Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex

2014-12-06 Thread J O Skip Robinson
- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark Brooks Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 11:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex Hi, Other than the issue of wanting the last system that goes down

Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex

2014-12-05 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Peter Ten Eyck wrote: What things are built in a Sysplex by the first LPAR brought up in the Sysplex that would impact subsequent LPARs brought up in the Sysplex? Some possible examples... WLM, GRS, SMS etc. They don't care much about sequence, but see J.O.Skip Robinson reply. As per that

Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex

2014-12-05 Thread Martin Packer
elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 05/12/2014 09:43 Subject:Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Peter Ten Eyck wrote: What things are built in a Sysplex by the first LPAR brought up

Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex

2014-12-05 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Martin Packer wrote: If you want to automate detecting how and when this happens - across your estate - the following blog post of mine (from May) might be of interest: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/blogs/MartinPacker/entry/once_upon_a_restart?lang=en Great Martin! That was a

Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex

2014-12-05 Thread Peter Ten Eyck
Thanks for the feedback. That Redbook I mentioned was able to answer most of my questions. We will be enforcing an IPL order for our Sysplex, in particular the first LPAR that is brought up. This will be done to ensure the structures built in the coupling facility will always be built by a

Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex

2014-12-05 Thread Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM
. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter Ten Eyck Sent: 05 December, 2014 15:08 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex Thanks for the feedback. That Redbook I mentioned was able to answer most

Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex

2014-12-05 Thread Jousma, David
, Grand Rapids, MI  49546 MD RSCB2H p 616.653.8429 f 616.653.2717 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter Ten Eyck Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 9:08 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: LPAR IPL order within

Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex

2014-12-05 Thread Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jousma, David Sent: 05 December, 2014 15:17 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex I guess I am missing something. Unless the CF's are being recycled, there are no structures to be (re)built. And even so, all lpars should be using

Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex

2014-12-05 Thread Peter Ten Eyck
Yes… my understanding from the documentation is that the CF structures once built will remain intact for the duration of CF LPAR run. Not sure about the “disposition of delete” comment… I would have look into that. These LPARs are not in a Parallel Sysplex. We have an existing Sysplex with two

Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex

2014-12-05 Thread Jousma, David
Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter Ten Eyck Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 10:12 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex Yes… my understanding from the documentation is that the CF structures once built will remain intact

Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex

2014-12-05 Thread Peter Ten Eyck
Sorry for the confusion... these LPARs are in a Parallel Sysplex (using CF), but not utilizing many of the Parallel Sysplex features. Reading through the documentation... I guess it might fall under the description of BronzePlex.

Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex

2014-12-05 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Peter Ten Eyck Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 10:10 AM Sorry for the confusion... these LPARs are in a Parallel Sysplex (using CF), but not utilizing many of the Parallel Sysplex features. Reading through the

Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex

2014-12-05 Thread Mark Brooks
Hi, Other than the issue of wanting the last system that goes down to be the first system IPLed into the sysplex (so as to avoid the operator I,J,R prompt), I'm not aware of any technical reason that would require a particular IPL order. In particular, I don't understand why there would

LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex

2014-12-04 Thread Peter Ten Eyck
What things are built in a Sysplex by the first LPAR brought up in the Sysplex that would impact subsequent LPARs brought up in the Sysplex? Some possible examples... WLM, GRS, SMS etc. I am asking this question to elevate the need to maintain/preserve LPAR IPL order in a Sysplex and identify

Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex

2014-12-04 Thread Peter Ten Eyck
This book has been suggested: SG24-2079-01 IBM z/OS Parallel Sysplex Operational Scenarios It has an excellent chapter (chapter 3) on IPL order. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex

2014-12-04 Thread J O Skip Robinson
-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Staller, Allan Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 9:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex Conceptually, all members of a sysplex are considered to be capable of any operation within the sysplex (yes I know this may