Re: BLKSIZE=0 (was: Crazy ...)

2019-05-07 Thread Seymour J Metz
Well, removed except when it wasn't; there were caveats. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tom Marchant <000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Tuesday,

Re: COPYING PDS AND PDSE

2019-05-07 Thread Seymour J Metz
COPYMOD is for load module reblocking. There are no load modules in a PDSE. Off the top of my head I don't even recall whether it is valid for program objects. The COPY statement should work fine for PDSE. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~s

Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-07 Thread Seymour J Metz
tween jobs. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Jesse 1 Robinson Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 1:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: mainframe hacking "success stories

Re: BLKSIZE=0 (was: Crazy ...)

2019-05-07 Thread Seymour J Metz
There were documented cases where you still needed an explicit block size for the for the concatenation. Based on the OP, it would appear that there still are. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: [EXTERNAL MESSAGE] Re: COPYING PDS AND PDSE

2019-05-07 Thread Seymour J Metz
library and copy members from a load library, but Fetch would not be able to load them. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Blake, Daniel J [CTR] <00f1be92566d-dmarc-requ...@l

Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-07 Thread Seymour J Metz
Well, I knew hw to crack SVS 40 years ago, and I reported a security issue much more recently that allowed an operator to delete or overwrite data sets that he didn't have access to. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From

Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-07 Thread Seymour J Metz
How will knowledge of control blocks, SVCs, etc., allow you to escalate your privileges beyond those assigned to your userid and groupid? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tom

Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-07 Thread Seymour J Metz
1964? What is the 7090, chopped liver? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Monday, May 6, 2019 8:21 PM T

Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-07 Thread Seymour J Metz
. why MVS users nowadays need special authority to create a program dump. ? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bob Bridges Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 3:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN

Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-07 Thread Seymour J Metz
hmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tom Brennan Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 3:17 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"? I was really talki

Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-07 Thread Seymour J Metz
cript way back when. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tom Marchant <000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 2:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subje

Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-07 Thread Seymour J Metz
RACF database unprotected? That's not a properly secured system, any more than one with default passwords is. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Knutson, Samuel Sent: Monday

Re: BLKSIZE=0 (was: Crazy ...)

2019-05-07 Thread Seymour J Metz
The post quoted a message citing the block size. The obvious fix is BLKSIZE=32760, not BLKSIZE=0. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Jesse 1 Robinson Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 4

Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-07 Thread Seymour J Metz
The quoted text refers to controlled programs, which are not what users normally run. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bob Bridges Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 5:02 PM To: IBM

Re: BLKSIZE=0 (was: Crazy ...)

2019-05-07 Thread Seymour J Metz
BLKSIZE is intended for writing new datasets. If you're reading an existing dataset then SDB isn't applicable. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <000

Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-07 Thread Seymour J Metz
Remember that half of all security administrators are below average. Even when they are competent, there may be management directives that prevent them from properly securing the system. BTDT,GTS (no tee shirt, just the scars.) -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-07 Thread Seymour J Metz
authorized access was obtained in order to prevent it from happening again. If you're a judge or juror then it's important to know how access was obtained in order to decide how to assess liability. The only context in which how isn't paramount is for the people doing spin control.

Re: Take cover, it's a student programmer! | Computerworld Shark Tank

2019-05-08 Thread Seymour J Metz
I don't know where to begin, but it reads like buzzword bingo. How many of the errors can you spot? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Mark Regan Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 20

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-08 Thread Seymour J Metz
ssues at the same time, is worse than useless. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 10:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subjec

Re: MODGEN vs AMODGEN

2019-05-08 Thread Seymour J Metz
> To my understanding they are just a target lib and distribution library. Yes, which is why they are not 9nterchangable. If you want macros from the running system, use MODGEN and MTS; if you want only the accepted service, use AMODGEN. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.

Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-08 Thread Seymour J Metz
PROFS uses Script; AFAIK it doesn't format documents itself. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Phil Smith III Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 11:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.U

Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-08 Thread Seymour J Metz
There are two very different questions. 1. Is it safe to run multilevel security on this platform? 2. Is it safe to run multilevel security at this site? If the answer to the second question is no, then the answer to the first is irrelevant. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http

Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-08 Thread Seymour J Metz
Of course, some documents would no longer work, so you need management buyin to secure things. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Gabe Goldberg Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 12:31

Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-08 Thread Seymour J Metz
4. Get management buy in to fix the problems they find, if any. 5. Even if they find nothing, repeat the pen test periodically. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Charles Mills

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-08 Thread Seymour J Metz
"That is not new, it has already been, for there is nothing new under the Sun." There have been extensive discussions here over the decades about bad auditors. OTOH, if you're lucky enough to have competent auditors, they can really help. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http:

Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-08 Thread Seymour J Metz
ogram. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bob Bridges Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 5:46 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"? Y

Re: ind$file - omvs copy equivalent

2019-05-08 Thread Seymour J Metz
What happens if you pre-allocate the file as FB 80 and do a binary FTP? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Mike Stramba Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 3:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN

Re: ind$file - omvs copy equivalent

2019-05-08 Thread Seymour J Metz
Yes, but you can FTP to an MVS file, which you can allocate with attributes. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>

Re: COPYING PDS AND PDSE

2019-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
The examples don't address the question. However, elsewhere there is a warning not to use COPY for program objects. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of esmie moo <0127

Re: ind$file - omvs copy equivalent

2019-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
Not quite; the binary option is relevant to step 1. I was assuming just doing a binary FTP to an MVS datset and using that for the RECEIVE, but if you insist on both an MVS data set and an OMVS file, then the binary goes on step 11 and the attibue goes on step 2. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

Re: ind$file - omvs copy equivalent

2019-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
TP to an OMVS file and then copy it to an MVS dataset, then he still needs binary on the FTP. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@lists

Re: z/OS SMTP Question

2019-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
When you write "z/VM", do you mean RSCS or the z/VM SMTP? IAC, you might consider adding DCB options to XMITIP to control the format of the SPOOL file. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussio

Re: COPYING PDS AND PDSE

2019-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
e INDD and OUTDD data sets are both PDSs, COPYGROUP can only be used if the INDD and OUTDD data sets have the same blocksize." and "If the COPY statement is used to copy program objects, errors can occur." -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 __

Re: z/OS SMTP Question

2019-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
Don't you MIME encode the dataset attached to the e-mail? Or are you saying that the user have VB message text along with the file to be transmitted? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on b

Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
> And yes, it was a z/OS vulnerability. Are you saying that Bob Bridges was wrong when he wrote "The stolen ID also had read access to the RACF database.."? It's not a vulnerability of the lock when you leave your key on the porch for anyone to use. -- Shmuel (Sey

Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
Any customer who discovers a security bug can report it. BTDT,GTTS (just the tee shirt, no scars.) -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Lou Losee Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 4:21 PM

Re: Assembly JCL for tpx 5.4

2019-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
Configuration control is easier if everything in a target library gets there through SMP. IMHO documentation should precede implementation, with n immediate update if anything changes. I've heard that there's a round tuit shortage. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.e

Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
> Yes, that assertion is incorrect. Read my post. The only thing that I see that is relevant is where you quoted "There are also solid indications that they downloaded the RACF database (about 28MB", which certainly seems consistent with Bob's claim. -- Shmuel (Sey

Re: Can backup mechanisms be used to steal RACF database? was Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
Couldn't you grant the access only through PADS? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of ITschak Mugzach Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 1:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re

Re: Machine or O/S (z/os) instruction to recognize a zpdt ?

2019-05-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
STIDP STFL -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Mike Stramba Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 12:38 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Machine or O/S (z/os) instruction to recognize

Re: Concatenating VB and FB ?

