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On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:12:14 +, David Stokes wrote:
Otoh, without Windows, who really would have been using the Internet
Pretty much everybody who is now. Without windows they'd
On 07/25/2012 06:07 PM, Tom Marchant wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:12:14 +, David Stokes wrote:
Otoh, without Windows, who really would have been using the Internet
Pretty much everybody who is now. Without windows they'd be running,
e.g., OS/2, MacOS, Linux.
I remember struggling to
Just as I had begun to feel some sympathy for David Stokes, he
managed to dissipate it at a stroke.
Just what does
begin extract
The question was not which exact organisation decides such things, but
rather whose particular political orientation will be asserting itself
in such decisions, and
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In another context Paul Krugman recently reminded us that conspiracy theories
are dispensable, likely to be misleading, in the many
On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:38:14 +, Bill Fairchild wrote:
Perhaps Occam was the most devious conspirator ever.
Hmmm - personally Hanlon's razor has always had (more) appeal.
Shane ...
(fortunately my tussles with the site seemed to have spared me most of this
thread)
Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet?
Just as I had begun to feel some sympathy for David Stokes, he
managed to dissipate it at a stroke.
Just what does
begin extract
The question was not which exact organisation decides such things, but
rather whose particular political orientation
John Gilmore
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. Juli 2012 19:58
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I also grow weary of complaints about my notionally 'exotic'
vocabulary. This term once had a precise meaning. (Signage annoucing
efforts at 'exotic
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I also grow weary of complaints about my notionally 'exotic'
vocabulary. This term once had a precise
In
E36DC330434FBA4ABA45590D5370A88B076C4CA6@INTERCHIP-SBS.interchip.local,
on 07/26/2012
at 09:47 AM, David Stokes sto...@interchip.de said:
Yes, well, I'm sure Wrong! and Lol! and are you a troll (not to
mention look farther and are you (a) bankrobber)
Sigh! Humor is such a subjective
In
CAE1XxDGmMk8nKK=xkjinenh0qjhxaytmb_wvxi2w4vus+an...@mail.gmail.com,
on 07/26/2012
at 01:58 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said:
I also grow weary of complaints about my notionally 'exotic'
vocabulary. This term once had a precise meaning. (Signage
annoucing efforts at 'exotic plant
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Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Juli 2012 23:10
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sto...@interchip.de (David Stokes) writes:
The virus vulnerability (and number
In
E36DC330434FBA4ABA45590D5370A88B076C4765@INTERCHIP-SBS.interchip.local,
on 07/24/2012
at 12:19 PM, David Stokes sto...@interchip.de said:
Yeah, right. Much better to restrict it to government and
corporations who never abuse things.
That's your proposal, not mine, TYVM. What would have
In 500ec8bf.5020...@acm.org, on 07/24/2012
at 11:09 AM, Joel C. Ewing jcew...@acm.org said:
That certainly would have been nice, but I'm not convinced anyone
at the time understood the potential scope of those problems,
They understood enough to warn against it, whether or not they
In
cae1xxdher2jjpx0cyzr+ku8g-6afdj7n4q13ww7g+jbe-hx...@mail.gmail.com,
on 07/24/2012
at 04:09 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said:
The scientific community made early and significant use of the
DARPA predecessor of today's Internet, and almost none of the
problems that afflict us today
.
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Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
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In
E36DC330434FBA4ABA45590D5370A88B076C4863@INTERCHIP-SBS.interchip.local,
on 07/24/2012
at 08:00 PM, David Stokes sto...@interchip.de said
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snip
Otoh, without
john.mck...@healthmarkets.com (McKown, John) writes:
What, no mention of CP/M-86? I don't think that MP/M ever had a x86
version. I do remember running Pick on my XT clone. Now that was a
weird beastie. And you totally ignored things like the Amiga. I loved
what I saw of that software. I wish
with such
attempts.
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sto...@interchip.de
John,
I agree, there seems to be no sense of responsibility.
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
On Jul 24, 2012, at 4:09 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote:
The scientific community made early and significant use of the DARPA
predecessor of today's Internet, and almost none of the
now that my boss at the time
hadn't convinced me to go with an XT clone.
re:
http:/www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012j.html#98 Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented
the Internet?
other folklore trivia from silicon valley ... long ago and far away at
some silicon valley watering hole gathering of current
obvious, I would tend to say.
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/2012j.html#98 Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented
the Internet?
majority of the internal network was vm370 ... since MVS/JES2 nodes had
to be relegated to mostly boundary nodes ... JES2 was unable to define
the complete network and had unpleasant characteristic of discarding
traffic if the origin
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:12:14 +, David Stokes wrote:
Otoh, without Windows, who really would have been using the Internet
Pretty much everybody who is now. Without windows they'd be running,
e.g., OS/2, MacOS, Linux.
I remember struggling to get TCP/IP to work on OS/2 for our
P/390. So much
In
E36DC330434FBA4ABA45590D5370A88B076C4A24@INTERCHIP-SBS.interchip.local,
on 07/25/2012
at 12:25 PM, David Stokes sto...@interchip.de said:
No. Starting ten years lat(t)er is your concept, not mine
Well no, not mine. I wasn't responding to you here.
Well, you were responding to Joel C.
In
E36DC330434FBA4ABA45590D5370A88B076C49FF@INTERCHIP-SBS.interchip.local,
on 07/25/2012
at 12:21 PM, David Stokes sto...@interchip.de said:
One really has to ask however what exactly
In an anarchic fashion that opened us up to all sorts of network abuse.
actually means
It means not
In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea0115baa1...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom,
on 07/25/2012
at 08:02 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said:
What, no mention of CP/M-86?
It never had enough market share; DR-DOS would be more likely.
And you totally ignored things like the Amiga.
Did
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sbire...@rocketsoftware.com (Steve Bireley) writes:
About 10 years ago I was in a meeting with Vint Cerf and couple of
others executive from Worldcom. One of our sales guys made a joke
about Al Gore inventing the Internet
shmuel+...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes:
There's an error in that article and in the RSCS article; RSCS uses
connection-oriented protocols, not connectionless protocols.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012j.html#83 Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented
the Internet?
http
content on remote
machines or even initiate remote programs on other machines, and put the
integrity management burden on end users without providing any tools to
make management possible.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012j.html#83 Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented
the Internet?
http
IBM is a large corporation. Different factions have been captivated by
marketing pressures since the beginning. The RD side has always been more
forth coming. For a number of years IBM-Main was accessible via INFO-Access
under hardware. It was a mirror of BAMA.UA.EDU and for me was great way
/~lynn/2012j.html#73 Is it time to consider a stand-alone
PC for online banking?
past posts in this thread:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012j.html#83 Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented
the Internet?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012j.html#84 Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented
the Internet?
http
Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB187239639064304577539063008406518.html
WSJ mangles history to argue government didn't launch the Internet
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/07/wsj-mangles-history-to-argue-government-didnt-launch
you mean it wasn't Al Gore?
Mitch
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Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet?
ttp
_http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18928858_
(http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18928858)
In a message dated 7/23/2012 2:47:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
l...@garlic.com writes:
WSJ mangles history to argue government didn't launch the Internet
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you mean it wasn't Al Gore?
Mitch
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:57:16 -0400, Mitch wrote:
you mean it wasn't Al Gore?
No, he just eponymously supplied some of the algorithms.
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