Re: [SPAM] Hmc for z as a virtual appliance?
What is the IBM product id of the HMC for system z? We would like to order one from IBM. ITschak On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 6:44 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > Yes, z is (mostly) physical, but many of the mainframe in the same line > were not. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of ITschak Mugzach > Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 3:22 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [SPAM] Hmc for z as a virtual appliance? > > We will support them all ;-) but we need an HMC. Only the IBMI and rs6000 > HMC are virtualized. The z one is still a physical one. > > On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 10:12 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > > > So are the 360/30, 360/40, 3605/50, 360/65, 360/67, 370/145, 370/148, > > 370/155, 370/158, 370/165, 370/168, ... > > > > It's not the implementation that determines whether it is a mainframe. > > > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > > of R.S. > > Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 5:59 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: [SPAM] Hmc for z as a virtual appliance? > > > > W dniu 2019-02-02 o 01:42, Tony Harminc pisze: > > > On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 at 09:29, R.S. > > wrote: > > >> IMHO the topic is HMC for zPDT. Unfortunately zPDT does not have HMC > in > > >> any form, real or emulated. > > >> It's not mainframe, it's only emulation. > > > No, zPDT *is* a mainframe. It implements a permitted subset of the > > > architecture documented in the Principles of Operation. > > > > > > The HMC is not described in the Principles of Operation. It replaces > > > the knobs, lights, and switches that provided the operator interface > > > on older systems. Some of the *functions* performed by the HMC are > > > architected (and are implemented by zPDT without an HMC), but none of > > > how it works or what the interface looks like. Here is the only > > > description of anything like an HMC in the POO: > > > > No, zPDT is not mainframe. It is emulator, like Hercules. > > Of course there is no single official definition of mainframe - you can > > say the emulator on PC is real machine, for me it's emulator, for some > > sales people big PC server deserves to be named mainframe (despite it > > can run Windows). > > > > Of course there were older IBM mainframes in pre-HMC era or just were > > non-IBM mainframes (ICL, GE...) > > > > > > -- > > Radoslaw Skorupka > > Lodz, Poland > > > > > > > > > > == > > > > Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: > > > > - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), > > - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub > > zapisałeś na dysku). > > Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może > > wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia > > (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, > > narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. > > > > mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa, > > > http://secure-web.cisco.com/1T1t4vlaLA5bgjD1q2dLGVQf8QEU5Ogh7MWpXwbHaoIN81h1Xm1alAlAdtGzIVdnCSIF2I5HJzhGC7ATMgwYBJA6BiCMZE33rWjr9ICaoGTFKUpmLdWfmbwH6KkmMVJOEvJzEkemqIY9xY5AXrWtwlLs0KLdyTo7gktzKQtwPZuz_1xm4M6ogTO2YLp7DlQf8Cu9m1hboROzArHAQIJCBKAeRCQBn1c_h0IN43r3uhSk8QlgxvjHYurvB8pyM6AVgSU1KmfPc7bs0oDzGfb1YgfXuHdapHaOM1s5DB0SH5H2OtLEZLW0R4tiuZn9yr76yBWxm765S1NAZAnvosNSbpCf_72JqNnslB__wM9dDidGkouTQRjzPvsEy_ltv-VeRGUHyrgwg4f43x1qF7xfUi-LhCxXDC4ZnZ_AcNiK_aikcUamCuPrCVv0QG93KiMPo/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mBank.pl > , > > e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział > > Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: > > 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na > > 01.01.2018 r. wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. > > > > If you are not the addressee of this message: > > > > - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), > > - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you > have > > printed out or saved). > > This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used > >
Re: [SPAM] Hmc for z as a virtual appliance?