2019-05-13 Thread Seymour J Metz
Concatenation of FB and VB isn't going to work. I prefer VB, but changing it after the fact is a user hostile move. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tim Hare Sent: Sunday

Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-13 Thread Seymour J Metz
SPARC? I was shocked when I found out that the failure of a sing processor could bring Solaris down. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Phil Smith III Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 2

Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-13 Thread Seymour J Metz
Physical security and software security are important, but so are procedures and processes. If, e.g., you use default passwords, your personal can be taken in by sicial engineering, then you're toast no matter how good your OS is. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~s

Re: DR Failover

2019-05-13 Thread Seymour J Metz
BTDT,GTS. See if you can get an indemnification clause in the contract for failure to provide temporary keys within the promised window. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Laurence

Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-13 Thread Seymour J Metz
c 'sing' 'single' It may happen with m$ but it doesn't happen with z/OS and I suspect that it doesn't happen with Linux (anyone here know what RAS Linux has?) -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From:

Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?

2019-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
obust. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Grant Taylor <023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 11:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re

Re: Concatenating VB and FB ?

2019-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
That's a concatenation of PS datasets, which {B|S]SAM can handle if you set the unlike attributes bit. For a concatenation of PO you'd need to use EXCP. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussio

Re: Concatenating VB and FB ?

2019-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
SMPE has supported RECFM=VB elements since Old Man Noach cornered the market in Gopher Wood. While access methods don't support PO concatenation of FB and VB, a bit of REXX coding using, e.g., LIBDEF, can greatly alleviate the problem. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~s

Re: z/OS specific commits (was: ... "awk" ...)

2019-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
You could charge $1,000 for the modified source but the purchaser would have the right to give copies away as long as he complied with the license. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf

Re: LE question

2019-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
-- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of scott Ford Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 2:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: LE question All: I need to do some research on how job is cancell

Re: Ancient DASD connectivity

2019-05-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
> The first device to support "disconnect" was the 3330 No; the 3330 was a Johnny come lately. The first device such was the 2305 fixed head disk attached to the 2835 controller. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 _

Re: Ancient DASD connectivity

2019-05-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
device, e.g., IFA, ISC. The 3830 or 3880 was the CU, since it was what connected to the channel. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of R.S. Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 8:59 AM To: IBM

Re: Ancient DASD connectivity

2019-05-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
That may be true for 2314, but it is not true for anything later. The A unit connects to the control unit, not to the channel. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Alan Altmark Sent

Re: Ancient DASD connectivity

2019-05-16 Thread Seymour J Metz
Well, for some devices the CU and device were in the same box, e.g., 2501. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Alan Altmark Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 5:45 PM To: IBM-MAIN

Re: [External] Re: Ancient DASD connectivity

2019-05-16 Thread Seymour J Metz
> Disk, tape, and unit record devices of the same era had discrete controllers. Some did, but not all. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Alan Altmark Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2

Re: [External] Re: Ancient DASD connectivity

2019-05-16 Thread Seymour J Metz
Some legacy devices, e.g., 1301, had external controllers, e.g., 7631. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tony Harminc Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2019 3:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN

Re: Ancient DASD connectivity

2019-05-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
T A unit attached to a CU; it was the CU that attached directly to the channel. There is some overloaded nomenclature here; the control function of an A unit is entirely different from a control unit. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: Ancient DASD connectivity

2019-05-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
3350 models C2 and C2F were tail of string units. As I recall, for 3375 the C boxes included a control unit so it could attach directly to the channel. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on

Re: Convert ZFS to Expanded format

2019-05-19 Thread Seymour J Metz
Copy and rename. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Gadi Ben-Avi Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2019 4:10 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Convert ZFS to Expanded format Hi, Is

Re: Ancient DASD connectivity

2019-05-19 Thread Seymour J Metz
It turns out that it's the 3380 that has a model, CJ2, for direct attach to the channel. They say that the memory is the second thing to go. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf o

Re: Exit Question

2019-05-19 Thread Seymour J Metz
rticular type of I/O you want to use, don't even think about it. But it's not my dog. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of scott Ford Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 12:21 P

Re: PL/I TSO Interrupt - Attention handling - SLIP trap X33E / X13E

2019-05-20 Thread Seymour J Metz
e.g., TEST. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Steve Smith Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 1:32 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PL/I TSO Interrupt - Attention handling - SLIP

