Very nice. I once got a task to rewrite or migrate
some programs which originated in Poland; they were
full of polish variable names. This was very hard because
I had no idea what that variables meant ...
I remember KONIEC, which, IIRC, means end-of-file :-)
after a week or so, I understood at l
Am 24.01.2019 um 13:25 schrieb R.S.:
W dniu 2019-01-24 o 13:17, John McKown pisze:
This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and
z/Linux. Are there any others?
OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I
play.
It is "No Man's Sky",which is a s
what a strange typo ...
"- if it really would run on a current z Hardware"
of course
Am 24.01.2019 um 13:52 schrieb Bernd Oppolzer:
Am 24.01.2019 um 13:25 schrieb R.S.:
W dniu 2019-01-24 o 13:17, John McKown pisze:
This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/
Am 24.01.2019 um 18:01 schrieb R.S.:
W dniu 2019-01-24 o 14:44, Parwez Hamid pisze:
All depends whether you are asking about 'current' Z systems or the
older ones.
You can add the following:
KVM
Hitachi’s operating system, VOS
Well, IT DEPENDS.
KVM is Linux based hypervisor. Is it OS? Mayb
After some thinking it became clear to me what you have in mind :-)
BS is the German abbreviaton for operating system (BetriebsSystem).
Kind regards
Bernd
Am 25.01.2019 um 08:25 schrieb Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh:
I can't help but laugh at the names BS2000 and BS3000.
LMAO!
– Vignesh
Mainfram
Outside USA, the two-letter acronym BS would probably not trigger
automatically the same reflex. At least it took me some seconds yesterday
to understand why the other poster was laughing about the name of BS2000.
Funny: yesterday evening (after this mail dialog) I went to the cinema and
watched
Hello all,
some months ago, I wrote a program which allows to call webservices
(HTTP POST or HTTP GET)
from batch programs, written in C or PL/1. The program (subroutine) is
written in C
and uses the standard TCP/IP socket interface, available in the
classical z/OS environment.
I am doing all
protocol enabler in assembler. Coding is simple.
Works well. I only use it outside of cics. Btw, i tried it with other
protocols like syslog and it works just fine.
ITschak
בתאריך יום א׳, 10 במרץ 2019, 18:55, מאת Bernd Oppolzer <
bernd.oppol...@t-online.de>:
Hello all,
some months ago, I w
d
On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 7:40 PM Bernd Oppolzer
wrote:
Thank you all for your valuable answers.
I found this presentation in the meantime:
http://www.newera.com/INFO/11-2017_Web_Enablement_Toolkit.pdf
and this:
http://ibmsystemsmag.com/mainframe/administrator/systemsmanagement/client-web-enabl
Am 28.03.2019 um 19:01 schrieb Paul Gilmartin:
On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 10:18:23 -0700, Sri h Kolusu wrote:
Kolusu, I would like one little tweak, if you please - is it possible to
get the timestamp fresh on each record, instead of using the same timestamp
value for all of them?
Bill,
Unfortunatel
Did you read the part in the manual about the general registers being 8
bytes long
and containing an integer and and address part, one of them controlling
the "space"
and the other the address within the space? Sounds much like access
registers to me ...
but I didn't examine all the details.
S
Don't know if this is the right place to ask ...
after 25 years playing with other languages like PL/1, C and ASSEMBLER,
I have now to work with COBOL again. Took me some time to get started,
because my COBOL knowledge was at a, say, 1970s level :-)
Now I am in the 4th month of my assignment, an
1 schrieb Seymour J Metz:
I'm pretty sure that the issue is operator precedence.
(SMOD (IND1) = 'B' OR 'R') means (SMOD (IND1) = 'B' OR SMOD (IND1) = 'R')
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http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
____
me way as arithmetic operators
'*' (multiply) and '+' (add). Without parentheses the higher-precedence
operations are combined first.
HTH
Peter
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I hope you don't mind if I comment once again;
my original coding was:
IF TVOLL (IND1) NOT = HIGH-VALUE
AND SMOD (IND1) = 'B' OR 'R'
and as I learned now from your helpful posts,
this is expanded to
IF TVOLL (IND1) NOT = HIGH-VALUE
AND SMOD (IND1) = 'B' OR SMOD
This triggered me once more, sorry :-)
I recall that we once did a larger project, checking all the PL/1 sources
at a customer of mine, looking for errors in program logic, using a tool
that I wrote (sort of a light weight, yet powerful, PL/1 parser).
