Randall Gellens [mailto:ra...@qualcomm.com] writes:
At 10:06 AM +0700 8/30/10, Glen Zorn wrote:
Are there any smoke-free restaurants near the site, or even
anywhere
in Beijing?
Don't worry: the Disneyfication of the planet continues apace the
Chinese,
being good capitalists,
At 12:58 AM -0700 8/28/10, Fred Baker wrote:
Hiroshima, Barcelona, and Maastricht are equally secondary to me.
I take a commuter flight, I take a flight between hubs, and I do
something else (flight or train, and the train's a lot more
comfortable than flying), and I'm there. If I'm on three
You said:
For an IETF meeting, we don't really have either of these.
What? IETF 79 is hosted by Tsinghua University, CERNET and CNNIC. The
website is still work in progress, but I would be very surprised if
they won't iinclude additional hotel info etc, if they don't, well
then we can
On Aug 29, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
You said:
For an IETF meeting, we don't really have either of these.
What? IETF 79 is hosted by Tsinghua University, CERNET and CNNIC. The
website is still work in progress, but I would be very surprised if
they won't iinclude
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010, Yoav Nir wrote:
Hopefully. But only the two hotels listed there have agreements and
special rates for IETF attendants. In Maastricht there were a lot of
hotels with special rates, so a lot were listed.
Yeah, and people (as usual) complained that they could get much
Ole Jacobsen [mailto:o...@cisco.com] writes:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010, Yoav Nir wrote:
Hopefully. But only the two hotels listed there have agreements and
special rates for IETF attendants. In Maastricht there were a lot of
hotels with special rates, so a lot were listed.
Yeah,
On Aug 29, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Glen Zorn wrote:
Lonely Planet? Google? Ask someone who has been there? Wait a couple
of weeks and see what the host comes up with?
Again, that’s not the problem: in about an hour I was able to come up with
half a dozen 4*+ hotels as close or closer to the
Yoav Nir [mailto:y...@checkpoint.com] writes:
On Aug 29, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Glen Zorn wrote:
Lonely Planet? Google? Ask someone who has been there? Wait a couple
of weeks and see what the host comes up with?
Again, that's not the problem: in about an hour I was able to come up
with
On Aug 29, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Glen Zorn wrote:
Ole Jacobsen [mailto:o...@cisco.com]mailto:[mailto:o...@cisco.com] writes:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010, Yoav Nir wrote:
Hopefully. But only the two hotels listed there have agreements and
special rates for IETF attendants. In Maastricht there were a
Yoav Nir [mailto:y...@checkpoint.com] writes:
On Aug 29, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Glen Zorn wrote:
Ole Jacobsen [mailto:o...@cisco.com] writes:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010, Yoav Nir wrote:
Hopefully. But only the two hotels listed there have agreements and
special rates for IETF
On 29/08/2010 06:22, Yoav Nir wrote:
The warning to have your destination written down in Chinese,
because the taxi drivers don't speak English doesn't inspire confidence
either.
I've never been to Beijing myself but friends who have told me that this
worked perfect for them: the taxidriver
Yoav Nir wrote:
If this was some place in the US, I could easily find a cheap hotel
chain nearby (like I did in Anaheim). In Europe, it's a little more
difficult, but still doable (thanks, Google Earth). In China, I have
no idea where to even look.
There are usual plenty of web sites for
At 11:32 PM -0700 8/28/10, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
Food (outside of the major international hotels) is VERY cheap in
Beijing, as in less than $20 for a 5-course meal for 2 including
beer. Beer in a grocery store is about 25 US cents per bottle.
Are there any smoke-free restaurants near the
At 10:06 AM +0700 8/30/10, Glen Zorn wrote:
Are there any smoke-free restaurants near the site, or even anywhere
in Beijing?
Don't worry: the Disneyfication of the planet continues apace the Chinese,
being good capitalists, have also discovered the profit advantages in
controlling
!
Regards,
Jordi
From: Olaf Kolkman o...@nlnetlabs.nl
Reply-To: o...@nlnetlabs.nl
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:06:14 +0200
To: jordi.pa...@consulintel.es
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to Brussels-Nat-Aero,
Sat 07:09
On Aug 26, 2010, at 3:07 AM
OK Jordi, you fell victim to a marketing site.
I've got some news for you: Not every site on the Web has accurate information.
