Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 17:57:20 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >Neither LCD nor LPWD is part of RFC 959. ... > Agreed. Generally the RFCs impose only weak requirements on client UIs, easily satisfied by both linemode and GUI clients. Stronger requirements on both client and server network interfaces. >In an ideal world the MVS-OE developers would have looked at what Eunix >programmers in the wild actually used and not just what was needed to get >certification, but that has not always been what they did. > Yes, remembering all the while that both MVS client and server antedate OMVS and their subsequent extension to HFS was an ad-hoc overlay. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
Neither LCD nor LPWD is part of RFC 959. In an ideal world the MVS-OE developers would have looked at what Eunix programmers in the wild actually used and not just what was needed to get certification, but that has not always been what they did. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Paul Gilmartin [000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 1:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 16:07:54 -0500, Kirk Wolf wrote: >... >WinSCP has unique problems: it starts one SFTP connection for directory >displays, and one or more for file transfers. This is a little silly >since you can do multiple things at a time on one connection. This means >that you can't change a /+ setting in the GUI and have it apply to file >transfers. > This is reminiscent of an oddity in MVS plain old linemode ftp. Like: cd /here ftp localhost LPWD /here LCD /there LPWD /there ! pwd /here ... apparently the MVS FTP client process does not issue a chdir(); as I'm accustomed to on other systems. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 16:07:54 -0500, Kirk Wolf wrote: >... >WinSCP has unique problems: it starts one SFTP connection for directory >displays, and one or more for file transfers. This is a little silly >since you can do multiple things at a time on one connection. This means >that you can't change a /+ setting in the GUI and have it apply to file >transfers. > This is reminiscent of an oddity in MVS plain old linemode ftp. Like: cd /here ftp localhost LPWD /here LCD /there LPWD /there ! pwd /here ... apparently the MVS FTP client process does not issue a chdir(); as I'm accustomed to on other systems. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
I just tried Bitvise and have deleted WinSCP and FileZilla - Thank you Kirk... Lionel B. Dyck < Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com "Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation merely what others think you are." - John Wooden -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Kirk Wolf Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 11:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 4:07 PM Kirk Wolf wrote: > > You *can* change settings interactively from most SFTP GUIs like > FileZilla > - > - change directories to the "/+" directory (you will see your current > settings) > - rename the ".newoption" pretend file in that directory to the > option that you want to set > > WinSCP has unique problems: it starts one SFTP connection for directory > displays, and one or more for file transfers. This is a little silly > since you can do multiple things at a time on one connection. This means > that you can't change a /+ setting in the GUI and have it apply to > file transfers. > > I don't use Windows much, but my favorite SFTP GUI is "BitVise", which > includes an SSH emulator and SFTP client. > > > Note: I just tried the latest version of FileZilla, and it also now starts a new SFTP connection for transfers, separate from the one used for the UI display.So changing settings interactively won't work there either. Try BitVise, which is better anyway IMO. Kirk Wolf -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 4:07 PM Kirk Wolf wrote: > > You *can* change settings interactively from most SFTP GUIs like FileZilla > - > - change directories to the "/+" directory (you will see your current > settings) > - rename the ".newoption" pretend file in that directory to the option > that you want to set > > WinSCP has unique problems: it starts one SFTP connection for directory > displays, and one or more for file transfers. This is a little silly > since you can do multiple things at a time on one connection. This means > that you can't change a /+ setting in the GUI and have it apply to file > transfers. > > I don't use Windows much, but my favorite SFTP GUI is "BitVise", which > includes an SSH emulator and SFTP client. > > > Note: I just tried the latest version of FileZilla, and it also now starts a new SFTP connection for transfers, separate from the one used for the UI display.So changing settings interactively won't work there either. Try BitVise, which is better anyway IMO. Kirk Wolf -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
If you want to work with datasets (as opposed to files in USS), Co:Z SFTP is a no-brainer. Believe me, it takes ages to OCOPY files from MVS to USS, especially if they're big files. Alternatively, do you really need SFTP? How about something like Luminex MDI SecureTransfer. Their products' core principle is to use tape emulation to convert the TCP traffic to FICON, so you don't have TCP-related overhead. But then once the data is on a Luminex back-end (needn't be their storage, could be any existing NAS etc.), you can then SFTP all you want without worrying about burning up CP time on the Z. - KB ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, July 23, 2020 3:00 AM, Roberto Halais wrote: > "Political issues" > > Already ran into that. > Thank you. > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 5:29 PM Seymour J Metz sme...@gmu.edu wrote: > > > Technically it's a no-brainer, but there may be political issues at some > > sites. > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU on behalf > > of Lionel B Dyck lbd...@gmail.com > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 4:54 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration > > Kirk's wisdom and the doc he references are OUTSTANDING. Co:Z SFTP is > > something you absolutely need if you want to use SFTP to access z/OS > > datasets. > > Be aware you will have to learn a few new tricks with the Co:Z SFTP server > > from the client side unless you are happy with only binary transfers. And > > neither FileZilla or WinSCP provide an escape value to issue the necessary > > commands to switch from binary to text. > > Lionel B. Dyck < > > Website: > > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1su7YLWql3q2JuCMbZqQtVaZfGTPi-2EGzr-2AmEck-H5XxLTMuTJSOnguJ4AyTa34QEsDvYmW9aIH8zJLvc6VBWRTRda-EGyb3EK1kVLyZ7nMqmPWOtogV2pNSILxVz_JRyM3ngUeaeYMXlJkfFPZKtpNKvd4gFKLDXG4jCu-YsTZwYJKp8ehdX_jsl1_oyRckWxK0L0o7EJpctlKbx1MxUQ4UQPAx9UIHOWdRP7ZbkHdL9LF49SOFCGliQYJ9EAYGho8yV53tgjUfSt-zC0rPxjj7ZRTKuF_6ldUvREMO2Koq368kW8WD-UMhlayr4Xrek9eMg1GwXLnXF9LpT16VMO6pJoiBzyL1uHHi6hZq97lQz5E_V3T93mvRqJEJXnnN9GMH5yYL9J-yZAcSkW5Fpkj3WGb1Uc57BB88Z44wlC_ToH2QaVUl8p5hy4ucDv/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lbdsoftware.com > > "Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what > > you are, reputation merely what others think you are." - John Wooden > > -Original Message----- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf > > Of Kirk Wolf > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:43 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration > > IBM z/OS OpenSSH is a base feature of z/OS since V2R2. > > When you install a new version of z/OS you will get a new version. > > There are often migration actions from IBM having to do with /etc/ssh > > configuration settings. When moving releases you would at minimum want to > > review any changes that you made from the IBM /samples and the new /samples > > and merge those as appropriate. > > BTW: Here's a quick start guide that we have on customizing IBM z/OS > > OpenSSH: > > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1kFuBUxMakNRAVJFVOewMH9LIIP2OTRg8SiVu_htNZD41RJZyNLVKsNTa6WEXeylcK5ZM1xGILiIhefULXta7xUZO9eRKq2GjKMg0pgAvGVH1qdk-StxkJSNB24ZHOnDublItI2dRxbaJ254YKnVJTU_VmE-PMaUftkzyJ6rWLuauYdSHsrPqQl-dwxGVdiMFNsSTRjVQgzNzjrgz3d4856xYoF81vYte0_nTV3vl-gpIjzpHXyYjcuRCdk5gZOGG7-PQZg0oTM2Z3vI1iJxE2KZi3kIz2fFx4sOqRzOT7_YszuYo-bWH9Iz3sdQ0n4DU9PaRRqNsWhr3jLFqVcxRx_fOsyfGGr8Am5A8IvVZh4mLtqr-J2XleXAq27Mo64WAJOPaU-33FfQqj9kBSZAwxoobYF5OZxeMLwIyHhw3MdvpKQKTsF1jztmSX6q1w8xU/https%3A%2F%2Fdovetail.com%2Fdocs%2Fpt-quick-inst%2Findex.html > > Kirk Wolf > > http://secure-web.cisco.com/1LetkAqmxb2mHTXoe2e35AwFZw4UYoiIeNOVgzH1Qms1MrKHD86XVzieGSUFJhCv8GbwqPhbow7NeP6IFvYjdUaYvXCjG1h6SrOBbM8Z0aY8BiznIGgTNB4MPWoeBlq9VHezSBTeajQgpsTv0DPS-EifgMxmQFHgIus0aNKsd5nTCtMZzPO8VXQvVZof7BN4s37wtsPa1FwHPZmQNrHC9UWaYP1qtW_icPDBb4QWZTKGEJSI8GAVlPMwcSsAIltqZQ1TmOecMdwTSTRMHrqTAnLc5aGT1gPLzOeLc0169dZ4oC3ssIozLNEJgKLuWvckDXYAFuLobcIX610AC0y6G-sC_6hLz315OjtuS0YSt7pnhtWMl3kxjYJlrYXapj4I9tcRYY4itCI6S1y8ogZ1et3UM9LLlvN2MBLb1nqyn11lSJBiuel8cV-T1Yk2HrnH2/http%3A%2F%2Fdovetail.com > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 2:14 PM Roberto Halais roberto.hal...@gmail.com > > wrote: > > > > > Listers: > > > My company has decided to forego FTP and go the SFTP way. > > > I have installed OPENSSH and have SFTP working. > > > I installed using the IBM user's guide and everything installed in the > > > default libraries. > > > My concern is, when we migrate to a new z/OS release do I have to do > > > the whole install again? > > > Can I, from t
Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
"Political issues" Already ran into that. Thank you. On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 5:29 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > Technically it's a no-brainer, but there may be political issues at some > sites. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of Lionel B Dyck > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 4:54 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration > > Kirk's wisdom and the doc he references are OUTSTANDING. Co:Z SFTP is > something you absolutely need if you want to use SFTP to access z/OS > datasets. > > Be aware you will have to learn a few new tricks with the Co:Z SFTP server > from the client side unless you are happy with only binary transfers. And > neither FileZilla or WinSCP provide an escape value to issue the necessary > commands to switch from binary to text. > > > Lionel B. Dyck < > Website: > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1su7YLWql3q2JuCMbZqQtVaZfGTPi-2EGzr-2AmEck-H5XxLTMuTJSOnguJ4AyTa34QEsDvYmW9aIH8zJLvc6VBWRTRda-EGyb3EK1kVLyZ7nMqmPWOtogV2pNSILxVz_JRyM3ngUeaeYMXlJkfFPZKtpNKvd4gFKLDXG4jCu-YsTZwYJKp8ehdX_jsl1_oyRckWxK0L0o7EJpctlKbx1MxUQ4UQPAx9UIHOWdRP7ZbkHdL9LF49SOFCGliQYJ9EAYGho8yV53tgjUfSt-zC0rPxjj7ZRTKuF_6ldUvREMO2Koq368kW8WD-UMhlayr4Xrek9eMg1GwXLnXF9LpT16VMO6pJoiBzyL1uHHi6hZq97lQz5E_V3T93mvRqJEJXnnN9GMH5yYL9J-yZAcSkW5Fpkj3WGb1Uc57BB88Z44wlC_ToH2QaVUl8p5hy4ucDv/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lbdsoftware.com > > "Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what > you are, reputation merely what others think you are." - John Wooden > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Kirk Wolf > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:43 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration > > IBM z/OS OpenSSH is a base feature of z/OS since V2R2. > When you install a new version of z/OS you will get a new version. > There are often migration actions from IBM having to do with /etc/ssh > configuration settings. When moving releases you would at minimum want to > review any changes that you made from the IBM /samples and the new /samples > and merge those as appropriate. > > BTW: Here's a quick start guide that we have on customizing IBM z/OS > OpenSSH: > > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1kFuBUxMakNRAVJFVOewMH9LIIP2OTRg8SiVu_htNZD41RJZyNLVKsNTa6WEXeylcK5ZM1xGILiIhefULXta7xUZO9eRKq2GjKMg0pgAvGVH1qdk-StxkJSNB24ZHOnDublItI2dRxbaJ254YKnVJTU_VmE-PMaUftkzyJ6rWLuauYdSHsrPqQl-dwxGVdiMFNsSTRjVQgzNzjrgz3d4856xYoF81vYte0_nTV3vl-gpIjzpHXyYjcuRCdk5gZOGG7-PQZg0oTM2Z3vI1iJxE2KZi3kIz2fFx4sOqRzOT7_YszuYo-bWH9Iz3sdQ0n4DU9PaRRqNsWhr3jLFqVcxRx_fOsyfGGr8Am5A8IvVZh4mLtqr-J2XleXAq27Mo64WAJOPaU-33FfQqj9kBSZAwxoobYF5OZxeMLwIyHhw3MdvpKQKTsF1jztmSX6q1w8xU/https%3A%2F%2Fdovetail.com%2Fdocs%2Fpt-quick-inst%2Findex.html > > Kirk Wolf > > http://secure-web.cisco.com/1LetkAqmxb2mHTXoe2e35AwFZw4UYoiIeNOVgzH1Qms1MrKHD86XVzieGSUFJhCv8GbwqPhbow7NeP6IFvYjdUaYvXCjG1h6SrOBbM8Z0aY8BiznIGgTNB4MPWoeBlq9VHezSBTeajQgpsTv0DPS-EifgMxmQFHgIus0aNKsd5nTCtMZzPO8VXQvVZof7BN4s37wtsPa1FwHPZmQNrHC9UWaYP1qtW_icPDBb4QWZTKGEJSI8GAVlPMwcSsAIltqZQ1TmOecMdwTSTRMHrqTAnLc5aGT1gPLzOeLc0169dZ4oC3ssIozLNEJgKLuWvckDXYAFuLobcIX610AC0y6G-sC_6hLz315OjtuS0YSt7pnhtWMl3kxjYJlrYXapj4I9tcRYY4itCI6S1y8ogZ1et3UM9LLlvN2MBLb1nqyn11lSJBiuel8cV-T1Yk2HrnH2/http%3A%2F%2Fdovetail.com > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 2:14 PM Roberto Halais > wrote: > > > Listers: > > > > My company has decided to forego FTP and go the SFTP way. > > > > I have installed OPENSSH and have SFTP working. > > > > I installed using the IBM user's guide and everything installed in the > > default libraries. > > > > My concern is, when we migrate to a new z/OS release do I have to do > > the whole install again? > > > > Can I, from the beginning, install all the SSH libraries in a > > different filesystem so that when I migrate I can just mount the > > filesystem and execute. > > And later on install the new version Openssh. > > > > Don't know if I am clear in what I am asking. > > > > Just some tips on facilitating installing under a new release. > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >
Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
Thank you all. Got a lot of good information. On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 5:08 PM Kirk Wolf wrote: > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 3:54 PM Lionel B Dyck wrote: > > > > > Be aware you will have to learn a few new tricks with the Co:Z SFTP > server > > from the client side unless you are happy with only binary transfers. And > > neither FileZilla or WinSCP provide an escape value to issue the > necessary > > commands to switch from binary to text. > > > > > > > Thanks Lionel, > > If you use GUIs much, it is often convenient to set up file name pattern > specific settings in your $HOME/.ssh//etc/ssh/cozsftp_server_config file. > See: https://dovetail.com/docs/sftp/session-config.html > > For example: > > pattern: //*.JCL(*) > mode=text > > > You could also make "mode=text" the default for your userid in this file, > but then you would need to change it when doing binary. > > You *can* change settings interactively from most SFTP GUIs like FileZilla > - > - change directories to the "/+" directory (you will see your current > settings) > - rename the ".newoption" pretend file in that directory to the option > that you want to set > > WinSCP has unique problems: it starts one SFTP connection for directory > displays, and one or more for file transfers. This is a little silly > since you can do multiple things at a time on one connection. This means > that you can't change a /+ setting in the GUI and have it apply to file > transfers. > > I don't use Windows much, but my favorite SFTP GUI is "BitVise", which > includes an SSH emulator and SFTP client. > > Kirk Wolf > http://dovetail.com > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Politics: Poli (many) - tics (blood sucking parasites) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
Technically it's a no-brainer, but there may be political issues at some sites. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Lionel B Dyck Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 4:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration Kirk's wisdom and the doc he references are OUTSTANDING. Co:Z SFTP is something you absolutely need if you want to use SFTP to access z/OS datasets. Be aware you will have to learn a few new tricks with the Co:Z SFTP server from the client side unless you are happy with only binary transfers. And neither FileZilla or WinSCP provide an escape value to issue the necessary commands to switch from binary to text. Lionel B. Dyck < Website: https://secure-web.cisco.com/1su7YLWql3q2JuCMbZqQtVaZfGTPi-2EGzr-2AmEck-H5XxLTMuTJSOnguJ4AyTa34QEsDvYmW9aIH8zJLvc6VBWRTRda-EGyb3EK1kVLyZ7nMqmPWOtogV2pNSILxVz_JRyM3ngUeaeYMXlJkfFPZKtpNKvd4gFKLDXG4jCu-YsTZwYJKp8ehdX_jsl1_oyRckWxK0L0o7EJpctlKbx1MxUQ4UQPAx9UIHOWdRP7ZbkHdL9LF49SOFCGliQYJ9EAYGho8yV53tgjUfSt-zC0rPxjj7ZRTKuF_6ldUvREMO2Koq368kW8WD-UMhlayr4Xrek9eMg1GwXLnXF9LpT16VMO6pJoiBzyL1uHHi6hZq97lQz5E_V3T93mvRqJEJXnnN9GMH5yYL9J-yZAcSkW5Fpkj3WGb1Uc57BB88Z44wlC_ToH2QaVUl8p5hy4ucDv/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lbdsoftware.com "Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation merely what others think you are." - John Wooden -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Kirk Wolf Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration IBM z/OS OpenSSH is a base feature of z/OS since V2R2. When you install a new version of z/OS you will get a new version. There are often migration actions from IBM having to do with /etc/ssh configuration settings. When moving releases you would at minimum want to review any changes that you made from the IBM /samples and the new /samples and merge those as appropriate. BTW: Here's a quick start guide that we have on customizing IBM z/OS OpenSSH: https://secure-web.cisco.com/1kFuBUxMakNRAVJFVOewMH9LIIP2OTRg8SiVu_htNZD41RJZyNLVKsNTa6WEXeylcK5ZM1xGILiIhefULXta7xUZO9eRKq2GjKMg0pgAvGVH1qdk-StxkJSNB24ZHOnDublItI2dRxbaJ254YKnVJTU_VmE-PMaUftkzyJ6rWLuauYdSHsrPqQl-dwxGVdiMFNsSTRjVQgzNzjrgz3d4856xYoF81vYte0_nTV3vl-gpIjzpHXyYjcuRCdk5gZOGG7-PQZg0oTM2Z3vI1iJxE2KZi3kIz2fFx4sOqRzOT7_YszuYo-bWH9Iz3sdQ0n4DU9PaRRqNsWhr3jLFqVcxRx_fOsyfGGr8Am5A8IvVZh4mLtqr-J2XleXAq27Mo64WAJOPaU-33FfQqj9kBSZAwxoobYF5OZxeMLwIyHhw3MdvpKQKTsF1jztmSX6q1w8xU/https%3A%2F%2Fdovetail.com%2Fdocs%2Fpt-quick-inst%2Findex.html Kirk Wolf http://secure-web.cisco.com/1LetkAqmxb2mHTXoe2e35AwFZw4UYoiIeNOVgzH1Qms1MrKHD86XVzieGSUFJhCv8GbwqPhbow7NeP6IFvYjdUaYvXCjG1h6SrOBbM8Z0aY8BiznIGgTNB4MPWoeBlq9VHezSBTeajQgpsTv0DPS-EifgMxmQFHgIus0aNKsd5nTCtMZzPO8VXQvVZof7BN4s37wtsPa1FwHPZmQNrHC9UWaYP1qtW_icPDBb4QWZTKGEJSI8GAVlPMwcSsAIltqZQ1TmOecMdwTSTRMHrqTAnLc5aGT1gPLzOeLc0169dZ4oC3ssIozLNEJgKLuWvckDXYAFuLobcIX610AC0y6G-sC_6hLz315OjtuS0YSt7pnhtWMl3kxjYJlrYXapj4I9tcRYY4itCI6S1y8ogZ1et3UM9LLlvN2MBLb1nqyn11lSJBiuel8cV-T1Yk2HrnH2/http%3A%2F%2Fdovetail.com On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 2:14 PM Roberto Halais wrote: > Listers: > > My company has decided to forego FTP and go the SFTP way. > > I have installed OPENSSH and have SFTP working. > > I installed using the IBM user's guide and everything installed in the > default libraries. > > My concern is, when we migrate to a new z/OS release do I have to do > the whole install again? > > Can I, from the beginning, install all the SSH libraries in a > different filesystem so that when I migrate I can just mount the > filesystem and execute. > And later on install the new version Openssh. > > Don't know if I am clear in what I am asking. > > Just some tips on facilitating installing under a new release. > > Thank you. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 3:54 PM Lionel B Dyck wrote: > > Be aware you will have to learn a few new tricks with the Co:Z SFTP server > from the client side unless you are happy with only binary transfers. And > neither FileZilla or WinSCP provide an escape value to issue the necessary > commands to switch from binary to text. > > > Thanks Lionel, If you use GUIs much, it is often convenient to set up file name pattern specific settings in your $HOME/.ssh//etc/ssh/cozsftp_server_config file. See: https://dovetail.com/docs/sftp/session-config.html For example: pattern: //*.JCL(*) mode=text You could also make "mode=text" the default for your userid in this file, but then you would need to change it when doing binary. You *can* change settings interactively from most SFTP GUIs like FileZilla - - change directories to the "/+" directory (you will see your current settings) - rename the ".newoption" pretend file in that directory to the option that you want to set WinSCP has unique problems: it starts one SFTP connection for directory displays, and one or more for file transfers. This is a little silly since you can do multiple things at a time on one connection. This means that you can't change a /+ setting in the GUI and have it apply to file transfers. I don't use Windows much, but my favorite SFTP GUI is "BitVise", which includes an SSH emulator and SFTP client. Kirk Wolf http://dovetail.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