Yes, z is (mostly) physical, but many of the mainframe in the same line were not. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of ITschak Mugzach Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 3:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [SPAM] Hmc for z as a virtual appliance? We will support them all ;-) but we need an HMC. Only the IBMI and rs6000 HMC are virtualized. The z one is still a physical one. On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 10:12 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > So are the 360/30, 360/40, 3605/50, 360/65, 360/67, 370/145, 370/148, > 370/155, 370/158, 370/165, 370/168, ... > > It's not the implementation that determines whether it is a mainframe. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of R.S. > Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 5:59 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [SPAM] Hmc for z as a virtual appliance? > > W dniu 2019-02-02 o 01:42, Tony Harminc pisze: > > On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 at 09:29, R.S. > wrote: > >> IMHO the topic is HMC for zPDT. Unfortunately zPDT does not have HMC in > >> any form, real or emulated. > >> It's not mainframe, it's only emulation. > > No, zPDT *is* a mainframe. It implements a permitted subset of the > > architecture documented in the Principles of Operation. > > > > The HMC is not described in the Principles of Operation. It replaces > > the knobs, lights, and switches that provided the operator interface > > on older systems. Some of the *functions* performed by the HMC are > > architected (and are implemented by zPDT without an HMC), but none of > > how it works or what the interface looks like. Here is the only > > description of anything like an HMC in the POO: > > No, zPDT is not mainframe. It is emulator, like Hercules. > Of course there is no single official definition of mainframe - you can > say the emulator on PC is real machine, for me it's emulator, for some > sales people big PC server deserves to be named mainframe (despite it > can run Windows). > > Of course there were older IBM mainframes in pre-HMC era or just were > non-IBM mainframes (ICL, GE...) > > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz, Poland > > > > > == > > Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: > > - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), > - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub > zapisałeś na dysku). > Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może > wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia > (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, > narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. > > mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa, > http://secure-web.cisco.com/1T1t4vlaLA5bgjD1q2dLGVQf8QEU5Ogh7MWpXwbHaoIN81h1Xm1alAlAdtGzIVdnCSIF2I5HJzhGC7ATMgwYBJA6BiCMZE33rWjr9ICaoGTFKUpmLdWfmbwH6KkmMVJOEvJzEkemqIY9xY5AXrWtwlLs0KLdyTo7gktzKQtwPZuz_1xm4M6ogTO2YLp7DlQf8Cu9m1hboROzArHAQIJCBKAeRCQBn1c_h0IN43r3uhSk8QlgxvjHYurvB8pyM6AVgSU1KmfPc7bs0oDzGfb1YgfXuHdapHaOM1s5DB0SH5H2OtLEZLW0R4tiuZn9yr76yBWxm765S1NAZAnvosNSbpCf_72JqNnslB__wM9dDidGkouTQRjzPvsEy_ltv-VeRGUHyrgwg4f43x1qF7xfUi-LhCxXDC4ZnZ_AcNiK_aikcUamCuPrCVv0QG93KiMPo/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mBank.pl, > e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział > Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: > 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na > 01.01.2018 r. wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. > > If you are not the addressee of this message: > > - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), > - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have > printed out or saved). > This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used > exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who > disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar > action, violates the law and may be penalised. > > mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 > Warszawa, > http://secure-web.cisco.com/1T1t4vlaLA5bgjD1q2dLGVQf8QEU5Ogh7MWpXwbHaoIN81h1Xm1alAlAdtGzIVdnCSIF2I5HJzhGC7ATMgwYBJA6BiCMZE33rWjr9ICaoGTFKUpmLdWfmbwH6KkmMVJOEvJzEkemqIY9xY5AXrWtwlLs0KLdyTo7gktzKQtwPZuz_1xm4M6ogTO2YLp7DlQf8Cu9m1hboROzArHAQIJCBKAeRCQBn1c_h0IN43r3uhSk8QlgxvjHYurvB8pyM6AVgSU1KmfPc7bs0oDzGfb1YgfXuHdapHaOM1s5DB0SH5H2OtLEZLW0R4tiuZn9yr76yBWxm765S1NAZAnvosNSbpCf_72JqNnslB__wM9dDidGkouTQRjzPvsEy_ltv-VeRGUHyrgwg4f43x1qF7xfUi-LhCxXDC4ZnZ_AcNiK_aikcUamCu
Re: [SPAM] Hmc for z as a virtual appliance?
OK, you need HMC. As you said, you don't need the HMC to be connected to your "mainframe" (zPDT). You can buy or rent one, this is business issue. If you want to save money, take n-2 generation from second hand. I doubt someone wolud decide to give you remote access to working HMC. From technical point of view there's no doubt, HMC is physical appliance and this is "add on" to SE, and zPDT has neither SE, nor HMC. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 2019-02-02 o 12:35, ITschak Mugzach pisze: Our zPXT is no issue here, mainframe or not. It is all about HMC! בתאריך שבת, 2 בפבר׳ 2019, 13:16, מאת R.S. : W dniu 2019-02-02 o 12:05, Mike Schwab pisze: Well, the IBM S/360 and earlier had control panels. This IBM S/370 is still running a 3277 operator console. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HETSEyIPuv0 Yes, control panels, but not HMC. Note, the control panel is rather SE, not HMC. Not to mention it would be very hard to connect control panel to the network and hack it. ;-) -- Radoslaw Skorupka == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2018 r. wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169,248,488 as at 1 January 2018. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [SPAM] Hmc for z as a virtual appliance?