The parser threw errors (observations) on ab
Thank you very much for the link to that article; I did not know that
before.
When I started to work on the Stanford Pascal compiler in 2011, it had
about 20 to 30 labels and Gotos
(6000 lines of source code).
http://bernd-oppolzer.de/job9.htm
In the meantime, I omitted most of them, but thi
Hello Ze'ev,
maybe I can help you, please contact me offline.
Thanks, kind regards
Bernd
Am 20.06.2020 um 00:23 schrieb Ze'ev Atlas:
I admit that I am rusty and did not look at any dump for decades, and when I
did I was coding either Assembler or COBOL and I knew how to decipher the
thing.
This reminds me of a very old story (begin of 1990s).
I once had to write a translator for a report generator language (not
RPG, but similar),
which was in use on Polish ODRA computers (ICL clone). The target
language was COBOL.
After some weeks of work, I delivered the first version. The "cust
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slash will probably be ignored ... in the best case.
Kind regards
Bernd
Am 11.09.2020 um 08:47 schrieb Bernd Oppolzer:
IMO, you can also set the environment variables directly as follows:
//FTPXFER EXEC PGM=FTP,REGION=4292K,
// PARM=('POSIX(ON) ALL31(ON)',
// 'ENVAR("
I've done similar things for other languages (C, PL/1, ASSEMBLER), but
not for COBOL.
Some remarks:
- the desired name of the caller needs to be specified more precisely.
By examining the save area chain, it is possible to retrieve the entry
point of the calling procedure
(Reg 15 in the save a
This double meaning of =, together with the absence of reserved words
makes PL/1 parsing extremely hard. Consider for example
IF (1) = (2);
now what does that mean?
Given a declaration
DCL IF (25) BIN FIXED (31);
that is, if IF is an array of integers, the "IF" statement above is a
valid ass
and Pascal :-)
Pascal makes the same difference between := (assignment) and = (comparison)
So does C.
BTW: a free Pascal compiler for mainframe targets:
http://bernd-oppolzer.de/job9.htm
https://www.facebook.com/StanfordPascal
https://github.com/StanfordPascal/Pascal
unfortunately only AMODE 24 a
Am 16.07.2019 um 20:40 schrieb Seymour J Metz:
Pascal makes the same difference between := (assignment) and = (comparison)
Pascal is a castrated version of Algol 60,
Hmmm ... the only feature that Pascal lacks IMO is call-by-name,
but this is something not easy to understand (and explain) to t
very bad form to knowingly use a keyword as an
identifier.
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http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
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Am 16.07.2019 um 21:22 schrieb Seymour J Metz:
Furthermore: the more modern languages like Pascal, C and Java etc.
forbid the use of reserved symbols as variable names. This may be
restrictive, but makes the compilers much much simpler.
The cardinal sin in language design is to make the compiler
Am 16.07.2019 um 22:16 schrieb Paul Gilmartin:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2019 21:37:38 +0200, Bernd Oppolzer wrote:
Am 16.07.2019 um 21:22 schrieb Seymour J Metz:
Furthermore: the more modern languages like Pascal, C and Java etc.
forbid the use of reserved symbols as variable names. This may be
Am 17.07.2019 um 19:54 schrieb Paul Gilmartin:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 12:22:35 -0400, Steve Smith wrote:
The original sin was making "=" the assignment operator. I guess we can
blame that on FORTRAN, and it must make mathematicians cringe still.
I once (ca. 1967) needed to enlighten and disillu
Most "practical" uses of TIOT searches are for user programs
which try to check if there is a certain DD statement in the job step JCL,
used to control a certain program action.
For me, this is a sort of "third way" of parameter passing to programs,
besides normal JCL parameters and environment.
quot; statement in XL C/C++.
Peter
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Most "practical" uses of TIOT searches are for user programs which try
metz3
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It's even simpler:
I want to know, if the DDNAME is present in the Job Step JCL,
don't care for dyna
Using CSV, as suggested by others, is possible, but has many pitfalls.
I used another format called SLK or SYLK successfully in some projects,
which is much better
with respect to ExCel column types and allows for some limited layout
features.
Look here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SYmbolic
When Pascal is mentioned in this Mainframe related mailing list,
this triggers me, of course.
