CBT FILE019 - Command - 0C4

2017-09-22 Thread Mark Pace
I installed the CBT FILE019 - Command. There were no special instructions, except that program had to be APF authorized. So I did an assemble and link edit into a library that is APF authorized. I then did a F LLA,REFRESH. But when I run the program I get an 0C4. SYSTEM COMPLETION CODE=0C4

Re: STC - APF - confusion

2017-09-22 Thread scott Ford
Exactly Walt. As always, Thank you, Scott On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 8:51 AM Walt Farrell wrote: > On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 22:35:23 +, scott Ford wrote: > >We are using all functions, since we function as what is now being called > a > >central site

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

2017-09-22 Thread Tom Conley
On 9/22/2017 4:19 PM, Rob Schramm wrote: Possible is in the eye of the coder. Most everything "can" be done. Whether it is a good idea or not is another discussion ( i.e. Walt's comment ). I can break MVS integrity, security etc etc. Just look at www.krisecurity.com for examples found on how

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

2017-09-22 Thread Walt Farrell
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 20:53:10 +0100, David W Noon wrote: >It is up to the site's programmers to ensure that the load libraries in >use in a job step are mutually compatible. Unfortunately, the site's programmers are not in control of the libraries used in a

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

2017-09-22 Thread Walt Farrell
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 15:38:33 -0500, John McKown wrote: >Could someone tell me of some of the "real life" uses of this capability? >Why can't I just do a DYNALLOC on the libraries, OPEN them, then >LINKX/ATTACHX DCB= whatever it is I need? The only thing that I can

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

2017-09-22 Thread Jim Mulder
The issue is not foreground vs background. The issue is that MVS and its predecessors have never provided a service to change TCBJLB after a task has been attached, so there may be ways in which programs assume that such a change will not occur. We believe that it would be dangerous to

Re: HSM question

2017-09-22 Thread Steve Beaver
Do the del/def. populate it then issue a HMIG Sent from my iPhone Sorry for any grammar problems > On Sep 22, 2017, at 16:28, Lizette Koehler wrote: > > Is there a way for your to create a VSAM dataset with Data and Index component > and then migrate it to see what

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

2017-09-22 Thread David W Noon
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 13:14:52 -0500, Walt Farrell (walt.farr...@gmail.com) wrote about "Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?" (in <4974758334821366.wa.walt.farrellgmail@listserv.ua.edu>): > On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 10:40:59 -0500, Paul Gilmartin > wrote: > >> Dynamic STEPLIB

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

2017-09-22 Thread Rob Schramm
Possible is in the eye of the coder. Most everything "can" be done. Whether it is a good idea or not is another discussion ( i.e. Walt's comment ). I can break MVS integrity, security etc etc. Just look at www.krisecurity.com for examples found on how to break integrity. There are loads of

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

2017-09-22 Thread John McKown
On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Rob Schramm wrote: > Possible is in the eye of the coder. Most everything "can" be done. > Whether it is a good idea or not is another discussion ( i.e. Walt's > comment ). > > I can break MVS integrity, security etc etc. Just look at >

Re: CBT FILE019 - Command - 0C4

2017-09-22 Thread Mark Pace
My foot, my gun. Assembled and linked with the RENT option. Assembled and linked with NORENT and it works as it should. Thank you, Jim. On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 4:32 PM, Mark Pace wrote: > I installed the CBT FILE019 - Command. There were no special > instructions,

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

2017-09-22 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
Since I was a wee programmer trainee, I've wondered why such a fuss is made about TSO execution when almost anyone who can logon to TSO can concoct a random set of JCL cards and SUBMIT them. Including STEPLIB to any library the user has SAF access to. Why do we worry so much more about

Re: HSM question

2017-09-22 Thread Lizette Koehler
Is there a way for your to create a VSAM dataset with Data and Index component and then migrate it to see what it looks like? That might help answer your questions. Lizette > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

2017-09-22 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On 2017-09-22, at 15:26, Jim Mulder wrote: > The issue is not foreground vs background. The issue is that > MVS and its predecessors have never provided a service to change > TCBJLB after a task has been attached, so there may be ways in which > programs assume that such a change will not

Re: Wh@ should we do? In a word: "calk."

2017-09-22 Thread zMan
Somebody's off his meds. On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Mike Schwab wrote: > Religious blog with a some non-computer technical stuff. > > On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Adam Marshall Dobrin > wrote: > > http://bit.ly/2xWknYn > > > >

Re: MERGECAT QUESTION

2017-09-22 Thread Lizette Koehler
I guess one question not asked is how is the Master cat updated this way. I think a best practice is to have MCAT READ Access with only a few users who can update to add ALIASes and the like. If your MCAT is not READ, that may be a task you may wish to perform Lizette > -Original

Re: CBT FILE019 - Command - 0C4

2017-09-22 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
Specifically the AUTHCMD NAMES() list... . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: MERGECAT QUESTION

2017-09-22 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
MCAT should certainly be READ for all but a handful of system support folks. The actions required here require MCAT update in two respects: MERGECAT deletes source entries from MCAT, while DEF ALIAS requires yet another update. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