Kirk's wisdom and the doc he references are OUTSTANDING. Co:Z SFTP is something you absolutely need if you want to use SFTP to access z/OS datasets. Be aware you will have to learn a few new tricks with the Co:Z SFTP server from the client side unless you are happy with only binary transfers. And neither FileZilla or WinSCP provide an escape value to issue the necessary commands to switch from binary to text. Lionel B. Dyck < Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com "Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation merely what others think you are." - John Wooden -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Kirk Wolf Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration IBM z/OS OpenSSH is a base feature of z/OS since V2R2. When you install a new version of z/OS you will get a new version. There are often migration actions from IBM having to do with /etc/ssh configuration settings. When moving releases you would at minimum want to review any changes that you made from the IBM /samples and the new /samples and merge those as appropriate. BTW: Here's a quick start guide that we have on customizing IBM z/OS OpenSSH: https://dovetail.com/docs/pt-quick-inst/index.html Kirk Wolf http://dovetail.com On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 2:14 PM Roberto Halais wrote: > Listers: > > My company has decided to forego FTP and go the SFTP way. > > I have installed OPENSSH and have SFTP working. > > I installed using the IBM user's guide and everything installed in the > default libraries. > > My concern is, when we migrate to a new z/OS release do I have to do > the whole install again? > > Can I, from the beginning, install all the SSH libraries in a > different filesystem so that when I migrate I can just mount the > filesystem and execute. > And later on install the new version Openssh. > > Don't know if I am clear in what I am asking. > > Just some tips on facilitating installing under a new release. > > Thank you. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
IBM z/OS OpenSSH is a base feature of z/OS since V2R2. When you install a new version of z/OS you will get a new version. There are often migration actions from IBM having to do with /etc/ssh configuration settings. When moving releases you would at minimum want to review any changes that you made from the IBM /samples and the new /samples and merge those as appropriate. BTW: Here's a quick start guide that we have on customizing IBM z/OS OpenSSH: https://dovetail.com/docs/pt-quick-inst/index.html Kirk Wolf http://dovetail.com On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 2:14 PM Roberto Halais wrote: > Listers: > > My company has decided to forego FTP and go the SFTP way. > > I have installed OPENSSH and have SFTP working. > > I installed using the IBM user's guide and everything installed in the > default libraries. > > My concern is, when we migrate to a new z/OS release do I have to do > the whole install again? > > Can I, from the beginning, install all the SSH libraries in a different > filesystem so that when I migrate I can just mount the filesystem and > execute. > And later on install the new version Openssh. > > Don't know if I am clear in what I am asking. > > Just some tips on facilitating installing under a new release. > > Thank you. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
Might be a good idea to have a unique file mount for OPENSSH itself so could easily do a mount swap to test a new version of OPENSSH without any zOS implications. On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 1:30 PM Roberto Halais wrote: > Thank you, Allan. > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 3:25 PM Allan Staller > wrote: > > > OPENSSH is pretty tightly integrated into the /etc file system (separate > > from the root file system). I have not head of IBM any maint touching > /etc > > in a long time. > > > > As long as you don’t replace the /etc physical file , you should be fine. > > > > HTH, > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > > Of Roberto Halais > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 2:14 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: SFTP and z/OS Migration > > > > [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust > > the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing > > email, which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] > > > > Listers: > > > > My company