I am the current maintainer of the New Stanford Pascal compiler,
which runs on MVS, VM (and on Windows, OS/2, Linux, MacOS, BTW)
and on modern z/OS (and probably z/VM), too ... although limited to
AMODE
STIMER WAIT for a small amount of time;
I did this some years ago, when I wanted to show to some students how some
parallel running subtasks wrote their messages not sequentially, but mixed;
but, as it turned out, every subtask did its complete work in one step,
once started, because it never ret
The tricky bit here is:
the UUID consists of a timestamp part and a machine specific part,
and, with mainframes, this machine specific part must contain the CPU
serial number
and the LPAR number. Otherwise the UUIDs will not be unique accross
different LPARs
on the same machine.
To build UUID
This does not give you call relations, where programs are statically
linked.
And static analysis (related on source code) does not give you relations,
where the name of the callee comes from a table or is computed at run time.
That's what a former customer did (besides static analysis, which wa
Thank you all for this discussion;
I have learned something new :-)
Would you kindly look at this coding and tell me, if it is correct in
your opinion,
and if it is allowed to execute this by non-privileged programs?
What macro calls do I need to get the needed definitions (CVT, ASVT, ASCB)?
What is the preferred way to convert BookMgr books to PDF?
My customer has some home-written BookMgr books, which they cannot access
after the z/OS migration (BookMgr support was dropped with z/OS 2.4).
We managed to transfer the books to Windows (and OS/2, BTW), where we can
at least look at th
FWIW,
some years ago (maybe 2010), I replaced the breakpoint mechanism in a
home grown debug tool
written by my customer; the breakpoints were implemented by capturing
the S0C1 interrupts of hex zero
insertions into the load module instead of real opcodes. I now insert
TRAP2 instead of hex zer
Am 01.03.2023 um 19:51 schrieb Martin Trübner:
I know of one big z/OS installation that has a debugger in use that
uses TRAP (and the author is on IBM-main as well)
That's me ... but as I said in the other mail, I am not the author of
the debugger;
I am only the maintainer today, and I chang
not exactly "six" ... more like "tsix", the first letter sounds like a Z
in Germany,
a letter T followed by a letter S.
It comes to my mind that most other languages don't pronounce the letter
Z this way,
only we Germans do ... the other (like French and English) simply say S.
For example zebr
There is a (sort of) rule, that C before I and E is pronounced like T-S
(or S in France, I guess),
but before other vocals like K (as in coffee).
So for us in Germany, CICS as t-s-icks is logical.
Kind regards
Bernd
Am 17.03.2023 um 21:10 schrieb Bernd Oppolzer:
not exactly "six"
Very interesting discussion.
I recently tried to understand what the correct pronounciation of the
word "router" is,
because here in Germany there are different opinions. And I learned in
the end, that BOTH
ways are correct, like "rooter" and (don't know how to spell the other,
maybe) "row-ter
ate says: clearing, the German word is: Lichtung).
I didn't know about this homonym so far.
Thank you again.
Kind regards
Bernd
Am 18.03.2023 um 05:57 schrieb Tony Harminc:
On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 at 21:38, Bernd Oppolzer wrote:
Very interesting discussion.
I recently tried to understan
from the books directly.
Kind regards
Bernd
Am 28.02.2023 um 18:59 schrieb Bernd Oppolzer:
What is the preferred way to convert BookMgr books to PDF?
My customer has some home-written BookMgr books, which they cannot access
after the z/OS migration (BookMgr support was dropped with z/OS 2.4).
Sorry that I post to the original question;
that's because most of the answers so far missed the point.
Call by value means that a value is passed to the caller;
call by reference means that a reference (technically: an address) is
passed to the caller.
In ASSEMBLER:
CALL SUBPROG,(A,B,C),V
Sorry ... in some places: replace "caller" by "called prog" ...
Am 27.03.2023 um 08:49 schrieb Bernd Oppolzer:
Sorry that I post to the original question;
that's because most of the answers so far missed the point.
Call by value means that a value is passed to the
by value calls.
Kind regards
Bernd
Am 27.03.2023 um 08:52 schrieb Bernd Oppolzer:
Sorry ... in some places: replace "caller" by "called prog" ...
Am 27.03.2023 um 08:49 schrieb Bernd Oppolzer:
Sorry that I post to the original question;
that's because most of the a
glad that you don't have to deal with call by name.
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Sorry that I post to the original questio
double is at 8(r1). The
VALUEs of the doubles are passed,
not the addresses.
You cannot call this function using the ASSEMBLER CALL macro. No chance.
Kind regards
Bernd
Am 27.03.2023 um 13:10 schrieb Bernd Oppolzer:
Implementation enforces semantics in this case ...
