less throwing away part of your money in the

Re: Online manuals for 3880-21, 3880-23, 3990, 2105 et al?

On Dec 4, 2015, at 9:08 AM, R.S. wrote: Do you mean 2105 or ESS Shark? None of them introduced 1024 devs per box. The relief was intruduced "architecturally" with the ESCON and implemented in earlier DASD boxes like Ramac RVA (can't remember model, it was higher than T82), Tetragon 2100

Re: IBM z Systems Development Blog

Some people have beaten the lottery! http://www.jordanellenberg.com/how-not-to-be-wrong/ A fun book to read. On 04/12/15 14:29, John McKown wrote: On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Shane Ginnane wrote: On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 07:34:25 -0600, John McKown wrote: ​too true. I

Re: Online manuals for 3880-21, 3880-23, 3990, 2105 et al?

In <5810852063744464.wa.jan.moeyersonsgfi...@listserv.ua.edu>, on 12/04/2015 at 05:20 AM, "Jantje." said: >is http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/ibm/38xx/3880/ >any help? No. that only has the manual for the 3889-1, 2, 3 and 4. I've got the mamuals for

Re: IBM z Systems Development Blog

On 4 December 2015 at 08:34, John McKown wrote: > ​too true. I may even start playing the state lottery, even though that's > not really a good idea. I understand enough statistics to know that. ​ > Thing is, buying a ticket is almost completely irrelevant to

Re: Online manuals for 3880-21, 3880-23, 3990, 2105 et al?

IBM has some "IBM EnterPrise Storage Server" books at http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/Shelves/EZ2HW125 There is also a smattering of the 3990 manuals there. Robert Harrison State of Oklahoma Office of Management and Enterprise Services.

Re: Online manuals for 3880-21, 3880-23, 3990, 2105 et al?

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Ed Gould wrote: > > Back in the 70's (early) we had a limit of somewhere around 1600 (sorry > exact number is foggy) devices on MVS. > In our case we were top heavy in the number of 3270's (local). When IBM > introduced the 3274-1A (1 UCB

Re: DFDSS RESTORE with RENUNC

On 12/04/2015 12:56 PM, Toni Cecil wrote: > Hello, > I've the following RESTORE SYSIN: > RESTORE- > DATASET(INCLUDE(PHAAXCX.FXX122)) - > RENUNC((PHAAXCX.FXX122,PHAAXCX.FXX122.RO2244V1)) - > INDDNAME(INPUT)- > CATALOG

Re: IBM z Systems Development Blog

In <5661ca41.2040...@codemagus.com>, on 12/04/2015 at 05:15 PM, Patrick Hayward said: >Some people have beaten the lottery! They're called ""The House". -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: IBM z Systems Development Blog

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Patrick Hayward wrote: > Some people have beaten the lottery! > http://www.jordanellenberg.com/how-not-to-be-wrong/ > > A fun book to read. Or bought 5M tickets (ran out of time trying to get all 7M possible combinations).

Re: IBM z Systems Development Blog

The BBC (British Broadcasting Corporation - UK) does *NOT* run any lottery. There are more than one (and a bit) different lotteries licensed in the UK and no I do not subscribe to any. The odds as you point out are horrendous. Originally it was bad enough with 6 numbers at odds of 14.5M : 1

Re: HMC Defining a new LOAD "object" under the TEST Lpar group.

On our HMC (2.13) under DAILY I have GROUPING (logged on as SYSPROG). Don't remember back to 2.9.2. Don’t think it has changed though. Alan Field Systems Engineer Principal Blue Cross Blue Shield of MN 651.662.3546 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: HMC Defining a new LOAD "object" under the TEST Lpar group.

On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 13:19:49 -0800, John Mattson wrote: >Inherited an HMC for my z9 at 2.9.2 level. Trying how to remember how do >define a new object to activate/load that lpar with my experimental testing >stuff. Been beating thru the HMC and SE manuals and cannot

IBM z890 Update.

Ok so I'm sure many have been wondering what happened with the z890. I have after many road blocks I have gotten the FCP SCSI storage working and actually did complete an install of CentOS 4.7 on it last night! But the new problem is IPLing said install. I would be-able to directly IPL from

HMC Defining a new LOAD "object" under the TEST Lpar group.

Inherited an HMC for my z9 at 2.9.2 level. Trying how to remember how do define a new object to activate/load that lpar with my experimental testing stuff. Been beating thru the HMC and SE manuals and cannot find what should be the simplest of tasks. Under GROUPS I have CPC Images, Defined CPCs,

Re: IBM z Systems Development Blog

Easier to get a Royal Flush. 265,000:1 - -teD -   Original Message   From: Vince Coen Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 16:17 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Subject: Re: IBM z Systems Development Blog The BBC (British Broadcasting Corporation - UK) does *NOT*

Re: HMC Defining a new LOAD "object" under the TEST Lpar group.