has decided to forego FTP and go the SFTP way. > > > > I have installed OPENSSH and have SFTP working. > > > > I installed using the IBM user's guide and everything installed in the > > default libraries. > > > > My concern is, when we migrate to a new z/OS release do I have to do the > > whole install again? > > > > Can I, from the beginning, install all the SSH libraries in a different > > filesystem so that when I migrate I can just mount the filesystem and > > execute. > > And later on install the new version Openssh. > > > > Don't know if I am clear in what I am asking. > > > > Just some tips on facilitating installing under a new release. > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email > > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ::DISCLAIMER:: > > > > The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and > > intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not > > guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be > intercepted, > > corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may contain > > viruses in transmission. The e mail and its contents (with or without > > referred errors) shall therefore not attach any liability on the > originator > > or HCL or its affiliates. Views or opinions, if any, presented in this > > email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily reflect the > > views or opinions of HCL or its affiliates. Any form of reproduction, > > dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and / or > > publication of this message without the prior written consent of > authorized > > representative of HCL is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > > email in error please delete it and notify the sender immediately. Before > > opening any email and/or attachments, please check them for viruses and > > other defects. > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > -- > Politics: Poli (many) - tics (blood sucking parasites) > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
Thank you, Allan. On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 3:25 PM Allan Staller wrote: > OPENSSH is pretty tightly integrated into the /etc file system (separate > from the root file system). I have not head of IBM any maint touching /etc > in a long time. > > As long as you don’t replace the /etc physical file , you should be fine. > > HTH, > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Roberto Halais > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 2:14 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: SFTP and z/OS Migration > > [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust > the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing > email, which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] > > Listers: > > My company has decided to forego FTP and go the SFTP way. > > I have installed OPENSSH and have SFTP working. > > I installed using the IBM user's guide and everything installed in the > default libraries. > > My concern is, when we migrate to a new z/OS release do I have to do the > whole install again? > > Can I, from the beginning, install all the SSH libraries in a different > filesystem so that when I migrate I can just mount the filesystem and > execute. > And later on install the new version Openssh. > > Don't know if I am clear in what I am asking. > > Just some tips on facilitating installing under a new release. > > Thank you. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > ::DISCLAIMER:: > > The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and > intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not > guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, > corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may contain > viruses in transmission. The e mail and its contents (with or without > referred errors) shall therefore not attach any liability on the originator > or HCL or its affiliates. Views or opinions, if any, presented in this > email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily reflect the > views or opinions of HCL or its affiliates. Any form of reproduction, > dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and / or > publication of this message without the prior written consent of authorized > representative of HCL is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > email in error please delete it and notify the sender immediately. Before > opening any email and/or attachments, please check them for viruses and > other defects. > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Politics: Poli (many) - tics (blood sucking parasites) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