The C implementation (on
tics. Again, what call by value is all about is that the caller's variable in
not altered, regardless of how the compiler enforces that. The whole shtick with R1
and DSA is not part of the semantics.
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What is important to me at least: a parameter passing mechanism where
addresses are passed
and the value on the caller's side cannot be altered (because it has
been co
parameter P ...
who knows? The definition doesn't tell it.
HTH, kind regards
Bernd
Am 27.03.2023 um 16:13 schrieb Bernd Oppolzer:
DCL X BIN FIXED (31);
CALL SUB ((X));
SUB: PROC (P);
DCL P BIN FIXED (31);
END SUB;
The statement CALL SUB ((X));
creates a dummy argument for X (that
With the clever use of GOTOs and the use of different variables with
strange names
for the same purpose, you can even turn a less than 1000 lines COBOL
program completely unreadable.
I see such programs almost every day.
The biggest obstacle for keeping large COBOL programs maintainable is
th
ap.
After that lesson, and me having graded it, code started to have
meaningful comments and better to understand variable names and logic.
I never pulled the second one on them because I felt the mission and
lesson had been accomplished.
I think more instructors should do things like this.
Am 30.03.2023 um 21:32 schrieb Paul Gilmartin:
What code does the compiler generate when a long scalar such as
_Decimal128 is
passed by value?
The C compiler - at least - puts the long scalar in the reg1 list where
it uses more than 4 bytes.
"call by value" in my understanding means, that val
Am 30.03.2023 um 21:32 schrieb Paul Gilmartin:
Does C use the CALL VL convention?
C has a portable solution for functions with a varying number of
parameters,
that is the mechanism defined in the ANSI header
Most interesting, these sort of functions - like printf() and scanf() -
need to hav
See answers below
Am 31.03.2023 um 01:23 schrieb Paul Gilmartin:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 23:39:30 +0200, Bernd Oppolzer wrote:
"call by value" in my understanding means, that values are passed, not
addressed.
With the mainframe (or z/OS and CMS) linkage convention, this means,
that valu
m 31.03.2023 um 01:42 schrieb Bernd Oppolzer:
See answers below
Am 31.03.2023 um 01:23 schrieb Paul Gilmartin:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 23:39:30 +0200, Bernd Oppolzer wrote:
"call by value" in my understanding means, that values are passed, not
addressed.
With the mainframe (or z/OS and CMS) li
o (with our help, of course).
Kind regards
Bernd
Am 31.03.2023 um 01:54 schrieb Bernd Oppolzer:
The function @PRINTF4 is also shown in the IBM example:
|/* this example demonstrates C/Assembler ILC */ /* part 3 of 3 (other
files
Am 31.03.2023 um 02:12 schrieb Frank Swarbrick:
Because of the linkage pragma that specifies "OS" I imagine that, although the C code is
defined as "pass by value", the OS linkage overrides it to be passed by reference. Just
a guess; I don't have a C compiler.
this is true ... see my other p
Does this mean that,
in the cases where the argument fits within the width of the parameter
list,
PL/X passes the actual value somehow? (which IMO means: the value goes
into the parameter list).
Or does it also in these cases only rely to the interface definition
(and calls by reference)?
Sor
Am 02.04.2023 um 16:29 schrieb Seymour J Metz:
Regardless of the implementation, call by reference is about more than
efficiency; sometimes a subroutine is required to alter one of its parameters,
and call by value doesn't allow that.
That's well known;
most C textbooks tell that call by valu
ters, too, which means: copy and call by reference, much the
same as dummy arguments
in PL/1 or - as I learned recently - CALL BY CONTENT in COBOL).
Kind regards
Bernd
Am 02.04.2023 um 16:41 schrieb Bernd Oppolzer:
Am 02.04.2023 um 16:29 schrieb Seymour J Metz:
Regardless of the implementatio
I will try to answer one of your questions, see below ... kind regards /
Bernd
Am 03.04.2023 um 01:32 schrieb Paul Gilmartin:
On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 22:37:53 +, Frank Swarbrick wrote:
I'm just going to put this out there... Dingus has an online test C compiler,
which outputs the generated
Am 03.04.2023 um 00:37 schrieb Frank Swarbrick:
Something to note, and it's not supported by C as far as I am aware, is neither of these are
"pass by content". Pass by content is "pass address of a copy of the field".
So a copy is done, as with fun2, but the parameter list pointed to by R1 is
Now I'll try an answer to the other question(s), see below ...