Thanks, everyone, Especially Dana. It was easy once you pointed the way. Wow, HMC has changed a lot in the last 15 years, but still a bit quirky. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: IBM z890 Update.

I know it was a free option because I asked the price from someone at IBM and informed me it was actually a free feature code. But they just don't offer it anymore. "Feature Code 9904 was available at no charge back in the day. Unfortunately Feature Code 9904 was only available for ordering

Re: length of "executable"

A PDS load module block is a multiple of 1K. PDSEs are built on linear datasets (VSAM) so it might be a 4K multiple. On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Frank Swarbrick wrote: > Currently we have some assembler 'data only programs' that we load under CICS > and point

Re: IBM z890 Update.

AFAIK SCSI IPL was paid feature, so it would be piracy to share it. Note, this is rather "hardware piracy". ;-) I'm not sure about terms and conditions, but possibly it is allowed to transfer such license, so someone could give it to you from some no longer used machine. BTW: You can obtain

Re: OT: What's a "ton" of JCL?

I have never written any JCL on the boxes, just labels and notes. /Tom Kern On 12/04/2015 00:33, Ted MacNEIL wrote: Is that counting the weight of the boxes themselves? - -teD - Original Message From: Thomas Kern Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 00:14 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply To:

length of "executable"

Currently we have some assembler 'data only programs' that we load under CICS and point to, i.e.: EXEC CICS LOAD PROGRAM ('XML1V2K') SET (ADDRESS OF CRD-SOURCE-AREA) FLENGTH (CRD-SOURCE-LEN) END-EXEC

Re: IBM z890 Update.

I would imagine that anything requiring microcode/millicode would be impossible without IBM's blessing. Maybe you could get a one-time exception as long as you have no commercial (including development of Mainframe products) usage planned for your system.. Of course IBM would not want

Re: IBM z890 Update.

A Luminex box can emulate CKD on SAN FBA. Does anyone have a used one available? On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Connor Krukosky wrote: > I know it was a free option because I asked the price from someone at IBM > and informed me it was actually a free feature code. >

Re: length of "executable"

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Frank Swarbrick wrote: > Currently we have some assembler 'data only programs' that we load under > CICS and point to, i.e.: > > EXEC CICS LOAD > PROGRAM ('XML1V2K') > SET (ADDRESS OF CRD-SOURCE-AREA) > FLENGTH

Re: IBM z890 Update.

On 4 December 2015 at 17:39, Connor Krukosky wrote: > Ok so I'm sure many have been wondering what happened with the z890. > Indeed. > I have after many road blocks I have gotten the FCP SCSI storage working > and actually did complete an install of CentOS 4.7 on it

Re: OT: What's a "ton" of JCL?

Haven't you seen the WORD "JCL" on card boxes I have:) Ed On Dec 4, 2015, at 6:48 PM, Thomas Kern wrote: I have never written any JCL on the boxes, just labels and notes. /Tom Kern On 12/04/2015 00:33, Ted MacNEIL wrote: Is that counting the weight of the boxes themselves? - -teD -

Re: IBM z890 Update.

On 12/4/2015 11:26 PM, Tony Harminc wrote: Your box has a floppy drive? Really? The SE does yes. Just so I'm clear... Your z890 plugs in to your SCSI disk box, but it won't IPL from it? That is, these are separate features? If I have this right, then it should be possible to write a small

Re: OT: How much does software weigh? (was:What's a "ton" of JCL?)

On 12/04/2015 09:04 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 08:00:52 +, Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote: > >> That's what NASA asked their programmers when designing the Apollo's. >> They answered: 'Nothing.'. >> 'Really, we can hardly believe this.'. >> 'It is true, we only use

Re: IBM z Systems Development Blog

On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 11:39:11 -0600, Ed Gould wrote: > >The chances of winning in IL are the same but on the downside they >don't pay if you are a winner > >Ed > And if you can't win the lottery fair and square, get a job with the commission and fix it:

Re: IBM z Systems Development Blog

On Dec 4, 2015, at 12:04 PM, Dana Mitchell wrote: On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 11:39:11 -0600, Ed Gould wrote: The chances of winning in IL are the same but on the downside they don't pay if you are a winner Ed And if you can't win the lottery fair and square, get a job

DFDSS RESTORE with RENUNC

Hello, I've the following RESTORE SYSIN: RESTORE- DATASET(INCLUDE(PHAAXCX.FXX122)) - RENUNC((PHAAXCX.FXX122,PHAAXCX.FXX122.RO2244V1)) - INDDNAME(INPUT)- CATALOG- SPHERE

Re: DFDSS RESTORE with RENUNC

How is the SMS routines set up? Did you nullify the SMS on the RESTORE. Can you provide the message from the restore? Lizette > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Toni Cecil > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015