2017-09-22 Thread Rob Schramm
I am probably veering the topic.. or into oncoming traffic.. but.. why let that dissuade me? STEPLIB/JOBLIB is marked as being APF or not-APF when it is referenced (my understanding... I am sure there is a more accurate description ). I am assuming that to maintain integrity, the dynamic

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

2017-09-22 Thread Blaicher, Christopher Y.
I think you are a little off. A static concatenation cannot result in a mix of authorized and unauthorized libraries and the program running authorized. Contents supervisor, when it goes to load the first module from EXEC PGM= checks the JOBLIB or STEPLIB for all libraries to be authorized,

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

2017-09-22 Thread David W Noon
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 15:43:18 -0500, Walt Farrell (walt.farr...@gmail.com) wrote about "Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?" (in <1942473900671448.wa.walt.farrellgmail@listserv.ua.edu>): > On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 20:53:10 +0100, David W Noon > wrote: > >> It is up to

Re: Wh@ should we do? In a word: "calk."

2017-09-22 Thread Mike Schwab
Religious blog with a some non-computer technical stuff. On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Adam Marshall Dobrin wrote: > http://bit.ly/2xWknYn > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

2017-09-22 Thread Walt Farrell
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 16:43:43 -0400, Tom Conley wrote: >Dynamic STEPLIB is designed to run under TSO. It provides the ability >to satisfy CALL/LINK/ATTACH modules in ISPF for testing, multiple >releases, etc. Some ill-behaved ISPF apps don't use SELECT PGM, so they

Re: SEC System - Edgar

2017-09-22 Thread Edward Gould
> On Sep 21, 2017, at 6:05 AM, Rob Schramm wrote: > > https://sites.nationalacademies.org/cs/groups/cstbsite/documents/webpage/cstb_042463.pdf > indicates > that Lexis Nexis was the backend. But there was a plan for modernization > and to reduce a perceived monopoly by

Re: Extended format system ZFS files

2017-09-22 Thread Edward Gould
> On Sep 19, 2017, at 2:03 PM, Jousma, David wrote: > > If it were me, I'd use DFDSS to copy with rename the filesystems. If > applicable, IPL onto the new ones, before deleting the old ones. I use DFDSS > to clone filesystems as a regular part of maintenance. If they

Re: SEC System - Edgar

2017-09-22 Thread Mike Beer
Hi EDGAR was a fullscreen editor on VM/CMS - the predecessor to XEDIT. https://www-01.ibm.com/events/wwe/grp/grp019.nsf/vLookupPDFs/7%20-%20VM-45-J ahreHistory-EA-J-Elliott%20%5BKompatibilit%C3%A4tsmodus%5D/$file/7%20-%20VM- 45-JahreHistory-EA-J-Elliott%20%5BKompatibilit%C3%A4tsmodus%5D.pdf Best

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

2017-09-22 Thread Peter Relson
Jim Mulder is perfectly correct. We will never provide such a function. There are assumptions made within the system based on things it knows about how steplib and joblib are created. If the CBT tape program does not happen to meet all of those assumptions, I have no idea what will happen.

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

2017-09-22 Thread Edward Gould
> On Sep 22, 2017, at 4:01 PM, Walt Farrell wrote: > > On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 15:38:33 -0500, John McKown > wrote: > >> Could someone tell me of some of the "real life" uses of this capability? >> Why

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

2017-09-22 Thread Steve Smith
Jim Mulder mentioned the TSOLIB command (which I'd forgotten about, although I depend on it continuously), and it should come close to solving most of the issues so far discussed. As for REXX, it's extendable, if you're so inclined. I'm passionately ambivalent about REXX, so, not inclined

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

2017-09-22 Thread John McKown
On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Walt Farrell wrote: > On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 15:38:33 -0500, John McKown < > john.archie.mck...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >Could someone tell me of some of the "real life" uses of this capability? > >Why can't I just do a DYNALLOC on the

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

2017-09-22 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 18:39:57 -0500, John McKown wrote: >> >> (Note that if the module were a "normal" program rather than a TSO command >> he could use the CALL command, ... ) >> It would be useful if there were a variant of the CALL COMMAND: CALL DD:ddname(member) as well as CALL

Re: Keeping SSN init modules current

2017-09-22 Thread Rob Schramm
The SMP/E method helps keep it on your "radar". Each OS upgrade will force the issue... unless your shop is frozen like a few on this list. Rob On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 8:37 AM John McKown wrote: > On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 5:42 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson

Re: Keeping SSN init modules current

2017-09-22 Thread John McKown
On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 5:42 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote: > 'Override' libraries give me the willies. War story. Shortly after I > started here, VTAM would not come up one Sunday after a maintenance IPL. > Turned out that some modified VTAM module(s) had been placed

Re: Keeping SSN init modules current

2017-09-22 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 20:24:15 +, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote: >Here is an example of an SCLM module 'moved' from LPA to >link list by usermod ISPF003: Moving an SCLM module to SYS1.LINKLIB is one thing. I thought that the OP was talking about an ISV product. IMO, that would be quite another