Re: [EXTERNAL] Comparing SMP/E to Git

2019-05-20 Thread Seymour J Metz
is a pipe, everything looks like filter. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Pew, Curtis G Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 12:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL]

Re: Comparing SMP/E to Git

2019-05-20 Thread Seymour J Metz
updates is common in the open source world. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Joel C. Ewing Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 11:09 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Comparing

Re: PL/I TSO Interrupt - Attention handling - SLIP trap X33E / X13E

2019-05-20 Thread Seymour J Metz
tions? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Mike Stramba Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 12:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: PL/I TSO Interrupt - Attention handling - SLIP trap X33E /

Re: An older device query - still using??

2020-05-13 Thread Seymour J Metz
one of them can deal with your manuals. -- Will On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 7:56 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > > Doesn't bitsavers have a huge backlog? I'm still waiting for manuals I gave > several years ago to show up on their site. In particular I'm still waiting > for the

Re: An older device query - still using??

2020-05-13 Thread Seymour J Metz
d emulator programs. Does the Airlines Buffer qualify as oddball? There's really nothing that I want to keep on dead trees as long as I retain access to the information and can cite the manuals in Wikipedia articles. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.

Re: An older device query - still using??

2020-05-13 Thread Seymour J Metz
It was in the era when IBM was talking about cardleds systems. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Attila Fogarasi [fogar...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday

Re: USS Open in SYSCALL ENV

2020-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
guess is that you did not invoke your code from a Unix shell and that 0 was the first available file descriptor. If that is the case then you might want to open STDIN, STDOUT and STDERR at the beginning of your code. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: Question on wrapped JESMSGLG messages

2020-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
The formatting of the messages is a console function, not a JES function, and is driven by parameters on the WTO macro and by how you are configured. One of the options is ulti-line WTO and, AFAIK, there is no COBOL support for it. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Precursors to 3540

2020-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
All of the discussion of the 3540 reminded me of some older devices. Does anybody remember IEBCTRIN? How about the key-to-tape devices from UNIVAC back in the 1950s? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: USS Open in SYSCALL ENV

2020-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
of 0 is what I would expect calling the code from ISPF. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Michael Babcock [bigironp...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 1

Re: Activate SMS configuration in batch

2020-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
That's putting the CART before the horse. The problem isn't issuing the command, but waiting for initialization to complete. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Jou

Re: Is there any z/OS API to get byte file size for non-VSAM, non-zFS, non-database files?

2020-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
ccount for the LF or NL characters, unless the application is reading it as binary. The one exception is that if it is a valid FBS dataset then you can calculate the size. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discu

Re: Activate SMS configuration in batch

2020-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
Neither of those address the OP's question: how to issue the command AND WAIT for the configuration change to take effect. Oh, BTW, "CART before the horse" was a pun that already referred to CONSOLE, but CONSOLE by itself doesn't solve the problem. -- Shmuel (S

Re: USS Open in SYSCALL ENV

2020-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
> The OP's command is not valid REXX. However, the original code was 'open' path, O_rdwr+O_creat+O_trunc, 755 and *that* is valid; the commas are continuation characters. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mas

Re: Is there any z/OS API to get byte file size for non-VSAM, non-zFS, non-database files?

2020-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
It is very common for someone with a problem to assume that it has to be fixed in a certain way, and to ask about that way rather than the actual problem. Asking for clarification never hurts, and often helps. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: USS Open in SYSCALL ENV

2020-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
listing; sometimes the latter isn't what I expect it to be, and that can help pinpoint the problem. But I'm preaching to the quire. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTS

Re: Is there any z/OS API to get byte file size for non-VSAM, non-zFS, non-database files?

2020-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
That wasn't what he wrote, but I agree that it could have been phrased better. Still, the question is relevant; if we (TINW) knew why the OP was asking and what was behind his question, we would be better positioned to address the underlying problem. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

Re: Is there any z/OS API to get byte file size for non-VSAM, non-zFS, non-database files?