Am 03.04.2023 um 01:32 schrieb Paul Gilmartin:
Are the external semantics (not examining the generated assembly) of
"pass by content" any different from "pass by value"? How?
maybe not
It would seem more efficient for the call
Am 04.04.2023 um 23:37 schrieb Charles Mills:
I just had a similar problem: "how do you determine your entry R0 from C?" I
asked here and got no answer.
with native C, this is not possible IMO;
what I did: I wrote a (very small) ASSEMBLER routine which can be called
from everywhere and simpl
GLEITKOMMAREGISTER NULL
STD 2,8(R2) BIS SECHS
STD 4,16(R2)
STD 6,24(R2)
*
LM RE,RC,12(RD) REGISTER ZURUECKLADEN
XR RF,RF
BR RE
*
END CCREGS
Am 05.04.2023 um 03:43 schrieb Bernd Oppolzer:
Am
Thanks.
This (to me) seems related to the fact that PL/I still can produce
"classic" load modules,
while COBOL and C++ create program objects, which must reside in PDSEs.
With C++ (I guess), this is due to the fact that (writable) static data
can be initialized not only by
static initializers
Binder?
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IMO, the other languages (PL/I, C) also support building program objects
and very large
programs (> 16 MB), but COBOL with the newest compiler version REQUIRES
even small
programs to live in PDSEs (as program objects) and does not allow old
(classic) load modules.
I'm not sure about this, but
itional load module
in a PDS. I do it all the time.
Charles
On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 09:18:28 +0200, Bernd Oppolzer
wrote:
Thanks.
This (to me) seems related to the fact that PL/I still can produce
"classic" load modules,
while COBOL and C++ creat
Is this z/OS? I hope so ...
You say:
I need this for determining from where a high-usage subroutine is being called
unnecessarily in a large main program
(many called modules with multiple levels of CALL, but no recursion).
are these modules separate load modules which are dynamically called
a
I don't understand what's the implication of z/OS here;
we are using Smart/Restart, too, but IMO this is only application
programming,
no support from the OpSys needed.
Applications running with Smart/Restart write Checkpoints with every DB2
Commit,
that is, they record the keys involved with
Hello all,
I know that this is maybe not the right list for asking questions on the
VM/CMS system,
but forgive me ... I am registered to many lists, but no VM list, and
today I have a problem
which could be a simple problem, so I would like to try it here.
I am trying to build my Pascal compi
" REQUIRES 246K MORE STORAGE
Ready(00104);
???
Any suggestion is appreciated ...
Kind regards
Bernd
Am 11.07.2023 um 22:24 schrieb Bernd Oppolzer:
Hello all,
I know that this is maybe not the right list for asking questions on
the VM/CMS system,
but forgive me ... I am registered to many l
S R2,FREELOWE WILL MODULE FIT IN STORAGE ?
BP BADSIZE YES
I will have to examine this and try to find out what's wrong with this
in modern z/VM.
Sorry again, have a nice day.
Bernd
Am 11.07.2023 um 22:50 schrieb Bernd Oppolzer:
Update: the error only oc
If there is no explicit LE option to override the standard subpools
(which are 1 and 2, AFAIK),
then I would try to use the LE option which allows to have an alternate
heap handler
and use a modified version of the standard LE handler. I don't recall
the names of the runtime options,
but I used
f a modified version of the Standard LE heap
manager (with other subpools)
or: a modified version of CEL4MCHK with traces disabled
or ???
In any case, I personally would not change the behaviour of standard LE
in the first place.
HTH, kind regards
Bernd
Am 14.07.2023 um 01:55 schrieb Bernd Opp
In my customer's company, we had such a scheme for decades:
first letter X for external, S or L for division
next letter S or M or K ... for city (where the department is located)
then two digits department number (38, 91, 95, ...)
then three chars from the name (OPP in my case)
that made XS95OP
Thank you very much ... I have legacy code here which is from 1979 and
1982,
and the primary targets are VM/370 and MVS 3.8, but I'm very happy that
it runs
on current z/OS and current z/VM, too ... and it will sure run after
some minor corrections
also from "real" MODULEs and not only via LOAD
Not true. I'm currently working for 2 customers (insurance companies),
both use "high level" languages like COBOL and PL/1 (and C), but in both
companies
there is a need for ASSEMBLER coding now and then, be it enhancement to
compile supporting routines
retrieving sources from CA Librarian libra
+1
and I believe, I said virtually the same before, that makes 2 persons :-)
Am 03.09.2023 um 22:41 schrieb g...@gabegold.com:
That "one person's experience" was widely shared among the VM community --
hundreds of people collectively helping their installations benefit from what assembler
la
FWIW:
I have a computer science degree from the university of Stuttgart,
Germany (from 1977 to 1985).