Can't you get ibm or 3rd party to sell you an hmc? Rob Schramm On Sun, Feb 3, 2019, 3:23 PM ITschak Mugzach We will support them all ;-) but we need an HMC. Only the IBMI and rs6000 > HMC are virtualized. The z one is still a physical one. > > On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 10:12 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > > > So are the 360/30, 360/40, 3605/50, 360/65, 360/67, 370/145, 370/148, > > 370/155, 370/158, 370/165, 370/168, ... > > > > It's not the implementation that determines whether it is a mainframe. > > > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > > of R.S. > > Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 5:59 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: [SPAM] Hmc for z as a virtual appliance? > > > > W dniu 2019-02-02 o 01:42, Tony Harminc pisze: > > > On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 at 09:29, R.S. > > wrote: > > >> IMHO the topic is HMC for zPDT. Unfortunately zPDT does not have HMC > in > > >> any form, real or emulated. > > >> It's not mainframe, it's only emulation. > > > No, zPDT *is* a mainframe. It implements a permitted subset of the > > > architecture documented in the Principles of Operation. > > > > > > The HMC is not described in the Principles of Operation. It replaces > > > the knobs, lights, and switches that provided the operator interface > > > on older systems. Some of the *functions* performed by the HMC are > > > architected (and are implemented by zPDT without an HMC), but none of > > > how it works or what the interface looks like. Here is the only > > > description of anything like an HMC in the POO: > > > > No, zPDT is not mainframe. It is emulator, like Hercules. > > Of course there is no single official definition of mainframe - you can > > say the emulator on PC is real machine, for me it's emulator, for some > > sales people big PC server deserves to be named mainframe (despite it > > can run Windows). > > > > Of course there were older IBM mainframes in pre-HMC era or just were > > non-IBM mainframes (ICL, GE...) > > > > > > -- > > Radoslaw Skorupka > > Lodz, Poland > > > > > > > > > > == > > > > Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: > > > > - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), > > - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub > > zapisałeś na dysku). > > Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może > > wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia > > (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, > > narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. > > > > mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa, > > > http://secure-web.cisco.com/1T1t4vlaLA5bgjD1q2dLGVQf8QEU5Ogh7MWpXwbHaoIN81h1Xm1alAlAdtGzIVdnCSIF2I5HJzhGC7ATMgwYBJA6BiCMZE33rWjr9ICaoGTFKUpmLdWfmbwH6KkmMVJOEvJzEkemqIY9xY5AXrWtwlLs0KLdyTo7gktzKQtwPZuz_1xm4M6ogTO2YLp7DlQf8Cu9m1hboROzArHAQIJCBKAeRCQBn1c_h0IN43r3uhSk8QlgxvjHYurvB8pyM6AVgSU1KmfPc7bs0oDzGfb1YgfXuHdapHaOM1s5DB0SH5H2OtLEZLW0R4tiuZn9yr76yBWxm765S1NAZAnvosNSbpCf_72JqNnslB__wM9dDidGkouTQRjzPvsEy_ltv-VeRGUHyrgwg4f43x1qF7xfUi-LhCxXDC4ZnZ_AcNiK_aikcUamCuPrCVv0QG93KiMPo/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mBank.pl > , > > e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział > > Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: > > 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na > > 01.01.2018 r. wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. > > > > If you are not the addressee of this message: > > > > - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), > > - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you > have > > printed out or saved). > > This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used > > exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who > > disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar > > action, violates the law and may be penalised. > > > > mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, > 00-950 > > Warszawa, > > > http://secure-web.cisco.com/1T1t4vlaLA5bgjD1q2dLGVQf8QEU5Ogh7MWpXwbHaoIN81h1Xm1alAlAdtGzIVdnCSIF2I5HJzhGC7ATMgwYBJA6BiCMZE33rWjr9ICaoGTFKUpmLdWfmbwH6KkmMVJOEvJzEkemqIY9xY5AXrWtwlLs0KLdyTo7gktzKQtwP
Re: [SPAM] Hmc for z as a virtual appliance?
We will support them all ;-) but we need an HMC. Only the IBMI and rs6000 HMC are virtualized. The z one is still a physical one. On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 10:12 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > So are the 360/30, 360/40, 3605/50, 360/65, 360/67, 370/145, 370/148, > 370/155, 370/158, 370/165, 370/168, ... > > It's not the implementation that determines whether it is a mainframe. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of R.S. > Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 5:59 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [SPAM] Hmc for z as a virtual appliance? > > W dniu 2019-02-02 o 01:42, Tony Harminc pisze: > > On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 at 09:29, R.S. > wrote: > >> IMHO the topic is HMC for zPDT. Unfortunately zPDT does not have HMC in > >> any form, real or emulated. > >> It's not mainframe, it's only emulation. > > No, zPDT *is* a mainframe. It implements a permitted subset of the > > architecture documented in the Principles of Operation. > > > > The HMC is not described in the Principles of Operation. It replaces > > the knobs, lights, and switches that provided the operator interface > > on older systems. Some of the *functions* performed by the HMC are > > architected (and are implemented by zPDT without an HMC), but none of > > how it works or what the interface looks like. Here is the only > > description of anything like an HMC in the POO: > > No, zPDT is not mainframe. It is emulator, like Hercules. > Of course there is no single official