Let me explain how that works. Something new comes along (say, a new train
service) and marketing material (a web site) is generated. Some budget is set
aside. The
On 08/28/2010 03:27 EDT, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
Hi Olaf,
What I'm saying is that this has been done wrong, and probably the only way
to avoid it is to:
1) Not accepting a venue which is not directly connected (and CONFIRMED by
the secretariat) by an international airport, served by
The savings really depends upon the city. After Maastricht, I went to
Paris and the hotel for me there was 25 Euros a nite less than in
Maastricht and I would have also saved several hundred dollars in
airfare as well as alot of time in transit. So, while it is possible
that IETF may have to pay
Fred,
The fuss is all about the fact that the trains between Hiroshima or a
flight leg from Frankfurt to Prague, for example can't be compared to
the train experience to/from Maastricht in terms of convenience in
scheduling, ease in purchasing ticketss, quality of transport and
comfort (in my
: Maastricht to Brussels-Nat-Aero,
Sat 07:09
Fred,
The fuss is all about the fact that the trains between Hiroshima or a
flight leg from Frankfurt to Prague, for example can't be compared to
the train experience to/from Maastricht in terms of convenience in
scheduling, ease in purchasing ticketss
Scott Brim [mailto://scott.b...@gmail.com] writes:
On 08/28/2010 03:27 EDT, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
Hi Olaf,
What I'm saying is that this has been done wrong, and probably the
only way
to avoid it is to:
1) Not accepting a venue which is not directly connected (and
CONFIRMED by
To: IETF Discussion
Subject: Re: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to Brussels-Nat-
Aero, Sat 07:09
That's it !
Regards,
Jordi
From: Mary Barnes mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com
Reply-To: mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 15:11:47 -0500
To: Fred Baker f
On Aug 29, 2010, at 2:55 AM, Glen Zorn wrote:
What you save in transportation at the tail end can be totally destroyed
by hotel and dining costs, and the IETF has to pay more for meeting
facilities.
Speaking of which, I hope to be the first to note that paying $192 for a
room in Beijing
If this was some place in the US, I could easily find a cheap hotel chain
nearby (like I did in Anaheim). In Europe, it's a little more difficult,
but still doable (thanks, Google Earth). In China, I have no idea where to
even look. Sure, I can find a list of cheap hotels in Beijing, but I
On Aug 26, 2010, at 3:07 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
Hi,
I'm forwarding this message to the general IETF mailing list, because I
think we need a good discussion on this and the confirmation from the
secretariat/IAOC that this work will be done CORRECTLY NEXT TIME.
The fact is that
- Original Message -
From: Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com
To: jordi.pa...@consulintel.es
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to Brussels-Nat-Aero,Sat
07:09
On 8/26/10 6:01 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
Hi
Uijterwaal h...@ripe.net
Organization: RIPE NCC
Reply-To: h...@ripe.net
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 08:38:23 +0200
To: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: FW: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to
Brussels-Nat-Aero, Sat 07:09
Jordi,
Maastricht proved that the information provided by the train web
to
Brussels-Nat-Aero, Sat 07:09
Jordi,
Maastricht proved that the information provided by the train web sites was
totally FALSE.
This is something that the secretariat/IAOC SHOULD verify before accepting
a
venue.
The Dutch railway site (www.ns.nl) is quite accurate. It lists
From: Ole Jacobsen o...@cisco.com
Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen o...@cisco.com
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 01:04:35 -0700 (PDT)
To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ jordi.pa...@consulintel.es
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to Brussels-Nat-Aero,
Sat 07:09
Jordi,
I have
Hi Jordi,
In a previous discussion about this it was clear that was not the Dutch
railway, but the Belgium one ... However, it was recommended to use the fast
train from/to Brussels, as it was faster than to Amsterdam ... Clearly was
not the case.
It is a train starting in the Netherlands,
management and their confirmation that was not updated).
Regards,
Jordi
From: Henk Uijterwaal h...@ripe.net
Organization: RIPE NCC
Reply-To: h...@ripe.net
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:08:30 +0200
To: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to Brussels-Nat-Aero,
Sat 07
-To: h...@ripe.net
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:08:30 +0200
To: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to Brussels-Nat-Aero,
Sat 07:09
Hi Jordi,
In a previous discussion about this it was clear that was not the Dutch
railway, but the Belgium one ... However
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