Re: SEC System - Edgar

2017-09-22 Thread Norbert Friemel
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 13:14:59 +0200, Mike Beer wrote: >Hi >EDGAR was a fullscreen editor on VM/CMS - the predecessor to XEDIT. >https://www-01.ibm.com/events/wwe/grp/grp019.nsf/vLookupPDFs/7%20-%20VM-45-J >ahreHistory-EA-J-Elliott%20%5BKompatibilit%C3%A4tsmodus%5D/$file/7%20-%20VM-

Re: SEC System - Edgar

2017-09-22 Thread Rob Schramm
Lexis Nexis was the important part .. Lexis Nexis got famous by being the engine for legal documents.. all on z/OS. Later they branched out into LUW. What I got out of it was that they were doing a modernization and getting off of Lexis Nexis... aka Linux / Unix / Windows. Rob On Fri, Sep 22,

Re: LPAR to LPAR access

2017-09-22 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
Not on the remote system, if that is what you mean. The remote system connects via DDF to 'the one and only' DB2. Kees. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Frank Swarbrick > Sent: 21 September, 2017 20:35 > To:

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

2017-09-22 Thread Charles Mills
Right. I was not criticizing the CBT. My point was just that Tone is stating as though novel what has been obvious for forty (?) years. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Dyck, Lionel B. (TRA) Sent: Thursday,

Re: Keeping SSN init modules current

2017-09-22 Thread John Eells
John Eells wrote: For DIY, a ++MOVE usermod will get it on the books so you don't forget to update the module at system build time, but if the vendor ships JCLIN to change the module structure, SMP/E will, quite obligingly and without any fanfare, "put it back where it belongs" on your behalf,

MERGECAT QUESTION

2017-09-22 Thread esmie moo
Gentle Readers, We have about hundreds of user dsns which are cataloged in the MCAT because the alias for the users were not defined.My question is the sequence I should follow.   For example do I define the ALIAS and then perform the MERGECAT? or I perform the MERGECAT and then define the

Re: LPAR to LPAR access

2017-09-22 Thread Frank Swarbrick
I'm confused. If both the "one and only" DB2 (the database server) and the "remote" system are z/OS systems, then as far as I know "DB2 for z/OS" has to be set up on both systems. Are you saying this is not the case? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: MERGECAT QUESTION

2017-09-22 Thread Burrell, Todd
I usually do the MERGECAT first and then define the alias. I believe the ALIAS DEFINE will fail if there are entries in the MCAT that match it... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of esmie moo Sent: Friday, September

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

2017-09-22 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 10:25:34 -0400, John Eells wrote: > >> Is IBM under any obligation to announce changes to the z/OS internals which >> do >> not affect supported (GUPI) user interfaces? > > >I'm not sure this has ever come up exactly this way before, so here is >an overview of what I think we

Re: MERGECAT QUESTION

2017-09-22 Thread Neubert, Kevin
Documented here on about a page and a half in length: DFSMS Managing Catalogs (SC23-6853), Maintaining Catalogs, Changing the Size of Contents of a Catalog. Regards Kevin -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of esmie moo

Re: Keeping SSN init modules current

2017-09-22 Thread R.S.
In fact I don't understand the problem. What's so specific in SSN init module which cause a need for special treatment? I used to apply service or upgrade various subsystems (including STK software) and don't remeber anything special. Of course there ways and philosiphies of servicing software,

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

2017-09-22 Thread Walt Farrell
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 10:40:59 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >Dynamic STEPLIB has been discussed in these fora so often that I suspect >it's the subject of numerous RFEs. I suspect there are technical reasons >that IBM has not rushed to provide the function. Is the design of

HSM question

2017-09-22 Thread PINION, RICHARD W.
When a VSAM data set is migrated is the cluster, index, and data component displayed under ISPF 3.4 as migrated? Or is only the cluster name shown? FIRST TENNESSEE Confidentiality notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain legally privileged and/or confidential

Re: HSM question

2017-09-22 Thread Burrell, Todd
All three should show MIGRAT and all three will still show up as they are all in the catalog. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of PINION, RICHARD W. Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 1:06 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: MERGECAT QUESTION

2017-09-22 Thread esmie moo
Thanks Todd, I looked at a few examples (IBM REDBOOK) and they have DD1 statements.  Do I need to use them as well? On ‎Friday‎, ‎September‎ ‎22‎, ‎2017‎ ‎11‎:‎27‎:‎09‎ ‎AM, Burrell, Todd wrote: I usually do the MERGECAT first and then define the alias.  I

Re: MERGECAT QUESTION

2017-09-22 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
Here's a scrubbed-up version of the last MERGECAT I ran. DD CATVOL is in the JCL but not referenced in IDCAMS control statements. As for the order of MERGECAT and DEF ALIAS, I put them in that order. Can't say if that's required. Note: in the original incarnation of MERGECAT, you were not