definition of mainframe - you can > say the emulator on PC is real machine, for me it's emulator, for some > sales people big PC server deserves to be named mainframe (despite it > can run Windows). > > Of course there were older IBM mainframes in pre-HMC era or just were > non-IBM mainframes (ICL, GE...) > > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz, Poland > > > > > == > > Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: > > - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), > - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub > zapisałeś na dysku). > Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może > wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia > (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, > narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. > > mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa, > http://secure-web.cisco.com/1T1t4vlaLA5bgjD1q2dLGVQf8QEU5Ogh7MWpXwbHaoIN81h1Xm1alAlAdtGzIVdnCSIF2I5HJzhGC7ATMgwYBJA6BiCMZE33rWjr9ICaoGTFKUpmLdWfmbwH6KkmMVJOEvJzEkemqIY9xY5AXrWtwlLs0KLdyTo7gktzKQtwPZuz_1xm4M6ogTO2YLp7DlQf8Cu9m1hboROzArHAQIJCBKAeRCQBn1c_h0IN43r3uhSk8QlgxvjHYurvB8pyM6AVgSU1KmfPc7bs0oDzGfb1YgfXuHdapHaOM1s5DB0SH5H2OtLEZLW0R4tiuZn9yr76yBWxm765S1NAZAnvosNSbpCf_72JqNnslB__wM9dDidGkouTQRjzPvsEy_ltv-VeRGUHyrgwg4f43x1qF7xfUi-LhCxXDC4ZnZ_AcNiK_aikcUamCuPrCVv0QG93KiMPo/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mBank.pl, > e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział > Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: > 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na > 01.01.2018 r. wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. > > If you are not the addressee of this message: > > - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), > - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have > printed out or saved). > This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used > exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who > disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar > action, violates the law and may be penalised. > > mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 > Warszawa, > http://secure-web.cisco.com/1T1t4vlaLA5bgjD1q2dLGVQf8QEU5Ogh7MWpXwbHaoIN81h1Xm1alAlAdtGzIVdnCSIF2I5HJzhGC7ATMgwYBJA6BiCMZE33rWjr9ICaoGTFKUpmLdWfmbwH6KkmMVJOEvJzEkemqIY9xY5AXrWtwlLs0KLdyTo7gktzKQtwPZuz_1xm4M6ogTO2YLp7DlQf8Cu9m1hboROzArHAQIJCBKAeRCQBn1c_h0IN43r3uhSk8QlgxvjHYurvB8pyM6AVgSU1KmfPc7bs0oDzGfb1YgfXuHdapHaOM1s5DB0SH5H2OtLEZLW0R4tiuZn9yr76yBWxm765S1NAZAnvosNSbpCf_72JqNnslB__wM9dDidGkouTQRjzPvsEy_ltv-VeRGUHyrgwg4f43x1qF7xfUi-LhCxXDC4ZnZ_AcNiK_aikcUamCuPrCVv0QG93KiMPo/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mBank.pl, > e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, > 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, > NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN > 169,248,488 as at 1 January 2018. > >
Re: [SPAM] Hmc for z as a virtual appliance?
So are the 360/30, 360/40, 3605/50, 360/65, 360/67, 370/145, 370/148, 370/155, 370/158, 370/165, 370/168, ... It's not the implementation that determines whether it is a mainframe. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of R.S. Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 5:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [SPAM] Hmc for z as a virtual appliance? W dniu 2019-02-02 o 01:42, Tony Harminc pisze: > On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 at 09:29, R.S. wrote: >> IMHO the topic is HMC for zPDT. Unfortunately zPDT does not have HMC in >> any form, real or emulated. >> It's not mainframe, it's only emulation. > No, zPDT *is* a mainframe. It implements a permitted subset of the > architecture documented in the Principles of Operation. > > The HMC is not described in the Principles of Operation. It replaces > the knobs, lights, and switches that provided the operator interface > on older systems. Some of the *functions* performed by the HMC are > architected (and are implemented by zPDT without an HMC), but none of > how it works or what the interface looks like. Here is the only > description of anything like an HMC in the POO: No, zPDT is not mainframe. It is emulator, like Hercules. Of course there is no single official definition of mainframe - you can say the emulator on PC is real machine, for me it's emulator, for some sales people big PC server deserves to be named mainframe (despite it can run Windows). Of course there were older IBM mainframes in pre-HMC era or just were non-IBM mainframes (ICL, GE...) -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,http://secure-web.cisco.com/1T1t4vlaLA5bgjD1q2dLGVQf8QEU5Ogh7MWpXwbHaoIN81h1Xm1alAlAdtGzIVdnCSIF2I5HJzhGC7ATMgwYBJA6BiCMZE33rWjr9ICaoGTFKUpmLdWfmbwH6KkmMVJOEvJzEkemqIY9xY5AXrWtwlLs0KLdyTo7gktzKQtwPZuz_1xm4M6ogTO2YLp7DlQf8Cu9m1hboROzArHAQIJCBKAeRCQBn1c_h0IN43r3uhSk8QlgxvjHYurvB8pyM6AVgSU1KmfPc7bs0oDzGfb1YgfXuHdapHaOM1s5DB0SH5H2OtLEZLW0R4tiuZn9yr76yBWxm765S1NAZAnvosNSbpCf_72JqNnslB__wM9dDidGkouTQRjzPvsEy_ltv-VeRGUHyrgwg4f43x1qF7xfUi-LhCxXDC4ZnZ_AcNiK_aikcUamCuPrCVv0QG93KiMPo/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2018 r. wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,http://secure-web.cisco.com/1T1t4vlaLA5bgjD1q2dLGVQf8QEU5Ogh7MWpXwbHaoIN81h1Xm1alAlAdtGzIVdnCSIF2I5HJzhGC7ATMgwYBJA6BiCMZE33rWjr9ICaoGTFKUpmLdWfmbwH6KkmMVJOEvJzEkemqIY9xY5AXrWtwlLs0KLdyTo7gktzKQtwPZuz_1xm4M6ogTO2YLp7DlQf8Cu9m1hboROzArHAQIJCBKAeRCQBn1c_h0IN43r3uhSk8QlgxvjHYurvB8pyM6AVgSU1KmfPc7bs0oDzGfb1YgfXuHdapHaOM1s5DB0SH5H2OtLEZLW0R4tiuZn9yr76yBWxm765S1NAZAnvosNSbpCf_72JqNnslB__wM9dDidGkouTQRjzPvsEy_ltv-VeRGUHyrgwg4f43x1qF7xfUi-LhCxXDC4ZnZ_AcNiK_aikcUamCuPrCVv0QG93KiMPo/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169,248,488 as at 1 January 2018. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [SPAM] Hmc for z as a virtual appliance?