OPENSSH is pretty tightly integrated into the /etc file system (separate from the root file system). I have not head of IBM any maint touching /etc in a long time. As long as you don’t replace the /etc physical file , you should be fine. HTH, -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Roberto Halais Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 2:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: SFTP and z/OS Migration [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] Listers: My company has decided to forego FTP and go the SFTP way. I have installed OPENSSH and have SFTP working. I installed using the IBM user's guide and everything installed in the default libraries. My concern is, when we migrate to a new z/OS release do I have to do the whole install again? Can I, from the beginning, install all the SSH libraries in a different filesystem so that when I migrate I can just mount the filesystem and execute. And later on install the new version Openssh. Don't know if I am clear in what I am asking. Just some tips on facilitating installing under a new release. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ::DISCLAIMER:: The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may contain viruses in transmission. The e mail and its contents (with or without referred errors) shall therefore not attach any liability on the originator or HCL or its affiliates. Views or opinions, if any, presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of HCL or its affiliates. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and / or publication of this message without the prior written consent of authorized representative of HCL is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify the sender immediately. Before opening any email and/or attachments, please check them for viruses and other defects. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
As others of this list will chime in, please look at www.dovetail.com for their CoZ product line. There's the free, with no formal support, and the chargeable, with formal support. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Roberto Halais Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: SFTP and z/OS Migration [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] Listers: My company has decided to forego FTP and go the SFTP way. I have installed OPENSSH and have SFTP working. I installed using the IBM user's guide and everything installed in the default libraries. My concern is, when we migrate to a new z/OS release do I have to do the whole install again? Can I, from the beginning, install all the SSH libraries in a different filesystem so that when I migrate I can just mount the filesystem and execute. And later on install the new version Openssh. Don't know if I am clear in what I am asking. Just some tips on facilitating installing under a new release. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Confidentiality notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete this e-mail message from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
SFTP and z/OS Migration
Listers: My company has decided to forego FTP and go the SFTP way. I have installed OPENSSH and have SFTP working. I installed using the IBM user's guide and everything installed in the default libraries. My concern is, when we migrate to a new z/OS release do I have to do the whole install again? Can I, from the beginning, install all the SSH libraries in a different filesystem so that when I migrate I can just mount the filesystem and execute. And later on install the new version Openssh. Don't know if I am clear in what I am asking. Just some tips on facilitating installing under a new release. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