We learned Pascal first, then different Assembler languages. During my
studies, I got interested in
compiler construction, and I am the maintainer of the New Stanford
Pascal compiler today, lo
So your JCL expertise qualifies you as a systems programmer ... that's
interesting.
Am 04.09.2023 um 17:57 schrieb Bill Johnson:
To claim people who don’t code assembler or read dumps aren’t systems
programmers is idiotic.
...
I learned zero JCL in college. I learned and became an expert at
I offer training classes,
Steve Thompson does.
If a company really wants ASSEMBLER training, they can find it here.
Am 04.09.2023 um 22:35 schrieb Bill Johnson:
I love how many of you downplay others who don’t do what you do. And act like
it’s inferior. Plus, puff yourselves up simply for pro
Hi Peter,
this reminds me of another story ...
some day my customer (a large insurance company here in Germany) asked
me to talk with their IBM rep,
because we had a severe problem with one of the DB2 components which I
discovered, and I was asked to
have IBM fix it or otherwise provide a solu
It will not work, because almost every single instruction has an error
or two.
Every programmer with a little bit ASSMBLER experience can see this;
this ChatGPT program has no grasp of instruction formats, DCBs or the
proper
use of I/O macros. I will not go into the details here ... the ASSEMBLE
06.09.2023 um 00:49 schrieb Bill Johnson:
Offering? To me it sounds like there’s no demand or there would actually be
classes available to select as we write. There’s really nothing scheduled and
likely won’t be. Because there’s no demand.
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I am not bashing it. I am simply telling you that it has a bunch of
errors and it will not work.
It's kind of interesting to me that, while I try to answer repectfully
to your mails,
almost every answer from you contains the word "idiot" or "idiotic",
which is the same in German, so I understa
I told you "I try to answer respectfully" ...
doesn't work always, especially if I am called an idiot in the very same
mail that I am answering to.
Kind regards
Bernd
Am 06.09.2023 um 01:53 schrieb Bill Johnson:
If you consider this respectful, there’s something wrong with you.
“So your JC
.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_Hallo-Welt-Programmen/Assembler#IBM-Mainframe-ASSEMBLER
Kind regards
Bernd
Am 06.09.2023 um 01:47 schrieb Bill Johnson:
I never presented it as a working model.
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On Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 7:36 PM, Bernd Oppolzer
(not specific). So my Hello World program would qualify, too.
It would be interesting to know how ChatGPT determines which sources are
more reliable than others ...
Kind regards
Bernd
Am 06.09.2023 um 03:19 schrieb Bernd Oppolzer:
FWIW:
ChatGPT could have used this ASSEMBLER program, which
Maybe the program disqualifies because of the German comments?
But: this should be no problem for ChatGPT ... translation to english ...
Kind regards
Bernd
Am 06.09.2023 um 03:31 schrieb Bernd Oppolzer:
What I meant to say:
it would have been better, if ChatGPT had used this (my) ASSEMBLER
s ... we'll see how
long it takes until my corrections are
verified by the Wikipedia people and online.
All in German ... sorry about that.
Kind regards
Bernd
Am 06.09.2023 um 03:35 schrieb Bernd Oppolzer:
Maybe the program disqualifies because of the German comments?
But: this shou
st May. Beautiful city and it
was fun trying to understand the language based on a high-school class.
On 9/5/2023 6:19 PM, Bernd Oppolzer wrote:
FWIW:
ChatGPT could have used this ASSEMBLER program, which I posted some
years ago
to German Wikpedia ... this does not do the addition of two
What you are quoting (1., 2., 3.) are facts ... of course true, and
nothing to dispute about.
But your conclusions are wrong ... Assembler is of value anyway; Ray
Mullins DID say that.
For example for studying the outcome of translators and for performance
analysis etc.
IMO knowledge of Assemble
Ok ... not quire correct, but:
the first ASSEMBLER languages go back to the years 1947 to 1951, if my
sources are right;
there was some sort of ASSEMBLER for the 701 (which was available in
1953, IIRC).
The first HLL was Fortran, IMO, which should be 1956 ca.
So there are some years in the 1950
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