Our zPXT is no issue here, mainframe or not. It is all about HMC! בתאריך שבת, 2 בפבר׳ 2019, 13:16, מאת R.S. : > W dniu 2019-02-02 o 12:05, Mike Schwab pisze: > > Well, the IBM S/360 and earlier had control panels. > > This IBM S/370 is still running a 3277 operator console. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HETSEyIPuv0 > > Yes, control panels, but not HMC. > Note, the control panel is rather SE, not HMC. > Not to mention it would be very hard to connect control panel to the > network and hack it. ;-) > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz, Poland > > > > > == > > Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: > > - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), > - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub > zapisałeś na dysku). > Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może > wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia > (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, > narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. > > mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa, > www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy > XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: > 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na > 01.01.2018 r. wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. > > If you are not the addressee of this message: > > - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), > - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have > printed out or saved). > This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used > exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who > disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar > action, violates the law and may be penalised. > > mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 > Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the > Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court > Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital > amounting to PLN 169,248,488 as at 1 January 2018. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [SPAM] Hmc for z as a virtual appliance?
W dniu 2019-02-02 o 12:05, Mike Schwab pisze: Well, the IBM S/360 and earlier had control panels. This IBM S/370 is still running a 3277 operator console. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HETSEyIPuv0 Yes, control panels, but not HMC. Note, the control panel is rather SE, not HMC. Not to mention it would be very hard to connect control panel to the network and hack it. ;-) -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2018 r. wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169,248,488 as at 1 January 2018. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [SPAM] Hmc for z as a virtual appliance?
Well, the IBM S/360 and earlier had control panels. This IBM S/370 is still running a 3277 operator console. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HETSEyIPuv0 On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 5:00 AM R.S. wrote: > > W dniu 2019-02-02 o 01:42, Tony Harminc pisze: > > On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 at 09:29, R.S. wrote: > >> IMHO the topic is HMC for zPDT. Unfortunately zPDT does not have HMC in > >> any form, real or emulated. > >> It's not mainframe, it's only emulation. > > No, zPDT *is* a mainframe. It implements a permitted subset of the > > architecture documented in the Principles of Operation. > > > > The HMC is not described in the Principles of Operation. It replaces > > the knobs, lights, and switches that provided the operator interface > > on older systems. Some of the *functions* performed by the HMC are > > architected (and are implemented by zPDT without an HMC), but none of > > how it works or what the interface looks like. Here is the only > > description of anything like an HMC in the POO: > > No, zPDT is not mainframe. It is emulator, like Hercules. > Of course there is no single official definition of mainframe - you can > say the emulator on PC is real machine, for me it's emulator, for some > sales people big PC server deserves to be named mainframe (despite it > can run Windows). > > Of course there were older IBM mainframes in pre-HMC era or just were > non-IBM mainframes (ICL, GE...) > > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz, Poland > > > > > == > > Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: > > - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), > - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub > zapisałeś na dysku). > Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może > wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia > (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza > prawo i może podlegać karze. > > mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 > Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. > Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, > NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na > 01.01.2018 r. wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. > > If you are not the addressee of this message: > > - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), > - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have > printed out or saved). > This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used > exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates > (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the > law and may be penalised. > > mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 > Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the > Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court > Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital > amounting to PLN 169,248,488 as at 1 January 2018. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [SPAM] Hmc for z as a virtual appliance?
W dniu 2019-02-02 o 01:42, Tony Harminc pisze: On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 at 09:29, R.S. wrote: IMHO the topic is HMC for zPDT. Unfortunately zPDT does not have HMC in any form, real or emulated. It's not mainframe, it's only emulation. No, zPDT *is* a mainframe. It implements a permitted subset of the architecture documented in the Principles of Operation. The HMC is not described in the Principles of Operation. It replaces the knobs, lights, and switches that provided the operator interface on older systems. Some of the *functions* performed by the HMC are architected (and are implemented by zPDT without an HMC), but none of how it works or what the interface looks like. Here is the only description of anything like an HMC in the POO: No, zPDT is not mainframe. It is emulator, like Hercules. Of course there is no single official definition of mainframe - you can say the emulator on PC is real machine, for me it's emulator, for some sales people big PC server deserves to be named mainframe (despite it can run Windows). Of course there were older IBM mainframes in pre-HMC era or just were non-IBM mainframes (ICL, GE...) -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2018 r. wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169,248,488 as at 1 January 2018. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [SPAM] Hmc for z as a virtual appliance?