2020-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
Because the information that he's asking for isn't in the catalog. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Joe Monk [joemon...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursd

Re: Activate SMS configuration in batch

2020-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Gadi Ben-Avi [gad...@malam.com] Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 6:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Activate SMS configuration in batch

Re: Activate SMS configuration in batch

2020-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
I was giving my CONDOLEnces to the CONSOLE. BTW, that wasn't the only typo. It was the keyboard. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion

Re: Is there any z/OS API to get byte file size for non-VSAM, non-zFS, non-database files?

2020-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
erent from what he asked for. Several people have asked him to clarify that point, but he hasn't chosen to do so. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Ger

Re: Activate SMS configuration in batch

2020-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
If TSSO still works, its price is attractive. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Wayne Bickerdike [wayn...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 5:23 PM

Re: Activate SMS configuration in batch

2020-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
I'd probably use TSSO, but there are many options. The important part is to know what messages to watch for. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Doug

Re: Is there any z/OS API to get byte file size for non-VSAM, non-zFS, non-database files?

2020-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
I've got it now. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Farley, Peter x23353 [peter.far...@broadridge.com] Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 6:10 PM To: IBM

Re: USS: su: User ID "SH" does not exist

2020-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
nd? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Jon Bathmaker Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 8:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: USS: su: User ID "SH" does not exist Hi, B

Re: Is there any z/OS API to get byte file size for non-VSAM, non-zFS, non-database files?

2020-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
The OP didn't ask for a size in tracks and didn't ask for an approximation. All of this is guesswork unless and until he knows more and is allowed to tell us. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discu

Re: USS: su: User ID "SH" does not exist

2020-05-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
ITYM \ at the end is a continuation. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of David Crayford [dcrayf...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 8:47 AM To: IBM

Re: USS: su: User ID "SH" does not exist

2020-05-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
-- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Joel C. Ewing [jcew...@acm.org] Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 9:13 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: USS: su: User ID

Re: USS: su: User ID "SH" does not exist

2020-05-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
Possibly, but ; is definitely a command separator character, not a continuation character. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of David Crayford [dcrayf

Re: USS: su: User ID "SH" does not exist

2020-05-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
, the string is divided not only at line boundaries but also at horizontal white space within a line. " Which doesn't make a lot of sense. If it is not taken as a single parameter for other file types, why not? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.

Re: BPXBATCH cannot find su command

2020-05-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
"This is because SH causes BPXBATCH to execute a login shell that runs the /etc/profile script and runs the user's .profile." -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LIST

Re: USS: su: User ID "SH" does not exist

2020-05-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
Of course: semicolon is the standard *ix command separator. If the parameter following -c includes a semicol then it is treated as multiple commands. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN

Re: USS: su: User ID "SH" does not exist

2020-05-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
Semicolon is a separator for TSO SH as well, but you have to keep TSO from recognizing it. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of David Crayford Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 9:55 AM To

Re: USS: su: User ID "SH" does not exist

2020-05-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
I understand why they parse pgm and sh differently. What I don't understand is why instream data should be treated differently from other datasets. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on b

Re: USS: su: User ID "SH" d actuallyoes not exist

2020-05-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
it the flavor of MVS/TSO/JES Then why are you defending that behavior? Or did you reply without reading what I wrote? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Jack J. Woehr Sent: Friday, May

Re: USS: su: User ID "SH" does not exist

2020-05-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
om batch, TSO/E, and ISPF -> The BPXBATCH utility -> Passing parameter data to BPXBATCH -> Guidelines for defining STDPARM -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]

Does allocating an HFS or zFS erase all existing data?intervals formatted?

2020-05-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
mat all of the tracks? When you format a zFS, does that force formatting of all tracks? Can you provide references that I can cite for the answers? Thanks. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 -- Fo

Re: USS: su: User ID "SH" does not exist

2020-05-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
NIX System Services Command Reference. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Paul Gilmartin [000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Friday, May 1

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