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Jesse 1 Robinson
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Pre-E SMP consisted entirely of PDS--PO because PDSE had not been invented yet.
It was, as someone pointed out, a sort of elaborate RYO data
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http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
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Yes, definitely something lik
day, May 23, 2018 11:29 PM
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> On May 23, 2018, at 2:13 PM, Gerhard Adam wrote:
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> SMP was available in MVT and MFT. It did not begin with MVS
I beg to differ. But I was new to the job an
On 18May23:2100-0700, Gerhard Adam wrote:
> I personally used SMP in 1975 on a S/360 running MFT.
And as I said initially, I learned it on MVT (about a year
later than Gerhart). And I am very glad I missed pre-SMP
OS/360 maintenance.
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May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly!
Dave_
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I personally used SMP in 1975 on a S/360 running MFT.
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On May 23, 2018, at 8:29 PM, Edward Gould wrote:
>> On May 23, 2018, at 2
I personally used SMP in 1975 on a S/360 running MFT.
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On May 23, 2018, at 8:29 PM, Edward Gould wrote:
>> On May 23, 2018, at 2:13 PM, Gerhard Adam wrote:
>>
>> SMP was available in MVT and MFT. It did not begin with MVS
>
> I beg to differ. But I was new to the job and
> On May 23, 2018, at 2:13 PM, Gerhard Adam wrote:
>
> SMP was available in MVT and MFT. It did not begin with MVS
I beg to differ. But I was new to the job and our senior sysprog did maint with
another IBM program (which I do not remember but it was NOT SMP but something
like iebptfle or som
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, May 23, 2018 3:19 PM
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On Wed, 23 May 2018 18:55:21 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>The CDS may have been an equivalent to a target zone, but not to the entire
>CSI. You won't get v
On Wed, 23 May 2018 18:55:21 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>The CDS may have been an equivalent to a target zone, but not to the entire
>CSI. You won't get very far without a PTS and ACDS.
>
SMP/E for z/OS IBM User's Guide SA23-2277-30
... appears to say otherwise:
The consolidated software inve
2018 2:50 PM
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>
> Yes, that was my mistake, I should have said the predecessor to the CSI was
> the CDS, a PDS data set with that funny character in the member name.
>
> Al
SMP was available in MVT and MFT. It did not begin with MVS
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On May 23, 2018, at 11:50 AM, Edward Gould wrote:
>> On May 23, 2018, at 9:08 AM, David L. Craig wrote:
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>>>
>>> Not sure how long ago eons was, but I started in the
>>> mid-80s on MVS/SP and at my first SMP/E
John (Al)
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Yes, that was my mistake, I should have said the predecessor to the CSI was the
CDS, a PDS data set with that funny character in the member name
> On May 23, 2018, at 9:08 AM, David L. Craig wrote:
>
>>
>> Not sure how long ago eons was, but I started in the
>> mid-80s on MVS/SP and at my first SMP/E (and I believe
>> only) class, I was taught the APPLY / run for a while /
>> ACCEPT usage - except for USERMODs or APARs that hadn't
>> had
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On Wed, 23 May 2018 11:05
On Wed, 23 May 2018 11:05:29 -0700, Gerhard Adam wrote:
>I think the reference may have been to the older SMP CDS which played the role
>of the current CSI
>
The rumor I heard (I wasn't there) is that, prior to VSAM, SMP used a PDS
directory
as a makeshift data base. Names of members (which ne
M
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Ah yes, the SYSTEM GEN - MVSCP
Carmen Vitullo
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I think the reference may have been to the older SMP CDS which played the role
of the current CSI
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> On May 23, 2018, at 11:03 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
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> The P
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> CSI not VSAM ?
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School Maintenance Philosophy -- Never ACCEPT?
Ah yes, the SYSTEM GEN - MVSCP
Carmen Vitullo
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CSI not VSAM ?
Carmen Vitullo
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In my SysProg days (70s - 80s), I would ACCEPT maintenance, but only after we
had run it for a while. PUT maintenance was relegated to weekends. I would
backup the full environment before running the ACCEPT (saved my
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Gerhard Adam
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I also don't recall a "never ACCEPT" policy. That would be silly because it
becomes a "n
so happy when SMP v4
came out. 😊
Bill Hitefield
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I also
CSI not VSAM ?
Carmen Vitullo
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" I learned to use SMP back on MVT (am
Ah yes, the SYSTEM GEN - MVSCP
Carmen Vitullo
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War stories, yes, but I wo
23, 2018 10:09 AM
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On 18May23:1247+, Pommier, Rex wrote:
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> Not sure how long ago eons was, but I started in the mid-80s on MVS/SP
> and at my first SMP/E (and I believe
> only) class
, 2018 10:15 AM
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I'm so glad I did not have to use/work with SMP, I've heard the war stories and
I think the backup everyone philosophy came from the old SMP V4 days and at the
site I
I also don't recall a "never ACCEPT" policy. That would be silly because it
becomes a "never RESTORE" policy.
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> On May 23, 2018, at 7:08 AM, David L. Craig wrote:
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>> On 18May23:1247+, Pommier, Rex wrote:
>>
>> Not sure how long ago eons was, but I started in the
>>
ly, it has saved my A$$ a couple
times
Carmen Vitullo
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On 18May23:1247+
On 18May23:1247+, Pommier, Rex wrote:
>
> Not sure how long ago eons was, but I started in the
> mid-80s on MVS/SP and at my first SMP/E (and I believe
> only) class, I was taught the APPLY / run for a while /
> ACCEPT usage - except for USERMODs or APARs that hadn't
> had a published PTF yet.
tullo
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Ed,
Not sure how long ago eons was, but I started in the mid-80s on MVS/SP and at
my fir
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z/OS Sysprogs,
ISTR a maintenance philosophy from "eons" ago w
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