Hi Tony, The last sentence in your email catched my attention " I don't see that it has any close relation to IBM's mainframe OSs and their security issues." I used to have a client that claims his systems are 100% secure. We attacked this client from his partner who was connected over CICS connection. we disabled transactions, letting support understand that they are not running and enable them, and then disabled them again. LOL. Now think that I got control over your HMC (Technically possible, especially with the new Linux architecture) and IPL your system during business hours several times. Again LOL. Absolutely IBM mainframe security issue. There are few ways to access your HMC. my interest is from BCPII (limited functionality) and the HMC APIs. there also a way using Selenium (witch is less stable as it is sensitive to the html sent by HMC. Anyway, to do this, I need access to an HMC. will you donate yours?! no harm to HMC or systems. ITschak On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 2:43 AM Tony Harminc wrote: > On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 at 09:29, R.S. wrote: > > > > IMHO the topic is HMC for zPDT. Unfortunately zPDT does not have HMC in > > any form, real or emulated. > > It's not mainframe, it's only emulation. > > No, zPDT *is* a mainframe. It implements a permitted subset of the > architecture documented in the Principles of Operation. > > The HMC is not described in the Principles of Operation. It replaces > the knobs, lights, and switches that provided the operator interface > on older systems. Some of the *functions* performed by the HMC are > architected (and are implemented by zPDT without an HMC), but none of > how it works or what the interface looks like. Here is the only > description of anything like an HMC in the POO: > > "Operator Facilities > The operator facilities provide the functions necessary for operator > control of the machine. Associated with the operator facilities may be > an operator-console device, which may also be used as an I/O device > for communicating with the program. > > The main functions provided by the operator facilities include > resetting, clearing, initial program loading, start, stop, alter, and > display." > > And later: > > "The operator facilities may be implemented on different models in > various technologies and configurations. On some models, more than one > set of physical representations of some keys, controls, and indicators > may be provided, such as on multiple local or remote operating > stations, which may be effective concurrently. " > > All subsequent description of these functions refer to "keys", e.g. > the load key, the start and stop keys, and so on, just as in the S/360 > POO in 1964. > > To the OP's plans... I think doing penetration testing on a box with > no available architectural doc at all, and extremely limited external > doc, might be useful, but how will you even know if it's misbehaving > if there are no specs? Sure, maybe you can force a buffer overrun or > something in the web interface, take over the box (Linux?), and then > what? I don't see that it has any close relation to IBM's mainframe > OSs and their security issues. > > Tony H. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- ITschak Mugzach *|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Contiguous Monitoring for Legacy **| * -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [SPAM] Hmc for z as a virtual appliance?
Having explored the topic in the past, I believe you need to talk to IBM. The platform and code for the HMC and SE systems is under tight control and nobody but IBM can provide you with access to the thing. IBM customers are not allowed to do that. And event if/when you get the thing, it will not be virtual and you will not be allowed to access the O/S as "root" (used to be OS/2, now it is Linux), but as a limited application user. Please share your experience if you get anywhere with IBM on this topic. Costin > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of ITschak Mugzach > Sent: Friday 1 February 2019 22:43 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [SPAM] Hmc for z as a virtual appliance? > > No. The ussue ia clearly HMC. I just explained why we do not have one > (zPDT) and why we need one (develpment of automatic STIG assussment of > HMC). > I don't need my own one. It can be other people hmc (and no need to be > connected to a real mainframe. Autonatic Assessment of mainframes we > already do.). > > So, where can i find an up-to-date HMC, hosted, my own or even of yours... > > ITschak > > בתאריך יום ו׳, 1 בפבר׳ 2019, 16:29, מאת R.S. > >: > > > IMHO the topic is HMC for zPDT. Unfortunately zPDT does not have HMC > > in any form, real or emulated. > > It's not mainframe, it's only emulation. > > > > -- > > Radoslaw Skorupka > > Lodz, Poland > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W dniu 2019-02-01 o 13:10, ITschak Mugzach pisze: > > > But you need an HMC to connect to... Ir install an agent. Bcpii is > > limited, > > > rest api is poßible, but still need an hmc > > > > > > בתאריך יום ו׳, 1 בפבר׳ 2019, 13:09, מאת Mike Schwab < > > mike.a.sch...@gmail.com > > >> : > > >> I think they do a remote control of the HMC from another PC. > > >> > > >> On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 4:11 AM ITschak Mugzach > > wrote: > > >>> I know, but there is a virtual appliance for rs6000. I need a hmc > > >>> to develop an agent for our stig compliance automation product > > >>> IronSphere, > > >> but > > >>> zpdt (our mainframe) doean't have or support this facility. > > >>> > > >>> ITschak > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> בתאריך יום ו׳, 1 בפבר׳ 2019, 12:01, מאת R.S. < > > >> r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl > > >>>> : > > >>>> W dniu 2019-01-31 o 17:02, ITschak Mugzach pisze: > > >>>>> I know power systems has one. Dies system z has such product? > > >>>> No. > > >>>> Both HMC and SE are physical machines. PC vel x64. > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> Radoslaw Skorupka > > >>>> Lodz, Poland > > >>>> > > >>>> > > > > > > > > == > > > > Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: > > > > - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), > > - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub > > zapisałeś na dysku). > > Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może > > wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia > > (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, > > narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. > > > > mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa, > > www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. > > Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS > 025237, NIP: > > 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na > > 01.01.2018 r. wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. > > > > If you are not the addressee of this message: > > > > - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), > > - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you > > have printed out or saved). > > This message may contain legally protected information, which may be > > used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who > > disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar > > action, violates the law and may be penalised. > > > > mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, > > 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District > Court > > for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the > > National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully > > paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169,248,488 as at 1 January 2018. > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to > lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [SPAM] Hmc for z as a virtual appliance?
On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 at 09:29, R.S. wrote: > > IMHO the topic is HMC for zPDT. Unfortunately zPDT does not have HMC in > any form, real or emulated. > It's not mainframe, it's only emulation. No, zPDT *is* a mainframe. It implements a permitted subset of the architecture documented in the Principles of Operation. The HMC is not described in the Principles of Operation. It replaces the knobs, lights, and switches that provided the operator interface on older systems. Some of the *functions* performed by the HMC are architected (and are implemented by zPDT without an HMC), but none of how it works or what the interface looks like. Here is the only description of anything like an HMC in the POO: "Operator Facilities The operator facilities provide the functions necessary for operator control of the machine. Associated with the operator facilities may be an operator-console device, which may also be used as an I/O device for communicating with the program. The main functions provided by the operator facilities include resetting, clearing, initial program loading, start, stop, alter, and display." And later: "The operator facilities may be implemented on different models in various technologies and configurations. On some models, more than one set of physical representations of some keys, controls, and indicators may be provided, such as on multiple local or remote operating stations, which may be effective concurrently. " All subsequent description of these functions refer to "keys", e.g. the load key, the start and stop keys, and so on, just as in the S/360 POO in 1964. To the OP's plans... I think doing penetration testing on a box with no available architectural doc at all, and extremely limited external doc, might be useful, but how will you even know if it's misbehaving if there are no specs? Sure, maybe you can force a buffer overrun or something in the web interface, take over the box (Linux?), and then what? I don't see that it has any close relation to IBM's mainframe OSs and their security issues. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [SPAM] Hmc for z as a virtual appliance?
No. The ussue ia clearly HMC. I just explained why we do not have one (zPDT) and why we need one (develpment of automatic STIG assussment of HMC). I don't need my own one. It can be other people hmc (and no need to be connected to a real mainframe. Autonatic Assessment of mainframes we already do.). So, where can i find an up-to-date HMC, hosted, my own or even of yours... ITschak בתאריך יום ו׳, 1 בפבר׳ 2019, 16:29, מאת R.S. : > IMHO the topic is HMC for zPDT. Unfortunately zPDT does not have HMC in > any form, real or emulated. > It's not mainframe, it's only emulation. > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz, Poland > > > > > > > W dniu 2019-02-01 o 13:10, ITschak Mugzach pisze: > > But you need an HMC to connect to... Ir install an agent. Bcpii is > limited, > > rest api is poßible, but still need an hmc > > > > בתאריך יום ו׳, 1 בפבר׳ 2019, 13:09, מאת Mike Schwab < > mike.a.sch...@gmail.com > >> : > >> I think they do a remote control of the HMC from another PC. > >> > >> On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 4:11 AM ITschak Mugzach > wrote: > >>> I know, but there is a virtual appliance for rs6000. I need a hmc to > >>> develop an agent for our stig compliance automation product IronSphere, > >> but > >>> zpdt (our mainframe) doean't have or support this facility. > >>> > >>> ITschak > >>> > >>> > >>> בתאריך יום ו׳, 1 בפבר׳ 2019, 12:01, מאת R.S. < > >> r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl > : > W dniu 2019-01-31 o 17:02, ITschak Mugzach pisze: > > I know power systems has one. Dies system z has such product? > No. > Both HMC and SE are physical machines. PC vel x64. > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz, Poland > > > > > == > > Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: > > - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), > - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub > zapisałeś na dysku). > Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może > wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia > (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, > narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. > > mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa, > www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy > XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: > 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na > 01.01.2018 r. wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. > > If you are not the addressee of this message: > > - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), > - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have > printed out or saved). > This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used > exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who > disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar > action, violates the law and may be penalised. > > mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 > Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the > Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court > Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital > amounting to PLN 169,248,488 as at 1 January 2018. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [SPAM] Hmc for z as a virtual appliance?
IMHO the topic is HMC for zPDT. Unfortunately zPDT does not have HMC in any form, real or emulated. It's not mainframe, it's only emulation. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 2019-02-01 o 13:10, ITschak Mugzach pisze: But you need an HMC to connect to... Ir install an agent. Bcpii is limited, rest api is poßible, but still need an hmc בתאריך יום ו׳, 1 בפבר׳ 2019, 13:09, מאת Mike Schwab : I think they do a remote control of the HMC from another PC. On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 4:11 AM ITschak Mugzach wrote: I know, but there is a virtual appliance for rs6000. I need a hmc to develop an agent for our stig compliance automation product IronSphere, but zpdt (our mainframe) doean't have or support this facility. ITschak בתאריך יום ו׳, 1 בפבר׳ 2019, 12:01, מאת R.S. < r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl : W dniu 2019-01-31 o 17:02, ITschak Mugzach pisze: I know power systems has one. Dies system z has such product? No. Both HMC and SE are physical machines. PC vel x64. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2018 r. wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169,248,488 as at 1 January 2018. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [SPAM] Hmc for z as a virtual appliance?
But you need an HMC to connect to... Ir install an agent. Bcpii is limited, rest api is poßible, but still need an hmc בתאריך יום ו׳, 1 בפבר׳ 2019, 13:09, מאת Mike Schwab : > I think they do a remote control of the HMC from another PC. > > On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 4:11 AM ITschak Mugzach wrote: > > > > I know, but there is a virtual appliance for rs6000. I need a hmc to > > develop an agent for our stig compliance automation product IronSphere, > but > > zpdt (our mainframe) doean't have or support this facility. > > > > ITschak > > > > > > בתאריך יום ו׳, 1 בפבר׳ 2019, 12:01, מאת R.S. < > r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl > > >: > > > > > W dniu 2019-01-31 o 17:02, ITschak Mugzach pisze: > > > > I know power systems has one. Dies system z has such product? > > > > > > No. > > > Both HMC and SE are physical machines. PC vel x64. > > > > > > -- > > > Radoslaw Skorupka > > > Lodz, Poland > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > == > > > > > > Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: > > > > > > - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), > > > - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub > > > zapisałeś na dysku). > > > Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może > > > wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia > > > (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, > > > narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. > > > > > > mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa, > > > www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. > Warszawy > > > XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, > NIP: > > > 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na > > > 01.01.2018 r. wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. > > > > > > If you are not the addressee of this message: > > > > > > - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), > > > - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you > have > > > printed out or saved). > > > This message may contain legally protected information, which may be > used > > > exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who > > > disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar > > > action, violates the law and may be penalised. > > > > > > mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, > 00-950 > > > Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for > the > > > Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court > > > Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share > capital > > > amounting to PLN 169,248,488 as at 1 January 2018. > > > > > > -- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA > Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [SPAM] Hmc for z as a virtual appliance?
I think they do a remote control of the HMC from another PC. On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 4:11 AM ITschak Mugzach wrote: > > I know, but there is a virtual appliance for rs6000. I need a hmc to > develop an agent for our stig compliance automation product IronSphere, but > zpdt (our mainframe) doean't have or support this facility. > > ITschak > > > בתאריך יום ו׳, 1 בפבר׳ 2019, 12:01, מאת R.S. >: > > > W dniu 2019-01-31 o 17:02, ITschak Mugzach pisze: > > > I know power systems has one. Dies system z has such product? > > > > No. > > Both HMC and SE are physical machines. PC vel x64. > > > > -- > > Radoslaw Skorupka > > Lodz, Poland > > > > > > > > > > == > > > > Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: > > > > - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), > > - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub > > zapisałeś na dysku). > > Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może > > wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia > > (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, > > narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. > > > > mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa, > > www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy > > XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: > > 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na > > 01.01.2018 r. wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. > > > > If you are not the addressee of this message: > > > > - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), > > - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have > > printed out or saved). > > This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used > > exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who > > disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar > > action, violates the law and may be penalised. > > > > mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 > > Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the > > Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court > > Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital > > amounting to PLN 169,248,488 as at 1 January 2018. > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [SPAM] Hmc for z as a virtual appliance?
I know, but there is a virtual appliance for rs6000. I need a hmc to develop an agent for our stig compliance automation product IronSphere, but zpdt (our mainframe) doean't have or support this facility. ITschak בתאריך יום ו׳, 1 בפבר׳ 2019, 12:01, מאת R.S. : > W dniu 2019-01-31 o 17:02, ITschak Mugzach pisze: > > I know power systems has one. Dies system z has such product? > > No. > Both HMC and SE are physical machines. PC vel x64. > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz, Poland > > > > > == > > Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: > > - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), > - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub > zapisałeś na dysku). > Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może > wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia > (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, > narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. > > mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa, > www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy > XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: > 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na > 01.01.2018 r. wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. > > If you are not the addressee of this message: > > - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), > - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have > printed out or saved). > This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used > exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who > disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar > action, violates the law and may be penalised. > > mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 > Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the > Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court > Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital > amounting to PLN 169,248,488 as at 1 January 2018. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [SPAM] Hmc for z as a virtual appliance?
W dniu 2019-01-31 o 17:02, ITschak Mugzach pisze: I know power systems has one. Dies system z has such product? No. Both HMC and SE are physical machines. PC vel x64. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2018 r. wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169,248,488 as at 1 January 2018. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
[SPAM] Hmc for z as a virtual appliance?
I know power systems has one. Dies system z has such product? ITschak -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
